So, you identified yourself as as what then to the medical staff? >> To his niece his niece cuz that's what he called me is black niece. He's like this my black adopted black niece. >> Okay, so you say that you're his niece and you have power of attorney. >> Mhm. >> Linda Polk was hired by 78-year-old Steven Zarnowitz to care for his wife. She was not his niece, but when Steven became seriously ill, investigators say the relationship took a disturbing turn. One involving power of attorney, his home, and thousands of dollars. >> With you see this document right here? >> Mhm. >> That you filed at the county clerk's office at the register of deeds. You filed this. >> Mhm. >> You said that's your signature. You said that this notary public was there, okay? All of that, right? >> No, not at the not at the >> Hold on a second. Let me let No, let me just explain to you. This person has to be there when all these people sign and they put the stamp, right? You altered the stamp. You didn't even You didn't even spell this correctly. >> How did I alter the stamp? >> This guy's commission has been expired since 2022. >> He has had the deed since the register of deeds flagged it. He waits to show it. >> This is their house. You're trying to steal their house. >> not what I said. >> You're trying to steal their house. >> But Steven wasn't giving you that house. >> This document right here that you claim that Steven was present for when he signed it, he wasn't. >> No, he wasn't. >> Okay, thank you. Okay, so just again, I know we covered this at the house, but I just want to make sure you understand you're completely not under arrest. You're not going to be placed under arrest. >> Mhm. >> Okay? No matter no matter what. >> Well, I'm going to tell you the truth, so I I >> Great. >> Nothing to hide. >> Perfect. Okay. >> Zarnowitz was 78. He had a stroke on October 17th and died 2 days later. >> Why do you How do you know that? >> Cuz he told me. >> He told you how much money he had? >> Yeah. >> Okay, how much was it? >> Uh it was something like 695 or 700,000 or something like that. >> Okay, and that goes to Jill? >> Yeah, right. And that will go to Jill. >> All right. >> Um He said to call Jim. Jim was supposed to take care of everything. The house was supposed to go to me. >> To you? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, when you own something, what do you need with to own something? Like if you own your car, what do you get with a owning a car? A title, right? >> Yeah, I get a title. >> Okay. So, when you own a house, do you do a deed? Do you do Like did he do any kind of like quick claim deeds or anything like that to you to give you the house? >> I believe that's what that paperwork was. >> A quick A quick claim deed? Do you know what that is? >> Not really, but >> Okay, so you're saying he did a quick claim deed to you for the house. >> So, I don't know I'm I'm agreeing cuz I don't know what what it is. >> Well, I don't want you to agree if you don't know. >> going to agree. So, what I'm saying is he does have some paperwork. >> Okay, but you recognize this as being the same piece of paperwork that you signed. >> One of them, yeah. >> Correct? >> Yeah. >> Right? Isn't that your signature? Right there? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, this is a document you signed that would give you possession of that house. Is that correct? >> Okay. All right. Okay, so that's So, he gave that to you on the 14th of October. >> I I guess. >> Do you want to read it? >> Well, yes. >> Yeah, okay. And who took this to the register of deeds? Was that you? >> Yes. >> Okay, so you took it to the Anthony Forlini's register of deeds office and turned this in? >> I don't know who Anthony is. >> He's the Macomb County register of deeds. He's the clerk's office. >> the register of deeds, yeah. >> Yeah, so you took this to the register of the deeds. >> Yes. >> On October 14th. >> No. >> No, okay, I'm sorry. Oh, November 1st. >> The deed is dated October 14th. He died on October 19th. She filed it on November 1st. >> Earlier, let me just point something out to you, since I don't pay attention to detail. Earlier, when I asked you about a notary public, you said a notary republic. >> Yeah, I always call them notary republic. [clears throat] >> know you do. You did right here, too, where it says notary republic. Cuz guess what? It's notary public. So, who signed Steve's name for him? >> I can help you out with that. Do you want me to help you? >> But you have already admitted to it. >> Hm? Yeah, that's you signed Steve's name right there. >> I already admitted to it. >> Okay. >> Rewind to the beginning of that same interview. 22 seconds in, she is already explaining what she was hired to be. >> I try to be as accurate as possible, right? So, um I just want to make sure I understand completely. So, you basically and and correct me at any point if I'm wrong here, okay? So, you basically you act as your own kind of like self-contractor, per se. >> Yeah. >> You get hired by Steven. >> Mhm. >> And you had you were not working for a service back then. >> No. >> Okay, so it was all >> I was working somewhere, but I wasn't working for, you know, like a home health care service >> Okay. Where were you working at that time? >> She cannot retrieve the name of her own agency and the word she reaches for instead sends the answer sideways. >> Um Uh What is it that It was called a It was a It was a travel agency. Uh Lord, what is the name of it? >> Where's it at? >> It's in um Southfield on 9 Mile and right off 8 Mile. Cuz I forgot to do this. >> That's okay. So, you were working there. >> Yeah. >> Now, how did you end up meeting Steven? >> Uh he came up to one of the facilities where I was working at cuz you kind of go from facility to facility. >> At a travel agency? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's what you do Okay, so let me explain it to you. >> What do you mean by Are you saying like travel agency like you book tickets for people for airline tickets or you saying >> No, travel nursing travel agency. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Forgive me. I am really I get confused. I'm really sorry. >> let me be clear. It's a nursing travel. So, what it does is like facilities like during COVID, they employ uh agencies to help get extra staff so that they can have staff. >> So, it's kind of like um a temp agency for nurses. >> Yeah. >> Sort of like that, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, if I'm a company if I'm like uh I don't know. Uh St. John's Health and I say, "Hey, I'm short nurses." Then I can call this agency >> Yeah. >> who you work for and then they might send me you or whoever else. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, he had come to one of your facilities you were working at. >> Mhm. He was Well, he was outside the facility. I guess he was soliciting, trying to see who he could get. >> Okay. >> And so uh it was actually me and a couple of people at the time. >> Okay. >> So >> Okay. So, you strike up a conversation with Steven. Obviously, he likes you. >> Mhm. >> So, he decides to hire you. >> Yeah. >> Jill Magalick had COVID-19 and did not get up again. Steven Zarnowitz hired private nursing and kept it running 3 years. >> Okay. >> And at that point you said there was a like a was a written out like invoice or contract or >> initial beginning there wasn't because we were at the facility. So, she Jill initially was at the facility. >> Okay. >> And so, I took care of her from in the facility until May of 20 May of 21. >> Okay. >> From from >> Okay, so while you were working at the agency at the facility >> Mhm. >> you you that's where you met Steven and Jill. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> But I met him outside. He was just a listing as we were coming in. >> Okay, so you were taking care of Jill there and this was after she had contracted COVID and right and she had some medical issues. >> Okay. Um so was she like what was her condition back then? Was she paralyzed or cuz I know that she's in a wheelchair, right? >> Yeah, she's in a wheelchair. >> Okay. >> She was in a wheelchair then. >> Okay. So, she's been in a wheelchair >> in a wheelchair since I got her. >> Okay. So, since the time she was in that facility till about May of 2021, you were you were caring for her. >> Yeah, somewhere between May and June. >> And then at that point you decide to get hired on by Steven full-time at their house. >> But yeah. 20 from May of 21 till July of 2024. >> Okay. What Why did they move out here? >> She wanted to move as all I said "Well, move closer to me." And she They were like, "Okay." >> So, you bought You said you bought that Rivergate house 2 years ago? >> Yeah, my husband did. >> Your husband did. >> Mhm. >> Okay, but you guys were together at that time. >> He bought the house first and then we got together in this house. >> you got together. Okay, so you weren't dating when he bought that house. >> No. >> He had He's owned it though. >> Mhm. >> How long has he owned that house for? >> Since 20 1. I I don't know the exact date. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> [clears throat] >> And I'm I'm sorry, I forgot. He does construction, right? What company does he work for? >> I work He work like for the union, like the UAW. Is that what it's called? >> Oh, okay. He's a union carpenter. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> Nothing has been asked about the death yet. The first thing the detective maps is where the money went. >> Uh I know one of them was Antoinette. I don't remember last names. >> Okay. >> Uh Antoinette Uh Ooh, it was it was a few of them. Steve had a couple of people. I don't I can't remember all their names. I just was the main one cuz I was the only nurse. >> Okay. >> So, he wanted me there every day. >> Okay. So, and you said originally the payments were $4,000 every 2 weeks. >> For me. >> For you. >> Right. >> So, that would be 8,000 a month. >> Right, but he would pay me the consistent amount and I would pay them. So, I would pay them through Zelle. So, he would pay me my amount. He would pay me what He said he only write one check, so that means I would get the check. >> Okay. So, tell me what that What does that check look like? >> Uh 68. I believe 68. It varied, so >> 6,800 >> Yeah, I get >> every 2 weeks? >> Yeah, but it kind of vary because it depended on if he wanted somebody to stay and he paid extra. So it never was like >> But how did he figure out how to how much to pay somebody extra? You said you guys didn't do hourly. >> say, "Would you want to like can you stay?" Like he might ask me or somebody else and he'd be like, "If you stay, I'll give you extra $100. I'll give you extra $200." You know, not every day, but periodically. Maybe like, "Can you stay today cuz I'm tired?" >> I mean Jill So Jill and Steven they're pretty well off? >> What you mean? >> Like they have a lot of money? >> No. >> No? >> No. >> Oh, they live in the >> Jill has no money. >> She has no money? >> No. >> Okay. Uh-huh. Well, okay. So how did they afford this house they're in? >> So Steve took the money out of his account that he had. >> Mhm. >> He took his savings and put it in there for the new house. When they sold the old house, they took the money from the old house and put it in the bank for Jill's care. >> Okay. She has an exact figure for what she was paid and an exact figure for what the couple was worth. >> So I guess Jill and her first husband had the house initially when you know, when they got married years ago. And their kids lived and grew up in there. Then um I get I guess they got divorced and then Steve and Jill moved in together. >> Okay. >> Um According to Steve, they've been together for 20 21 years as of this year. >> Okay. >> Um That's about uh I know she had the two sons. They When she first came home, they used to come, but then they just stopped after maybe like the first like the first maybe 6 7 months They stopped coming. >> When? >> In 20 After 2021, they didn't really come that much. >> Okay. >> Yeah, they didn't really come. >> Okay. >> Uh so, it was just Steve and Jill. >> Okay. >> Uh Steve still worked cuz he was a lawyer. So, he worked in at home and some days he may go out to the office. Um I don't know how they had their arrangement set up, them and whoever. I don't know. Um >> What do you mean arrangement? I don't >> Like who was supposed to get the house and stuff like that cuz that's what a lot of this is stemming from. >> Okay, but what Okay. >> I'm saying with between Steve and the boys. >> Oh, okay. Whatever. >> Yeah, so I don't know if they had any types of arrangements or nothing like that. >> Okay. >> Um but I know when Steve got this house over here. So, Jill said one day to Steve, "I want to move." She said cuz I have a lot of bad memories. And clearly her ex-husband was abusive to her. >> Okay. >> And she's like, "I want to move." So, he said, "Okay." He did paperwork. >> Okay. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess he did whatever he did. >> He asks who handled the sale. He is not interested in the house. He is interested in the word we. >> So, you weren't involved in the sale of that house or you didn't help them sell it or anything like that? >> No, I didn't I didn't sell the house. He Steve sold the house. >> But who who talked to the people to sell the house? Steve? >> Steve. >> Okay. >> Yeah, Steve Steve is was a learned oriented times 485. >> Yeah, I don't I'm just I don't know anybody. I'm just asking >> Yeah. >> you know, to try to kind of wrap my head around um you know, what we're dealing with here. >> I for somewhere between 480 and 5. >> Okay. >> So >> So a pretty nice house. >> Yeah. So my husband kind of updated the house for Steve. So that they could get it moved out. Cuz you know like >> pay him for that work? >> Yeah, Steve paid him for that work. >> know how much? >> No, I don't know. I didn't get involved in that. >> Okay. >> We kept our business separate. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> And so some stuff he didn't pay Steve. I mean Steve didn't pay him. He just did it because he liked him. >> Mhm. Okay. All right. And then um So they sell the house and you said that's Jill wanted to move cuz she had >> Jill wanted to move cuz she said she was having bad memories. She has a best friend named Mickey whom she's spoke with. >> Well, let me ask you this. When when did when did Jill's like uh cuz my understanding is that Jill has some cognitive issues. >> Mhm. >> When did that start? >> Jill she well, she Jill has periods of confusion like she'll mix the information up. >> Mhm. >> But if you have a general conversation with her, she knows everything she's talking about. >> Okay. >> So I wouldn't say that she had dementia or Well, she went to the doctor. I took her to the doctor. She didn't have dementia. >> Okay. >> Uh she did have what they call I gave a paper >> She is the nurse in that house and she has just told the detective that Steven's wife did not have dementia. So would Steve ever go with her to any of these? >> No. >> Okay. When did Steve Did Steve >> Well, no, that's not true. He went a couple of times. >> Okay. >> But >> Did he ever Did he drive? >> Yeah. >> Up until when? >> Up until June. >> June? >> Up until June cuz he had a fall and he hurt his leg. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So he stopped driving after that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Um Okay. So, do you know why he was falling? >> No. I I did take him to the hospital. They checked him out. They said he was fine. He just was a little weak. They gave him a walker. He used a walker sometimes. Sometimes he didn't. >> Okay. >> But, Steve liked to smoke. So, Steve smoked all day long. Like, I'm talking Well, he smoked Camel. So, he only would smoke maybe about that much. And throw the rest of it away. >> Where would he smoke at? >> Either in the front or the back. >> Oh, outside? >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Yeah, never inside. >> Okay. What did um So, he went to the hospital for a fall. Do you remember when that was? >> Uh well, he went a couple of times. >> June 2024, Steven Zarnowitz stops driving. Four months later, he is in intensive care, and she is signing for him. >> I can't remember the exact day. >> How did they move all their stuff? >> My husband and the boys moved them. >> Okay. And they got paid, I'm sure, for that. >> Nope. >> No? Okay. All right. So, um getting back to it. You So, you were saying you were getting paid Steve would write a check for you said about 6,800. >> Mhm. >> And then, he would write that check >> awaited >> Sure. He wrote that check to you. >> Mhm. >> And then, you would disburse it via Zelle. >> Zelle, Cash App. Yeah. >> Okay. So, Zelle or Cash App? >> Mhm. >> And then, you would That's how you would pay the other people that work there. >> Yeah. So, you didn't have a company, per se, that these people were employed by. >> No. >> Okay. Okay. I get it. All right. So So we're talking roughly 13,000 a month for 24/7 care. >> 12. I know it's about 12. >> About 12. >> About 12. >> But if it was 6,800, right? >> Yeah, but if That's why I said it vary because it just I mean it kind of depended >> But either way it was about 12. >> Yeah, that's why I said 12. >> Consistently since 2020 >> 2021. >> 2021. >> Except in those payments, I purchased Jill's stuff. Out of my money. >> She volunteers that she spent her own money on them. The detective does not challenge it. He asks how much. So are we talking like five or six hundred bucks a month kind of a deal? >> Sometimes more than that. Like I just went shopping for them and I bought Steve some clothes cuz he stopped wearing suit He wore suits all the time. And so he would only have like one pair of pants. I'm like, they kind of was We was like family. I would be like, "Steve, you got to put on You know, you got to So I would go out. I'd buy him like four or five jogging suits from uh Macy's or uh Burlington Marshalls. And Jill, same thing. I'd be like, "Oh >> And you And he wouldn't reimburse you for any of that stuff? >> I didn't I never asked to be reimbursed. >> asked him? >> No. >> Okay. >> No. >> Okay. >> I mean, cuz we kind of just treat like I came Like every morning I came I came >> But he wouldn't up his payments when you did stuff like that? >> No, because we had a relationship with each other. Like he was like he used to call me his black niece. >> Okay. >> He was like So Okay. I guess I Let me see. Okay, so initially when the kids when they initially came, they were everybody was fine with everything, I guess, until they wanted to put her in a nursing home. Whatever the conversations that took place, you know, whoever was working there and myself would leave so that they can have their own personal conversations. And so that will would you know So that way we weren't in their business. But Steve still would share with uh Jill's best friend which is Mickey, his lawyer which is Jim Fagin, and myself and other staff members you know what was being done to them. And so >> And what was that? What was being done to them? >> I guess the boys was trying to make him put Jill in a nursing home so they can sell the house and they wanted the money for the kids. They said that my dad promised to pay with this house for my kids' education. >> Okay. >> And I'm not the only person that knows this. Every >> So who else would know that? >> Mickey. >> Mickey? >> Yes. Mickey Shapiro. I think that's how you say her name. Shapiro or something like that. And Jim Fagin. >> Jim Fagin? >> Yeah. >> The nickname arrives inside an answer about money. 15 minutes from now it becomes her explanation for a hospital form. So they're well aware of this situation. >> And his So Steve worked at Dahlmann's is like a multi-billion dollar company, Dahlmann's properties in Ann Arbor. >> Okay. >> They They know about some of it. They know about it. They know enough about it. >> Cuz >> Yeah, they >> Steven would tell them? >> Mhm. >> Okay. So this Mickey and this Jim, Steven would tell them that this is going on and the boys want all this stuff. >> Yeah. >> They want They want this money. Okay. So what would like how did how did Steven feel about this? >> Well, he was like, "Oh, no, they can't do this to me." And then they don't know whatever, you know. I would tell them, "Calm down. It's just not that simple, you know. You are you know, Jill I mean, they would come and sometimes like they would come periodically like once every 8 months or something. >> So, at this time, Steve was basically taking care of Jill's stuff, right? >> He's always He has always taken care of her. >> But, like obviously, at the time this house thing's going on, they're dealing with Steven with regard to this, because Steven lives there, too, right? >> Yeah. >> So, >> they wanted him to move out, put Jill in nursing home, and sell the house, so the kids' college fund can be paid. >> And when did this take place? >> That took place That was last year when they had that conversation, maybe around this time. >> So, fall of 2023? >> Maybe fall of 2023. >> Okay. >> But, actually, just before Steve died, they were coming a day at came again, and he was like, "I just don't want to see him." Again, Mickey knows, cuz she's the best friend, so she He would talk to her, as well. >> Okay. >> And she said, she was like, I mean, not she. He was like, "I just don't want to see him. You know, I have a daughter that's special needs." You know, and then he So, he put certain things in place so that I could help them as far as like, if something happened to him, he was like, "This is what I need you to do. This is who you call." Jim Faison was the person to call. >> Every version has the same shape. Steven is under threat. The sons are the threat, and she is his help. >> Um I would talk to Mickey, anyway, because I would give her updates on Jill. And so, Mickey would Mickey would pop up and come over and see about Jill, and I It's always been me, and if if you >> So, how many times did Mickey come over since July? When they moved over here? >> She Mickey only came over once, because she had just got out the hospital. >> Okay. >> So, Mickey had a fall, a bad fall. >> Okay. >> And so, she was in the hospital, so she only got to come over, but she she lives in Florida. So, she moved to Florida, but I got her telephone number, though. >> Okay. All right. Um >> kind of all over the place because this is how this This is deeper than I don't know what they said. I really >> So, what So, what was your role then in helping Steven out with stuff? Like when you're saying you were helping him with the arrangements or he would tell you things like let's go through some of that. What would he >> Well, he told me where all of his paperwork was as far as the like power of attorney, what to do for power of attorney. He told me what to do for Jill. Uh like um if he was you know, like he gave me a list of uh papers that he and somebody else signed. I I don't know what to do with me. Like they signed it maybe like years ago. And he was like, "If something happens to me, these are the papers that you get because this is how Jill's going to get >> The number she gives him next is one she was never supposed to know. Here is what she does with it. >> Now, to the exact number, I can't remember. >> Okay. >> And so >> And when did he tell you this? >> Like periodically. You know, like Steve was a bragger. He kind of like be like, "Oh, you know, I That's how he talked." He'd be like, "Oh, you know, I I I got money, you know." That's how he talked. >> So, he had $700,000 to your knowledge? >> From what From what he said. >> Okay. So, what was this paperwork he was talking about? Take me through that. >> Uh just like the power of attorney paperwork. >> So, who's the power Who's listed as the power of attorney? >> Or Jill? >> Whoever. What How many power of attorneys are there? >> Okay. >> There were two. >> Okay. >> So, it was one for Steve initially when I guess when the boys started trying to threaten him to take take, you know, put him out and take the house and whatever. So, then he got power of attorney. >> Over Jill? >> Yeah. >> So it was Steve over Jill? >> Yes. >> So she signed over her power of attorney to Steve. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. >> Yes. >> Two powers of attorney. He makes her count them out loud, then works forward from the undisputed one. >> And they also got married in the process. >> When did that happen? >> I want to say they got married in March? March or No. >> March of 2024? >> 2024? >> Okay. How did they get married? >> Steve had a priest come over and marry him. >> Okay. >> Yeah. He was like >> At Farmington House? >> Uh-huh. >> Who was there when that happened? >> Uh Steve, [snorts] the priest, uh I was there, and Jill. >> What kind of priest? >> A Cath- No, he wasn't Catholic. He was a I think he was Jewish. >> Okay. But it was a priest? >> Yeah. Said he was. >> I mean Did they fill out a marriage license? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Huh. All right. Well, why would they get married after so long? >> Jill says you want to get married. That's when she still had her faculties. She was like, "Steve, when we going to get married?" You know, like they having normal conversations every day. Like, you know, today is today. She would ask him periodically, "Steve, when are we getting married?" >> So Steven and Jill get married in March of 2023. >> Yeah, I believe it was March. >> Okay. But you were there? >> Yeah. >> Okay. And who else was with you? >> The priest. >> So you, the priest, Jill, >> and Steve. >> and Steve. And that's it? >> Uh yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So no other family members were there? >> No. >> Okay. >> [snorts] >> Um all right. So >> The boys knew that she was married. >> A marriage of 21 years witnessed by four people. Three are the couple and the officiant. The fourth is the caregiver. >> married >> So, after March, so then the decision at some point is made to sell the house. Right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. But here, I'm sorry, don't let me get too far ahead. >> Yeah, cuz I'm I'm too far ahead. >> of attorney, the power of attorney. So, there's a power of attorney that Jill signs makes Steven her power of attorney. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. And then you brought up another power of attorney. I know we talked about it at the house. >> Right. That was the power of attorney for me cuz Steve had got sick and he was like, you know, somebody going to have to help take care of us. >> Okay. >> And I was like, okay. Initially, he asked me to do it in August. >> Mhm. >> And I was like, nah, it ain't going to happen to you, Steve, or whatever, whatever. >> Mhm. >> And he was like, you know, so I'm like, well, we'll talk about it a different time, which came up to the October day. >> Okay. >> And then he had a stroke actually that I want to say it was the same day he had the stroke. >> So, he's So, he's It's So, it's you, the witness, the two witnesses. You said, who was it again? >> So, Jill, Steven, and who else? Kendra? >> Yeah. >> And who was the other one again? >> Uh, I don't remember who else was there. I got to remember I can't I just can't remember. But, >> Okay, so those people are there and then this traveling notary that you you said. >> Right. Steve called the traveling Was this Yeah, Steve called the traveling notary. >> Okay. So, Steve calls the traveling notary. She comes there. So, present is you, Steve, Kendra, and then it's somebody else you don't remember. >> Hold that answer. Steve called the notary. She will contradict herself with the detective holding the page. >> Yeah. >> And the notary. >> Yeah, I don't cuz I'm trying to I'm thinking two different people, but I don't want to say nobody. >> So, Jill signs it, Steve signs it, notary signs it. >> Kendra signed it and I signed it. >> Okay, and whatever witness. >> And the yeah. >> Okay, where did you sign it at? >> What you mean? On the paper? >> Yeah. >> It was a It was a line to sign. >> There was a line for you to sign? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Okay. Okay, so there So, power of attorney gets granted to you. Is that correct? >> Okay. >> And that was to assist Steve while he was in the hospital. >> Okay. >> [snorts] >> So, that's how he ended up being in the hospital. >> the same day he go he get has a stroke and goes to the hospital. >> Within 2 hours he had a stroke. >> Okay. >> He was going in the front room. Uh we was helping him walk with the walker cuz he said his leg was hurting. >> Mhm. >> And then he went out. >> Okay. >> He actually He actually called it. >> So, he he goes to the hospital and take me through that. What happens there? >> At the hospital, uh the the nurse practitioner come out, she talked to me. Um I told her I had power of attorney. She asked me, "What do you want to do?" I called Jill. I said, "What you want to do?" She like, uh let him have a surgery cuz it was a I want to say it was a surgery. Yeah, it was a surgery. To maybe move some clots or something. I can't remember it. It all makes sense to me. Um however, they did whatever they was going to do. I stayed at the hospital all day with Steve waiting on them. Uh then when they finally came to get me, I went back to see him. >> Waiting on them, what do you mean? What is the >> The hospital. >> Okay. >> I was still at the hospital. I stayed there the whole time. >> And that was on That was the first day he went there? >> Yeah. >> You were there the whole time? >> Yeah. >> Okay. What was the nurse or whoever you talked to? >> I don't remember their name. >> [laughter] >> Oh, okay. >> I mean, THAT'S A LOT OF NAMES. >> WELL, I mean >> I gave >> You're a nurse yourself, right? >> Yeah, and I can't remember everybody's [clears throat] name, though. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. All right. >> She told the nurse practitioner she held power of attorney, and the surgery went ahead. Nobody asked her to produce it. >> I Yeah, I can't remember everybody's name. >> Okay. So >> cuz I've seen a lot of people >> saying to do a surgery, and and what? >> They They did a They did a surgery to try to >> So Sorry to cut you off. This power of attorney and and forgive me, cuz I'm very ignorant to medical stuff. >> That's okay. >> Um is this something you have to present the hospital when you go there? And like, do you have to like show them this power of attorney? Like, how do they know >> No, I didn't present anything. >> You didn't present anything at all? >> No, but I did talk to Jill on the phone. >> Right, but you said you told them you had power of attorney. >> Yeah. >> Okay. But you didn't have to show them anything? >> No, I didn't show them anything. >> Okay. All right. >> He has just established the whole mechanism in four questions. A verbal claim, no paperwork on file, and a decision that follows from it. >> You tell them this, and then you go through the whole >> No, I I didn't go through anything. I talked to Jill. >> Well, you went through something. You were there. You went through the whole thing with them, cuz who else did they >> What is whole thing of what? >> His care. >> Oh, that's what I'm saying. I talked with Jill. >> Mhm. >> She wanted him to have the surgery. >> Okay. >> So I let them know to go ahead and do the surgery to save him. >> Okay. >> That they did. >> Okay. >> And then from there it was just primarily a waiting game. So, just trying to you know see which way it was he appeared to be doing good though. >> Okay. Okay. >> Well, not good, but you know, he appeared to be stabilizing. I should say it that way. >> Okay. Like what do you mean by that? >> Uh he was responsive to me. Um >> Could he talk? >> my hand. No, he just kind of mumbled a little bit. >> Okay. >> Uh he could hold my hand. I don't remember the nurse's name, but she was in there. >> Okay. >> Um and she was like, "Oh, wow, you know, he responds to you. He's he doing what he wasn't doing and you called him, he responded, he grabbed your hand, he turned his head, he blinked when I asked him questions." >> Mhm. Okay. >> This is her account of a man who could still squeeze a hand. She is describing improvement and then leaving. >> All right. So, then what like what happens after that? How long was he in the hospital for? >> I want to say 3 days. >> Okay. >> I want to say 3 days before he died. Cuz we were we had left right after. >> So, the whole time was the hospital communicating then with you and then you would communicate with Jill or how did that work? >> hospital would communicate with me and I would communicate >> So, would they call you or were was it when you were there? >> No, they would call me. >> They called you. >> I left and went out of town. >> Okay. >> I think I was saying that when we were back at the house. I left and went out of town because that was the vacation that we were already >> You already had booked. Okay. >> Yeah, that's why we were there so early to try to take care of business with Steve and to you know, just try to sort out all our what we needed to sort out so we could leave. >> So, what were the dates you were in Thailand again? >> 19th through the 23rd or the 4th. >> Okay. >> Now, I don't know how that difference in the day or time >> Okay. >> from here to there. >> Sure. Okay. So, you only went for about 5 days. >> No, I wasn't even that long. Well, yeah, because the going and coming, those was the travel time. So, we was in we was in Thailand for like I know we were in Thailand for 2 days. >> 2 days. Okay. >> So, we was on the plane for 1 day and a half, two, something like that. And then we was there for 2 days and then we came back. >> Okay. And you came back cuz Steve had passed. >> Yeah. >> That's what you said. Okay. So, who was the hospital communicating with >> [clears throat] >> while Steve was in the hospital? >> She flew to Thailand on the 19th of October. Steven Zarnowitz died on the 19th of October. >> So, they would call you and you would answer on the on the plane? >> Well, >> on the >> When they did reach me, they said they had been trying to call me, but Steve was still in the hospital and he was going into cardiac arrest. >> Okay. >> And he was on the uh what they said they had him on. Just a lot of heavy sedative medications. Um >> And did they have him on like like were they assisting him like breathing? Were they Was it like life support? Was it like I don't know. Uh kind of ignorant again. >> No, he wasn't on life support, but he was intubated. >> Okay. >> He wasn't on life support, but he was intubated. >> Okay. So, maybe that's what I'm thinking of, right? Just the tube to help you breathe, kind of thing. That's intubated, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, that's intubated. And so, the doctor said that he he just told me basically that his legs was cold. He was about to go into cardiac arrest because of, you know, his body was his exact words metabolic acidosis. I can't remember I can't remember it all right at this moment, but that's for the gist of it. Then he called me back like 30 minutes later and told me that Steve had died. >> Okay. That is the claim the rest of this interview is built against not on life support only intubated. Remember it. >> My husband we stayed in Thailand that extra day and then we came cuz we wasn't able to get another flight back out until the day that we came back in you know came back in. >> So um Okay. So they're calling you on the phone kind of keeping you updated what's going on. >> No, they No, they just only called me twice. >> Okay. >> They only they called twice. They were like No, three times. They they called me as we was leaving to tell me that he you know was okay for now. >> On the 19th? >> I believe so, yeah. >> Okay. So on October 19th that's the day you guys were leaving and the hospital had called you and said that he was doing fine. >> Said that he was doing okay, yeah. >> He was doing okay. >> Yeah. >> And okay means he was intubated but we're we're responding. >> basically he was comfortable. >> And that's October 19th. >> Yes, I believe so. >> Okay. >> And so when we actually before we were before we left out >> on October 19th. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But we did we stopped by there to see him. You know, I stopped by us >> At the hospital? >> Uh-huh. I stopped at the hospital to see him. Um I basically just gave him a hug and a kiss. I was like I love you, you know, stuff like that. Um my husband, same thing cuz he had just shaved him the day before. And he was like, all right, you got to, you know, just to just have a normal conversation. Try to make it as normal as possible cuz that's what they tell you to do anyway, but you know, he was just like, oh, you know, got to hurry up and [clears throat] make it through this cuz I got to shave you again. >> Okay. And you're sure that was on the 19th and you came back the 23rd or 24th? >> Yeah, about the 23rd or the 24th. But I can look up Well, I don't have my phone, but I can look at the itinerary. >> She can describe the shave, the hug, the joke about coming back to shave him again. She cannot fix the date she flew home. >> Um okay. So, basically the three times, when was the third time that you talked to the hospital? >> When they called me back and told me 30 minutes later that Steve passed. >> 30 minutes later on what day? >> Uh um >> Was it like the day after he was in the hospital or 2 days after? Was it I mean, if you know dates >> It was like a It was like a day after >> you were gone, correct? >> Yeah, it was like a day >> So, you guys leave the 19th and then you said >> we left The day we left, we got on the plane. We was on the plane for 11 hours, 10 hours. And then we we got to Turkey. They called us and told us that um they have been trying to reach me and that Steve was going into cardiac arrest. He was still intubated. For now, they're keeping him comfortable, but he's not going to make it. >> Okay. And what did you say when you heard >> okay. She said, I said, call Make sure you keep me updated. I said, because we can't They didn't already send our luggage, so we're going to have to go, and then once we get there, we can rebook our flight and come back cuz we were in Turkey. >> Okay. >> Then he said, "Okay." That was the doctor. Then the doctor called back 30 minutes later, approximately. >> And you're on a layover in Turkey at this time. >> We on a layover in Turkey. >> Okay. >> Then he called me back to tell me that Steve had passed. I actually was crying, so I didn't finish the conversation. My husband said told the doctor that give me a minute, and I'll call him back once I got calmed down. >> Okay. So, at any point in time did you instruct the the doctors or nurses or anybody, did you instruct them to take Steve off of life support or >> No. >> intubate? >> They never asked about taking him off life support. >> That denial is the center of the case. A doctor would later testify that Polk made the decision. So, they never asked you like what should we do? >> he wasn't on life He wasn't on life support. >> Okay. >> He was only intubated. >> So, he died while intubated? >> Mhm. That I know of, I don't know. I mean, I don't He just called me back and told me that he actually passed away when I called when I did calm down a little bit, I called him >> doctor was that that called you? >> Uh What is this name? I don't know what his name is. >> You don't remember? Okay. >> Cuz I don't even remember the nurse's I only seen him >> So, you guys come back, you said you come back on the 23rd or 24th. >> Yeah, I think the 23rd or the 24th, so >> So, what happens with Steven between the time he dies and when you get back to town? Like what what was going on with that? >> So, I talked to Jill on the phone. I said, "Well, Jill, do you want him to stay at the hospital until I get back or do you want him to go ahead to the funeral home?" She said, "No, if you if you leave him there, he's going to rot." That was just her words. I said, "Well, no, he won't rot. He will be on ice." I said, "But if you want him to go to the nursing home, I mean I not the nursing home to the um funeral home, I'll have to call around to some different places to see who can pick him up so that he could be um What they call that? When they prepare the body? Uh embalm. >> And that's what Steve wanted? >> Huh? >> You said Steve gave you his arrangements and what he wanted to do with >> Oh, yeah, not like what funeral home and not like that. I was talking about I was talking to Jill. Jill was You know, Jill was saying that she wanted >> Steven Zarnowitz had a brother, a daughter, and two stepsons. His body was released on a phone call between two women. >> What was What was the phone number you were calling Jill on? >> Uh I think it was Paulette's phone because Paulette was there. Paulette was there with her while for 3 days. Some like 3 Yeah, I think 3 days. >> Okay. >> So, Paulette was she would talk to me and you know, she we talking. She You know, I'm consoling her. Um So, I told her I would call around to see what the funeral homes were around or close by who can pick him up. So, she kind of was like, "Okay, well, just let me know. We going We just got to figure it out. Hurry back home." So forth. Um Try to remember everything. >> So, um >> Okay, so then I can then we booked I finally got a flight that was coming back that we can get on and you know, come back home. >> Oh, so you were making all these calls from Thailand? >> Yeah. >> Oh, all right. >> Yeah. And in between time I was trying to keep up with Jill as well because she was very upset. >> you're saying Paulette was And what was Paulette's last name again? >> Uh Kincaid. >> And she was there the whole time? >> Yeah, she was there the whole time. >> Not Kendra. She is collecting names and dates, every one of which can be checked against a record she has not seen. >> But Paulette came to to stay for 3 days. You know, she was cuz she don't drive so she like, "Oh, this is far. I'll just stay the whole 3 days and then Kendra didn't have to come." >> Okay. >> So she just stayed the whole, you know, like overnight. >> Okay. >> 3 days. >> All right. >> And so I, you know, we I mean, we kind of like I talked, we prayed, we talked, we prayed. I talked to Jill like every time so And sometimes I couldn't call cuz the way the >> But you were talking to Jill via Paulette's phone, you're saying? >> Yeah. >> Okay, and you don't probably remember that number or you do? >> I don't have it. I don't I mean, I don't have it. >> No worries. Um okay. >> And so we so we talked to Paulette I mean, we talked to Jill. Uh we just kept we just kept calling Jill, checking on her, making sure she was okay and then I got sick. Then I don't know maybe cuz I was stressed, I don't know, but I got sick. So then I uh be when we got ready to get on the plane, I had chills, I had sweats, I was I was like, "Oh my god, I'm feeling sick." So of course we on our way home now. Um >> Oh, before you got on the plane coming back, you said you started >> Yeah, we was in Turkey. >> Okay. You never made it to Thailand? >> No, I'm saying coming back home. Cuz >> Oh, you laid over in Turkey again? >> Yeah. >> Oh, all right. I see what you're saying. >> The illness enters the account here. She will return to it every time the conversation reaches something she cannot date. >> Okay, so once you get back then what's what's our first course of business when we get back here? >> Uh when I came back I came to I came went to Jill's house. Uh >> [sighs] >> just kind of was talking to her, my husband was. Um I didn't really go in there too much. I just kind of tried to talk to her a little bit and wrote her a couple of notes. Cuz I couldn't really hear me, so it was pointless to talking. Um I was asking her via paper, you know, like what do you want me to do? She was like, I don't know. Let's just try and figure it out. I was like, do you got the help insurance? I mean, not help insurance, life insurance so we can call cuz they're coming to they've already embalmed him and we're trying to get the services together. And so I get like I was real squeaky as you can you couldn't really hear me, but you can hear me. >> Okay. >> Not like in person you can, but not over the phone. >> Sure. >> So I got a hold to Jim Faison because I remember when Steve actually when he was like coming to from when I brought him back he was like, Jim Faison, call Jim Faison, call Jim Faison. So I was like, dang, I don't have his number. >> Wait, who said that? I'm sorry. >> Steve. >> Steve. >> Steve. >> And this is when? >> This was This was when he came So he he coded, meaning he stopped breathing, pulse stopped. >> Yeah. >> I did CPR. >> Okay. >> I brought him back. He was like, uh I just you know, he just was kind of mumbling." >> Okay. Fazio and called Jim Fazio. So, I was like, "I don't even have his number." So, I did end up I searched him on the lawyers in Ann Arbor on the internet and I found his number. Um >> So, you called Jim Fazio? >> I called Jim Fazio. >> Okay. And what did you say? >> The body was already embalmed by the time she landed. That happened before anyone in Steven Zarnowitz's family had been told he was dead. >> And I told Jim Fazio and I said, "From here, I don't know what to do because this is not what I know to do." >> And when was that that you Do you remember what day it was that you called Jim Fazio? >> I called him quite a I called him probably about four days straight cuz he didn't he didn't respond cuz he said he was out of town or something. >> So, would that have been >> he called me back. >> So, you get back on the 23rd or 24th. So, you're saying you probably didn't talk to him till the end of the month almost. >> Mhm. Probably within Was it within a Let me see. Cuz he called me back. That's how he called me back. >> So, he calls you back after about three or four days cuz you couldn't get a hold of him. >> After about yeah, about three or four days. >> Okay. So, then what what's the conversation with Jim at that point? >> I basically told him what happened with Steve. I told him what Steve said. I told him the information that Steve gave me. >> And what was that? >> And that was the will and trust. That was the the notarized power of attorney. I sent that to him. I sent the trust I mean the copy of the trust and I sent the What else did I send him? I think that was it. >> She sent the attorney the will, the trust, and the power of attorney and calls it not knowing what to do. >> Okay. >> I think that I think that might have been it. We did conversate. I Then I was trying to call people but they couldn't hear me. So >> So what were you asking Jim Fagin for? What was he going to be able to do for you? I guess I don't >> said that was who was going to take care of him when he passed. >> Okay. >> Now that was I was before that day. I'm talking about previously prior to. >> Prior to. Okay. All right. >> Like he would be like if something happened to me make sure you call Jim. >> Okay. All right. So Jim Fagin is pretty much no help at this point is what you're saying. >> Yeah. I mean no help as far as helping me to get in it. >> Yeah. >> Well no, he was trying to locate people. >> Okay. And locate who? >> His brother. >> Okay. >> Steve brother. >> Okay. >> Because Steve have a brother. >> So we're talking October 28th it like 28th-ish. If you got back on the 23rd or 24th you're saying >> him before I got home. >> So you were calling him from Turkey or Thailand? >> Yeah. Yeah, I was calling from Turkey not not Thailand from Turkey. So I was looking him up and then when I you know, I was calling different people. >> Okay. >> Cuz I was trying to reach him. And cuz that's who Steve said was going to take care of him. He was like that's who's going to take that's his my long time friend. He's a lawyer and this is what this is what he was trying to >> Jim Fagin and you tell him what Steve wanted to do. >> I told him what Steve said. He was like >> And what did Steve say? >> That if something happened to him make sure I contact Jim Fagin because he's going to take care of it. >> Okay. But what did what did Steve say he wanted done? Besides you contacting Jim Fagin. I mean you must have had some kind of information. >> When you say done are you talking about like with his body? >> like with his body, with his money. Like does he want this person to get >> Well yeah, he said he wanted his daughter to >> 500 bucks and this person to get 250,000. >> daughter he wanted to see said he wanted his daughter to get 250,000. >> Okay. >> Uh he said the rest is going to go to jail. >> Mhm. >> And >> was that? >> I don't well, deduct the 250. I'm thinking if he only has six something to seven then whatever's left over. >> 250,000 to the daughter, the rest to Jill. None of it covers the house. Okay. >> Jump Asia has a recording with him on there. And he also I don't know what else he did. So Uh I'm also listed on the association. >> Mhm. >> I guess when Steve did all the paperwork, he put me down as the co-owner. Um when he called uh the insurance State Farm they called me and was like, "Well, Steve gave us your name This was a a maybe like by the June July. >> July? Okay. >> Yeah, and I was like, "No, I don't know I don't know nothing about it." I said, "But I'll you know, talk to him and we'll go over it." So, it's like either maybe not July, maybe August. >> Okay. >> But I never followed through with it like as far as talking to the person. >> At State Farm? >> At State Farm, yeah. >> Okay. >> But my name is definitely listed and for the association. >> For the association? >> Mhm. >> Okay, what is that? What does that mean? >> What What does what mean? The association? >> Yeah. >> That's the association for the condos. >> Okay. So, what is your name is listed on there as well? >> As the co-owner. >> Okay. What were you doing with the asso- Were you paying the association dues or >> No. I I didn't even know what the association people were. >> Okay. All right. So the house he wants to give you the >> so happened to call me. >> He co-owner on the condominium association, named to the insurer in July, 3 months before the stroke. >> He wants to give you the house, is what you said? >> Yes. >> Okay. Is that on any paperwork anywhere? >> Yes. >> What paperwork is that on? >> Uh well, it's it would be at the house. >> But what what is it? >> It's just a notarize for his daughter and for me and Jill. >> Like a will? >> Yeah. >> But what about like the I don't know what is it for a house? Title or um What is it called? The the owner of the house. Like is there a piece of paper that says you own the house? Like is there like You know what I mean? >> Uh Other than other than the will, no. I don't I don't know. I don't know what that would be. >> So there's a will or a trust. >> He got a will and a trust. >> Okay. >> But it's at the house. >> you're listed as the person who's getting the house? >> Yes. >> On a piece of paper? >> No, just Steve typed it He typed everything up. He was very meticulous. >> Okay. >> And then he also contacted Jim Fagan prior >> Okay. >> This is like I'm trying to make this all come together. >> Yeah, well, I'm just curious because if he gave you the house, did he give you the house before he passed? >> No, I didn't say he gave me the house. He said he wanted me to have the house right if something happened to him. >> Sure. That would be ownership of the house. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> He asks what a title is and she agrees to a term she cannot define. >> Okay. And that's it? >> No, it was a it was a notarized letter. >> Yeah, this is notarized right here. >> You said is this it? >> Yeah, this is the This is a copy Yeah, >> He hands her the deed and asks if she wants to read it. She says yes. 11 seconds pass in silence. She has confirmed she carried that document to the register of deeds herself. That office had already flagged it. I don't know. Do you can you tell what what do you remember what day you took it? >> If it's all here the 20 I mean the No, that ain't the 24. Was that No, I didn't know November the 24. >> No, there I I don't think there's November the 24th. That hasn't even happened yet. >> I know. That's Oh, no. I think that's the one right there. Is that a one? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. But, this is a copy of the same document. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So, he wanted you to give that and that's written down somewhere you said also. And what does that paperwork look like? >> I don't know. Like I can't I It's just typed. It's typed with his signature on it. >> Was it uh a separate will? Was it a separate trust? Was it a power of attorney paperwork? Like what any idea? >> No, the power of attorney was separate. >> Okay. So, this is a different document. >> Yeah, it's just a typed document with his signature on it and my signature. >> Okay. >> And that's it. >> So, like on this deed for instance, >> [sighs and gasps] >> um obviously it's notarized. So, this would have been Steven Kendra the notary was present for this >> Mhm. >> on the 14th of October? >> Yeah, it says 14. >> Okay. Whose whose signature is that? Do you know who that Who was there with you? Cuz I see Kendra. I see you. I see Steven. Any idea who that is? >> Isn't that Steve? >> I thought that. Who's this over here? This one here. Who's that? I thought that was Steve. >> Oh, no. It was only three people. >> Cannot identify a signature on a document she says she watched being signed in a room she was in. >> Remember who was there? So, it was you, >> No, it wasn't but three people there. >> So, Kendra, Steve, you, and this guy Steven who notarized this? This guy back down here, Steven McClain? Cuz it's notarized? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, those were the people present when this document was signed. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. And you don't remember Kendra's phone number? >> No. >> Okay. All right. >> Not by heart anyway. >> Okay. So, he gives you the house. So, do you tell Jim Faison that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. >> But Jim Faison has a recording with him when he you know, he called him and told him that. >> Steven called him and told him that. Okay. And when was that? When did he call? >> I don't know the exact date. I don't know that. >> Okay. >> Um that was just a conversation that we had then. >> Okay. Um Okay. So, what happens after that? So, let's get back to Steven's involved, right? And you're trying to figure out what to do with Steven at that time. You had [snorts] called Jim Faison, right? >> Yeah, I called Jim Fagin. >> He asks who she called and in what order. Her employer, her friend, her lawyer, and then his family. >> And who who do we talk to after that? >> And Dennis Dahlman. >> Dennis who? >> Dahlman. >> Who is that? >> That's the just Steve's job. >> Steve's job? >> Steve's job, yeah. >> Okay. Okay, so you talked to him and he says what? >> Oh no, I was just letting them know. >> That Steve died? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um did any conversation come up with him about any arrangements or anything like that? >> Yeah. I mean, he just wanted to know what they were. I said, "I don't know what they are yet." >> Okay. And then after that, who do you contact after that? >> Mickey. >> Mickey. Okay. Do you know when that was, approximately? >> Mhm. >> No, okay. >> No, but I did talk to him. I had um >> His daughter, well, not the daughter. I text the daughter and had her have her mother call me. >> Okay. >> Which her name is Kathleen. Catherine or Kathleen. >> Okay. So, you text the daughter when? >> I don't know. I just text him. It was like, "Go make Have somebody call me." They didn't She didn't respond right away, but I think it was the next day, whenever day whenever day she called me the next day or 2 days later. So, Steve >> Watch the phone in this account. It is broken. It is in her car, and it explains a week of silence. >> I got the number from the Dahlmans. So, Steve's phone, the old phone, he cracked it or something. So, when he my husband took him to go get a new phone. They couldn't transfer the old information to the new phone, but you couldn't get the old information off the old phone. >> Okay. >> If that makes sense. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, I had to like search for numbers and try to find people. >> Okay. >> If that makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Where's Steve's phone at? >> Where? It was in my car. >> It's in your car? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Is it still in your car? >> I don't think so, cuz they took all my stuff out the car. >> Oh, all right. Okay. So, you were trying to find people's numbers because Steve didn't have them in his new phone. >> No. >> Okay. So, >> He had nothing in the new phone. >> So, you ended up calling How did So, you called Kathleen? >> I think her name Kathleen or her cousin. >> How did you text the daughter? >> I text her when I got the number from the dial miss. >> Right. So, like what what did you talk about? >> What you mean what I talk about? I told her to ask her mother to call me. I don't know the exact wording, but I was like have your mother call me. >> And that was from your phone to to her phone? >> Yeah. I said have your mother call me. >> Okay. >> I don't know if I said if this is Linda. I I don't know if I said this is Linda or I don't know. >> right. >> But I said have it I know your dad or something like that. Can you please have him call me? >> Mhm. Okay. Okay. So, then who else >> And then >> Who else do you end up talking to? >> Hold that answer, too. She has just told a detective that she texted the daughter from her own phone. >> And what date is this that all these people found out Steve was deceased? >> Probably like the 20 3rd, 24th. Whenever I got back. >> When you got back. >> Yeah, whenever I got back. >> Did um >> [clears throat] >> So, there was a report of some kind of like transaction that I guess Jill was trying to do with Merrill Lynch or what was that about, do you know? >> Yeah, she was trying to pay the bills. >> Okay. So, tell me about that. >> What you mean tell you about it? >> Well, I wasn't there. >> Oh, I wasn't >> Clearly you know what I'm talking about. >> Yeah, I because you said Merrill Lynch. >> Okay. So, tell me about Merrill Lynch. Who called Merrill Lynch? >> She called Merrill Lynch. >> From whose phone? >> From my phone. >> Okay. So, you were there. >> Yeah, but I wasn't I tried to like when they doing business, I try not to be in the same room. >> You seem to be in some business though. >> I mean, I'm in some business, but I don't I don't be just standing >> giving you a house that's worth $430,000, I mean, you're in their business. You know what's going on. >> I mean, I know >> Power of attorney, right? You're >> Pretty much what's happening, but not a >> They they give you power of attorney, they gave you a house. I mean, you know, you're [clears throat] in their business. Right? >> Yeah, I guess if you look at it that way, yeah. >> So, what was the call like were you were present for the call to to Merrill Lynch, is that correct? Or no? >> No, I wasn't in the room. >> Okay. So, Jill called on her own. >> Jill called on her No, I called She asked me she said, "Well, how we going to pay the bills?" I mean, it was we was having conversations. Like, what are we going to do? How we going to do this? What we going to do that? I said, "Well, the only thing I know is you going to have to call the bank and you going to have to see if they going to pay the bills." She I think she asked them to pay the bills. >> Okay. And how much money did she ask for, do you know? >> No. No, that I don't know. >> Okay. >> I don't think she asked for no particular amount of money. >> Okay. At some point, did you talk to Arthur, Steven's brother? >> A A to a brokerage from her phone about a dead man's money. It is the first concession he pulls out. >> I don't remember. >> When? >> I forgot I talked to him. Uh >> You forget a lot of stuff. I got to be honest with you. >> you know how many you know how much I've been through? >> Oh, I'm I'm sure, but I'm very like sometimes I'm just like sitting here thinking to myself, "You're telling me you're this nurse, right?" Which which I hold nurses in very high regard, but you don't Okay. All right. So, but that that was Henry Ford. >> Tylenol, too. >> When did he go into Henry Ford again? >> He went into Henry Ford in in August. >> Was he admitted in Henry Ford? >> He was admitted into Henry Ford for 2 day 3 days. I think it was 3 days. Two or three. Two or three. >> And that's the one right here, over here in 19 Mile and Garfield? >> 19 Mile and Garfield. >> Okay. But you think that was August? >> I believe that was August. >> So, he didn't go to the hospital September or October other than the McLaren. >> He went a couple of times. That's what I'm saying. He went a while ago. >> not what you're saying cuz you said the last time he went was August besides this last time he went and died there. So, you tell me. You're the nurse. >> He went to Let me see. He went to Henry Ford. Did he go twice to Henry Ford and once to McLaren? I Once to Henry Ford. I think he went once to Henry Ford, which I think was believe was in August. And so, he would have went to McLaren twice. Once for a fall. No, wait a minute. >> [snorts] >> It may have been September, not August. The ambulance came but they didn't take him. He wouldn't go. >> Okay. >> So they came they came out quite a few times though cuz he was falling outside. >> Okay. Okay, but you don't remember when when he went to the hospital. >> I can't remember the exact date cuz he uh >> But you know for sure though when we talk about exact dates, you know for sure though you left to go to Thailand on August or October 19th. >> Yeah, it was October. >> And that's for sure. You know that 100%. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you know 100% that that power of attorney you were talking about that was signed on that same day he went to the hospital for the stroke. >> that I can remember, yeah. >> Okay. And you know that 100% to be true. >> That I'm thinking, yeah. I don't I don't Yeah. >> So the same day he signs that paperwork few hours later he has a stroke. Is that correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Now that was the same day. >> And that's Yeah, you're saying that's the same day. You're saying that's that's on >> the 19th, right? Yeah, 19th. >> And you're sure that's the 19th? The same day you left? >> Well, if I had my phone I can kind of go in there and look. But I can't. And so I I just I can't I can't give prominent dates and I can't even look to see what I'm doing. >> Okay, but but you do remember prominent times like that something takes place. So if Steve gets transported to the hospital, that would be a for a stroke, right? When you had to do CPR and [clears throat] stuff on him, right? >> Yeah, I did CPR. >> that's a memorable day. >> Well, it was a memorable it was a memorable day. >> on. >> But it was a very emotional day, too. >> Let me Let me ask this. Do you How many times did you do CPR on Steven? >> Once. >> One time, right? That same day he went to the hospital. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. That is the same day, you're 100% sure that he signed that paperwork? >> Yes, yes. >> Yes. Okay. >> so, yes. >> All right. Okay. That's what I'm >> Okay. So that To you, that would be a memo- memorable day of a series of events that took place that day. Cuz you don't do CPR on somebody every day. >> No, you don't do CPR, but the Here's the thing when you're doing CPR. When you're doing CPR, you got adrenaline rush, you're moving, and you're just moving fast. >> Sure, but you would remember that. That's the same day that, you know, here he is, he signs this paperwork. And then a couple hours later, he has a stroke. >> say I killed him? >> No, that's not what I'm saying. >> That's what Cuz that's what I feel like. I FEEL LIKE >> I'M JUST I'M JUST TRYING to get cuz you're you You can't remember anything, WHICH IS WHICH IS CRAZY to me. You're this You're this nurse, and you're you're a educated person, and you can't remember jack about your patients? >> What do you not remember about my patients? >> Days. Days of that things took place. >> I going to be remembering dates? >> Well, I don't know. It's not every day that you do CPR on somebody. >> Yeah, but What did I I said I did the CPR. >> Okay. So you said the same day >> "Are you trying to say I killed him?" she asks it 42 minutes before he answers. He says no. >> Actually, you know what? I got to read here. >> cuz because >> Is this what we're talking about right here? This power of attorney right here? >> It was another page, I think. Yeah, this is this is the paper. >> Okay. So, he signed that the same day he went to the hospital. >> Yes. >> Okay. And he was present when this document was signed. That's correct, right? >> Yeah, it say the 19th on here, right? >> So, the same day he was taken to the hospital is when he signed this. And you said he was present for this signature. >> Yes. >> Okay. And which which signature is this because it's hard to make out. Which signature is is his? >> What does that say, Steve? >> So, that's his signature? And that one is maybe somebody else. I would assume maybe Jill. I don't know. I wasn't there. >> I don't know what that say. But I know that say Steve. >> Okay. But But you were there when this document was signed, is that correct? >> I was there when the document was signed. >> Okay. And this notary you said Steve contacted the notary? This lady here? >> No, Steve didn't contact her. Steve contacted the other notary. >> Okay. So, who contacted this notary? >> Who is this? It would be me. >> Okay. So, you contacted her. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, she came to the house and you said that Jill was there, Steve was there, Kendra was there, and you couldn't remember who the other person was. You said Larry, right? >> No, I said No, I said Larry. >> I thought you said a Larry. >> I talked I talked about Larry was being an employee. >> Okay. All right. >> When we were at the house, I was saying who the people was at the house. >> Who's Antoine Winters? >> That's my husband. >> Okay. So, you'd remember if he was there. >> Two answers, 90 seconds apart. I wasn't there. I was there when the document was signed. Both about the same page. >> All right. Let's cut to the chase here. >> I was there. >> Let's cut to the chase Yeah, let's let's cut to the chase. You are lying so badly, it's it's almost hard to even like contain myself. You are so full of crap, it's not even funny. >> What am I full of crap about? >> And this is what I'm going to say, Linda. People make bad decisions sometimes. And I've been in this room with a lot of really bad people. And I think that I don't think you're a bad person. I think you're somebody who made a bad choice and a couple bad choices. Okay? >> Mhm. >> So, I will tell you this right now. This document right here >> Mhm. >> is fraudulent. And you know >> From from where? >> Want to go through it? I'd be happy to go through it with you. See this document right here? >> Mhm. >> 40 minutes of patience end in a single sentence. Everything he needed her to say on the record, she has already said. >> Okay? This document right here fake, fraud. >> That's not what he told me. >> Nope, that is totally This is you right here. This is a fraudulent document you turned in >> I I did sign this. >> Yep, that's correct. You signed it and you turned it into the register of deeds on November 1st. Which is how many days after Steve died? So, here's what really happened. >> Here's what really happened, Linda. Is you took advantage of a situation. I don't know. I don't walk in your shoes. Maybe you have some financial issues. Maybe you need some money for something. >> But you were taking advantage of these people. You tried to get their house. You tried to put it up for sale. You tried to put this house for sale that you filled out and filed a fraudulent document for. You tried to put it up for sale. >> I did. >> Yeah, in the last couple days. >> No, not no, not the last couple of days. >> 3 weeks. >> But >> Within the last 2 weeks. >> I did I did say that I did not deny that. >> When you filed this fraudulent piece of crap form right here that you made. >> She listed the house of a man whose family had not been told he was dead on a deed filed 13 days later. >> I got you on camera walking in there. Got you on camera filing this. That's your signature. >> said I walked in there. >> That's a fake That's a fake notary. And guess what? They're not called notary republics. They're called notary publics. >> You say I altered >> You altered this document. It's a fraudulent document that you altered it. You forged it. You made it. Either way, it's a fraud. >> No, I didn't. I CAN GIVE YOU THE NUMBER TO WHO TO THE GUY. >> OKAY. I already looked them up. I already found them. You know how hard it is to find those people? It's not. >> Listen, I know that. >> So, let's get into another one then. Let's talk about this document since we're going to talk about documents and being fraud. Okay? This document right here you're lying about. You've already looked at this document. Are you really that ignorant that you don't know what this document looks like? >> new glasses on. >> Oh, you got new glasses now, man. You're full of excuses. >> The first time notary republic is put to her, she does not flinch. 16 minutes from now, she says it herself. >> But I looked at the paper. I did look at the >> right here you said you said, "Hey, yeah, he was there. Steven was there. She came and notarized it. Yeah, I don't remember who was there, but it's Antoine Winters, who's your husband, who you would remember. Kendra seems to be showing up in a lot of these. This signature up here, who the heck is that? Jill can't even hold a pen. Whose signature is that right there? >> Jill can hold a pen. >> Whose signature is that right there? You're saying Steve's cuz you say Steve was there. Guess what? Steve was on life support when this document was signed. >> Steve never was on life support. >> Yes, he was. >> Steve was in >> know And you know who told him And you know who told the doctors at the hospital to make him comfortable because there was nothing else they could do? It was you. >> Cuz it was nothing else they could do. >> Okay. >> No, I'm saying you said because it was nothing else they could do. >> That's Yeah. >> They told me Steve was going. >> Right. >> I said, "Okay." >> And you said, "Make him comfortable. Take him off life support." >> I didn't tell him to take him off life support. >> Aren't you a nurse? >> Yes, he I didn't tell him to take him off no life support. >> So, all these doctors are lying? >> All what doctors? >> Am I Am I Do you Do you understand English? Like I'm really having a hard time here because I'm asking you questions >> Steve never was on life support. She has said it four separate times. The medical record says something else. >> Doctors, what doctors do you think I'M TALKING ABOUT? >> TALKED TO ONE DOCTOR. >> YOU TALKED to one doctor, how many times? >> I talked to the doctor three times. >> Okay, what's the doctor's name? >> I don't remember his name. >> Okay, because you know what? >> times. >> You know why? >> No, why? >> Cuz you're lying. >> I told you he was at McLaren. >> Yeah, I know. And the medical records at McLaren say that they spoke to you. >> I SAID I [laughter] SPOKE TO THEM. >> And that you said that you were the niece, you had power of attorney, and that >> And I said I said >> make him make him comfortable because he needs comfort care. There's nothing else they could do for him. >> That's not true. >> That's not true. >> NO, BECAUSE >> THESE DOCTORS lie about that? >> Because they're doctors. >> But you're lying. So, I would sit here and go, well, you're already caught in a lie. You're caught in a BUNCH OF LIES. >> YOU WHEN YOU asked me When you asked me, I told you. I said >> Linda. >> Let me Let me At least let me say this. >> Go ahead. >> When you When you asked me, you said you you asked me about the doctor. I said they called me when I was in Turk when we got to Turkey that they was trying to reach me because Steve was going and he was going to have a heart attack. And they were keeping him comfortable. And I said, "Okay, call me with an update." They called me back 30 minutes later and said that he was gone. >> Yeah. >> He had a female He had a female nurse that day and he had a it was only one male doctor. >> So you definitely got caught off guard today and I'll give you that, but here's the thing is your story is so out stretched and it's got so many holes in it. You already committed fraud right here. So to me this is already like whatever, but I think I think I just need to bottom line you right here. Is that you don't seem like an evil person. >> I'm not an evil person. >> But I think you I think you were going down. >> taken advantage of her. I love her. >> Okay, well it kind of looks like you're taking advantage of her. >> HOW? I ASKED THEM TO LET ME take her and take everything THAT SHE HAD. I TAKE CARE OF MYSELF ON MY OWN WAY. >> OKAY. >> I if you call if you call if you was to I'm just saying there is people that you just saw. >> I mean you're just kind of you know, digging that hole. >> But I did say it. I asked I said >> Here's the time for you here's the time >> my house. >> Here's the time for you to tell the truth. Now is the time for you to tell the truth because guess what? >> Yeah. >> Guess what? It's you're the only one that can can write your path. Because the path you were going down is not a good one. You're caught. You're caught. You you know it, I know it. You are caught. Okay? >> But you're saying because I don't remember, but I don't remember. I can't [laughter] remember everything. >> okay. I've I've been doing this for a long time. I've sat here and interviewed a lot of people and I just know when people lie to me. I I get I get lied to constantly, okay? >> He offers her a way out that costs him nothing. If she calls it a mistake, he can too. She does not. >> I don't believe you at all. >> what you don't understand No, what what you don't understand is that you know, what's what's your what's your son's name? Did you say you had a son or daughter? >> I have a son. >> You have a son. What's your son's name? >> Jeremy. >> So, when Jeremy was little and this is just kind of like uh for instance, right? So, if Jeremy was little and you were in the other room and you hear your favorite bowl or vase or something like that fall on the ground and break and you walk around the corner [cough] >> [clears throat] >> and it's just it's just Jeremy standing there. And you're like, "Hey, what happened to my vase?" And he's like, "I don't know. I don't know what happened to that vase. I I have no idea. Um I don't know. I don't remember. I don't remember like where I was standing or anything when that vase broke. I I don't really know." Or you walk over there and you said, "Hey Jeremy, what happened to that?" And he says, "You know what, Mom? I made a mistake. I was playing with my ball. I knocked your vase over. I'm really sorry. I started to kind of lie to you, but you know what? I'm just going to tell you I broke the vase." Don't you think you'd be a little bit less mad at Jeremy for telling you the truth? Still mad, the vase is broken. He's still going to have to get punishment for that vase being broken and him playing with his ball inside, but at least you would kind of know, right? Like, "I'm glad he told me the truth at the end, right? Rather than ride the cuz if you would have been riding that lie out you'd have been more mad. Is that correct? Right? >> Yeah. >> I I have kids. Same thing for me. >> I said, "I agree with you, but I actually thought y'all were bringing me down here cuz you said something about >> killing Steve. >> Nobody in the room has used that word until now and the detective is not the one who says it. This situation is no different. This situation is no different. And if you want to keep telling these lies then it's just going to go down that road of this is going to go to a prosecutor. It's going to go to a judge and somebody's going to be making decisions about you what's going to happen to you for the rest of your life. Do you really want to ride this lie through there, or do you want to tell the truth? >> all of that. >> You didn't do all of that. >> I'm No, I When you asked me about the register, I told you I took it down there. >> That's correct. And you said you signed this document, you said Steve was present, and this notary was present, and guess what? None of them were. >> So, the notary said he wasn't there? >> This is fake. >> How do I know he was fake? >> Wow. Okay. So, you're saying Steve set up a fake notary? >> Listen, this man >> turned this in, this stamp right here says >> I turned >> 10/14, right? October 14th, 2024. Right here, right? >> Listen to me. Cuz I'mma say the same thing, but I do need you to hear me. >> The notary has been contacted. He says he was never in that house. That is what the detective is holding. >> I don't know who this is. This was a registry of a notary who came to the house. I don't know this person, but he came to the house. >> Okay, on October 14th. >> Yes. >> Okay. What if I told you that's a complete lie? >> How? Cuz he came. >> Okay. That's a complete lie. >> Oh my god. Well, who was he? >> You tell me. Was he an imaginary friend? Was he just somebody that didn't exist? You're caught. >> So, please listen >> Linda, you're really going to ride this out. You're You're totally freaking caught. >> riding this out. This guy came to the house. >> okay. That's fine. >> I own Everything you asked me, I own, but I'm not taking the off. >> Yeah, I'm not >> You heard what he says next in the opening. Six words that name the entire case. >> My God, this is crazy. >> It is crazy. It's crazy that you think anybody's going to believe your crap. >> Listen. >> You're so full of it it's not even funny. >> call Jim Fagan? >> Oh, I will. I already talked to him. >> Okay, so he didn't tell you? >> Yeah, I got Jim Fagan. I got everybody you talked to. >> Well, [snorts] I So, I I didn't >> saying the the opposite of what you're saying. >> So, what do you mean the opposite? What do you mean? >> 7 days. That is how long Steven Zarnowitz's family went without knowing it. And the detective asks her for the reason directly. >> THAT'S WHAT JILL SAID HE WANTED. >> OKAY. >> SHE TALKED TO HIM SHE TALKED TO HIS >> [screaming] >> UH >> JILL, WHO'S NOT EVEN ABLE to sign a document like this power of attorney. And I guarantee you when I start peeling the layers back further and further, you're going to be uh there's going to be a lot of money being transferred and different things like that. But, what I really want to know is how come you didn't How come you didn't tell the family that Steven died? >> I COULDN'T TALK. I CALLED I WHEN I FELT WHEN I felt like I could talk, I did. By the time I called Mickey, I called I mean no, I didn't call um the son had called me. Not call me. He text me. >> What son? >> Um Jeff. >> Mhm. >> Jeff had text me. Before I could even call him back. >> Right. So, you say you're in Thailand October 19th to October 23rd or 24th, you're not sure. Um you're sick. You lost your voice at that time. >> I'm still recovering now. >> The illness returns every time a date does. It is the one part of her story that never changes. So, the other the other part of this is >> Mhm. So, you're talking to these doctors though before you got sick. Is that correct? >> Yeah, I talked I talked to the the doctor before I got sick. >> Jill Margolin could not hear her over a phone. Jill Margolin had already signed her power of attorney over to Steven. >> Well, no, it's not so much that it's fuzzy, but I have I've been sick. >> So, you talked to the doctors though and you're saying that you talked to the the doctors and you would call Jill on Paulette's phone. Uh and Jill would make these decisions even though Jill signed over a power of attorney to Steven that you were witness to months ago. >> Yeah, but what does that have to do with Steven and Jill? I don't I mean, power of attorney >> we both know we both know that Jill wasn't right of mind. We both know that. You cannot deny that because you're a nurse. >> Did you talk to her? >> Yes. >> And she she she ain't in her right mind in her right mind. No. >> And if you're sitting here telling me you didn't know that, you're so full of it. >> No, what I said was >> Linda, you're completely full of it. >> Jill has metabolic >> Oh, hang on. Let me get to the best part. >> The concession that follows is in the opening of this film. What follows the concession is not. >> But this >> Liar. Liar. >> Look, but this one >> Liar. >> This one >> That one >> Whoever this is, he did come to the house. >> no, you fake this. This is fraud all day long. >> This >> You're getting You're getting charged with that one. >> Listen, this person came to the house. >> This person right here made up that document. >> No, I did not. I don't even know >> Who'd you get the document from? Because you didn't even you didn't even you didn't figure this out right. County of County of Wayne, State of Michigan, City of Detroit. Steven didn't >> read it. >> Steven didn't do this document. >> Listen, I didn't even read the document. >> Okay, so now let's get back to this. You lied to me about this. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes, you did. >> But I did lie about this one. >> Okay. Well, this is a lie. This is fraud. >> It wasn't from me, though. >> Okay. But it was from you. >> No, I'm saying >> signed it and you turned it in. And in fact, this stamp up here? >> That's not what I'm saying. >> that this is the best part. This stamp right here that you had on this document? That's not a real stamp. >> Listen. >> The Register of Deeds contacted me and let me know that this is fraudulent. >> Listen. >> This is a document you signed and you turned in. Is that correct? >> I signed this. >> And you turned it in. >> And I turned this in. >> Okay. Thank you. >> But I did not This person came to the house. >> she splits it cleanly. The power of attorney was a lie. The deed was not. >> It's not even a That's not even a real stamp. >> said that to you? >> Cuz because you altered this document. >> YOU SAID IT WAS a real stamp. >> it. This ain't no real stamp. THIS AIN'T NO YOU know that this ain't no real stamp. >> So, who did you talk to? >> This guy right here, his notary commission expired in 2022. You are caught. >> I'm not I do not want >> I I I admire you. I admire you. >> I can do a polygraph. I promise you. >> I love I I'd love for you to get on a polygraph. You know it's hilarious, you're going to fail it so bad. >> Oh my goodness. >> It's not even funny. And all these all these doctors are lying to at the hospital that told me that they Okay, they You talked to one doctor, so that one doctor's lying. >> Lying about what? >> So, this is Linda Polk, who is next of kin, power of attorney. He is She's not a niece. You're not a niece. And >> But I told you that. You didn't >> And they document You realize they document your conversation. You know Okay. So it was your decision to make Steven comfortable. Isn't that correct? >> No, they told me Steve was being made comfortable at this time and that Steve is he's probably going to go into respiratory distress. I mean not respiratory distress a heart attack because he's metabolic acidosis. >> Isn't it true that you instructed them to make him comfortable? >> No, I just I told you from the beginning. They they said they were that's they are making him comfortable. >> Why are you lying about this? >> About what? >> Why are you lying about this? >> About Steve being comfortable? >> 250 to the daughter, 250 to the wife. He does the arithmetic out loud. >> Steve, first of all, you've been lying about Steve this whole time saying the same day he signed this document which wasn't the same day and he wasn't present for that document. But then he goes to the hospital, you did CPR and you saved him. He hopped up. Sounds like a really good >> No, I didn't say he hopped up. I said >> lifetime movie. >> No, I didn't say he hopped up. What I said was >> Okay, you didn't say he hopped up. I agree with you. So he came to, right? And then he got just KEPT SAYING JIM FAGIN, JIM FAGIN. >> OH MY WELL, WHERE DID WHERE DID I GET Jim Fagin from? >> Really? >> Yeah, I mean >> can't even keep it straight. >> I can't keep what straight? >> Your lies cuz you're you're lying. >> So what AM I WHY DID I CALL JIM FAGIN? >> SO LOOK, LET'S JUST >> DID JIM FAGIN tell you I signed over the documentation? >> This power of attorney document right here you already said you lied about. Is that correct? Or is it or is that not correct? >> No, I I agree to this. >> Yeah, you lied. >> But this one? >> That one you're going to say no. >> Because he was there. >> You're going to do the Shaggy defense here. It wasn't me. >> god. >> Good luck. >> Well, I'm going to have to take my chance on it because >> Yeah, sure. No problem. >> Listen, this person was there. >> All day long, we'll take our chances on it, too. No problem. You took a fraudulent document because you were trying to steal these people's house. >> I wasn't trying to steal anything. >> Oh, yeah, you were. Nobody was going to ever buy any of this. >> Buy anything. >> her, "Katie, uh I'm going to make sure you get Katie gets her $250,000 and, you know, the other $250,000 going to going to go to jail." >> $250 go to jail? >> Yeah. >> know how much is left in there? >> You seemed to know that earlier in this conversation. >> No, I said it was about >> It was about 600 and something, 700. >> 700. And I said he wanted >> 250 + 250? >> on. >> to start doing math? >> Huh? Wait a minute. >> You remember how to do math, right? >> Listen. Hold on. >> Hold on. All right. >> St- Jim Jim Faison >> Mhm. >> If you look on my phone, you will see Katie's mom texting me >> Mhm. >> about money. >> Let's talk about Katie. You know what? Let's talk about Katie. >> I'm I'm trying to So, >> Go ahead. I I mean, I'm not going to believe you, but go ahead, though. >> Believe me on what? I'm telling you >> You're going to tell me the truth now, right? >> I am telling you the truth. >> ahead. >> Katie's mom wanted to know about the money. Jim Faison >> She wanted to know about the money, KATIE. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> OKAY. All right. >> Jim Faison asked me and said he wanted to make sure that Katie was taken care of. >> Mhm. >> Oh, you don't believe me that he said that? >> He's carried one message the whole interview. He waits until she finishes explaining how helpful she was, then reads it. >> And talked about Katie, the money, and the house. >> Okay. >> Now, I you say you talked to him, then he would be able to tell you that. >> Okay. >> And if he don't, I don't know why because that was a conversation that they wanted to know about the money. Because he wanted to make sure her daughter was taken care of. And I told him, "Yeah, he did. He said he was going to leave her $250,000." I said, "So, everything should be set." I faxed him over I mean, not fax. Not fax. It's not called fax. Um Not fax. Uh it's another It's another one. Uh >> Can't remember what that is either, right? >> Uh It's not It's not No, not email. >> Scan? >> Scan. >> Scan. >> Scan. >> Okay. Scan. >> So, scan. I scanned over the documents for because I got a I got a text from Jim Bajer asking me for the information. >> when Katie tries to call Steve's phone? Steve's phone doesn't nobody answers. And she texts Steve's phone. And somebody responds, "Who is this?" She says, "Katie, your daughter." And then that person proceeds to respond with uh acting like they're Steven and that they'll call them. >> What do you mean? >> Do you remember this? Do you remember doing this? Texting Katie on Steve's phone? >> Wow. Texting No. >> No? You don't remember that? >> No. >> Okay. >> October the 25th, somebody answered his daughter from his phone in his voice 6 days after he died. >> That was on October 25th. That was 6 days after Steven was already dead. Okay. >> I I mean, the phone was >> [laughter] >> at the You know what? Look, I'm good. Like, you're clearly you don't really want to BE HONEST. >> I'M BEING HONEST. YOU I MEAN, MORE THAN ONE PERSON IS AT THE HOUSE. >> YOU'RE NOT FOOLING ME. >> Oh my god. >> You're not fooling me. You've already committed fraud here and you've already committed fraud here. >> I didn't commit fraud. >> Yes, you did. And you were stealing from these people, I guarantee it. >> Stealing? >> Yep. And you made a decision that you had no right to make. >> What decision I made? >> a decision You made medical decisions for Steven that you had no right to make. >> I talked to Jill. >> Really? Jill who doesn't know that her sons are adults and they're two and four and she just went for a two-mile walk? That Jill? >> Oh, lord. >> Yeah, I know. You're caught. Again, I go back to it. You're caught. This document right here that you lied about. This is the document you were using at the funeral home. This is >> I said I told you I took it to the funeral home. >> The woman she says made every decision does not know how old her own sons are. And you were making stuff you had no right to make those decisions for for Steve. >> Who was supposed to make them? >> Not you. >> I'm saying who? Tell me who was supposed to make them. >> Okay, when was the first person in Steven's family notified of Steven's death? >> When I When I found his number? >> Who was the first person that was notified of his >> I only know one of Steve's family members. >> And when? >> I believe it was on the Let me see. 20 It had to be somewhere around the 20 20s fifth, sixth. I I can't say >> Six, seven days later. We don't really remember. >> No, I didn't say I didn't say I didn't say I >> you you act like oh, I'm niece. I'm I'm I'm niece. I you know, this is my niece and all that. You act like oh, that's my uncle. You act like all this like you give a crap about this guy, but you're not going to call one of his family members after he dies. >> not have the number. We had to get the phone and try to get it to work. >> you 7 days? >> Oh my god. Well, you got the phone. How about you look at it and you'll see what I'm saying. >> will. I will. >> Cuz the phone is cracked up. >> Okay. >> And if you look at his phone >> what's cracked up too is your story. Your story cracked up. It sucks. >> Did you look at his phone? >> Hey, listen. Listen, you're the one who has to live with all this stuff. >> Did you look at his phone? >> of these people. You took advantage of these people. You were going to steal their house because you tried to do a quick claim deed and you tried to contact a realtor who thought to himself, this is really weird. Why would this person do this? This is the circumstances behind this are suspicious. And you file a fake document. You already You already admitted this is fake. You filed this fake document. >> A realtor called the police. The register of deeds called the police. She walked in believing none of that had happened. >> You filed this fake document. >> is not fake. >> Oh, it's No, you're right. You're right. This document, which is totally fake and fraudulent, which you're going to write this. That's fine. No problem. >> guy who was on there was there. >> Yeah, I bet. You probably called him. You probably hey, do me a favor. I'll pay you. You know, I'll pay you a little extra. Right? >> Pay him what? I was taking care of Jim. >> Yeah, I bet. Out of your own wallet. >> who Oh. So, who was taking care of Jim? >> I have no idea who was taking care of Jim. >> Well, who was paying >> who was taking from Jim. I know who that is. >> How was I taking from Jim? >> Okay. You know what? We'll reserve I'll tell you what. >> I bought Jim clothes. >> I'll tell you what. I don't have any more questions for you. Cuz quite frankly, I really don't feel like listening to this anymore. And if you think anybody's going to believe that, a jury of your peers or whoever, then go ahead write it out. All good. >> This is This is all wrong. >> Okay. >> It is. It's It's all wrong. >> If you want to come clean, Linda, and just let me know what happened. Cuz now you know You know you're roping other people into this, too, right? >> I'm not roping nobody into this. >> Kendra? Kendra? And then >> Kendra was there. >> Okay. And then your husband? >> He was there. >> Correct. >> So, roping who? >> Okay. Whatever. I'm not going to keep going around and around with you. >> But you're saying I'm roping somebody in there. >> I DON'T REMEMBER WHO WAS THERE. I DON'T I DON'T REMEMBER UH It was Kendra. Uh maybe Kendra was there. Uh [ __ ] Who else was there? Only the guy I live with and I'm married to. >> She asks for a polygraph twice and asks to take it before she leaves. He tells her to make an appointment. >> You are such a liar. >> It is unbelievable how much you're a liar. You are caught red-handed. So, if you'd like to tell me the truth, I'd be happy to hear it. You want to do a polygraph? We can set that up for you, no problem. >> I I I really do. >> Okay. Perfect. >> I really do. >> Perfect. >> I I do because I'm telling you >> I'm going to give you my card. >> That guy came. >> You can call me and I can set you up for that polygraph test. That's no problem at all. >> Well, can't you just set me up for it before I leave? >> No, we don't We don't have somebody standing by to wait to to talk to people on polygraph. So, we'll make an appointment. >> I'm saying, can I Well, can I That's what I was really saying. Can I just make an appointment now? I'm here. >> No, cuz I don't hold his books. So, uh uh you'll have to call me and we'll figure it out. >> that I was actually asking. >> Okay. Got anything else you want to say before you leave? >> Mhm. >> You want to tell the truth? >> I just told you. >> But you lied, then you're saying you told me the truth. So how much >> Wait a minute. You told me to tell you the truth and then when I tell you the truth then you tell me you don't believe me. >> Yeah, cuz yeah, cuz there's holes in that. >> It's holes. Tell me where the holes are. >> I'm done. You done? You want to be done? >> I'm asking a question. >> You got holes all over the place. >> Because I can't remember the exact dates? >> I I don't understand how you >> I've been sick. I've been had the flu. I've been I've been I've been dealt with the police every day three days a week trying to and taking care of Jim. And I was paying people to help take care of Jim. >> Yeah. And you were going to get a $430,000 house all as a reward, eh? >> No, that was already >> after the 250 and the 250? >> What was I going TO DO WITH THAT? I TOLD THEM TO TAKE THE MONEY. >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE GOING to do WITH THAT. >> BUT I TOLD THEM TO TAKE THE MONEY. >> You're living pretty large. I don't know. >> How am I living large? >> Okay. But hey, all good. >> Cuz I'm not broke. >> No, you're not. >> The last thing he asks about is not the death or the deed. It is her tax return. >> Do you file taxes for your for your income for your business? >> I don't have a business. >> Okay. >> I don't have a business. >> income taxes for yourself for what you made? >> Okay. Do you use a tax person for that? >> Yes. I don't know how to do taxes. >> Who is that? Do you remember? >> com- the the company. >> Yeah. >> The company is on Gratiot and uh Gratiot and Bandini. >> Okay. >> True uh True Taxes. >> True Taxes? >> True Taxes. True True Taxes. >> federal and state taxes for correct? >> and well, I don't file city. >> Okay. So, for 12,000 roughly $13,000 a month, you have a tax record for all that? >> Not for $13,000 a month, cuz I don't make the $13,000 a month. >> Okay. >> Cuz other people were paid. >> Yeah. So, what do they Do they claim taxes, too? >> I I can't tell you what they do. >> Okay. All right. >> She left the building. 9 months later, she was arrested for murder, and a judge sent all eight charges to trial. In March 2026, a circuit judge threw out the murder count for want of proof of causation. The prosecution appealed. The fraud charges remain pending, and Polk stands convicted of nothing. Steven Zarnowitz was 78. His family learned he was dead 7 days later from a woman who had already sent his will to his lawyer. If you want the next one, subscribing is the only thing that helps. >> All right.