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So, these people dropped off a dead body at the hospital. >> On March 4th, 2024, in Ashtabula, Ohio, 63-year-old Karen Casbohm and 55-year-old Lorine Ferraro allegedly put the body of 80-year-old Douglas Layman in a car and drove him to a bank. Investigators say he was already dead before they left the house, suggesting it was a planned act, not an accident. What's wrong? I don't understand. >> Well, what's wrong is you dumped a deceased person off at the hospital and left without telling anybody anything today. I did? Yeah. I didn't understand. >> That comes back to Lorine What's that? I didn't know. I didn't understand. What do you mean you don't understand that? >> I did not. >> I have you on camera doing it. I could show you your picture right now on my phone of it. That's your How How do I I just So, that's So, that's not you? The same earrings, same headband, everything? All I did was go in the That was Karen's boyfriend. Okay. boyfriend. I said. What's it for? That's all I did. That was I just did what she told me to do. What do you mean? That's Karen's boyfriend. That has nothing to do with me. >> Whatever. You were in the car. I didn't know he was dead. Yeah, he got to stay here. You're staying here. You're staying here, not free to leave. Understood? But, that wasn't Involved in what? Whatever. What are they talking about? You must know. No, I don't. Huh. Interesting. Possession of a known compound. Copy. So, what are you doing here today? I just got a ride to uh she come over to house and asked me to could come down and look at the car and that's what I was here for. I can't I'm not a really a mechanic or nothing like that. You know I mean I'm a roofer but And also I can't figure out what it is. Listen, we're investigating. This is a death investigation, okay? So So you're involved right now cuz you're here. So do you have your ID with you? No, I don't. What's your What's your name, buddy? Hold on. Hold on, man. Can you Can you call a sergeant or something? I don't know I am the sergeant. I'm the lieutenant. You're the sergeant? Yeah, you're not getting any higher than me. You're not going any higher than me right now. Okay. What's your name, buddy? I don't want to get myself involved in anything cuz I'm not in good Because it's a homicide. It might be homicide. >> Homicide? And you're here. Okay. So what's your name? Listen, I have a couple of That's fine. Don't worry about it. All right. They're trying to say that I dumped a body, Karen. So do you have your ID with you? What? What do you mean what? You drove him there. You're the one driving the car. Yeah, what happened was he was fine. Um we were driving to the bank and then right after we left the bank he just he just like went like this. He He died from old age. So you just dropped him off at the hospital and left and didn't tell anybody in the hospital? Of course I stopped. They were helping him. Nobody gave Nobody would give them a name. Nobody would give your guys' names and you took off. I wasn't even thinking about that. And you left. >> I didn't. I wasn't even thinking about that. >> So you left the guy at the hospital without telling anybody anything. And then my car wouldn't start. It doesn't start. So I had to wait for my daughter to come from Mentor to give me a ride back to the hospital. >> So they had to send the body to Cuyahoga County to do records to figure out who the who he even was. Oh my god. What's your name? Uh My name is Karen Caswell. What is the C or a K? Is this your car then? Yes. Is it registered to you? >> It's his car. But it's my car now. I have a will. He made a will. I'll tell you fully guys. I've had him for like 8 years. Go ahead. Hi. Three All right. Um so I'm at the house. I got I got both women, the driver and the passenger that dumped him out. I didn't see nothing. Um the driver was is the girlfriend. Said he just collapsed while they were driving around of old age, so she just took him to the hospital and left him there. >> 805010 Um the female that went in and got everybody to come out is Linda 454 year old male not a valid driver >> Ferolo. She has possession of all warrants with us. with us a few misdemeanor warrants And then Karen Cash Bond is the girlfriend, but they were driving his car. We have the car here that he was in. And we Right. Yeah, I don't know. She said she's been with him for 8 years. She's been living here with him. I need to sit down. Can I sit down behind you? >> You can. Yes? Yes. Okay. Thank you. Look out, honey. They don't live here. Well, I'm going. I'll be going. Well, then why? Um So, where where'd you find him? Where'd you pick this guy up? He lives here. Oh, he lives here. >> Oh, this is his house? >> Yes. I've been living with him. I've been living with him for 8 years. Then he died and you just dropped him off at the hospital. >> old He's my old man. I did it to her. That's all I You were on camera. I just She can't walk. >> But you're on camera. So, you were there. There's a picture of you. I just did it. He asked me to do it. I asked her to run up cuz I can't walk. I asked her to run up and get somebody. Wait, you guys are all talking at once. They They took him out of the car. They closed the car door. minutes Who the nurse is? Yeah, I'm I mean, didn't you think I should stick around? And then they started pounding on his chest trying to get him going and and just very >> that's what you do. That's what happens at a hospital. It's weird. But, you didn't come back later. No. You didn't even call them. Yes, I did. When? >> Oh, I called them twice. And then I came back. My daughter We just got back. I have a card from some lady that I talked to there. Who did you talk to there? >> got back. From where? The hospital? About a half hour, 45 minutes ago. From where? You got back from where? From the hospital to from the from the ER. >> just told me you couldn't go up there because your car was broken. My daughter came and picked me up and drove me there. I had to wait for her to get back from Menards. I told them this. Let's back up a minute. So, So, you guys drop this that your that your old man is deceased at the hospital and then you just leave. Why do Why didn't you stick around? The whole this looks looks pretty weird, right? I mean, you can agree We can all agree on that, right? I understand it does. No, I was going anything wrong. I just knew he was I didn't say you lived with the guy for three years. Didn't you care to see >> Yes, I did. Did you You didn't even get out of the car. go pay a bill and I said I was getting a call. You had to go pay your bill, so your dead boyfriend is going to lay there in the hospital without anybody knowing. And no one said no one said anything to you. You you keep avoiding what I'm talking about, right? You have a point. Talk to me over here, Lori. You agree that it's kind of strange if I dropped your dead body off at the hospital and left without talking to anyone, you'd think that's strange, right? From the outside looking in. I didn't ask That's not the question. That's not the question. Let's say nothing happened. But, >> [clears throat] >> you still Let's just say you drop somebody off, they're dead. You don't stick around cuz you got to go pay the electric bill. That's odd. It's odd. Maybe you got your priorities a little mixed up. I don't know. I care about the person that I love. I want to find out what's going on. Is he going to make it? I just knew was dead, but I called whenever I got back. I don't want to take you on any warrants or anything. You have a felony warrant at our office. I don't want to take you on that. I'd rather just talk to you and and figure something out. Okay? What else can you tell me about this? Cuz you know it's weird. I'm not saying you did anything. >> This Does he Did he use drugs? >> No. No. No, he did not. No. Okay. He wasn't He wasn't a drug user? >> No. I mean, I think he smoked pot back in the day. Right. But I'm not talking I'm talking like heroin stuff. No. Definitely not. He has been sick in his bed for a year. What was wrong with him? Well, he started out with laryngitis. Okay? Couldn't talk. And he smoked a lot, chronic smoker. He couldn't breathe, and he refused to go to the doctor. Okay? Refused to get any kind of help. All right? He ended up having a lump in his neck. Mhm. And his body his skin bone. Yeah. I mean, he was dying. Obviously, he had cancer. Mhm. Okay? He chose himself to lay in his bed. He didn't want to go to the doctors or do anything. He wanted to die at home. Okay? I just recently started staying here because I didn't have nowhere else to go. I know she needed help, you know? Cuz she's herself. And she's supposed to have surgery on her foot. Just she's been taking care of him. I don't have a whole lot like I don't know like details. So run me through run me through today. What happened? So you guys like from the point where you were all in the house till you all got in the car. Like run me through that. Well, he got him down the stairs like always. This is like a monthly thing. He goes in the bank with Karen drives. They go to the bank, get money out, okay? And they pay bills. It's a been a monthly thing for years. Out of his bank? Yeah. And I helped him, you know? He walked down and got him in the car, driving. And like, you know, he thought he was sleeping. I'm in the backseat. Mhm. You know, and then I was like looked over and it was like he wasn't moving or saying nothing. Just you know, I mean I don't know if it was before he got in I don't know. I mean he went in the car got him in the car, you know, like >> Right. Um did have to get some help from um her stepdaughter and her boyfriend. >> To get him into the car? >> Yeah. Was he still alive then? I I think he was breathing. But he wasn't talking or nothing? >> He was lightweight like you know. But he wasn't with it? Yeah. Where were you at when when you realize he was dead? Was he here or were you at the >> at the hospital when I dropped him off. >> What was What was his They WERE LIKE POUNDING ON HIS on his What was his demeanor like how did you notice something was wrong? Well, as soon as we left the bank Which >> Suddenly he was like would be slumped over. What bank was it? Um US US or Right by the police station? Whatever it's called. Right by the police department? >> center street. Center street. Okay. Yeah. You have so you have a cell phone? I do. Why didn't you call 911? Because I was in my car. I was just I was going to just take him to the hospital. So you're So you're in the bank, he slumps over in the car, and then you just drove him straight to the hospital? >> Yes. I mean that's I couldn't see that's rational. So then you get to the hospital, where did you drop him off at the turnaround I take it? I went right up to the ambulance. Up to the ambulance place? Yes. So you drop him off there, all the nurses and stuff Everybody comes out. And of course And again >> the car, put him on the stretcher, close the close the You keep saying that like they're policemen like they're saying they'll be okay. Did anybody tell the hospital who this guy was? Did you stay? >> I wasn't even thinking about that and they didn't even ask. Like when they slammed the door, I just said I'll be back and they said okay. So they have a and you know this because you're an adult, they have a duty to care for the sick person. They don't have any duty for you, but you have a duty to care for your loved one, right? I mean, you don't think this is weird, right? That's why we were able >> If I thought it was doing something wrong, I wouldn't have done it. >> But you you're you're you're dancing around this you're dancing around it. >> they were like, you know, giving them CPR and So I guess we don't all think it's weird, just us. I guess he had cancer. >> you able to get the money? >> So when he was dead Yeah, did you Did you get your bill paid? Yeah, I did. Okay. Did you take money out of the bank? Is that why you were at the bank? Yeah. Okay. Did you take cash out? Yes. And how much did you take out? >> $900. To pay what bill? Uh this the Spectrum. $900 for Spectrum bill? Well, we That's what we take out every month. We take out $900. >> For different bills or >> the bills, yeah. >> Okay, that makes more sense. Whoo. Yeah. I thought you had $900. I thought that's a little That's why I wanted to recheck it. Direct TV. >> [laughter] >> So why would they take him to the bank if he couldn't move? Well, that was her her thing. That was all her thing. Because he probably had to be there to sign the papers. >> to be there, right. He had to be there and they just go through the drive-thru. Right. I only just did I just did I I didn't want to >> opinion, do you think he was dead when they could put him in the car? I mean, just be be honest. You're not in any trouble. >> I'm Cuz you didn't do it. You They put him in the car. >> I like it like >> had to guess. We Maybe almost. Maybe almost. I don't I I can't say. Um But he wasn't >> was like Oh, he wasn't okay. I mean, I don't think so. Okay. Who's money Who took the money out, him or you? Well, I took it out for him. It's his money cuz he pays for the bills. Okay. So you took the you took the >> I'm going to So, you took the money out of his account then? Right. He had signed it yesterday. He signed a slip of paper. A check or what? Was it a paper check or what? It's It's a withdrawal slip. Okay. Yeah. I didn't want to go. I was going to get out of the car. I I was going to I was going to I wanted to So, obviously he was already dead when you got there. >> he just was unresponsive. And they had to have him there to get the money out of the bank. >> Right. Okay. Yeah. All right. So, he signed it yesterday. Yeah. And you went through the drive-thru at the bank. Yes. So, the bank teller is going to say, "I remember those folks and that guy was alive and talking." >> Sure. You're sure you're sure yes. >> but he was you know sitting there. He was alive? Yeah. Did he have a wallet on him? Yes. Yeah, in fact I have his wallet. I should have given it to them I guess. I Cuz you know they didn't even know who he was. I know. I know. See, that's the thing. They didn't even call us. They said, "Do you know this guy?" I know. And there So, here's the other thing. So, there's cameras at the bank that are going to show you out through the drive-thru. He's going to be alive, right? He was alive. He was squeezing Lori's arm. >> Okay. Cuz he was having a Bernie just sort of propped up in the back seat. No, he was No. But, he was sitting in the What was he squeezing her arm for? Cuz he was hurting? Cuz his chest? >> I don't know. Okay. What do you think he had a heart attack then or I He has stage four cancer. Oh. That might explain his guide on for me. He's 81. Sure. He was going downhill. Sure. Anyways, but I thought I would have you know a few more years with him. How long have you been living here then? Eight years. With him? Yes. Is this his car then? Yes. Well, it's mine now, but >> Well, technically it's still his. You guys aren't married, are you? No. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't want to get married because of the Is that your car? It messes up the security. Well, I mean, it's in the will. Oh, that you get everything? Yes. When the estate's closed. When the estate's over, yeah. You get the house, too, and stuff? Yes. Oh, that's good. What a nice What a guy. Yeah, at least I'm not homeless. This is 89 getting stranger and stranger, isn't it? The bigger Here you go. Yeah. I'll stop here and let the diesel warm up. Cuz it's going to be a giant fishing lure. I mean, maybe maybe she's telling the truth, maybe not. I don't know. But it's weird. It's really weird. The whole thing's weird. And it's weirder that she doesn't think it's weird. It's weirder that she doesn't find it odd. Cuz she's just denying it. Yes. Yeah, she she pretty much did. Cuz I told her, you know, that she's got warrants and I haven't talked to the other guys are talking to Karen. I haven't talked to her yet. She's 089. I'm going to talk I'm going to brief with Hey, Chris. I'm going to brief with Chris here and see what she told him see if the stories match up cuz I'm sure she just lied to Chris, so. I knew I was going to have to get a judge. They robbed him. So, she's like, yeah, As soon as As soon as she said he signed the slip yesterday, I was like, he's [ __ ] dead in the She was How long did they say he was dead? Unresponsive when he put him in the car. I was like, "Was he Was he dead when you guys put him in the car?" She's like, "I don't know." I said, "Was he responsive?" She said, "Absolutely not." And Karen just told me he was squeezing her arm in the back of the car. A guy named Justin helped load him into the car. I was like, "Well, why If you've been bedridden for a year, why would you carry him out of bed to put him in the car in that condition?" She's like, she he had to be sitting in a car with her when they were getting money out of the I mean, they'll probably help Karen right now for obstructing cuz she's lying about everything. You want her phone number? Mike's coming. All right. We're going to have to detain them anyway. Hm? We're going to have to detain them anyway. Yeah. Oh, Karen, I'm going to shoot shoot it to you straight here. Okay. There's a lot of lies here. So, don't talk, please, cuz I'm I'm going to talk and explain to you what's going to happen. There's a detective coming out. If I were you, I would strongly recommend you get the true story before he gets here. Okay. And tell him the true story, cuz I know you're not telling me the truth. That's a fact. Okay. Okay. It was Weekend at Bernie's, okay? So, get the facts straight when the detective comes. [music] Okay. Was he like squeezing your arm cuz you were in pain or No, I don't think so. I mean, he >> Do you have bruises on your arm or anything? >> Huh? Do you have bruises? >> No, no. He was very weak. Oh. Yeah. So, you were driving, right, Lori? No. Who was driving? You said you were driving. Yes. But he was in the front squee- He was He was in that front seat squeezing your arm in the back. >> No, no, no, no, no. Isn't this weird? [laughter] He was squeezing my arm inside the house, sitting in You just We already talked. Oh, all right. I'm so confused. I'm just going to stop talking. >> your arm up there, and he had a hold of your arm. Why? Yeah. What the hell? God, Karen, get your story right. Oh, I don't have a story to get right. Your story is all over the place, bro. Yeah, you do. Oh my god. You're not being truthful. >> [laughter] >> Oh, you're not. I think my four-year-old could figure out who is loved him very much. What the hell? Oh, I got you, Dad. So much so I went to pay the bill instead of going to see the doctor. So, he expired in the kitchen. What do you do? Just just go unconscious? That was it? I was I was getting in the car. I said I went out to the car. I was out in the car. Um But you said >> Yeah, That's right, Lori. Lori enters the kitchen as when she said that he is, you know. Cuz you already told me you were going to leave him. Yeah. And then uh But your intent at that point is you had to go get that money cuz you had to get your fix. Yeah. Yep. What if when he first went unconscious, what if you guys would have called 911? There might have been a chance. Right? They So sorry, Doug. Oh my god. Wow, never in my life. Never in my wildest Wow. In the end, what began as a calculated move to secure a few hundred dollars resulted in a case that shocked the small community of Ashtabula and made international headlines. Law enforcement quickly moved in and Karen Casbohm and Loraine B. Ferrallo were officially arrested and booked. They were charged with gross abuse of a corpse, a fifth-degree felony, along with theft from a person in a protected class. Both women are scheduled to appear in court next week. Police say more charges could be coming as they continue to investigate. The coroner's office wouldn't comment on the cause of death and says that an autopsy could take up to eight months. >> The latest court updates have finally provided that answer. Following a full autopsy, the coroner ruled that Layman died of natural causes related to his stage four cancer. While this spared the women from homicide charges, the legal system did not overlook the cold, clinical way they treated a man who had once been their partner and provider. In late 2024, both women reached plea deals. They were sentenced to a combination of jail time followed by two years of intensive supervised probation. >> Woo!

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