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That's correct. >> [ __ ] hands. I [ __ ] swear. Get the [ __ ] on the ground. You on the ground now. You you're going to get [ __ ] tased. I said get on the [ __ ] ground. >> It is a little after 2:00 in the morning in Peoria, Illinois. Officers try to stop a car on West Nebraska and the car speeds away. He comes to a rest about a mile north and two passengers get out and run. The man driving stays with the car. He will be written traffic citations and released at the scene. The two who ran are the ones this case is about and what they were carrying when they ran is what turned a traffic stop into seven charges. >> So there's over 20 good threes. That's good. All right. See over here? One male. You here? I don't know what that is. >> [snorts] >> Hey, um I got both of them. And I got one 32 over here. I'll get pictures and stuff. >> Illinois is one of the few states that requires a card just to possess a firearm at all. It is called a firearm owner's identification card and under Illinois law you generally need one before you can legally hold a gun or even the ammunition for it. Applicants under 21 normally need a parent or guardian to sign for them. Both of the men taken into custody here are teenagers or barely past it and neither had a valid card. That single missing card accounts for four of the charges filed tonight. >> Sir Neil. >> I'm are you uh logged 232s uh at my location? Hello. >> 10-32s or 232s? >> Two 10-32s. >> 10-4. >> Is that 18? >> Yeah. >> I say move and I can drop your ass. And he just stops and I say get on the [ __ ] ground. As I go take off after the other one, the kid stops. Both of them do. I take the one in custody and look back at the one that surrendered. I say get on the [ __ ] ground or I'll put your [ __ ] head. And he just goes to the ground, waits for me to go over there and take him in handcuffs. They both [ __ ] guns are laying on the >> The heavier charge is aggravated unlawful use of a weapon. In Illinois, that covers carrying a firearm that is loaded and immediately accessible when you have no valid card and no concealed carry license. Notice that neither man was holding a gun when the officers reached them. Both guns were found on the ground along the path they ran. Illinois does not require a firearm to be in your hand to charge you with carrying it. If the state can show it was yours and you had control of it, dropping it while running does not undo the possession. >> You said I got to read you these, okay? All right. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. Do you not afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You can stop at any time and exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand any of the rights I have explained to you? Yeah. >> That was good. >> Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me now? No. All right. I would like to talk to you about this and everything. All right, but before I do so, I got to read you your rights, okay? Uh first, do you have a phone or anything out of the car that you need or you have phone on you? >> No, I'm good. >> All right. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. Do you understand each of these rights as I've explained them to you? >> Yes, sir. >> Now, having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me now? >> Hm? >> Do you want to talk to me? >> I don't have nothing to say. >> Huh? >> So, I don't have nothing to say. >> Well, would you like me to explain >> Both men are read their rights before any questions, and both are asked the same closing question. Having these rights in mind, do you wish to talk to me now? One answers no, the other says he has nothing to say. That answer is doing real work. Once a person in custody says clearly that they do not want to talk, questioning is supposed to stop. It is not an admission of anything, and it cannot be used against them as evidence of guilt. It is the most ordinary protection in American criminal procedure, and on this recording, you can watch two people use it correctly. One of the two recovered handguns comes back stolen, which adds its own charge on top of everything else. That determination comes down to a serial number. Every firearm made or imported for sale in this country carries one, and it is the only thing that reliably ties a specific gun to a specific owner and to any report that it went missing. For the next several minutes, these officers are doing something very unglamorous. They are turning a handgun over under a flashlight, looking for numbers small enough to need a magnifier because until they find them, the gun is just a gun. >> Okay. >> Where are the serial numbers on these ones? >> No. >> [ __ ] Smith & Wesson. >> Oh, uh >> Is it under [ __ ] beam? >> Yes, it's under it. Do you have a screwdriver? >> Uh no, but actually sometimes if you lock the slide back like actually >> Go look, yeah. >> I had one of these where it was etched into like the That's why I did I went all the way and took upper off. >> it's I think it's going to have to be under there. Um or knife. >> There you go. There you go. >> I mean I said I can't imagine that it's on properly but like lock tight or anything. >> I've only had one that etched in. >> Two people ran from a car that was not theirs to drive, left two handguns on the ground behind them, and said almost nothing once they were in custody. The charges that follow come mostly from a card neither of them had and a serial number one of those guns carried. What would you have done differently if you were the officer walking that path with a flashlight? Let us know in the comments and subscribe if you want more real cases broken down with the law behind them. >> That's right.
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