how'd you get the blood on your shirt you know I was told that she was stabed your DNA and your skin is going to be under her fingernails on the evening of August 23rd 2017 911 received a highly disturbing phone call from a young man named Nathaniel Shimmel by County 911 what's going on there I think he hurt my mom who's he I don't know he was wearing one of those robber masks oh I heard screaming then I came out and she was on the ground are you with your mom right now no I got away okay so you left your mom at 47 Wood Hollow yes all right and where are you now I'm at a friend's house okay do you know how she was injured um there was a knife what do you mean there was a knife did you see a knife in her yes Michelle shim's lifeless body was found lying in her front lawn covered in blood res says it's clear they say it's clear where are the kids Wen their kids here who called this the victim son we still have landline he's at the house down the street all right for tell him to stay there get a house number we'll make contact with soon can are you what's your name Nathan Nathan my name's Jay okay I see you've got some blood on you is that from you it's from her I Ste in it who did this I don't know he was he was tall and he had one of those robber masks he had a ski mask you ever seen him before know was he wearing gloves I don't know know if he was a white guy or black guy I wasn't I to get out how T was he you know how tall he was he was really tall I'm I'm I'm right about 6 foot was he taller than me about the same maybe a little bit taller 61 6'2 maybe I guess what was he wearing I wasn't really paying attention okay so you can really remember is he's about maybe 61 62 what did he uh what was he driving I I don't I don't know okay did he say anything were you and your mom both inside the house she was inside and I was on the back porch okay I heard I heard screaming I came out he was on the ground in the front yard yeah okay if he was like to left back to me and I I went right and I got my car and I drive drove away and then when you came out to the front you just saw this person running away he was yeah and getting into a car I don't I don't know okay who do she live with me my my sister kicked my dad out of her divorced when did she do that she recently kicked him out a couple weeks ago couple weeks ago's let him take a look at you real quick just because you got some blood on your shirt okay I'll make sure that you're not H or anything like that okay are you injured anywhere this your Shir what oh you got some right here under your shirt yeah going put it's probably did you go like this yeah yeah let me see your I I got some of it off in the okay you watch some of it off already okay you get a vehicle leave foot I don't know I thought I would assum as I could you immediately got in your car on you left did you kneel down by your mom or anything or did you just get out of there I look to see if she was okay but did he say anything or no okay see youring you already wash your hands huh uhhuh okay you wait out here while I go get my pad I'm going to write a couple things down okay all right my dad H had to be my dad or something they've been arguing before she kicked him out what's your name again how'd you get the blood on your shirt you know like accidentally gotten on my shirt when I was looking at her I know she was on the ground though uhhuh did she say anything to you when uh you were talking to her uhuh were you trying to talk to her uhuh okay she didn't answer any questions no how's you guys' relationship pretty good we get fight yeah okay nothing too big all right cool deal did you get along well with your dad or did you get along better with your mom my mom your mom okay so basically long story short you heard her screaming you took your headphones off you came from the back uh patio inside the house through the back you saw the front door open you went out through the front and you saw her laying on the ground and that's when you came out and you saw who you think might be your dad leaving okay was he was he running or walking C did you immediately leave and come over here did you stop next to your mom or anything before I got in the car did you try to talk to her what' she say to she didn't say anything okay did you see did you see your dad's car what about a clothing description no idea okay hello guys some detective Amy Conrad with the sheriff's office I'm sorry this is all going on we're actually trying to round everybody up in one central location so having two different houses and stuff um so we're kind of trying to all meet back at the um at our office cuz there's couch there's food there's coffee and stuff like that so I think eventually your your family and stuff will be there too so I think that would be better for you be okay with that okay actually um Nathan can you come stand in front of the door where we can see in the light do you have any injuries on you can you hold out your arms I'm sorry having okay all right we ready I'm like her mother okay I'm detective Annie Conrad okay I'm going to be sticking by you okay do you know what's going on I was told that she was stab that's all I know unfortunately she's not I need to do everything in my power for you guys to get answers I need to figure [Applause] out I can't even imagine how stressful it is for you though right now so hang in there where's your room um yeah was in the dining room but she put me on the porch she put you on the porch cuz of what I she thought I wasn't looking for a job oh she thought you weren't looking for a job so the dogs hang out inside the house not with you how you use the bathroom I she just said to go this is recent she just said to go outside how long she made you stay out there like two days two or 3 days is it got Air Condition it's got two F but no air condition and how do you approach your m exactly I like went down and I gu I got blood me and I guess I wiped it on my shirt but she had a knife in her back do you remember what the knife look like it was one of our kitchen knives I think and you didn't call 911 until you got to Christian's house corre until I thought I was safe that's right cuz you didn't know if the guy had a weapon can you just pull that shirt off for a second that way I don't miss anything cuz got the bed I don't want you go out and see your sister with that on to be honest with you I'm going to see what I have um as far as different clothes to throne okay turn back around all right you got a lot of blood on you do I yeah I have the answer for that okay okay so I want you to be completely honest with me cuz we have a lot of resources are looking for some guy in a ski cab if something happened and you didn't mean for it to happen or something like that you need to know that you can tell me but that's that's all you remember okay go on the inside of your cheek so you said this might couch the guy never know you got to you got to don't you can't leave anything uncovered I just want to make sure that I understand she locks me out that she doesn't want me coming in the house who my mom why she thinks I'm not looking for her job she expect you to be out looking for a job during the day but since she locked me out of the house I don't have any way of showering or getting to change or anything okay and how long has that been going on like two or 3 days I think okay so when she keeps you out on the porch do she let you in after she gets home not anymore you haven't showered no I haven't gotten to you've been sleeping outside yeah out on the porch I got two fans that's kind of [ __ ] my main question is is why wouldn't you call 911 from from from your house I wanted to make sure I was safe before I did it were you concerned about being safe when you went up to her I don't know I was just in a blind panic a blind panic okay I just I guess I don't understand not calling 911 from that point I mean even as you're driving I didn't want to call it driving cuz I thought it might crash into something I mean when time is of the essence MH and this guy's already ran away m i I still I can't get over not calling 911 I didn't know what to do you mind changing into these real quick if you could just take those off and just stick them right in the bag can I see those scratches in one of those Ling against the guns in the police car I think those are scratches are they mm you know what I think is uh is kind of a strange thing is that we've been dealing with you for how many hours now do you know how many hours it's been okay do you know how many times you've asked any of us how your mom's doing no are you going to ask huh I you don't want to know why gu you might not be okay I've been I've been sitting here and listening to to to your excuses and whatever you're saying and it's it's gotten a little bit aggravating especially when you haven't asked once how she's doing which I think is strange I mean you're 23 years old 22 years old your mother raised you and you don't want to know how she's doing I think you know how she's doing I think that's the problem I think you know how she's doing is she okay why don't you tell me I don't know why want I know you don't know you don't want to know no I don't so then why' you ask me because you said okay your mom's dead you already knew that though that's why you don't ask do you know how many times everybody else ask me everybody else ask me except for you you got nothing to say I'm not even done telling you the crazy [ __ ] so [ __ ] brace yourself do you know what High Velocity blood spatter is you don't you have high velocity blood spatter on your shirt yeah yeah you do it means the blood hit your shirt at a high rate of speed why would it do that there's only one reason that there would be high high velocity butd blood spatter on your shirt and that's you standing right next to your mother when she got stabbed but you were but you were and that's why she scratched you on the arm and guess what your DNA and skin is going to be under her fingernails didn't an ambulance pick her up no an ambulance didn't pick her up do you know why an ambulance didn't pick her up why because she was dead so do you want to try again the guy was already making way past the driveway you're still sticking with the guy yeah really yeah okay where did you recognize the knife from it look like one of ours oh it looked like one of yours so a knife that came out of your house a knife that came out of your house right that you walk through you walk out front and you see her and the mystery man you're scared of the mystery man right but you develop immense courage for several seconds and you run up to your mom just long enough to get your DNA on her right and on the knife well that tell me it was already far away I get that man and that's why your [ __ ] story makes no sense it he was already far away you have no reason to not call the police but yet you told us on a sworn statement on a sworn statement you tell us that you went to your friend's house because you're scared of the masked mystery man you can't tell me how some of this Blood splattered all over your shirt you do this and you hit right the blood spatters okay that's how it works do you know what [ __ ] physics is so explain to me why your mother's blood is splattered at a high velocity are are are you just trying to piss me off I I don't understand oh you're making up you're making up [ __ ] over and over you're digging yourself a deeper and deeper old man why haven't you still reacted since I've told you that your mother's dead you still haven't reacted there's no way she's she's dead oh yeah she is she's dead never coming back never going to say another [ __ ] word to you but she knows what you did your dad doesn't have anything on his shirt your dad doesn't have any crazy stories just you with blood all over your toes with scratches on your arm you lost a pair of glasses yeah yeah you got a stretch on your v-neck that's if V I know what a v-neck is you've still got your dead mother's blood on your chest right now I've been doing this [ __ ] for 12 years man I've dealt with a hardest gangsters in Flagler County and when these dudes find out that their mother passes away or their family member they react you you're just in here Stone Cold like you don't give a [ __ ] about anything I'm telling you she's not dead she is dead do you think that I just find guys and tell them that their mother's dead when she's not she raised you and you killed her yeah that's exactly what happened what kind of person [ __ ] stabs their own mother in the [ __ ] back huh a piece of [ __ ] a complete [ __ ] psychopath and then to blame it on your [ __ ] dad you're [ __ ] sick you can't even look at me in the [ __ ] eyes staring at the ground like a little [ __ ] [ __ ] cuz you can't [ __ ] tell me what you did you see this look at this that's the local paper it says man stabs and kills woman on Palm Coast H Lane yeah come on man all of a sudden now all of a sudden now you're in your feelings if a Masked Man shows up at a house to kill somebody guess what they already have with them a weapon that's right you knew it so why didn't that guy have a weapon the only answer is because that guy doesn't exist let it out man it's going to eat you alive tell me what happened it was an accident it was an accident I didn't mean to you didn't mean to that was the hardest part right there how did it happen she was she was going to going to kick me out we had an argument mhm there was a knife on the counter I panicked I just reached for it it just happened where did where did you where did you cut her the neck I think okay I don't hate her you don't hate her no I just kept stabbing you just kept stabbing she tried to get away so I grabbed her she got outside and then just she just bled out it was horrible I just was her I you think I hit her in the [ __ ] chular she just BL out how many times do you think you a lot a lot it didn't help that the the dogs they're they're stupid they went after her you just got a preg me there's no B exist they forgive me for what I did can you stand up for my friend Nathaniel was booked into jail and charged on one count of second deegree murder he quickly entered a plea of not guilty the state later increased the charge to first-degree murder and he was held in jail with no bond his attorney proposed that as an individual diagnosed with autism he should be allowed to have a mental health professional present with him at all interviews the attorney even attempted to prohibit the entire recorded interrogation and confession from evidence as they claimed it was not admissible in court in 2020 he finally entered a plea of no contest and was sentenced to 50 years in prison followed by a lifetime of probation Nathaniel will be 72 years old when he finally sees the light of day 3 years later he appealed his conviction and tried blaming the murder of his mother on his assortment of mental health problems such as ADHD Oppositional Defiant Disorder and possible Aspergers he even blamed mosquito control for utilizing a high-pitch Soundwave on the morning of the killing which ultimately agitated Nathan enough to stab his mother to death he claimed that he blacked out completely during the argument with his mom and the stabbing and that he doesn't remember anything the entire day besides being booked into jail this appeal was promptly denied do you you think Nathaniel should be let off the hook because of these extremely common mental health issues be sure to leave your opinion in the comments thank you for watching copcam Nation be sure to like And subscribe for more juicy [Music] content you're scared of the mystery man