On July 29th, 2025, officers were called to Macy's for what seemed like a routine employee theft case. A trusted Macy's manager thought he found the perfect loophole, quietly refunding stolen merchandise for cash. Ronald is a He's in my office inside. Hello. How are you? Good. Um he's in there. It's hard to say cuz he's in the back. And so, he's actually a manager. Um Yeah, he's a he's a manager that's been with the company for a while. So, he's been collecting refund for you know, um taking merchandise from the floor, refunding returning it, and taking the cash. He's in the back office. Um All right. So, how how long has he been doing this? Um from the statement I'm dating right now, my my senior investigator's there with him right now, and he admitted to to have been doing it since January. The total was like 2,000. 2,000? And when's the last time he's done it? Um I I have the paperwork there. I'm just starting to step um type up the statement right now. Okay. All right. So, is he just he's just refunding it? Basically, he's he's I have no proof of purchase. So, he's picking up merchandise from the selling floor and doing it as a return as a no proof of purchase and taking the cash. He's he's taking the cash. Okay. [snorts] Okay. All right. All right. Yeah, yeah, I got it. All right. Last time he's done >> [clears throat] [groaning] >> Do you want me to step out? Uh well, we we have to talk to I think you first or somebody else. What's going on? Okay. I didn't know if [clears throat] you talked to somebody. >> We we did. We just need a little bit more information on this stuff, and then we can Okay. So, this is Dermadot. He goes by Ronald. Um he is a manager here at the store. Okay. Um and I came in to discuss with him today some things that were going on in the store. Okay. And that involved him processing some fraudulent returns in order to take the cash. He found himself in a in a spiraling financial situation. Okay. Um where he needed cash, and so it's about 20 $2,239.08. Okay. Um and it has happened since this year, starting in January. In January? Okay. Yeah. All right. Um Do you know the most about what's going on? Daisy is doing the affidavit. Okay. All right. Um Are you all are you are you all done with him or >> Yes. >> Okay. Um I can step out if you would like to >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll talk to him for a minute. Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. All right, boss. So, I got to read you your rights. Yeah. Your rights so you know your rights as a person, okay? Before I ask you some questions. You have the right to remain silent. Do you understand? Yes. Anything you say may be used against you in court. Do you understand? Yes. You have the right to talk to a lawyer before and during questionings. Do you understand? Yes. If you cannot afford a lawyer and want one, one will be provided for you before questioning without charge. Do you understand? >> Yes. Has anyone threatened you or promised you anything to get you to talk to me? No. Okay. So, what's been what's going on? Uh went through a little few issues at home, and uh I took cash from the store. Okay. How long have you been doing this for? The beginning of the year. And what's the beginning of the time frame? January or February. Okay. So, you've been doing it for since January till till now? >> Yeah. Okay. How how how how are you doing it exactly? You were just taking cash from the cash register? Yeah, just do a return and just kept the cash. >> Okay. So, you you would do the returns >> Yeah. the so the All right. Okay. And what why? I was going through just a lot of financial issues, and I kind of lost my place, and you know, that's um It was just a downward spiral. Someone involved in my house, and then I I you know, you was wrong, but you was just this or that, you know, your options. So, it was poor decision. When was the last time you actually did it? Probably 2 weeks ago. 2 weeks ago? Yeah. Got you. >> [snorts] >> All right. How long have you been working here? Uh yeah, 3 years. >> 3 years? 3 years? You've been here for a while. And you're a manager. Yeah. How long have you been a manager? 3 years? Yeah, cuz I came from New York. So, you can nice talk. Okay. All right. All right. All right. I got to ask you some stuff. It's just again, poor decision making. I'm sorry. I'm responsible. All right. Where where are you living right now? Um I'm Maspeth. Maspeth? Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. Um give me a second. Um I'm going to see what's going on. Mhm. Um You gave us your ID already? Everything? All right. Um was this mostly clothing items that you were doing? Yeah. Okay. And you said since January, February time frame. All right. I want to talk to him real quick. You stay here. >> [snorts] >> What part of New York you from, man? Queens. Queens? I used to work in Queens. Yeah. I moved down here last year. Yeah, I moved down a couple of many years ago, 4 years ago, and then just to change and just things just The money flow is different, man. Yeah. I mean Um Uh grand theft And what else? Um with him being an employee larceny. So, what are we doing? They like fraud but what what charge would that be? Yeah. fraud He's admitted to the fraud. admitted to the fraud >> Yes. Okay. How do you look at this statute? We're going to charge both. Um usually the older guy gets the grand theft and the other six. Okay. So, but we're still charging both. The evidence is stealing stealing and defrauding the company. He admitted to doing it multiple times. Okay. So, So, to confirm We're moving in the car for now, and then we're going to just stay here. Okay. All right. I'll hold on to this right here. Yeah. Hey, Demarcus, can you do me a favor and just stand up for me? Okay. Give me your card. Give me your card here. Okay. This key that's on the chair, is that yours or is it company's? Um mine. Okay. We'll grab it. We'll grab it. We'll grab it. Cuz we got to get your ID and your card. Don't worry. All right. So, right now, we're going to place him under arrest. That's grand theft and also criminal mischief and fraud. Uh Macy's they do want to press charges on him, okay? Is this your phone? >> Yeah. Okay. We'll take it also. Okay. Do you have any cash on you or anything? No. So, we got the key, your phone, and what's in your back pocket, okay? Yep. I'm going to take this. All right. You got another set of keys right here. You got anything else on you? All right. You got this. Already sent to the next one. Okay. Yep. I'll try and knock on it. >> [groaning] >> You got anything in your pockets? Um just my wallet. No, I don't know. Um Just my wallet. Is there somebody you want to call? Somebody you Hey, where's your car at? Um right by the building. Do you have anybody that can pick up your car? Yeah. Okay. I'll see if they'll allow it if they can come and pick up your car. Mhm. So, I don't know if it's going to get towed or not. We'll see what they're going to do with it. All right? Is that okay? And I'll let you I'll let you call home. All right. But let me go make sure that Where where's the car parked? It's on the ground. It's a Chevy what? >> It's a Chevy. Is there a tag on it? I think the tag is there. Let me take a picture. I'll do a security and call them down. All right. All right. And then you're hopefully going to be out tomorrow. Just come by or have someone pick up your car. I'll just do me a favor. Let's just keep working inside. Hey, take take All this got to come out. All this got to come out. This whole Yep. All right. All right. Yeah, put the whole thing in. Is the blazer too? Uh no, the blazer's down there. It's on the table. Okay. Um I don't know if they're going to let you take this in the jail because it's considered a deadly weapon. Huh? I think I think is They'll take out of your Yeah. I'm in. Yeah. It's going to come out anyway. You won't be able to take this idea with you, you know, okay? What is Watch your head. He was charged with scheme to defraud. Do you think the pressure he faced justifies his actions, or was this a line that should never be crossed? Drop your thoughts below, and don't forget to like and subscribe for more real body cam stories. >> [music]