That's correct. >> Get on the ground. Get on the ground. >> I got I got hands. I got hands. >> I'm part of this. You hear me? I'm sorry. I'm not a health care. >> Yeah, I'm good, bro. >> He's looking at my arm. >> Relax, bro. Relax. 45? Just check it. Stand up. >> And I rear-ended her, and then I saw the two subjects running. You got the whole 10-30? >> Yeah. >> Just make sure you get the small end. You got it. >> Ma'am, are you okay? >> I'm okay. >> Okay. Uh, we'll get a crash report done for you, too, okay? And obviously, I'm sure I think you know what what happened with this car. So, but we >> Yeah, I saw it getting all the way, and I knew it was going to hit me. I was like, I don't have time for this. >> What you just watched is the end of it. A man face down in a parking lot on North Main and a wrecked car back at the intersection behind him. To understand how he got there, you have to go back about half an hour to a sandwich shop across town that had been open roughly 90 minutes, where one employee was working alone in the back making bread for the day. >> Um, [clears throat] so you opened the store by yourself? And uh, about what time did you get here? >> 5:00 >> 50? >> 15. 15. >> Okay. And um what were you doing when all of this happened? >> Um I was making bread. So just a normal morning? >> Morning breakfast stuff? Okay. So you're like right here in this area? Okay. And um indoors or outdoors? >> We guys are open at the time. Okay. And we open at 8:00 a.m. >> Okay. And so tell me what happened. >> Um to start off, before he even entered the building, I did notice his vehicle just making loops in the certain area of the parking lot or whatever. Went around and it seemed to be something weird and then like he drove that way, right here in front of the car wash, and then backed up like halfway into the parking spot, and then he slowly just took off. >> Yeah. >> And I thought it was weird or whatever. >> [music] >> And then later on when I making the bread, I did see right down here a black Bolt and I looked back and So I backed around and backed up to that Um and at that point I noticed like someone in the passenger seat who was small and short. It was about 7:00 in the morning. Red. He decides to walk in. Hoodie over his face. All I see is about this much red. Um said hello to him. Didn't really say much and then pulled out the weapon. Opened it. And things start making a watery tossed the bag at me and then flashed the gun, pointed it at me for a brief 1 second, 2 seconds, and then he put it back into the the jacket. What's that for? >> And then he okay. >> Not quote me on anything. Yeah, you know what to do. Put the money in the bag, etc. So, he spent a couple of minutes fiddling with the computer. It's just basically like Walmart and At that point, he finally got the register open. Just throwing the tens, the fives, the ones, whatever was in the register. The side of the hole into the bag. I also have to our change bag, which generally carries like $20 in it. Just throwing the bag as well, just with anyone. Come back on the side. He throws the side sticker at me. Um at that point, if you remember correctly, he uh told me do not do anything. Do not call. Do not call the police until like 10 seconds after I'm gone. And then at that point, he opens the door right here, and then he starts to um wipe down the door handle. Where his finger prints would have first opened it. >> So, on the outside? Okay. >> At that point, he got to his car, drove off in the car. That's all I saw. >> Okay. And do you guys have like a panic button or a >> And as soon as >> As soon as he was gone, I hit the panic button right by the register and pulled out my phone and instantly called 911. >> Can you describe him to me like other than >> Uh, very tall, thin, slender. So, he's about like 6'1, 6'2. Um, he was wearing a black graphic hoodie with like something graphic on the shirt. Uh, I didn't really notice his shoes or anything. And then, when it comes to his face, >> New Mexico law draws a hard line here. Taking property is theft. Taking it from a person by force or by threat of force is robbery. And when a firearm is displayed while it happens, the charge becomes armed robbery under Section 30-16-2. The gun does not have to be fired. It does not even have to be loaded. Showing it is enough because the law measures the threat from the position of the person facing it. >> Why rugged. He definitely had a mustache. Probably colored eyes. >> Do you remember if he was wearing a short sleeve? >> I believe he was wearing a >> [music] >> So, he had the foot on his video. >> Yeah. >> Where did he pull the gun from? >> Um, so he had a jacket with the pepper spray in the front first. So, basically pulled it out a bit real quick, flashed it at me, pointed it at me, and then put it back. >> And do you remember he pulled it out with his right hand or left hand? Right. So, he flashed it at you, pointed it at you, and then threw the bag at you and said basically said he knew what to do. >> Pretty much. Threw the bag first and then threw the change >> Um, and you said it's just like a basic plastic bag. Yeah. And then you threw the change bag at them as well because you were afraid he'd come back for just eight bucks. >> So, who is in that car? The driver is a man from Mississippi passing through Las Cruces with his girlfriend. He has a prior charge for drugs and nothing on his record for force. By the time this drive is over, he will be facing two felonies and the more serious of the two carries a second-degree penalty on a first offense. The officer behind him does not know any of that yet. All he has is a description of plate and a car that will not pull over. >> I'm okay. >> All right. >> Shaking up a >> Uh, yeah. This what three's are doing. You can just walk up. >> Two of them ran that way. >> them all detained. So, they're robbery suspects from a robbery that happened at the Subway. I I just want to make sure you're all right. >> I'm okay. I'm okay. >> All right. Um, what happened when they got out? >> They just ran. The guy grabbed his bag and the lady ran this way and they both He went that way. He grabbed the bag out of the car and took off and she ran this way. >> Okay. >> And I saw it coming. I was like, "No, don't hit me." >> Yeah, we had broken off way up the hill because they were driving all sorts of crazy. >> I see channel one and channel 10. >> Yeah, so they they were burning down here, so I just I backed off. I guess it's >> And they're not going to have insurance, right? >> All right, let me go talk to my sergeant. >> Can I use my phone to call my husband? >> Go ahead. You're good now. Thank you. I just didn't want anybody else to be in the car with the gun, so that's why I asked you to get over here. Thank you. So as I got to like the Lowe's, I saw this silver or that black this car flip around and go eastbound on Main. And then when I went to stop it there he got onto the on-ramp. He had like four lanes of traffic. He got onto the on-ramp and we started going north. As soon as I lit him up about a mile from the uh the DA exit, the DA exit, he just burned across the median and took off. And the traffic was light. We just uh we're doing like 110 max, light traffic. Then as soon as we got here to this on-ramp, uh there was kind of traffic, so I just said I'm I'm going to break off. I was about to, but he was he was The whole time he was about I don't know if away from me? And then as soon as uh uh So Main and three crosses or the the >> So then as soon as they as soon as they took off doing all sorts of passing everybody. They almost 45 bad at Trivista Main. And that's when I turned my sirens off and uh and slowed down. I I kept my lights on because there was a ton of traffic and I wanted to push through the traffic. Um but initially I turned them off. Once I had no visual of it anymore, I put my overheads back on. Made it through traffic. >> Officers locate the car on the interstate. What follows is the part the public argues about most. New Mexico charges aggravated fleeing when a driver refuses to stop and drives in a way that endangers other people. Notice what the officer decides here. Traffic thickens and he backs off and turns his siren down. A pursuit is a judgment call made in seconds and the standard he is applying is whether continuing puts everyone else on that road at risk. >> It just does pattern on the on the front of this one. >> They're over there. >> It was a lady and a guy. >> We have both of them detained. They're over there by the China Express. So those are them. They were in this in this vehicle. Copy. >> She was the the driver. She was the passenger. >> All right. As soon as it flipped around he Main in front of me I was like I know that's And they were doing 60 mph on Main Street. So I was like I know this is bad. So I'm sitting there the whole time just waiting waiting waiting just waiting for just waiting for it. But we were >> No, I think I did your job for you. I stopped >> [laughter] >> them. >> There you go. >> I want to say we're going to write you up for a >> letter of commendation. Do you happen to have your driver's license registration? >> Go ahead and pull over. >> Shoot it. >> Don't want it to fly away. >> No, we got you. >> Hey, there's a fire on here. I said there's a fire on here. >> Okay. >> All right, dude. We're well aware of it. >> First one's going to be the Illinois. >> By now, the arrest is over and the paperwork has started. What follows is the part of these recordings that rarely gets shown. Two people sitting in a car, waiting, talking honestly about how any of this works. Listen for what he says about the last time he told the truth to someone in authority because he brings it up again later in a room with a detective and it explains almost everything about how he answers her. >> What we we can't tell you is that people that generally are honest and it's and and it's sincere, there's not only benefit for them in the long run, maybe for going to jail in their sentencing, but just for you in general, dude. The biggest reason why people end up back in this room over and over again cuz you know what they do? They come in here, "No, I'm good. I know how it worked last time. I told you the truth and nothing changed." Cuz they're expecting you to be truthful for them to change your situation with the stuff they just did. That's not what That's not what coming in this room does. You know what I'm saying? You have to accept that change and you have to actually do stuff to to make it better for yourself. And if you're not being truthful about it now, who's to say you're not going to try to get help later to help yourself get out of this hole you're in? This is what it is. I mean, you had a very in-depth conversation about a lot of things earlier, okay? And that was just me and you just chatting. It had nothing to do with this case, right? I honestly the whole time you had decent conversation. >> Yeah. >> I'll talk to anybody, dude. I'll talk to freaking anybody. I don't We're both human beings, dude. That does That's not going to change, okay? So, that's what I will tell you. Do I trust you? Absolutely, 100%. >> Yeah. >> Okay? And I'm not just telling you that just to tell you cuz >> you are. >> Okay? Um >> Nothing to be agreed on. I think y'all understand that people get themselves in boats. >> All the time. All the Dude, that's all we deal with all day long, okay? I know I don't know what your experience is and I'm not I'm not stepping on anybody's toes, okay? But I I think that the the perception is what's misread of from a lot of people. Cuz they see, "Yeah, I gave them information and it looks like they came down harder on me cuz I told them." Okay? Maybe so, right? Okay? Yeah, maybe so. I don't know what your I can't tell you what your experience is. The only person who knows that is the the other people involved in you. Okay? I can only speak for myself. And I'm not We're not There's no point in sitting here and trying to sugarcoat something for something it's not. >> No, right. >> Okay? Dude, us going as far as just even getting you a cigarette, that's going I mean, I know it's a small token, but most of the time we don't tell people, "No, you're not smoking. It's a no-smoking zone." And I'm not I'm not going to try to work it out for you. You You did something you shouldn't have and why am I trying to accommodate you? >> I could tell that earlier when you were >> Hey. There's no cigarettes in there? Okay, I'll go with Charlie and we'll get him one. Thanks, dude. >> This should be We What is a weed ball right here? I keep lighting them between the breaks. >> Uh you can It's It's recreational. >> So, it's all right. >> I mean, there's certain areas you can't just like be sitting wherever in town and splo blowing it. Yeah, spark up and blowing it in a freaking like a kid sit next to you. >> Yeah, big time. >> There's There's certain areas, there's restrictions, um but it's Dude, it's it's honestly it's like cigarettes right now. I mean, in all honesty, if we tried to enforce everybody everybody would go into jail. >> Do you think it's better now that the weed's legal out here for crime >> I don't think that I think crime's gotten worse. >> Why is that? >> Just in general. And I don't know if it's related to that, but I can tell you that it's it's it's another thing that I have to deal with now. I'll tell you that. Okay, do I agree with some stuff being medicinal? I mean, on on the real, me and you, I think it can be it's been proven to be beneficial in a medicinal use for a lot of reasons, but but the problem is this is the problem is that people are getting addicted that are drug users, and now it's just an easier drug to get. >> Yeah, and >> And and they're getting it legally and then selling it illegally. >> Yeah. Well, see, there's like been talk of menus where you make like a rabbit menu. >> It's it's >> rabbit and you make a little menu on it, right? >> It's it's written >> And then you go home and you you get people who message you all day long. They're like, "Hey, can I order this kind of menu?" And then there's people that go order it from the dispensary. >> Sure. >> Ship it out. >> Yeah. I would I would have done that. Hey brother, would you be able to bring that cigarette? Okay. Sorry, dude. I I didn't want to stop what you were doing. I feel bad. All right, I appreciate you, dude. I'm just going to this meet me if you can. You just want to meet me in the interview and then I'll bring him out to the courtyard and let him smoke it real quick. Cool. Thanks, dude. Bye. >> Oh, I don't think the weed is the weed that it used to be like. I mean, 15% was high as like THC was >> Oh, man, it's it's crazy. Stuff you buy at the dispensaries is like crazy. >> And people are getting high on it now and they're getting this like level of paranoia >> It's totally it's a it's a whole another And it's not it's not it's not it's cuz that's the problem. It's not just weed. >> In the interview room, the detective draws a distinction that matters. He is detained, not under arrest, and she reads him his rights anyway before asking a single question. Those rights are not all or nothing. A person can answer some questions and refuse others and can stop at any point even after starting. He chooses to talk. In a few minutes you will watch someone else given the same rights make the opposite choice. >> Are we comfortable? >> Um, so my name is Detective Della O. And I just want to chat with you a little bit about what happened. Um, but since you're detained and brought here in handcuffs, I just have to advise you want to know your rights. Being detained doesn't mean you're under arrest or anything right now. You're just detained. But you know how that looks, so. So, um, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. If you Oh, you can decide at any time to exercise your rights and not make any statements or answer my questions. Having those rights in mind, do you mean you understand all of them, Robert? Okay. Having those rights in mind, do you want to chat with me a little bit about what happened? >> Yeah, you can I don't have to answer, right? >> You don't have to answer. You can answer the questions that you want to answer. >> Yeah, you can answer what you want. >> Okay. All right. So, just make sure that I have your information correctly, Robert. And how do you spell your last name? Okay. And your date of birth? What is your current address right now? Okay. So, in in Mississippi? Okay. So, you guys just in Las Cruces passing through or you know somebody here? >> Uh, somebody told us to go in this direction from Mississippi, but we're just passing through. >> Okay. >> We checked into the hotel and then um >> Um, I mean, it helps you saying that she has no clue and if you're being sincere about that >> I would >> Okay. Okay. And I mean, I understand if you guys are >> What am I even charged with? >> out here Um >> How armed is it? >> It's not armed? >> No, is it? Like what's my charges here? >> It it would be armed robbery. That's what I'm looking at because there's I mean, let's just be honest. There's surveillance and >> There's no violence. >> It shows it. >> I'm serious. >> Yeah, I mean, that that's that's what's depicted in the in the video, okay? >> What's the bail look like for >> Right now, the way in the state of New Mexico it works is initially, yeah, you have no bond until you see the judge. And then the judge um it's >> Fine. >> It I mean, it's it's based on whatever the judge the judge will kind of look at your history and I understand that you don't have like a a big history. You have like a >> drug charge >> Yeah, drug >> I got a felony for like 39 g of weed. So, I can't say that. >> Okay. Um Yeah, so I mean New Mexico is pretty liberal. So, okay. So, uh >> I just don't want my life to be thrown away. I mean, I'm being real. >> I'm sorry. >> I don't want my life to be thrown away, but I don't want my family to go. >> Okay. Kind of kind of on your own trying to make it on your own. >> Yeah, I'm by myself. >> Okay. So, you have like no no parents, no brothers, sisters or >> and they don't talk to me and they don't want to deal with me. They stopped taking care of me when I was 17. >> Okay. >> So, I just want to be >> Just trying to do whatever you can to make ends meet then, huh? >> No, I don't agree with that. What's going on? How come you and I I was a busher for about 4 years. Okay. >> All right. So, do you want to talk at all about what happened at the Subway? I mean, I I'm not >> I'm not I'm not trying I know I know you're not trying to throw me under I'm just trying to think. >> I know >> through Subway sexy withdrawals. I don't even know what those are. >> Wait, what what with what? >> Subway sex You know what that is? Suboxone. >> Okay. >> Um so, that's really what's on my hands at right now. It's hard to even like think. >> When was the last time you had them? >> Yeah. I mean, we'll definitely get you up to the hospital, okay? Um >> Um, how incriminating am I going to be if I talk to you about this? I mean, obviously >> Okay, so yeah, uh obviously we we know what happened. Adult to adult, just like you said earlier. >> you know what I'm here for, so >> Yeah. So, I'm not going to try and BS you and, you know, play dumb and act like I don't know what happened. I know what happened, you know what happened. Um the thing that can help you though is if you're just completely honest and forthcoming, I can take the case to the District Attorney's Office and say, "Hey, you know what? Yes, this guy screwed up, he made a mistake, but he was remorseful, he laid it all out there for me." >> of a deal do you think I can get? I want to get out of here because obviously I'm not trying to do anything with this and get away with the rest of my life, but I I don't know. I have never in my life bought something like this before. >> Yeah, so uh like getting back to what I was saying, you know, if I can take this case to the DA's office and say, "Yeah, you know what? He was He was honest with me, he made a mistake." I am that kind of person and I will talk to the District Attorney's Office when they come to me and say, "Hey, okay, we have this case, what do you think?" >> The city they like to do that and then I mean, I'm a felon for 39 g of weed. You know what happened was I got pulled over, officer the guy didn't even call so they just said, "Here you go." So, all right, come with me, took me to jail. When I went to court, the judge asked me, "Can you pass a piss test?" I said, "No, I'm going to take the chance to be honest with you." He hollered at me, "You're always supposed to be honest in court." I'm seeing the lines in his whole time. I said, "No, sir, but I can't pass that. Take him to jail." Took me to jail. And when I got to jail, I filed the weed anyway. Came back, he said, "I'm taking away your adjudication privileges because you did a little stunt in the courtroom." I genuinely think I was being honest. And that's what got me That's why I'm wearing the scary Yeah, but like I really I hate all of this at this point. >> I mean, you You have any violent charges or anything like that in your criminal history. Okay, you just have the drug charges, right? Right. Okay, so they'd look at you as a first-time violent offender. Okay, I mean cuz it's considered a violent crime. >> It is. >> Um but like I said, it's your first offense. Um you don't have a criminal history here in New Mexico. You cooperate with them and you're open and honest and you know, I can't make you any promises, but >> Will I get a chance to talk to you again if I want to? >> If you want to, you you you can reach out to me, yeah. >> If I say no, what happens? >> you my contact information. Um then I just have to charge you based on what I've seen. >> What are the charges going to be? >> Um armed robbery, aggravated fleeing law enforcement. I mean, those are the two big ones. >> What are the bails on them? >> No bail right now. No bonds. And like I said, that what once you go before the judge, the judge is the one who decides what the bond is, so I can't even tell you what the judge would say. >> So regardless, I got to sit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. All right, just a quick question. If I talk to you, can I get a cigarette? >> Yeah. >> You're starting to pull my nerves. >> I know. >> You seem like a nice lady. I just don't know if I should trust you, I'm being honest. >> I mean, that that's >> being rude. >> That's understandable, you know, I'm >> I really just [ __ ] up. >> Did you uh have any any drugs, drug paraphernalia, anything on you in the car, anything like that that I need to know about? >> You need to tell me, huh? You got to do this. >> I mean, that's the big thing in the end. >> That's what I do all the live wire. >> Okay, let let's say this. Say you had gotten away with it, you know, the were chasing you and by by luck by luck you did get away and you were able to leave the state. What would happen after that? Would you think, I just got away with it, so let me let me do it again? That's what we don't want to happen. >> had no money left. I had no where to stay. I've been homeless before. >> Did you guys just like sleep in the car last night? >> No, we had hotel rooms. >> Okay. >> I'm not going to say where. And then >> Just have to fill it out a little. And I just wanted you to see where we're at a little bit. But before we get to that, um since you're right here in your cuffs and and you're being detained right now, you're not charged, you're not under arrest or anything like that, but um because you are detained, you know, I brought I had you brought here um and I'm going to ask you specific questions. I need to advise you of your Miranda rights, okay? So, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to talk to a lawyer and have him present with you while you're being questioned. If you cannot afford to hire a lawyer, one will be appointed to represent you before any questioning if you wish. You can decide at any time to exercise these rights and not make any statements. You understand all those rights? Okay. Um So, having those rights in mind, do you want to talk to me about what happened today? No? Okay. Whatever. >> This is a good one. >> Yeah, probably that's probably going to be it. >> Huh? This is a good one. Oh. >> Okay, there's a gun in the hoodie that I was looking for, so I'm going to wait till he gets out. Okay. Is that a gun? Yeah. >> What is that? >> It'll be >> So, it's not like anybody. Yeah, and he pointed the muzzle at me. >> He asked the detective what talking would cost him. He had already lived through one answer to that question. Whether being honest helped him or hurt him is something a court decided later. What would you have done in that room? Let us know in the comments. Subscribe for more cases like this one. >> That's right.