If a person were to ask me the one state to pick to not commit a crime out of all 50, I would likely say Arkansas if you look at the body cams that I review. But time and time again, people continue to try to commit crimes in Arkansas, and I'm going to show you three of the videos as to why I would say Arkansas is definitely a state that you do not want to try to pull a fast one on the police. [music] This is one of those. >> How much video you have? >> It just smells like it. >> In policing, we have a term, you've heard me use it before, it's called JDLR. Just don't look right. And it's not an official term, and it's not legally significant in any matter. However, officers during car stops or interacting with people, sometimes we get a sense and it just doesn't look right. And sometimes it's an odor that comes from a vehicle that just doesn't smell right. And sometimes it's the story between the occupants of the vehicle that just doesn't sound right. And through our investigation, many times the JDLR works into a very good case where you recover illegal pharmaceuticals and legal firearms. This is one of those. >> Hey, how's it going? Hey, my name's Trooper Branscum. I'm with Arkansas State Police. You doing good? Do you have a driver's license? All right. Is this your vehicle? Do you have your rental agreement? Yeah, it looks like it. Louis Saint So, I'm making contact with you for following too close, okay? Try to maintain a bigger distance when you're driving, all right? Yeah, no, yeah, you sneak up on a car. Is that's going on? >> It's a new like generation, so it'd be like slowing down if >> If you're like slowing down if you get to Yeah. Yeah. Rental agreement is up. Who's a Julian Louis? >> Uh that's that's who the rental name is, but I he got it for me. >> Oh, okay. I got you. Who is he? >> He's my He's my uncle. >> Your uncle? Okay. You from Illinois? What part? >> Austin, Illinois. >> Where's that at about? Okay, so it's just right up Okay. I got you. >> Okay, it sounds like and looks like we have a vehicle that's occupied about two times. Positioning is very important because you're focused now on two people. So, your positioning has got to be incredibly safe. And I've never been a fan of this leaning in on the windows, although I notice that a lot of troopers do that and I've been told that they train in that manner. It's going to be different than what you'll see a lot of the city cops do, but the positioning is something that I'll definitely mention. And when I say positioning for new viewers, there's a B pillar. Sitting behind that B pillar gives you the tactical advantage where your reaction is going to be buffered and enhanced because of the fact that a person has to swing all the way around to try to do something to you and observe you. >> Uh all right, well, let me have your back real quick. Come over to my car. Ain't got no shoes on. Oh, and then it looks like you did. Go ahead and come over to my my own window. That window. >> I want to talk about something. Okay, I want you to watch here how intently she watches the driver step out of the vehicle. I mean, like laser focused on to what he's doing. That's good stuff. Important that you focus because you don't want to encounter an armed person as you meet at the rear of the vehicle. Interesting thing is I noticed that she elected not to conduct a pat down. She felt that it was not necessary. Her stop, and I will say this again and again. And I don't know that I necessarily would have done a pat down. However, I'm a super lean into patting people down, and you can judge for yourself what you see if you would feel that there could be a weapon concealed on that person and your reasoning why you would [music] want to conduct a pat down on them, but it's something that I'll mention. >> You having a good day? >> Yes, ma'am. >> So, you want to buy me some lunch? So, if it smells like chicken in here, that's why. >> Yeah, that's where we just stopped. >> Oh, did you? >> Going to visit my grandma. She She's not doing so well. >> Oh, she's not? Sorry to hear that. >> So, just so you understand the configuration of what's going on, this little camera view that we have at the top shows that we have the driver seated right next to the trooper. So, they're seated side by side. Amongst the normal concerns that I have under a circumstance like that, especially if a person hasn't been patted down, is that when we look at this vehicle that's in front of us where the other occupant is, they see that the person is inside the car and could they potentially interpret that that uh-oh, now we're in even more trouble? Don't know. Just things to think about. And I know that this trooper has been mentioned to me many, many times and I've seen her in other videos and she knows her stuff, for sure. So, this is not to speak disparagingly of her. This is just to share observations and things that I believe can be alternate methods that we can make the tool belt even bigger. >> So, [music and snorts] where'd you rent it at? >> Um Oklahoma. >> Sir, do you live in Oklahoma? >> No, he live in Oklahoma. >> Okay. Who lives in Oklahoma? >> I think my uncle. >> Okay. So, he lives in Oklahoma and he rented it there? >> Yeah, he rented it there. >> Okay. >> I I really just like I I've been going through it last so I just moved with him and he just like taking care of me. >> Okay, so that's how you've been over there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you've been You've been over there and basically now you are going to visit You said grandma? >> My grandma, yes. She's She's not doing good right now. I just want to see her like before they even do all the machines hooked up. >> 100% I understand. Are you going to Where are you going to go visit her at? >> I'm going to West Memphis. >> Okay. >> Oklahoma, Arkansas, Memphis. Is that illegal? No, it's not. But does it raise some questions? Potentially, especially since Oklahoma is a well-known grow state. And again, is that illegal? No, but it's just information that's going to be pieced together the trooper is going to likely think about or any investigator. >> Last name William. >> Um, first name William, last >> First name, okay. >> Morgan. >> And these these licenses are weird. Like uh They're just different. >> All right, it was >> Every Every state's different. But yeah, this one's this one's different. Uh I'm on a 10-24. >> Go ahead. >> He's found about 79. It's going to be out of Texas. Victor Boy Young, 60-21. And I got a 10-54 when you're ready. >> That's all right. >> It's going to be out of Illinois. Last name Morgan. First name William. Date of birth is going to be So, how long have you been in uh Oklahoma for? >> Uh like a week now. It's all right. I don't really do >> You're like it's for the birds. >> Yeah, it's like dry. >> Yeah, I got you. Um Just Just out of uh Just out of curiosity, how much do y'all have? >> You know why you say we have >> Cuz it smells like it. >> Uh I don't >> Do you have some in in like personal use? >> Yeah, but I didn't smoke at all. >> Okay. Do you have a little bit of personal use? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. You think you got rid of it? >> I I I didn't smoke it all though cuz I left like at I'd say 10. >> Does your brother smoke? >> Cigarettes. >> Okay. Okay. All right. Let me have you up against the wall real quick. Check your seat real quick. quick? >> Okay, she's really sharp. I don't know if you caught what she did, but she didn't ask if you have. She said, "How much?" So, the affirmative is assumed. Just tell me how much. It's really, really good tactic. Good on her. Sharp. Good stuff. >> How's it going, boss man? Hey, so where are you coming from? Oklahoma. Okay, when did y'all get over there? This morning? I got you. Sleeping? I got you. >> No, right now I'm ready to go. >> Uh where are y'all going? >> To a hotel. >> Who? Okay, let me have y'all out real quick. >> I want to stop real quick. It looks like the guy in the backseat is doing something down by his feet. Not sure if he is or not, but it looks like he is. >> Come on, beard. Go that way. >> I mean, while we get out. >> Yeah, come on. Real quick. You ain't got no weapons on you, do you? >> No, I don't. >> Nothing on you? >> Uh-uh. >> Okay. >> Hey. >> One second. >> Oh, he said he ain't got nothing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, man. >> Definitely the TAC bond final boss. That's a TAC bond for the ages. Good stuff. Okay, I want to stop right here. Something I definitely want to cover. We have two un-handcuffed suspects that we likely believe something's going on. No significant pat-down and we're alone. Now, while I think that the command presence of the trooper is supreme, there are some challenges with having un-handcuffed, non-patted down people inside of the vehicle and we're doing a search alone. And now with our head inside the vehicle, there's a lot of different things that can happen. We've seen so many slip cuffs and a whole bunch of other things that can occur. So, something to take note of. Again, it's not lost on me that this is the choice that this trooper chose to make and I've seen her operate before in videos. She knows her stuff. From a tactical perspective, I have some challenges with that situation. >> They said we smell like >> Therefore >> I don't know what he's talking about. It smells like dope. It's a nice smell. >> So, let me just talk briefly about cuffing a person and when you choose to cuff people. There are some officers that right off the jump, if they get a JDL R and they get the person out of the car, click, click, they're going to put them in restraints. Because especially if they're outnumbered at a scene and they're conducting searches and things like that. From an investigative perspective, they can create some challenges, especially if you're starting to ask questions, then you're going to definitely feel like this might be a custodial interrogation. So, there are a lot of different things that officers think about as to why they may or may not cuff a person under the circumstances. There's so many variables that come into this. I'm just stating reasons why a person might want to utilize handcuffs prior and just to be super careful about the pat-downs. So, if we look here, this was inside of the vehicle when we're up at the vehicle. And officers encounter this kind of stuff all of the time. This just exemplifies another one of the situations of danger in policing that these subjects had the access to this as we're approaching vehicles. >> Take it again. >> There's something I definitely like to mention cuz I watch a lot of videos and I've been doing it for a long time as far as watching videos and seeing things in situations where they turned out to be a use of force and deadly force and with an officer, I look at how long it takes for the backup unit to arrive. And is it sometimes a better option to just wait till backup gets there before we engage in a whole bunch of different things, especially if the securing of the people that we have is not behind their back or we're outnumbered. Is it a better practice potentially wait? And from what I'm looking at this video in its entirety [music] is about 30 minutes. That's from the stop until when the backup arrives, it looks like it's about 15 minutes. That's in my opinion a reasonable amount of time to wait for a backup under some circumstances. I don't know under her circumstance. This is her stop, but something to definitely take [music] into consideration. It doesn't make you any less of a officer if you decide that you want [music] to wait for backup before you conduct a complex task like a search, especially under the circumstances [music] where you feel like you're dealing with people who might be involved in some kind of criminal activity. >> How do you get some light daylight that I had on before? I had true control that slowed down. I don't know what you talking about. I was talking about the light. you to slow down. I don't know what you talking about. I didn't do that. >> No, cuz uh you not supposed to you not supposed to be two feet away from the home. That's why I had that body. I guess she was in the body. Oh. But they like to put them in the back there. That man had a 50 on the grill. >> Hop out real quick. Stop. Now, I just want to make sure you don't have nothing in there. Not much. Turn around real quick. Let me look down. You ain't got nothing? Huh? You ain't got nothing else on you? What we talking? All right, take a seat. >> What's your neighbor? You there? All right, go ahead and go ahead >> We just noticed that she did a secondary pat down of the subject and asked if he had anything on him. Ideally, when we do the first pat down, we put handcuffs on the person and they're inside of our vehicle, we want to know from the beginning if they have anything on them. >> What you got a dog? Yeah, we not trying to know your business. They just only too much. Talking like I know he do not. She lying. I thought I got some weed. >> Huh? >> I thought I got some weed too. >> Nothing on the ground. Nothing over there. Nothing over there. All right, I got you. >> Mr. woman, are you a convicted felon? >> Yeah, I'm a felon. >> You are a felon? Arrived booking and it looks like this channel they really are very diligent about the information that they put in there. I pinned the original video [music] and there's a new story that's attached this. I'm going to read from the new story. Arkansas State Police Trooper stopped a white Mitsubishi for a traffic violation. During the search, 10 lb of high-grade illegal green stuff, a black out pistol and a Glock 30 with an aftermarket switch. And a switch makes a semi-automatic firearm automatic. That means one pull of the trigger. So, training firearm on a semi-automatic you have to pull the trigger each time for it to go. If a switch is on it, you pull it one time and all the rounds go out. You just pull it one time it makes it automatic. And those are illegal federally and in nearly every jurisdiction that I know of. In fact, what's interesting is I believe that I saw this trooper get another firearm with a switch on it before. So, she's really on point especially when it comes to investigations. That said, [music] charges for one of the men in the vehicle was perpetrating a crime with the machine gun, possession with intent to deliver, possession of paraphernalia, simultaneous possession of 10 firearms. And the other subject possession with intent to deliver, possession of paraphernalia, possession of firearms by a certain person and simultaneous possession of and firearms. Another great job by Arkansas State Troopers. I mean, these misdemeanor car stops, misdemeanors felonies. Take care of the misdemeanors and felonies take care of themselves. Off these misdemeanor car stops they're getting all these guns off the street. Who knows how many lives that potentially saved by getting those firearms, especially the one with the switch which makes it fully automatic. I've reviewed several Arkansas police body cam videos and it seems to run the gamut. But very rarely do I see an Arkansas State Trooper pull over an elderly woman, start questioning her and find a huge discovery inside of her car. >> Have you smoked in here? >> I don't want to say anything. >> Can I check it out real quick? >> Um >> I smell it. I'm going to anyway. Yeah, I got you a load. Might be 100, 200 lbs or >> I'm scared. >> In policing, some of the best cases that you make and some of the best crimes that you uncover happen by chance. Things that you weren't even looking for. Most people think of the term probable cause in the case when it happens by chance, I call it probable serendipity because sometimes when a person's committing a crime rolling down a highway, an officer just pulls in front of them. They commit an infraction and that misdemeanor car stop turns into a much bigger felony arrest. This is one of those. That is the feeling of dread where the officer's behind you and then you pull over to let them go by and they don't go by. They pull behind you. You know that you're about to get pulled over. >> Hey, Trooper Haislip. So, side place. Hey, I'm stopping you. An off-duty trooper was right behind you. Said you went over on the rumble strips. I was on the phone with him. Is everything okay? >> I'm good. I'm fine. >> Okay, you got your license on you? >> So, this is really interesting. An off-duty trooper sees the vehicle, calls it in and the officer makes the stop. I've made those calls before off-duty where you see a vehicle you think they might be DUI or driving under the influence. You call it in and many times you have stopped a DUI while you're off-duty. >> Where you headed to? >> To Chattanooga. >> Okay. You been Have you smoked in here? >> I don't smoke. >> Huh? >> smoke. >> Why does your car smell like it? Do you You any in here? How much you got? You don't know. You Are you driving it from Oklahoma? >> Um >> Hey, it's probably all covered up. It's cool. I mean, I get it. But, you know, you got to help me out. So, Oklahoma? >> Um >> Oklahoma is a well-known grow state. >> Where'd you pick it up? >> I don't want to say anything. >> Okay. Well, that's fine. I don't want you to get in trouble. I I don't want to get I don't want to put you in a position that it's going to cause issues. You know what I'm saying? You know, cuz I get it. Um Do you have your rental agreement on you? >> Mhm. >> Grab it and come on back here. Let's talk about it, okay? Do you know how much it is? Can I check it out real quick? >> Um I'm not Are you supposed to? >> Huh? >> Are you supposed to? >> Why? Smell it. I'm going to anyway. You don't want to say nothing about it? >> I don't want to say anything. >> You're not going to tell me where you taking it? A city? No? Huh? >> I don't want to say anything. >> Okay. Step on back here. >> Okay, she can refuse. Consent is a consent. You can't be forced into consent. A person has every right to refuse and it looks like she's electing to refuse. With the odor of the green stuff, in many states, it is enough that you have probable cause to move forward with an investigation. However, those laws are evolving and what they're being called now is odor plus. There are many jurisdictions that are going with this odor plus model. Odor plus another thing and I'll explain a little bit more about that. So, from a canine perspective, especially the legacy canines, the ones that were trained prior where they would just hit on any one of a few different ones, including the green stuff, then it would create a challenge. So, the laws are evolving. It's still It's pretty much still the old school odor is good in a lot of places, but odor plus another factor. Another factor could be the smell of the green stuff and then baggies, multiple baggies and a scale. Which in and of themselves may not be illegal, but odor plus those things would lead an officer to believe the investigation continue on and go further. These laws are evolving with just the odor and smell. >> Place both hands behind your back. You're being detained for the odor. J38 >> Okay, I want you to take a look at this lady. By just look, she just looks like a lady that you'd see at the grocery store, right? Middle-aged, Rolling Stones shirt on. And for people who transport the green stuff or any other illegal pharmaceuticals, this would be considered a mule, a person who is just a transporter of it. She is the type of person I would really lean into because she seems like maybe a grandmother or, you know, some person who doesn't seem like they're might be involved in illicit activity. But again, the people who recruit these mules, the way they have them dressed, the way that they have them wear their hair, all of these things are very, very intentional. The vehicle that they have them drive, all of that stuff is very intentional. >> No weapons on you? >> No, no weapons. >> J36 or J38? I'll let you have a seat in my backseat. Hey, will you all One of you all come down here to the 100 Eastbound? It's 2400 in the city. >> So, you see that? That look of regret. Nearly every one of the people that has that camera placed on them, it's almost like that dejected, like, why did I do something so stupid? Anyone who's considering doing something like this, make a copy of this and watch it over and over again because eventually that's what happened. Over the course of multiple officers' careers that are constantly out there, The odds are so against you, the technology, the informants, the canines, the hard-nosed investigators that are out there doing their job, and one off-duty trooper. I said it before, but they have probable cause and probable serendipity. Probable serendipity of this trooper being off-duty and happens to be behind this lady. These are the things that happen. One must think that this is not worth it. >> 1346 Clarksville. >> 1346 >> 10-15 with a female. I need a incident number for felony 590. Hey, I'm out with this car. It's loaded with Yeah. Yeah, so I know we were on the I know we were on the phone, but I need to get a statement from you. So Uh well, since you witnessed it in uh Polk County we'll um uh So, I'll have to take it to DTF there, so Yeah, do you mind? Are you busy? Okay, yeah, that'll work. Okay, I appreciate it. All right, see you. Bunch of ca- bunch of cash in the center console. >> Okay, interesting part of this whole thing is that it looks like that this is where the trooper was talking to the trooper that was off-duty and witnessed this because this is an incredible part of this whole interaction. Remember, from the very beginning, the stop has to be good. A defense attorney is looking at this and it's going to go right from the stop, from the very beginning. Your interaction with the police, it's not normal that you have an off-duty trooper who witnesses something and then calls in the police. I mean, it happens. I mean, I told you that I've done it before, but it's going to be looked in. Can they pull phone records? They likely will to ensure that this is what occurred. But the trooper is so diligent that he says, "I'm going to need you make sure that you do a witness statement and so that your part is all wrapped up to show that we did this completely right." Because if the stop is not good, all of these things that happen afterwards are going to be suppressed. This is fruit of a poisonous tree, not good in policing because it goes from the beginning and the fruit that comes off that tree has to be good. And if from the beginning it's bad, it's going to mess up everything else afterwards. So, making up stuff is not worth it. And I love to see that they were diligent in this and making sure that they had the information and the witness statement from the off-duty trooper. >> J 36, Marshall 10-24. >> J 36. >> Hey, I got you a load. Are you going to be Can you meet me up there in a little bit or somebody around? >> 1900 >> Got a vehicle >> 1900 >> Uh I probably say I don't know, maybe 100 to 200 lb or Yeah. I don't I don't I forget I you know, now that you mentioned that, I think Chase did send one out though. Okay. All right. Yes, sir. See you. >> You're under arrest for I'm going to put this seat belt on you real quick. You okay? >> Yeah, my wrist is tight on my wrist. >> Okay. Uh Is there any way that you can leave your car here and drive it to the DTF? Shut it off and lock it up. Okay. Let's go. Let's load it with this now. I don't have the room to put it in my car. >> Okay. >> Uh where is that Uh the violation happened in Pope County, so we're going to take it to the DTF in Russellville. >> Okay. >> You don't mind? >> No. >> Okay. >> You want me to >> Yeah. Shady. >> Is everything the keys and everything in here? >> Yeah, should be. I hadn't Yeah, it's right there. >> I don't know what I did with that rental agreement. >> And her license. >> You got her license? >> I had it. I got it. You know where it's at? >> No. I can Let me put it in my phone. Let me see if I can get the right address. >> No. We'll just You just follow me. You know, I mean, you're the one driving it, so worst case scenario, you can just come testify saying yeah, you drove this up there. You're not You're just driving the car. You're not seizing it, so >> Yeah. What I wish is You keep the >> Yeah, you're good. Uh >> Just keep it on camera. That way >> Call me and uh my camera will We'll rolling, but I'll stay on the phone with you. >> Okay. >> I'll call you when we get back going and we get going. >> Yeah, let's take the 84. >> 84 exit? >> Yeah. >> I'm sure that that conversation was about them making sure that they're covered because cameras are going to be on and they're going to follow each other from point A to point B, no delay. >> Yes, sir. It's a rental. It's a white Chrysler Pacifica. It's a white female. Yes, sir. I imagine she don't want to talk at all. No. Uh she might. Yeah. Okay. Everything should still be in her phone and I just left it up there now. Uh I haven't done a complete search of it. I just saw the large quantity of and we just left the side of the interstate to bring it up there. I'll go through it good whenever we get there. >> I want to talk a little bit more about the mule process because they don't really care about her. The investigators that are really looking for people It's a significant amount, but they want the person who gave her that stuff to transport and even the person that gave that person the stuff to transport. But this mule process is really interesting and a lot of people know about it and some people don't. But for her, she's approached by a person through an acquaintance or whatever and says, "Hey, listen. I'll give you 5K, 3K, whatever. All you have to do is drive a van from this place, park it here, come back when I tell you to come back, then drive it to the next place. This is what I want you to wear. This is what I want you to say." And then no more information. She might not really even know what's inside of that, but knows that it's likely something that's illegal. It's not plausible deniability enough to where she's not going to be charged, but they don't tell her everything. And just enough so that likely, if she was to decide to go in the direction of talking to the police, she doesn't have a lot of information. And I'm not suggesting that she is. She in fact said that I don't want to talk to the police. But, let me present to you what her two options become. Her option on this side is, I don't say anything and I incur the full wrath of law enforcement. She's a grandmother. She's got kids. And you're going to eat some time for that. Or, you decide to talk and then you potentially get a lesser sentence, but you incur the wrath of whoever these people are who gave you that. And there are people who have been seriously harmed in those circumstances. So, her decision to not talk means, "Hey, listen. I'd much rather just deal with the time that I'm going to face." So, anyone who would potentially think about this extra few thousand dollars is going to be worth it for you to transport something illegal that you don't even necessarily know what it is and risk losing all that time with your family members and your own freedom. It is not worth it. Think about this was an off-duty trooper just saw this vehicle and saw that it committed a traffic violation and let another trooper know. And I know people in the comments are going to be saying, "Oh, no. Someone told. They caught her on a flight camera." I mean, listen. Any one of those things could also be the reason why a person ends up getting pulled over. But, none of them change the fact of the consequences that she is likely going to incur. >> All right, Christie. >> Yeah. >> Can you hear me okay? >> Yeah. >> I'm going to advise you of your rights. I'm just letting you know that regardless if you talk or not, we're seizing your phone. Okay? So, you decide to answer any questions, you can stop answering questions at any time you stop willing to talk. Do you understand that? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Do you want to tell me where you're going? It's a lot easier going to the prosecutor and saying, "Because let's be honest. It's I mean, there's not 100 lbs in there, but it's a lot easier I mean, you're looking at a class A felony here right now. It's a lot easier going to the prosecutor and saying, "Hey, yeah, she was trying to make a little bit of money all in across the state, but here's the information she gave us then saying, "Hey, she was uncooperative, wouldn't say anything about it, didn't want to help herself out." But all of them. So, do you want to tell me where you're taking it or not? >> No, I don't even know. >> Do you know what state? >> No. >> Huh? >> I know, I don't know. >> Were you not just getting in your car and driving? Were you supposed to call somebody when you got somewhere? >> I'm really I'm really scared right now and I don't I don't want to say anything that's going to >> Okay. >> I'm scared. I'm a mom. I'm a grandma. I'm a mom. I have five kids. I have eight grandkids. >> And I understand that and that's why I'm trying to give you a chance to be honest so we can work with you. >> But I don't know what's going to be harder on me. >> I I mean, I I kind of need a little bit more than you don't know where you're taking it to. >> I do I don't. >> Do you know what state? >> No. >> So, when were you going to stop driving and figure it out? >> Nashville. >> Nashville, Tennessee? >> From where, yeah. >> Okay. Did you get Where did you get this car at? >> From a rental car? >> Yeah. >> At the airport. >> In Oklahoma? >> Tulsa. >> Tulsa? Did you get the Did they load the car in Tulsa? >> I don't know. >> Did they bring you the car or did you rent the car? >> No, I rented the car. >> Okay, and where did you drive from in Tulsa? >> I didn't I'm not even saying I drove anywhere in Tulsa. >> Okay, we didn't rent a car from the airport with it having over 100 lb of weed in it. >> I'm not saying anything. >> Okay, that's fine. >> 1346 clock small We're out at ATF mamalage 77123 77123. >> So you heard the trooper give the off miles and I think he said 77123 or something like that. And when he started it was 77104. So I've explained this before in my other videos that many departments you give on miles and off miles. And on miles is when you start to head to the jail, especially if it's a male and female sometimes they have to whether it's male and male doesn't matter, but many times it's male and female and you give the off miles to show the exact distance that you're driven. And again with GPS and everything you can track those things, but it's just a practice to over the air to give on and off miles and that's what that means when you hear them say on number off miles and a number. Hey, you going to let her in? She coming in? He said something about talking to her. I don't think she's going to talk, but he said she going to try and they're going to try. Okay. I'm going to grab a picture real quick. And off to jail she goes. You can see the regret in her face the entire time. And you know what's interesting is that a lot of times I'll hear people say, "Oh, it's just the green stuff. It should be legal. It's legal in some places." Well, and you can think that and that's your right to think that way. But if it's illegal, why place yourself in the position to where you're going to lose your freedom? It just is not worth it and I can just see the regret in this lady's face. And interestingly, this channel very diligently posted a new story. I'm going to read from it here. Arkansas State Police confiscated 200 lb of the illegal green stuff and 10,000 in cash in two separate traffic stops. So, I'm going to only read about the one that we just watched. Police say they stopped a white Chrysler Pacifica in Pope County for a traffic violation and discovered five trash bags containing [music] 120 individually wrapped bundles of the illegal green stuff weighing approximately [music] 1 lb. I guess each one of these bundles is 1 lb. And they found 9,350 $50 in cash [music] inside the vehicle and a 50-year-old woman who now is dealing with this really challenging criminal charge. She was transported to Pope County Detention Center, felony possession with the purpose to deliver, and with paraphernalia charges and multiple traffic infractions. [music] So, not a win. In fact, it's a huge loss. And especially for a grandma that's not going to be around her grandkids and her children. I did this before and I'm going to do it again because grandparents are incredibly special. And I hope that this woman makes better choices when she gets out of serving her time. Shout out to the grandparents because there are really great grandparents. I'm not saying this woman isn't a great grandparent. This is a person who made pretty bad choices likely going to have to pay the consequences. Hopefully, she makes better choices in the future. But shout out to all the good grandparents making great wise choices and helping raise up another generation. There is definitely nothing known as a routine car stop when it comes to car stops in Arkansas. But nothing shows off their no-nonsense attitude more than a sovereign citizen [music] stop. >> Can I have your driver's license, please? >> No, sir. I'm a US state national, sir. >> Come on back here. I'm not asking, I'm telling. Come on back here. >> Are you aware of what the fourth [music] constitutional law is? >> You and I have nothing to discuss. You can sit >> You're not going to keep your mouth shut. >> Watching sovereign citizen vehicle stops is always very entertaining because there's something that you can learn from each and every one of the car stops. However, it doesn't seem as though the sovereign citizens are learning the way that we are from these interactions. The fact that there are traffic infractions, there are consequences to those traffic infractions, and if you don't identify yourself to the officer, you are definitely going to jail. This is one of those. >> Hey, is the window on that roll down? There it goes. Close it. >> That one won't. >> Hey, what's up, man? It's your flower type license stop. You weren't wearing your seat belt when you come by me. >> Yes, sir. I was. I had it as over my shoulder. That's what I was adjusting this thing here, sir. >> You didn't Listen, you didn't have it on when you come by me, okay? Also, you have a brake light out on the driver side. >> Yes, sir. >> And then your tag has a thing around it that obscures where your state and stuff is. Can't even see your tag. >> Okay, it's Illinois. >> Okay, this trooper is interesting. So, it did some really cool things from the very very beginning that I liked. He mentioned three violations. The first violation he mentioned was the seat belt that he observed that the person didn't have a seat belt on. A lot of people don't realize that that is not a primary violation in every state in the United States. Some jurisdictions, my jurisdiction for one, if you saw a person without a seat belt, you weren't able to just pull them over for not having a seat belt on. You needed another violation and then if they didn't have the seat belt on, then you could cite them. Apparently, in Arkansas, it is a primary and the trooper noticed that. The second was he mentioned the brake light and then the third that he mentioned was the license plate was obscured. So, he got three violations and the trooper mentioned them all. This is a very good practice to advise a person of all of the violations that you observe because you're likely not going to cite them for all of the things and then they realize that you're giving them a break. However, attitude will definitely dictate whether you get zero to maxed out and attitude plays a huge role. There's a thing called officer discretion under these circumstances and the officer can decide whether it's zero or to maxed out. >> Do you have your driver's license with you? >> No, sir. I don't. >> Do you have a license? >> Yes, sir. I do. >> Where's that at? >> I'm a United States national, sir. >> Yeah, I know. >> The mosquitoes are bad here. They wear me out. >> Yeah, you're a what? >> I'm a state national, sir. >> Where are you from? >> I'm from Louisiana. >> Do you have a Louisiana driver's license? >> Yes, sir. I did. >> What do you have now? >> I have a United States state national. >> Okay, there is no United States national. Either do a license for a state that you reside in or you do not. So, which one is it? >> I'm not answering any more questions, sir. >> You're not going to answer my questions? Okay. Come on back over here. Come on back here. I'm not asking, I'm telling. Come on back here. >> You don't need to be ugly. >> I'm not being ugly. But, we're beyond the whole asking and being nice. Come on back here. >> Drive your chance on the dashboard for me. >> I'm not driving. >> Step back, spread your feet. >> I'm not driving. >> You are. Spread your feet. >> For what, sir? >> No driver's license, no seat belt. Okay. For your tag being obscured and for your busted light. That's it. >> I didn't think you could go to jail for this type of violation. >> You can go to jail for anything in this United States, man. You should know that. You're a national, remember? Where are you from? Are you from Louisiana? >> Can you read me my Miranda rights, sir? >> For what? You haven't committed a felony. You don't get Miranda rights. Come on back here. If I do a custodial interrogation based on a felony, then you might you might incriminate yourself and I would read you your Miranda rights. But, you're not being read your Miranda, so have a seat. Hold on. >> No, I am. >> Hold on. Anything in your pockets going to poke me, cut me, or stick me? >> No, sir. >> Anything illegal on you or in that vehicle? Anything illegal on you or in that vehicle? Have a seat for me. >> You don't have to ask me any more questions. We're done talking. >> You're in custody. >> I'm going to begin by saying that Arkansas accent is really kind of disarming and intimidating at the same time. Just hit the way he naturally speaks. It just kind of flows really well and I get that from most of the Arkansas troopers. It's kind of cool to listen to. We had our ding ding ding. This is a sovereign citizen. Person says I'm a state national. The trooper immediately realized that and he's a trooper that don't play that. So, he's like, "Okay, that's how we're going to do this, then we're going to go this way." Now, I noticed that the passenger attempted to speak, and the trooper just spoke right over that and said, "I'm only dealing with the driver at this point." He really handles his business well. Command presence in policing matters. Something I'm going to mention that you hear me discuss in other videos. It's called breaking the power base. So, when he's taking the guy into custody, you're going to see where he has him spread his legs apart and put his arms spread apart on the windows. Some people utilize that tactic. It's breaking the power base because when the legs are spread apart and the arms are spread apart like that, it's very difficult for the person to mount an assault or an attack on the officer. And this officer looks supremely capable of handling business physically, but he still makes the choice to be tactical in breaking the power base, while it's also explaining the things that he needs to explain to all the people involved. I really like what I see with this trooper. >> Hey. >> 253 just south of Hampton. It's going to be a blue Chevy Tahoe. Plate's going to be boy queen 54954. Boy queen 54954. I think it's Illinois. I can't really see it. >> Okay. >> I've got 11050. >> Okay. >> And there's two more up here. >> Okay, so you're one Okay. Well, I hear you on the radio, so >> All right. >> All right. Thanks, Adam. >> Okay, something that I'm just seeing here is that the trooper that sounds like he's calling in the stop on the phone, and I'm not 100% sure if that was the case. I don't know if out in this area it the radio transmission is difficult cuz I heard dispatch say something I can hear you on the radio. Best practice, call out the plate prior to stopping the vehicle, projecting the stop, the location. I know that there are GPS in these vehicles, and dispatch gets that stuff. Calling out the plate before in case something goes south, making sure that's broadcast on the radio, but again, I don't know if there are radio transmission issues. But for young aspiring officers, I want you to know that you're going to be taught calling out your stop prior to the vehicle stopping is going to be the practice that likely you'll be taught in the academy. We also have to take into consideration that this vehicle is still occupied two times and it's very difficult to see inside of that vehicle. >> Hey, do you have your ID with you? All right, buddy. Does he have a driver's license? >> I think he does. >> Somewhere? >> It would be Louisiana, I'm sure. >> Well, why does he got to act that way? >> Honey, I have I'm sorry. I'm from >> Don't call me honey, it's all good. We're from the south, we do that too. >> I've been in the south for a while. >> What's up, man? You have ID with you? >> Hey, can you talk to me? >> Can I say it? >> What for? >> I'm asking. I'm just asking if I can say it. >> I don't have it on me, no. >> That's fine. What's your name? Do you mind me asking? >> Uh if you tell me why. >> Because I want to, because I want to ask, because it's my right to ask. >> And I got my right to say no. >> It is your right to say no. You're 100% right. Nice to meet you though. My name is Jimmy. It is. Is yours? >> I already got my insurance right here. >> Okay. >> And then well, that's my >> Is this your car? >> Yes. >> Where you all from? >> I'm from Illinois. >> What brings you down here? >> My friend Patty lives down here. >> Okay. >> You know the Stricklands? >> I do not. >> Charles and Okay. >> I do not. What's his name? >> His name? >> No, no. The guy I'm having to go I don't care about him. He don't want to talk to me, he don't have to. That's his constitutional right. >> tell talking to you? >> don't want to talk to me. >> Neither one of them? >> So, he's going to sit in jail until he tells me who he is. Welcome to Calhoun County. All right, I'm going to make sure your license is valid. If it's valid, we're going to let you drive the car and you can be on your way. Be right back with you. >> That was a very interesting exchange if you picked up on everything. The trooper was speaking to the female, she was very cooperative. He was speaking to the male, it sounded like a male voice. The male was not cooperative. He was polite, but he was exercising his right to not identify himself or to give his identification. And the trooper didn't let his ego get involved. The trooper was like, I can ask. It's my right to ask. You don't want to tell me? Then don't tell me. The trooper clearly chose to not let his ego get involved, followed policy, handled business, followed the law, followed the Constitution, and went about his business. And this type of response protects policing because if we extend past our policy, we extend past the law, we can run into challenges, and we've seen that happen. I really like what I'm seeing from how this trooper handles things, not letting his ego get involved. >> Did you take an oath of office? >> What? >> Did you take an oath of office, sir? >> I did. >> You swore to abide the Constitution? >> I swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States and uphold the state of Arkansas laws, which you are violating right now. >> Are you aware of what the fourth constitutional law is? >> What is it? Why don't you educate me? Since you seem to know all your rights. >> A man has right to pursue freedom and happiness. >> Sounds like a movie quote. >> A movie quote? >> Is that the one that old Will Smith played in? >> Man, come on, man. >> Man, come on, man. Don't give me that crap. You know what you're doing is wrong, and yet here you are. >> Really? >> Here you are. >> I just asked you a question if you took an oath. This is the fourth amendment law. >> Let me ask you a question. You going to tell me your name? >> Nope. >> So, you understand if you don't identify yourself, you're going to sit in jail until you do, right? >> That's fine. >> Okay. All [snorts] right, you and I have nothing else to discuss, okay? >> Okay. I won't be making a claim against your bond. >> You and I >> Okay. >> have nothing else to discuss. >> Okay. >> This was a great way to handle this. Definitely got sovereign citizen talk right here. Let's first talk about the booking and what will happen to identify him. Yes, if you don't identify yourself, you're going to get booked and like they'll book you as a John Doe. Or if you give a fake name, that will be listed as an alias, and you're going to get fingerprinted and however long it takes for that process to occur. Where it seems like they're holding me somewhere in the boondocks in Arkansas. I don't know how long it would take there. Till they find out who you are, you're going to sit in jail. And once they find out who you are, you're going to get booked on an additional charge, usually. I've booked many John Does in my career. Once they realize they're going to get fingerprinted and you're going to realize who they are. He mentioned something about filing a claim against his surety bond. This is total sovereign citizen mumbo jumbo. This is the mistaken belief that officers have personal surety bonds and that they can file monetary claims against those bonds when they feel that they have been wronged. This is not the case. None of the police officers I know have personal surety bonds, but sovereigns say this all the time. And then the ultimate thing that he said was, "You and I are done talking." The trooper said, "You and I are done talking." I think that that was perfect. This is what I call tactical reverse Miranda. I'm insisting that you remain silent because I'm not going to talk to you. There's no upside. Tactical reverse Miranda is an excellent tool. >> So, what's your reasonable articulable suspicion that I'm committing a crime? >> You and I have nothing to discuss. You can sit back here and keep your mouth shut. >> Tactical reverse Miranda. Remain silent. >> The use of emergency lighting in a non-emergency situation. >> Why are you talking? Why are you talking? You and I have nothing to say. Sit in the backseat and keep your mouth shut. All right, Ms. Vicky, are you moving down here to stay? >> I am, but not yet. >> long have you been here? >> Off and on for about a year. >> Where are you living at right now? >> Right this very minute, I live in Alt in Bethalto, Illinois. 159 North >> Okay. How long have you been here in Arkansas? >> I've been staying here, let's see, I've been back here 2 weeks now. >> 2 weeks? All right, if you're making a permanent residence here, you're going to transfer your license plate and your driver's license to Arkansas. >> Okay. >> You're running out of time to do so. Make sure you do that. >> I got to do it how soon? >> I guess within 10 days of moving. >> Okay. Well, I haven't decided on moving yet. >> Okay. Well, you can once you start spending a month or 2 months down here and you're Is he done? I'm not talking to him. You can take him off speaker phone. All right. Going back and forth or whatever once you >> Yeah, that's I know. Okay, goodbye. I'm sorry. >> All right. Once you start staying down here, once you start staying several weeks at a time, this becomes your residence. It's no longer just a vacation type thing. You're now living down here. You see what I'm saying? So, you need to get your stuff transferred over. Now, if you're going back to Illinois in a week, you don't have to worry about it. But, you're going to be here another two or three or four weeks, your permanent residence becomes Arkansas. >> I'm not I'm not going back in a week. I'm probably going back in two weeks, but not a week. >> Okay. All right. So, you and I have had this discussion, and you've been made aware. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, if I see you again 60 days or 30 days from now and you haven't transferred that stuff over, it's going to be a ticket, okay? I'm just letting you know that. >> Well, wait a minute. So, then how do I go back to Illinois and come back and back and forth all >> Or you back and forth, back and forth, back and forth? >> yes, yes, yes. >> How often? >> I've been up there, let's see. >> If you divide your year into six-month times, which one comes out ahead, Arkansas or Illinois? >> Well, I've spent two months in uh Louisiana. >> Uh-huh. >> So, I'm kind of like >> Kind of just everywhere? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, my advice is to pick somewhere and then make that your permanent residence and try to spend more of your year there than you do somewhere else. Okay. See what I'm saying? >> Okay. Okay. Well, >> I think cuz he's not it's going to end up >> All my mail and everything goes here. >> That's fine. I don't want you to end up in a bind. Okay. You see what I'm saying? All right. Now, I don't know if he has a license or not since he won't talk to me, okay? Once I find out who he is, and if he doesn't have a license, if he's caught driving again, I'm going to tow your car. You understand that? >> My car? >> It's your car, isn't it? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, if he doesn't have a license and he's driving your car, I'm going to tow your car. >> if you give him if he gives you his name, >> It's not helping him today. He's going to jail regardless. >> Okay. >> But, I will know who he is this afternoon. So, if he does not have a license and he's caught driving your car, then your car >> driving my car no more. I don't know if he, you know >> I just let you know. >> Okay. >> Y'all right? Not only Not only will your car be towed, but you'll be issued a citation for allowing him to drive. You see what I'm saying? >> Well, now that I know if he doesn't have a license >> him drive. It's your responsibility to know who who's who has a license if they're driving your car. >> Okay. >> All right. So, >> I don't want a ticket. If you look at my >> I'm not writing you one today. All right. >> Okay. >> But, just to alleviate any issues, if you don't know if they got a license, don't let them drive your car. Cuz they're not going to be covered under your insurance. If you have a wreck, you're you're responsible for it, not them. All right? >> Thank you. >> He'll be at Calhoun County Sheriff's Office. He'll get out at some point. Probably won't be today. He's adamant he don't want to talk. >> Where is that? >> In Hampton, down by the Dollar General. >> Oh. >> Just turn left by the Dollar General. Take that half mile road down there. >> him out. I don't have enough money to >> He ain't getting out today anyway. He don't want to talk. He don't want to cooperate. He going to sit there till he tells me who he is or I find out who he is. So. >> All right. >> Appreciate you. >> All right. >> You're welcome. >> Shape to be in the fight of your life. You've heard me say before, you can be tactical, polite, kind, and lethal all at the same time. And this trooper looks like he's capable in so many ways. And not letting your ego get involved in a situation is incredibly important. This leads me to something I would like to discuss. The trooper was talking to the female about residency and driver license. So, there are 50 different states and all of them have a different variation of what residency rules mean with driver licenses. So, here's how it goes. When you move to a state, the state expects you, once you're a resident, to get a driver license and register your vehicle in that state. It's revenue for the state. But, some people choose to stay in their former state because it's cheaper. And there's also, sometimes it's a cumbersome process to get down to the DMV. So, there are a few reasons why people don't do it. But, it's usually monetary. But, once you establish residency in a state, you're expected to get registered and get your license in that state. The time living in the state matters, and employment in the state usually matters. Those are two things that are normally looked at. And who is normally exempt from this are military and students. But it's something that as officers, we often run into people, especially in Las Vegas, you pull someone over and they'll have a California plate still, or you pull someone over and they've been working at one of the casinos, but they still have their Arizona driver license as an example. So, you can be cited for that. And there's a time frame. >> All right, man. Lean this way for me. >> Easy, my back's messed up. >> That's why I'm leaning this way. Trying to get your seat belt, bro. Don't want nothing to happen to you. >> Thanks. Yeah. >> 1601. >> Go ahead and 16. >> 10-98, 10-15 times one. 10-19 the Catlin County Sheriff's Office with a driver from Sanderson for identification purposes. >> The person, no matter what his real name is, is going to have to deal with whatever driving infractions he has once they find [music] out what his real name is. And again, the trooper never ended up identifying who the male person was, and he didn't let it get with his ego. If he can't legally do it, there's no sense in trying to force something that is not by policy and contrary to the law. It's a very good training video where officers can see that you don't want to let ego cross over what you're legally capable of doing. If you like this kind of content, like the video, subscribe to the channel, and click on the video that's on your screen for more content just like this.