You'll be given a lawful order to >> no, NO, DON'T DO THIS to her. Please, don't do this to her in front of my daughter. YOU'RE SCARING ME. [ __ ] POLICING, WRITING CITATIONS, and taking people to jail is just part of a shift. We never like to take people to jail in front of their children, especially if the children are really small. And we definitely don't want to have to wrestle a mother around on the side of a road while her child sits nearby in a car seat. Sadly, this is one of those. Hello. Sergeant Brian Lake Stevens Police Department. How you doing? I'm okay. Why are you driving on a suspended license? I'm My daughter and I are speeding. We're going to the emergency room or something. Okay, that's not an emergency. I know. I know. We can recognize people that we've interacted with before or run the plate and get that type of information. You'd be surprised how often officers recognize people they dealt with from previous incidents. >> Okay, who can come pick up your daughter? What do you mean? Are you taking me to jail? Please, sir, please don't do this to me. >> Who can come pick up your daughter? Step out. Step out. Step out or I'm going to remove you. >> be rude to me. I am Step out or I'm going to remove you. >> Sir, I'm not being rude. I'm having >> right now. I have to take her into the Step out or I'm going to remove you. >> You don't have to be like this with me, officer. >> Please, get your sergeant here, please. I am the sergeant. Step out. >> Okay, why are you treating me like this, sir? >> Step out. Sir. You've been given a lawful ORDER TO STEP OUT OF THE CAR. Step out of the Sir. Turn around. Face the Please, don't do this in front of MY DAUGHTER. YOU'RE SCARING ME. OFFICER, I NEED ANOTHER OFFICER. SIR, WHAT THE [ __ ] ARE YOU DOING? PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK. SIR, WHY AM I BEING GIVEN A LAWFUL YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. SOMEBODY HELP ME. PLEASE. STOP FIGHTING WITH ME. YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. I'm having a panic attack. PLEASE, LET ME GO TO THE HOSPITAL, SIR. >> OKAY. I AM LITERALLY having a panic attack. Lay down. Sir, stop. You're scaring my 5-year-old. I have PTSD. You're going in cuffs. I have PTSD for being sex trafficked. Okay. Please, let me go. Please, LET ME CONSOLE MY DAUGHTER. YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE HER FEAR YOU FOR LIFE. PLEASE, >> hands behind your back and I will. I can't. I'm having a panic attack. I have to Put your hands BEHIND YOUR BACK. YOU'RE UNDER ARREST. PUT YOUR OTHER HAND BEHIND YOUR BACK. PLEASE, LET me go. Oh my god. Put your other hand behind your back. But you need to go IN CUFFS FIRST. PUT YOUR OTHER hand behind your back. Sir, can I please HAVE SOME ANOTHER OFFICER HERE, AGAIN? PLEASE, Put your other hand behind [laughter] YOUR BACK. I AM REQUESTING ANOTHER THEY'RE COMING RIGHT NOW CUZ YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL. I am not doing anything wrong, sir. I'm going to the hospital. Please, I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. I AM PUT YOUR OTHER HAND BEHIND YOUR BACK, PLEASE. >> IS IN THE CAR. PLEASE, help me. My 5-year-old is in the car. >> Ma'am, you're under arrest. I didn't do anything Put your other hand BEHIND YOUR BACK. OKAY, WELL, NOW YOU'RE GOING TO JAIL. CAN YOU PLEASE STAY WITH MY DAUGHTER, PLEASE? I CAN'T. IT'S OKAY. YOU'RE MAKING this so difficult. I'm not having an anxiety attack. I'm on my way to the hospital right there. You don't have to arrest me. >> I can't I can't believe you're doing this. I hope you have your body cam footage on. Ma'am, to be honest with you, I don't care if you have it on. >> for the police station now. Okay. The sergeant, the officer here, makes the decision to go hands-on because the female is not complying with his lawful command to step out of the car, "You're under arrest." And the sergeant is within his lawful right to attempt to take her into custody. But here's my question. Is that the best practice under the circumstances? Why not wait for the other unit to get there and they can drive in a normal fashion as opposed to rolling code, risking their own lives, risking the lives of citizens, and then the optics of the people seeing the officer wrestling around with this lady with her dress hiked up. And get it, that she brought a lot of that on herself. Is there another way of doing it so that the officers are safe, the citizens are safe because the officers aren't rolling code, and we can safely perform this function without having to wrestle around over a misdemeanor? Now, do you want to chat? No, I want to hold my daughter. She's scared. Sit on the curb. You can sit up, but do not STAND UP. >> SIT UP. YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M Stay right there. Do not move. I can't You're under arrest for resisting arrest >> I didn't resist arrest, >> ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE. THAT'S FINE. I NEED TO STAND UP. >> call to get your daughter? >> I'm trying to tell you I need help. You're not standing up right now. >> help. No, I can't stand up right now. I need help. Who do you want to call to get your daughter? I I'm trying to tell you I need help. Do you want to be seen by the ambulance? Please, help me. Stephanie, TALK TO ME. 9040. My 5-year-old daughter is in the car and it's I just Yeah, it's cuz you reacted LIKE AN IDIOT. NO, I HAVE I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANIC ATTACK. I'm on my way to the hospital. I'm hoping that at this point someone has checked on the child cuz to me at this point she's in custody and no one seems like they're hurt, but I'm concerned about the kid. Stand up. Thank you. While you're skirted down. I can't go home. I can't I'm not walking away. I promise. I'm not stable right now. While you're skirted down and then have a seat. And I'll help you back down. Can I please Can you please wipe the tears from my face? I really don't want her to know that it's okay. I just need to tell her it's okay so she nervous and so I can regulate. I want you to sit down, please. I want to tell you why it's so important because I don't want her to fear you guys. I want you to sit down. I won't sit I need to have to help me sit down. I don't want to sit down. >> I will help you sit down. What's your name? My name is Jason. Jason Ink. Can I sit like this? You can sit how you want to. Happy, go see if Baby, it's okay. Call Happy. We're about to go put eggs out on the grass. Do you want your puppy? You want to sit with your puppy? Come here, puppy. Come here, puppy. Come here. Come here. Come here. His name is Happy. Happy, come here. He'll go He's her emotional support animal. Come here, Happy. He might not let you pick him up, but he'll go if she Will you call Happy? Baby, it's okay. You don't have to be scared, baby. They're just doing their job. Call Happy. Baby, don't be scared, baby. They're good people. >> There you go. I'm going to shut the door so Happy doesn't get out, okay? Please, don't shut it. I'm going to shut the door so so Happy doesn't get out. >> to see the officers interacting with the child because the trauma that the child is going through from this, and I'm not saying it's the officers that brought it on. Absolutely not. The mom should have complied from the very beginning. But it's important at this point for the officers who are not engaged with the female to help assist calm the child down. And hopefully the dog doesn't get run over running around in the street. >> Stop talking, please. I'm trying to take you out of handcuffs so my friends can help you out here, okay? But I need you to be cooperative. I understand your daughter's in the car and she's important. I've got three of my own, much like all of us here have children, okay? Listen to me. Whatever happened before I and he got here, it is what it is for right now and we'll take care of that later. But for right now, this is what's going to happen, all right? And I need you to I need you to I need you to chill out. Stop talking for half a second, please. Chill out so I can take your hands out of the handcuffs. My friends can check you out and then we'll conduct business, all right? I need you to turn away from me. Turn away from me. Try No, no, no, no. Try not to look at me. Stephanie, listen. To include myself and other people here have gone on combat deployments or whatever and I've been a cop for 20 years, so I understand what you're going through. But I need you to chill. I just I just need to regulate her real quick. Do you understand how flashbacks are? I 100% understand flashbacks. I'm starting to start shaking. My body's shaking. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Stop talking so he can help you out. He can't help me. I I am not resisting. But he I I know you're not resisting. He can't help you out and he can't listen to your blood pressure when your mouth is going. I need to call my daughter. She can come and pick my daughter up. Where is Yeah, it's in my phone. It's on my Okay, and I've been asking you like a ton of times where your I can't answer questions cuz I can't call her. I need to I know, but you're going to have to. I just want to know someone who cares, dammit. Where is your phone at? >> It's on that person in my car. It's a emergency. Am I allowed to grab your phone? Please, grab my phone. Please, grab my phone. You can open your phone. I'm not going to open your phone. I don't want to open your phone. I don't need to get into your phone. Who is going to come pick up your daughter? I got to call two two different people. Is that okay, please? I will take her As long as as long as we can facilitate your daughter getting home Yeah, yeah, they're called the Bill ones lady. First. This is good interaction, face-to-face. I mean, I know that from a safety perspective, but I don't think she's going to headbutt him, but he's getting her to lock in. It's good. Nobody's I don't know if they're I can't see what my I have to see I can't see if my vision gets very blurred and I can't see. You just help me look and see if they're answering. It says pending. That's her dad and my daughter. I can't see if it says pending or calling. It says waiting. You've got three See, both of them are wrong. Yeah, they're on a group chat. One of them Roland answered BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER'S RIGHT HERE WITH MY SON. NO, come on. No, come on. What if it was you? Please, don't Let ME BE WITH MY DAUGHTER. WE HAD PLANS. OUR EASTER BASKETS ARE IN THERE. You make decisions in life that leads to this. >> I need to make a decision. I was on my WAY TO THE HOSPITAL. This is life Oh my god. Officer, I have a kidney issue that is very severe. I was I don't want to talk to you about it because it's something that I don't want people to Well, you didn't tell the medical professionals that. >> want everyone to I want a female. I don't want This is not going to No, you don't get the option >> Officer, I understand now that I don't get that option. But you have to understand what I'm trying to I can't do this. I'm listening to you. >> I know you are, but it's so I'm in you, man. Like it's Easter. I just got dragged out of the car in front of my 5-year-old cuz I wanted to go to the doctors to do Easter with her on the grass. And now I want to kill myself and not be a baby cuz my son is When a person says those words, "I want to kill myself," that's something that really can cause them to be committed to a facility in a lot of jurisdictions. That's likely going to be investigated more in most jurisdictions and mine, definitely. >> I'm going to let her come out and give you a hug, but then you're going to go back in handcuffs. Do you understand? Can you put them behind the blanket so she doesn't see them and doesn't know? I'm going to let you give I am going to let her give you a hug without the handcuffs on. And then put me I'll put my hands right behind my back and I won't Just I don't want her to see me in them. I don't want her to think it's okay. Hold on. Let me wipe my face, please. >> What is her What is her name? Go ahead. Hey, sweetie. Can you look at me, honey? And my daughter are all Hey. Hey, do you want to see your mama? You want your mama, honey? Okay, come. Come here. Oh, do you not have any shoes on or anything, sweetie? Where's your shoes? Let me get you some shoes on you. People who have not been in the police role and seen the fear, just complete anxiety that kids see or feel when they're in this kind of situation, to see this officer do this makes me feel really good. That's not something that's going to leave this child very, very quickly. And this is good stuff for him to try to put some closure in a positive [clears throat] way on a very horrific situation for a child to see. Oh my god, never mind. Okay, no, no, no worries. Dude, I just put my last money on Hi mama, it's okay, everything's fine. Come here, come here, come here. It's okay. Sorry we brought you and our friends. We were just acting. We're just joking around, okay? You see? Let me fix your nose. You can't have a dirty face, okay? Let me see. Let me see, baby, it's okay. Hey, are you okay? That was scary, right? That's what happens when you um don't listen to an officer, okay? That was just an act though. I wanted to show you what we were going to show you what what happens. Were you scared? You don't have to be scared, it's okay. They they're very nice people, okay? >> People who have a long time in policing, like the officer who had 20 years, we see a person like this mom and we have some type of feeling for putting her child through this kind of situation. But you're on the department long enough and sadly sometimes and it's happened to me that where you end up dealing with the child generationally dealing with that kind of stuff and the child ends up growing up becoming the same as the mom and you deal with them in a criminal capacity. I hope that doesn't happen to this little girl. But cops who've been on for long enough deal with that kind of generational situation. >> Can I Can I tell you guys about the car really quick? Oh, you're having it towed, huh? Can I please get my wallet out, please? Just my wallet. It's a little never just a living wallet. It has my food stamp card in it. It's the only thing because you guys have it. >> Let's go. Okay, okay. Can I put the blankets on and go to park in my car? Oh, this is her. She has it, she has it. It's her It's her She has it. And can I bring my phone with me this time, please? >> Yes, you can bring your phone with you. And and please tell her I wanted to do research. All right, Stephanie, you don't have anything I I can I can tell you don't have any pockets or anything, but you don't have anything anywhere that's going to They're going to make a big deal out of it. She'll do it. >> Get happy. Oh my god, he thinks he's going with me. We'll get it figured out. If you guys just drive me with him over to my house, he'll run in the house. He won't be Um I don't have anything on me. I don't have I don't have anything in your in that's not supposed to be there. No, no, no. I might have a bay leaf in my bra. That's about it. He thinks he's >> Why would you have a bay leaf in your bra? It's good luck. Uh I appreciate you coming out. I'm going to talk to you on the phone. I appreciate Sorry. I'm Ryan, yeah. So she got pulled over for her driving on a suspended license and not having an ignition interlock. Um Oh, she needs an ignition interlock. Yeah, regrettably um your daughter did see me. I gave her seven lawful orders to remove to remove herself from the vehicle. She refused. At that point I grabbed her arm and ripped her out of the vehicle. She pulled away, took a couple running steps to the back of the car, at which point she got taken down to the ground. Um very very calmly, no injuries. Just like we're trained to. Unfortunately, your daughter was present in her seat. Probably traumatizing for her and I apologize for that. It was not my intention. I actually appreciate you letting me know. It was not my intention, obviously. Um Yeah, she Stephanie was escalating it to a point it didn't need to go to. Yeah, clearly. So So I just wanted to make sure you knew in case she's a little off tonight or something. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. All right, take care. I appreciate that cuz the last thing I want to do is have them say something and Yeah, trust me, I'm with you guys all day long. I appreciate you coming out. Thank you. What were you looking for? Oh, I think it's right here. And when I opened the door, her foot's on the pedal and there's a hatchet right there. I was like, "You don't get to sit in your car right now." So he mentions that there's a hatchet inside by the floorboard, which definitely something you want to key in on. Is that the time that we want to be wrestling with someone in that area with our hands on one of their arms and trying to figure out, is it possible again to call the person out of the vehicle? Is there another way that's safer for everyone that doesn't escalate it to that degree? I was saying, "Hey, let's not talk in front of your daughter. Let's talk by my car. I don't want to talk about this in front of her. Relax." We want to do everything we can to avoid code runs from officers. That means officers having to rush to us with lights and siren. Then maybe we should just wait the 3 minutes or just call for another unit. So maybe I should just wait until I can do it with someone else. 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