You won't tell me where the bud is? Oh, it's a lot of weed. >> Would you like to talk about anything we found in there? No, there's an explanation for everything that's in there. In policing, sometimes we're unfortunately placed in a situation where we have to place one of our own behind bars. And if that charge is narcotics related, it looks really bad. And if that person is the sheriff of a neighboring department, it looks even worse. This is one of those. >> I'm at Infinity Sports Supply, Charger 799 in the brochure today, 7990 in the brochure today. Hello, sir. What's up, boys? Hi, I'm Trooper Frost, State Police. What's our time? You can have flashing lights there. You were speeding just a little bit. My flashing lights? About the They used to be flashing lights. It's the 71-282. Uh how fast were you going? You were going 50 in a 45. Not that big of a deal. Not too bad. Yeah, not bad. Do you have your license on you? >> Yeah. 5 mi an hour over the speed limit, under the circumstances, it makes you think that that might be a pretextual stop. That's the Wren case. The US Supreme Court ruled the US versus Wren, the police are allowed to conduct a stop if they have a violation, even if they want to look inside your car for another reason. People argue this all the time. You can look it up for yourself. It's w h r e m, and it's Wren. It's a Supreme Court case, and it's clearly ruled the police can stop. And if you get the 5 mi an hour over, sometimes you think that it's pretextual. >> Let's see your registration and insurance. Is this your car? Uh well, it's the county's. The county's? Yeah. What You work for a county department? >> Yeah, Johnson County Sheriff's Office. Oh, okay. >> glasses. How long you been with them? >> Uh I've got my I've got my side, too, okay? >> Okay. Yeah, Sheriff's right. Uh I've been the sheriff the last 4 years. Oh, okay. All right, guys. You're going to have to bear with me. So, this is interesting. This guy says he's the sheriff, top dog, top highest rank person in his jurisdiction for the last 4 years. So, these interactions can become interesting because this is a high-ranking person who's driving the vehicle. And then you have a looks like a line trooper conducting the stop. So, these are interesting interactions and they can be delicate how you handle them. Because a state trooper can end up working with this guy's jurisdiction at some point. State troopers have jurisdiction throughout the whole state. >> you doing up here in Crawford County? Well, I went to visit a CI. Visit who? A CI just north of town. Uh delivered some bags of goodies out there. What did you deliver to him? Uh well, his wife. Let me pop the trunk and I'll show you. There's some goods that that co-op deal we did. Yeah. >> Where it's uh giving out to Sheriff I'm ready. 80 85 and stuff like that. Hey, if you don't >> deal. Hey, since you're helping out, just throw your service weapon over the passenger seat. Come back here. All right. There you go. So, you said you took you meant to see you met a CI? Yeah. What like a Confidential informant? Yeah. But I mean, that's what What were you taking him? These are things These are things that we put together. Little care packages for homeless or not or well, people in need. Oh, really? >> Things of that kind. Yeah. So, why is your CI in Crawford County? Well, not only in Crawford County, I've got CIs and I've got one in uh uh Sebastian County. Got Franklin. Oh, Johnson. >> just drive to Johnson to work or what? >> No, no. They're no, just people that we we get information. Oh, okay. People known a long time that It's kind of weird to get information. Well, it's kind of it's kind of different. Most I mean, I I work narcotics a lot, you know? Well, I hear people having CIs and stuff, but I've never heard of them like out like a sheriff or sheriff's department outside the county that works outside of Johnson County. You know what I mean? The trooper said, "Oh, you got your service weapon on you." And again, this is a delicate situation cuz this is supposedly a sheriff from a department that may not be far from here. I don't know where that's located, but he tells them take it and just toss it onto the seat. There are other ways of doing that. My concern is if you don't want them to have the firearm, having him draw it out himself could potentially be a challenge. The other thing is CIs, confidential informants. TV and movies have people confused about that. They think the police can just go out and get a person to tell them information and that person is instantly a confidential informant. No, confidential informant management is not only a class that officers take, but it's also part of accreditation in departments how that is handled. Confidential informants are very regimented and policy based. >> How you doing it as sheriff? Of course. Hands on. Hands on, brother. That's the only way to go. Hard charging? Yeah, you bet. That's awesome. That's right. So, you just up here fixing to head back to Johnson County? I'm going to pull in here, pull in, get a buy a knife, and then head back home. Yeah, got a parade at 5:00 and head back. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is a one of my new guys. So, look, just talk with him for just a second You don't have no more guns and like that on you? Nope. Okay. Give me 1 second. All right, buddy. Interestingly, he says he wants to go back inside the car. Look like the trooper told him stay right here. I think he wants to get something out of the car. It would likely be a concern of mine considering that there seems to be something more going on. Going 5 miles an hour over and asking all those questions about this confidential informant thing, there's something else going. Why does he want to go inside the vehicle? We're going to see, but it's concerning. He's up here seeing a CI out of Johnson County. Taking him a thank you back. Never mind. Good job here. Find anything new? Okay. Okay. You have any other weapons on you at all? Nope. You to up anywhere? >> Okay, so you heard it. This guy said he's with the FBI. First thing is he wants to grab that phone away from him and that's what that sheriff wanted to do was go inside and get the phone. We don't want that people texting because obviously the FBI has a reason they want to talk to this guy. That's why this stop this pretextual stop makes so much sense now. This actually happens quite often where if you're in a uniform capacity and patrol you get asked to conduct car stops pretextual stops on people for the feds or for some UC units to assist them in their investigation. Very common. Hey sheriff, let me ask this. You don't have nothing illegal in your car, do you? Nothing you're not supposed to have, no drugs Uh there there could be Yeah, there could be drugs in there. There is Okay, what kind of drugs? Uh there's some My CI just gave gave me some things. Uh What What things? I don't know what you're saying. There's some little uh I don't know what things are. Uh there's some some butter and uh Yeah, two like a butter mint and two little buds that threw the course going on carrying on talking to the Hey, go and put your hands behind your back real quick, okay? This whole deal is odd to me. And so as of right now, I'm going to go ahead and detain you, okay? I'm not saying you're under arrest right now, but as of right now we're just going to detain you until we figure out what's going on, okay? Cuz I've never heard of a sheriff not saying that that what you're doing is is wrong, but I can't tell you this. I've been working narcotics for 7 years, okay? And I've never heard of a sheriff himself coming out. I'm not saying it don't happen cuz it does happen, but not very often it comes out and works narcotics on his own and and stuff like that, okay? And now that you said you've got some narcotics in your car, we're going to search your car, okay? Is this Is this your personal car? Is this your >> No, no, this is a county owned vehicle. Okay. Does Does the court court and all them they allow you to take this out for personal use and Well, I wouldn't quite call it personal use. Let me ask you this. Just Do you think if you were in my position, would you think this is odd? Uh Trooper, based I'm on it. I'm talking out outside of what they'll be in here. Look at me. >> I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm asking you this. I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and just invoke my rights and I'm going to speak to attorney and see my under arrest and you guys Okay. I'll I'll be respectful and do whatever you need to do. Okay. >> It sounds like he invoked his rights and said he wants an attorney, I believe, or he didn't want to talk. It's interesting to see how this will play out because his admissions will matter as this case goes forward, very much so. And attorneys, thank you so much for taking the time. Now, a lot of times comment in the comment section. Sometimes what you say is very, very, very helpful and I appreciate that. Under the circumstances, this sheriff says that he doesn't want to talk. He wants an attorney. How does that play out going forward? >> get gloves. I don't think I got rubber gloves. You got any rubber gloves? Look at that wet floor right there. Okay. I do and what was described And these? No, no, those are just bread. I don't know what they are and I've got to check them. In this door? Uh yeah, that's what I was That's in the doorway. There ain't nothing in this pocket. Okay. Yeah, I got them. Yeah. Turn him around. Have him face the dash cam. There's no upside to having him watch your search. Never show them your hand. Have as much information that you hold close to your chest as you possibly can. Best practice, have the person face towards the dash cam, away from what you're doing at the vehicle. >> Hey, since you told me where those are, you want to just tell me where that the bud is? Huh? Since you told me where those are, you want to tell me where the bud is? Okay. Okay. Okay. Ooh, I smell it now. Ooh. Damn it, son. Huh? Those are two lighters and a grinder. Yeah. That's a lot of wax. Butter wax? Still locked. >> There are two things I'd like to discuss. One is chain of custody, and the other thing is evidence handling. This is the sheriff of the department, and he has this stuff that he says that he got from his CI thrown in the back of his vehicle. What chain of custody is, and this will be in a case looked at very closely by both the prosecution and the defense, where it first start and every place that it went afterwards, and it has to be clearly marked and delineated how these things move. Any piece of evidence has to be logged, and every person in the chain of custody has to be noted. Can you just throw this type of evidence into the back of a vehicle? There's a challenge of cross-contamination. Who could have opened that trunk? There has to be strict policies about that, and accreditation for departments has strict rules and regulations as far as evidence handling and chain of custody. >> Uh, we're going to have to use the right one just to turn Let me feel it. This one? No, it's the right one. Oh, the right one. Uh, it's not it's twisted. You're good. You carry a lot of narcotics. All right, I'm just going to put you sit over here, okay? I'm going to put you in my car. You know your rights remain silent, anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney, if you can't afford one, one will be appointed. No additional charge. Do you understand all that? >> I did say okay. Let me ask this. Would you like to talk about anything we found in there so far? Uh, no, I told you everything that was in there. Well, I'm asking, do you want to do you want to talk about any of that? No, there's an explanation for everything that's in there. I'm asking you, would you like to answer these few questions? Would you be willing to talk about it right now? Uh, not at the moment. No, I'm just I'm good. Thank you. That's got to be the most humiliating space to be that you are the sheriff and now you're in this little small cage being investigated for some narcotics investigation and the feds are there. Not a good feeling. >> Okay. Yeah, I'm good. Okay. Okay. Hey, you got it. They really are tight though, brother. Okay. Sounds good. Cooperate with me, man. Just basically I and I found your wallet. Is there anything else in there that you want to take with you? Um probably just my I think there's some checkbooks. Everything in your wallet? Okay, there's there's two more checkbooks. I guess that's first uh first case. And that's that's two different drugs. So, is that why? Oh, thank you. You're welcome. I appreciate your honesty. Yeah, yeah, much better. Thank you. You can have it. Uh so, what we got? That would be money, two check, three checkbooks total and then Here. That's it. I got it. So, I'm going to read off of the news story of when this arrest went down. And the arrest, according to this news story, is off of former Johnson County Sheriff James Jimmy Stevens. And ultimately, he pled guilty to felony possession of a controlled substance. He was arrested on December 22nd during an FBI investigation. He's sentenced to 6 years probation, a $10,000 fine, and other fees totaling $590. Inside the vehicle initially, it says the trooper says they found three two high a small amount of and 9 oz of meth butter in his patrol vehicle. It looks like he was also charged with firearms violation because he had his duty weapon with him when this occurred. However, because of the plea agreement, he was able to go without getting a jail sentence and the 6-year probation was the time that he got. This is a horrific type of thing where the people entrust a person to be the highest ranking person and then they end up getting arrested and then pleading out to charges like this. You see these kinds of stories come more frequently than we would like. Hopefully, this guy turns his life around because he was entrusted by a community to lead them. And young people see this and it breaks their heart when they see a person that they want to aspire to be like do something this horrific. Hopefully, he makes better choices. 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