Hello, this is a prepaid collect call from an incarcerated individual at Cuyahoga County Corrections Center. This call is not private. It will be recorded and may be monitored. If you believe this should be a private call, please hang up and follow facility instructions to register this number as a private number. [music] To accept charges and consent to this Thank you for using You may start the conversation now. >> Who's hello? >> Hey, somebody wrote me. >> What do you mean? >> a letter like a letter. >> Oh. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Crayton? >> True Crime Audio >> From GCI. It's like he's an inmate. >> Oh. He's an inmate where you are? What what? >> No. No, he's somewhere else. >> Okay. >> You want me to read it to you? >> Uh do you think you should? >> Uh if it's not bad. >> Okay. >> It says I saw what happened to you on TV today. Made a speech hearing of God's name which you should hold your pain let it out and may God strengthen you. I'm writing you because I felt God wanted me to let you know you'll be okay and that he's there for you. Why else would a total stranger contact you on the roughest day of your young life? God is going to protect you and send you his angels to uplift you. If you don't want me to ever contact you again let me like something like let me know. I'm a career criminal. Let my record tell it. I lived in Middleburg Heights last year and got drunk with my friend and kicked my apartment door kicked my apartment door and ended up in prison for 18 months. I get out December 7th, 2023. With good days this is my fifth time in prison for stupid [ __ ] I did when I was drunk. I'm 45 years old with one daughter and two granddaughters. I love them and they love me. I'm an alcoholic and since I've been in here I've been receiving treatment. I'm originally from East Cleveland right next to Cleveland Heights off Superior in Euclid. Anyway, I'm writing you to send you scriptures and let you know >> Cuz you just made me cry. How wonderful. >> I'm here for you and whatever way I can help you on your journey. You think the county vet from what I heard, incarcerated women who come here and give their testimony. Women prisons are the worst. Men prisons we know in all things God works for good and who love him whatever. He says so that's why he gives me all the scriptures. And then he says, "I'll leave you with this. The love you give connects Wait. Connection requires both giving and receiving. We can control only our part in achieving connect connection, owning our weakness, embracing growth, and knowing our limits. Our character, conduct, and conversation should be reflective of Christ. Keep your faith and don't lose hope." And then he says, "The best lawyer in Ohio is Ian Friedman. He is the president of Ohio Defense Association. His office is downtown Cleveland. He is representing the Chesterland cop who who is accused of having sex with a 14-year-old. >> Woah. >> So, write that name down. Ian Friedman. >> I already did. >> [laughter] >> But yeah, he Can you >> Really is in jail again? >> Who? >> Really. >> Why? >> I don't know. >> What Why? What did >> I don't know. Do you want to ask whoever that is? >> Yeah, because he wants to know what what she did. >> Okay. Okay. >> I got no sleep last night at all. >> Was it the anti-stay lady? You didn't move yet? >> No, I I didn't move yet. They The corporal just came and talked to me though and he um they might move me today. But I'm ready to get moved off this spot. >> Did he say might or they are going to? >> I have a video call. Oh my god. Okay. >> What? >> I was about to say I have a a video call at 7:30 and 8:00 and okay. Grandma messaged me. >> Aw. Wait, did he say he might move you or he's going to move you? >> Well, I was told I am moving today, but he said he's going to like get me moving soon. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure I'm moving today. I dropped her shirt off this morning. >> Okay. >> So, they said they would get it to you. If they don't, then they don't, but if they're So, that lady was freaking out all night? >> Yes, she was freaking out all night. >> Laura and Allison cuz they're worried about you. >> Wait, I got to step in my room. >> What? >> Is med cart coming? Oh my god, med cart's coming, so I'll have to step in my room. So, I'll call you back when I get off the >> Okay, perfect. >> I love you. >> All right, love you. Good bye. >> Bye. >> The caller has hung up. >> Okay, so let's just dive straight into it. So, my best friend in prison and still to this day was Jelisa Roberts. Jelisa Roberts is still locked up. She's in Dayton, Ohio Reformatory I'm at Dayton Corrections for women. Um and she was in ORW before I left and she did at least 2 years of my bid with me. And she was cellies with uh McKenzie Shirilla in the county in Cuyahoga County in Cleveland because they were both juveniles going into prison. Um so, when McKenzie got to MCC, me and Jelisa that was my you know what I mean? So, she's telling me like, "Oh, my homegirl is coming from the county. My homegirl McKenzie did something third." So, I'm like, "Okay, like what she about? Like tell me what's going on with what about her?" And she was like, "Well, she's in here uh they charged her with murder for vehicular homicide or something like that." And I was like, "Damn, what happened?" And she was like, "Well, um she was she got in a car accident with her boyfriend and her best friend." And I was like, "Damn." She was like, "Yeah, um she was like at first everybody thought it was an accident but when I was in the county with her I knew that she did that [ __ ] on purpose. So I'm like damn, why you say that? And she was like because when she got into the county like all she kept saying is they resuscitated her to blame her for killing Dom. Like she just wishes that she would have died. She wishes that she would have died. So then and you know that it was locked in tight or whatever. So I'm going to get Jalisa on the phone so that y'all can hear everything that she got to say cuz she knows way more than me cuz I didn't really have no dealings with McKenzie personally. Like I talked to her a few times, we walked the yard a few times but like if somebody's spirit don't sit right with me like I'm a very godly woman and then in prison like I I I was a Bible thumper. Like I'm not even going to fake like I was in there on my P's and Q's. I was trying to do everything that I could do to get the [ __ ] out of there besides for snitching. I was going to school and you know what I mean? I was staying to myself, pressing my racket as best as I could, focusing on my artwork, doing [ __ ] like that because I just wanted to get home. I got kids at home. Like I don't got time to be like playing high school. Like I already went to high school. I didn't have time for all that. Like I just wanted to do my time and get the [ __ ] out and go home to my kids. So I didn't really engage in too much of the prison culture and the drama and the gay for the stay type [ __ ] Now I'm not saying that I'm perfect and I'm holy because I did have my fair share of drama. I did have my fair share of trying to find a girlfriend and do what the prisoners do in that in there but it never really worked out for me. God had other plans. With that being said so the first time that I met McKenzie we was on the yard and the first thing that I noticed was her body's tea. So she's not as skinny as she was like in the pictures and on her Instagram. I don't know if shorty was doing coke or what out here, but she was skinny as a crackhead. And in jail, she got some weight on her and she got a little thump her. She got a little ass on her. So, she got a nice little shape. So, that's the first thing that I noticed. I'm like, "Okay, shorty body tease." The second thing that I noticed is that her fingernails are chewed down to the bone. Like, I'm talking about you can tell they be bleeding like chewed like chewed all the way up fingertips fingernails like disgusting. So, I'm like, "Uh." And then the third thing that I noticed is she's got like Like, I don't know if y'all ever had a conversation with a meth head, but they got like a tick to them like You know what I'm saying? Like, they got they like this tick to them and she's got that. Like, she's got like I'm not saying that she's a meth head, but she's got like she's something is off about her. Like So, it's just like it's almost like talking to a squirrel. Like, you're you're talking to her you're having a conversation and then 10 10 seconds later like she's like, "Oh, blank." You know what I mean? Blanks out and not passes out like a medical condition, but like her mind is just not there. So, um So, the first time we was walking around the yard and we were all talking about it. The first thing that she said to me was um that she was supposed to die in the accident, but they resuscitated her so that they could have somebody to blame for killing Don. And she was like, "It's a big conspiracy." So, I'm like, "Oh, okay. Damn, that's kind of [ __ ] up. I feel bad for you." Um mind you, I'm I'm like I got discernment from hell. So, not from hell from God. So, I'm able to see right through [ __ ] Like, when I'm talking to somebody like I already know if they're lying to me or if they're about to lie to me. Like, I didn't been through so much [ __ ] in my life that like I can really I'm very very good at reading character. And I instantly knew that like something was up. I I honestly, to be 100% honest, my first conversation with her, I felt like she was battling some type of demons. And And when I went back to my cottage that night, I prayed for her. Because it was very It was very odd. Like her how she interacts with people, just how her mind is, the way she thinks, the way she talks. She all she was concerned about when I when we was locked up at the same time was getting high. Like she just wanted to know who had what, how to get high, how to get her hands on it. So, that was her whole thing. And I try to stay away from people like that because birds of a feather flock together and I don't got time to get in no trouble behind no [ __ ] that I'm not doing. So, um I definitely like kept my distance and and tried to keep Julissa away from her, too, cuz Julissa's just as young and Julissa was like my little my little prodigy, my little baby, you know what I'm saying? My little That was my dog, my best friend, my left titty. So, I wanted to make sure that she stayed on her [ __ ] cuz I wanted her to come home and do good things cuz she has a good heart, she just had a [ __ ] up upbringing. McKenzie didn't. McKenzie had a very well upbringing, as y'all can tell. Like I'm not saying that I mean, just look at her room. Like look at this [ __ ] that her parents bought her. Like that girl never never knew what it was like to struggle. So, anyway, so yeah, the first time she told us that they uh resuscitated her because they wanted to blame her for killing Dom. And then the second time she was high. This was she had just got done smoking paper and she came onto the yard. It was 7:00 yard. This is the third yard. This is where we This is when everybody in the summertime everybody be outside. And and like y'all are like talking [ __ ] about like wearing makeup and her like living her best life, but reality is like when you go to prison like you just because you did something that you should be ashamed of, you don't stop you you you don't stop living. You know what I mean? And then like in prison if you want to if you want to sit and be depressed and pressure rack, you can. Like more power to you. You can do whatever the [ __ ] you want in there. You can get a college degree. You can pressure rack, get fat and come home depressed. You can work out. You can read books. You can do art. You can change your life. Or you can get high and do the same [ __ ] on the streets. But you have uh more of a structured environment to do it. So really like that's why I I honestly I really appreciate the Ohio judicial system because although they be cooking [ __ ] they know what they're doing when it comes to rehabilitation and it really works. So um like I like for me I had a choice like they gave me a SC-29 sentence and if I wanted to [ __ ] off and be a piece of [ __ ] for the rest of my life, I could have ended up doing eight years in there easily. You know my my sentence was a two to eight, so um yeah, and that's that's why they set it up like that because it's on you to make the decision to change your life. You know what I mean? It's not like oh you're going to come in here and it's going to be a military camp and you're going to have to change. No, it's it's your choice because if you don't choose to change your life, then you're going to go back into the same patterns as soon as you come home. So it has to be your choice in order for it to actually work the right way. As for her she she was given the opportunity. That's the judge sentenced her to 15 years concurrent, meaning after the 15 years if she learned her lesson, she did what she had to do, she utilized those programs in there and she showed some remorse, she could come home and be an outstanding woman. She could be, you know, change her whole life around, and then use this [ __ ] tragedy to help somebody else. To help another girl that's dealing with that type of toxicity, that type of double-minded thinking, that those type of demons, whatever she's going through. But, the judge gave her that for that reason, because it's either in 15 years you'll do what you got to do and come home, or you'll spend the rest of your [ __ ] life in there, and that's exactly what the judge told her. Like, I believe that you're going to spend the rest of your life in in jail. And I believe that, too. One conversation with her, and just seeing how she moved on the yard and in prison, I believe that she's going to spend at least 30 of them in there, for sure. So, um my second conversation with her, she was high off paper, and we was walking the yard, and dang. And, um she told me that the devil made her do it, and I'm like, "Girl, what are you talking about? What do you mean?" And she was like, "The devil was pressing on my foot and telling me that Dom has to die." And I'm like, "What the fuck?" And I'm like, "Damn." I'm like, "That's crazy as hell." I'm like, "So, me, like, I'm instantly like, 'Oh, well, do you pray? Like, do you Have you ever prayed? Like, do you pray? Do you believe in God?'" And she was like, "I mean, yeah, but no. Like, I pray, but, um God doesn't really listen to people like me." And I was like, "Oh, okay." So, um that was the end of that conversation, and then we just kept walking the track, and I ended up, you know, finding something else to do to get away from her, and just kept my distance. So, from that point on, um I knew instantly, like, this is not a girl that I'm about to be hanging around associated with. I don't want to none of that, you know what I'm saying? Like I don't mind people I mind my business or whatever, but at the same time like I'm wise about who I give my time to and who I share my energy with and she was not going to be one of those people. >> [snorts] >> So, I I'm very observant though. Like one of my favorite things in prison to do was people watch, especially people like that because they're [ __ ] up in the head and I'm like damn, you know what I mean? Like what makes people like this? Um, so one thing that I did notice is she's got a severe limp. So, her shoes like um, her one shoe like leans to the side and like and scrapes. So, it like leans sideways. Like I wish I could like a fat girl wearing Uggs. Excuse me, no offense, but when a fat girl wears Uggs, they like tilt and they lean to the side or whatever. That's how her one shoe is. It's on the left side, her left leg. That one shoe like it's it's scraped all the way to the ground on one side and then raised like a regular shoe sole on the other side. So, I noticed that she's got a limp. I don't know if that's from a car accident or what or I don't even know if that's genuine because my friend Delisa told me that she be doing that just to make people feel bad. So, I don't know. The girl is the [ __ ] nutcase. Um, but one thing that I will say about her and give her her flowers for is that she is so artistic. Like she is so very artistic. Um, she started uh customizing Vans, white Vans in there and she started to make the um, what's the it's like the flower with the the face in the middle. I think it's like I don't know. He works with Louis Vuitton and [ __ ] Um, but she started to make that design or whatever and everybody was like trying to buy her for shoes and stuff and and that's considered contraband, but you you make do with your time in there. Like yes, it's illegal, but we we still want to like look good. You know what I mean? We still want to like feel good about ourselves. Like regardless of what you did and what crime you [ __ ] committed. Um so like I don't I don't blame her for that because that's just part of the prison culture. It's like doing your hair, doing your makeup, trying to find the cutest clothes, like just trying to escape where you're at. That's just anyways. It doesn't matter if you're a piece of [ __ ] or if you're a good person and you just ended up in the wrong situation at the wrong time. You're going to want to take care of yourself in there, especially in there because you got nothing but time on your hands. You don't have no distraction from kids, you don't have no distractions from you know, going get getting up, going and running the streets all day. Like you you're in one place, so you got time to focus on and and work on stuff. Okay, so my best friend Jalissa and our friend Spice, we called her Spice because she had an orange hair. Her name was Breanna Houston. Um she's locked up and she's actually wrongfully convicted and she is somebody who needs to go viral and somebody who needs to be home because she doesn't deserve to be in there. She's a baby and she was hanging out with some dumbass boys who wanted to do a home invasion and um they tried to rob this white boy and his dad was home. I I think his dad was a cop or something like that. And his dad shot at them and ended up shooting his own son and killing his own son. And they charged everybody involved except for the dad because they basically blamed it on them for trying to do a home invasion to begin with. Mind you, nobody was armed but the dad. So she's doing I think 15 years in in prison for that and she got to prison as soon as she turned 18 and she is just the sweetest little pure-hearted red-headed girl you could ever meet. She's so [ __ ] talented, so [ __ ] smart. Um but she was in the county with Kenzie as well. They was held in the juvenile the adult juvenile um section. So her, Jalissa, and Kenzie were all um like in the pod and in the cell together because they were too young to be on the regular floor with the adults. Um and there was two times that she came back into the cottage crying because of how mean Mackenzie was being to her. And I told her I've been I've been telling her like girl, she is not a person that you want [music] to be friends with, associated with. Like y'all need to stay the [ __ ] away from this girl. I can tell you right now about her spirit by having conversations with her. That [ __ ] is wicked. Like there's something wrong with her. She's not right. And I used to tell her that all the time. Well, the second time she came in crying because um Mackenzie started a rumor about her. And um she basically told everybody that Breanna that Spice was uh a hoe on the outside or whatever. And um I'm pretty sure I don't know if they knew each other on the outside. I don't remember Breanna ever telling me that they knew each other on the outside. But um Yeah, anyway, she like she mean girl the [ __ ] out of her. And really dogged her out and Breanna was a good friend to her. And the reason that she did this is because Breanna was competition for art. So like we all had our own hustle. Like if you were artistic in there, you got your own hustle, right? So um Breanna was one of them and Breanna is I'm talking about really [ __ ] good. I got some artwork of hers at home. I'll show it to y'all um when I get there. But she is like that girl. She does not belong in there and I and I can't stress it enough. Like free [ __ ] Spice. Like I want her to come home. >> You know But yeah, so Breanna, she I told Breanna like, "Girl, you are so good at this artwork [ __ ] Like you need to start selling your paintings and [ __ ] Like I used to sell birthday cards for $20 in here. Like I used to customize shoes for like 50 and 50 and up." Um we paint t-shirts like $30 and up. Like you know, that was the hustle. I took care of my kids the entire entire time financially while I was in prison just off of artwork and over the phone sugar daddies. Like Um So Breanna, she was really good. So I told her, "You need to start selling posters." We would make big ass posters. Like when it was somebody's birthday, you decorate their bed and you put these big ass posters up to let them know that they're loved and that they got people that care about them and [ __ ] like that. And people pay for these posters. Well, yeah, so Breanna started doing her artwork and McKenzie had just started off doing artwork as well. Well, Breanna became McKenzie's competition because Breanna was better at artwork than McKenzie was. And in McKenzie's mind, she just felt like there wasn't enough money in the prison to go around for them to both coexist. So she started a big ass [ __ ] rumor to belittle Breanna and make people hate Breanna. But really Breanna is a really good girl and everybody loves Spice. You know what I mean? So like everybody was like as soon as Spice revealed that she could do artwork, like everybody was trying to buy from her. Everybody. So Um that made McKenzie jealous as [ __ ] and nobody really wanted to deal with McKenzie except for like the you know what I mean? The weirdos, this the the studs, like [ __ ] like that. Like people that were Long story short, everybody could tell that something was off about McKenzie. >> Mhm.