A simple traffic crash turned into drama when an off-duty Albuquerque Police Department Detective Shawn Gin got out of his car. Gin was riding in the passenger seat while his wife drove when another vehicle struck them from behind. While a normal crash would have drivers exchange insurance information, this did not happen when Gin went unhinged and grabbed the driver of the other car. He claimed that the driver was drunk. >> Thank you. >> Did you Did you see her hit me? >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Uh no, I saw >> Yeah, but I mean >> I saw her get out of the car. >> But that's not okay. >> No, it's perfectly okay. People don't GET TO ACT >> NO, it is not okay. >> If you're going to act, you can get the [ __ ] out. >> [ __ ] YOU, TOO, [ __ ] >> to go? >> Hey, have a seat. >> Go ahead. >> I don't have to listen to your ass. >> us? >> I saw. >> And then she lays hands on my husband. >> You opened your [ __ ] door. >> She can't leave. >> Yeah, cuz she's being >> she can't leave. >> go. >> I don't have to go anywhere. >> with your little cell phone? >> Record everything? >> get the [ __ ] out. >> [ __ ] no. [ __ ] >> Who the [ __ ] are you? >> Yeah. >> Who am I? >> Someone that seen you put your hands on her. >> Everybody's like there's a crowd yelling at us. >> I did. >> So did you see all the >> We're waiting for the police. >> I'm I'm willing to wait. Did you see what happened when she first crashed into us? That's all I'm asking. >> She's injured. She's injured. >> She's injured, yes. She has airbag deployment. She's injured. >> to get her help. >> She hit us. She's been following us since she hit us. >> us aggressively, flipping us off, honking the horn, then she hit us. >> And she's bleeding. She's injured. >> lays hands on my husband, and then >> Okay. Okay. >> So really? >> Okay, but just wait for the >> No, no, no. You guys hang tight. I'm I'm coming. I'm walking again. >> And don't mess with her. >> So the thing is with the crash and someone that's intoxicated >> Wait for the police. >> What is she wearing, for one? >> I don't know. >> coming from the strip club? >> She has a alcohol bracelet on her >> Uh-huh. >> And she did, she pushed me and hit me. My head's already sore from the crash. >> Uh-huh. >> And she's trying to leave. >> Can we please swap information? >> Hit him. >> Can we please swap information so I can go? >> No, you guys are fine. I appreciate you being >> I this on recording. I want to swap information. I want to swap info so we can do this right. >> Yeah. >> Please let me go. I need to go. Come on, I need to pee. I haven't got any sleep. >> I'm worried about >> I need you to work with me. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Because I'm tired and I need to go home. >> You smell like an alcohol. >> Yeah. Listen, I was out all night. >> Were you drinking this morning? >> No. >> You smell like alcohol. >> Listen, I slept I drank last night. >> Are they on their way? >> I hope so. Look, they're just here to help. They care about you just as much as they care about me. >> Okay, I'm glad, but I need to go home because I'm >> You can't, honey. >> They they were taking your side. They thought I was a >> You can't. >> Yeah, because he shoved me against the car. >> I realize that, but >> We should swap information. He said no. >> I don't want you to >> You can't leave and he shoved me against the car. >> Why you >> Okay. >> You're not >> I said we could swap information. >> That's not how this works. >> Listen, that's Listen, nobody was injured badly. You sit there and say it's me? Oh, my hand. Okay, congratulations. It's not my mouth. Congratulations. It's you. >> You're being aggressive with me. I'm not trying to be rude to you. >> I want to swap info. >> Are the police on their way? >> I am tired. >> I hope so. >> I need to pee. >> Go in McDonald's. >> You can go pee in there. >> Go pee. They need to pee. >> They're concerned about you. I mean, they're worried about you. >> Go. >> Please don't leave cuz I assure you it's not good. >> Yeah. >> If you leave the scene of a crash, it's not good. >> No. And she's intoxicated. That's why she doesn't want >> she hit me. Sorry that we got in your face. It's not what I mean. >> I know. I know. But >> And my neck is sore from the crash. >> I I hear him. I hear him coming. >> My neck is sore from the crash. It led me to be aggressive with you, but >> That's fine. That's fine. >> [clears throat] >> I apologize. >> Tempers rise, and she was rude. >> Yes. >> I Did you catch the initial interaction? I know it's a hands-on I don't want her to leave. I hope you have the initial on video. >> I don't know. >> No, no, don't pause it. Feel free to record me. I welcome it. I welcome it. >> No, it's fine. And I don't post [ __ ] on Instagram. I am not that person. Just FYI. >> I >> You can tell your wife. >> We've >> I do not do that. I thought I >> for getting aggressive. >> No, I I apologize. >> for cursing. >> Oh, there he is, right here. Okay. >> The Albuquerque Police Department was called to the scene, and witnesses had many concerns with Jin's behavior. Police responded to the scene, and they recognized Jin as an officer of the department. Jin would not divulge to witnesses he was a cop. This is where the investigation went from a crash investigation to a criminal investigation. >> All right, so I'll get your story first. So, Sims is going to come out. He's the sergeant. Just Just in case I don't need you. I don't know if I don't I I told you I got physical. >> Yeah, and they they have video. Like, you're just It's looks like you're just trying to detain her. >> trying to detain her by >> Why did you go Hold on. Why did you go hands-on? >> I thought she was going to leave, and I did worry about her safety. And I said, "Please don't." I She did check me, like shoulder check me. >> Yeah, I saw it. >> She got aggressive. I was just trying to restrain her. >> Yeah, that's what it was looking >> So, I did try to do that. >> it. >> He's so aggressive. >> [ __ ] I was very I was aggressive. She hit us hard. And I did I raised my voice, but when I saw airbag deployment, she's trying to leave. I didn't want her to leave. >> Oh, her airbag deploy? >> Yeah. >> I didn't even look in there. >> Physically, I don't want to press charges on her. We don't want to press charges. I don't want to press I don't want to press charges. I'm being amicable. >> I'm still amicable. >> I didn't want her to leave. >> Yeah, definitely. So, that's why Okay, makes sense. And that's kind of That's what I That's what I thought. Which she was maybe trying to Cuz from the looks of it, she was trying to walk back to the passenger side and get back in her car when you had >> That's what I told her. I'm a civilian. Do Do what you got to do. >> You're good. So, let me talk to That's my wife. >> Yeah. >> Let's hear your side of the story. >> Um she was just driving like crazily reckless all the way from Paseo. So, like I was like, "Call the cops." Cuz she was like riding our butt for like close, like so so close that I was like, "She's going to hit us." She gets around us and she's going like fast all the way down Paseo. So, I was following her to get her license plate so he could call cops. They never answered. We just did 242. >> Yeah, still works. >> They never answered. So, um she came up behind us here and she like aggressively gets on my ass and like she's laying on the horn and I start to go and then I think I see a car, so I hit my brakes really hard and she's like >> Boom, hit you. >> She ran into us. So, he got out and like he was pissed cuz like I said, we've been dealing with her for miles. And she's like laying on like beeping and oh my god, so Uh then she hit us, obviously. >> Do you think, just asking, do you think she was like road raging on you guys or >> She was road raging on everybody. >> okay. She was like >> At some point, she got two cars behind us and we were still watching her, keeping an eye cuz we were on the phone with the 242 and she you could see her like going back and forth trying to get around these people and like she couldn't. So, she was like beeping the horn and stuff. We're like, "God, what is wrong with her?" >> Okay. Perfect. Let me talk to her now. Sweet, thank you guys. Uh probably get phone numbers and stuff for I will. Hopefully, I don't do this for you. >> I'm sorry. >> You're fine. You're fine. >> I'm not going to lie. I tried to go after like, cuz I I didn't feel safer. >> And I think that's why he tried to keep you from leaving. I think >> Listen, but what the [ __ ] Who shoves somebody on a car? Who shoves somebody onto a car? >> You got all the 49, Panda? >> Kind of, yeah. Uh so, I got their >> Did you get all their 49? >> I'll get I'll get it for >> Yeah, I didn't I didn't get any. >> to talk with them and see what they had, but I'll get their 49. Do you want 21s? >> Yeah, might as well. >> Okay. Um do you need to talk to this lady in green? >> No, she's fine to leave. Let's just get her 49, yeah. I saw her video. >> Oh, you saw it? >> Yeah. >> Okay, cool. >> I can't see it honestly. >> Um kind of it shows kind of exactly what you're explaining. It gives >> Like, I and I'm not like I was trying to I I said, "I'll give you all my information. I'll give you I will pay for the damage. I'm so sorry." I admit that I was being impatient. >> Mhm. >> I wanted to go home and I admit that that was coming from a bad part of me that I shouldn't have been you know? >> Mhm. >> But, at the same time, like I did not expect him to shove me onto the car. >> Definitely. Yeah, yeah, definitely. >> I I did not expect him to [ __ ] almost arrest me. >> Um >> Especially when I was trying to be like, "Hey, like let's get swap information. Let's do this." You know? >> Um so, >> Been there. >> I'm a Did you notice their vehicle at all? Like on your drive? I'm a >> Panda. 1525 PD Valiers. They're 10-3. >> I don't know if they were the ones that I was trailing up the freeway or not. I can't recall. I literally cannot recall if they were the ones that were was behind or not. >> Um >> Before here. >> Okay, I'm going to ask a few more questions, okay? So, last night you went out, you drank. How much do you think you drank? If you're a ton or not a ton? Uh-huh, okay. Um >> I had a few drinks last night. I had The thing is like probably like three. I last drank was about three years or two years two years ago. Yeah. And I stayed up all night, which is like I said, I'm impatient and tired. And I get that I'm really agitated because I just wanted to go home and sleep. And I understand that's a part of why I'm agitated, which is why I said, "Hey, I get it. I [ __ ] up. I will pay for the damage that I caused in my impatience." And I don't know what to do. What do you do for work? >> A what? Educational assistant? Oh, cool. Oh, that's cool. And you get to work there? Okay. I didn't look at your ID. How old are you? Okay. That's cool you get to work there. Yeah, yeah. It's cool and it sucks. I get it. Understandable. Understandable. Um Let me figure some stuff out. Thank you, ma'am. Let me figure some stuff out, okay? Um My investigation might go a little further. I want to make sure you're okay to drive. You did admit to drinking last night. It sounds like it's been a while. I just want to be sure, okay? Um so, give me a little bit. Chill here. Um Give me a second, okay? Thank you. Caitlyn, right? Okay, cool. Is this mom, Caitlyn? Or is this some random lady? Okay. Um so, this is officer He walked away from me. He's going to make sure you're safe to drive, okay? You admitted to drinking. It's been a while. Um Yeah, since like 2:00 a.m. We're just going to be sure you're safe to drive. Cool. So, he'll be over here in a second. He'll probably take you to the side, check your eyes, and then take it from there. Were you able to get insurance from mom? Cool. So, give one of these guys. They'll ask you for a screenshot. Which show did you go to last night? Cool. If you could, this this gentleman over here uh the shorter one, he'll need that from you. He's going to handle that crash. This right here? So, you could stay here. >> That camera over there caught 12:36 just off the vehicle. 12:36? >> Yep. I have it all written out for you. >> Oh, perfect. Thank you. >> Uh he acts uh kind of came out aggressively, crazy. It's like telling like yelling at her or whatever. >> Can't hear anything. I On their videos, you can't hear anything, either. >> But, she ended up coming out. She sat down. At 12:41, she went to go into the passenger seat and sit down. He grabbed her by the arm. >> 4521 at Edward 116. >> Trunk is >> I have that's >> blocking her from preventing her to go to the >> So there's a partial view of the north side of this building. >> she told him she was going to leave. >> Okay. So Like seriously, on that side Again, I this will be all up to him like maybe use a pool stuff. I don't know. I don't know. >> It's It's hard to say. >> Yeah, exactly. That's Yeah. Stop you're not going to leave. Uh yeah, that's where my That's where I'm at with it. Cool. Hell yeah. I think she's Just When I got super close she's >> She reeks. >> Yeah. I told him at least at least The dude in the hat? Under right he's here. Yeah. Uh Yeah, he's good. Yeah, he's solid. Solid. Solid. Very solid. Yeah. So he said Let me check if I have any 51. So he said he was turned. Like seeing why she was following so close when she hit him. So he's like boom. >> Okay. He didn't want to go, right? >> No. I had him come check him out. He said that. Officer >> All right. Cuz I walked up to Adrian when Adrian was still talking to him. >> Okay. >> And then it was this dude right here in the back. Yeah. This is This is him. >> I don't want to I don't want to talk to you. >> You don't >> what? I'm not talking to you. Did you see me saying, "Hey, excuse me, ma'am?" >> You came up to us. I don't want to talk to you. I don't want to talk to you. Did you see that? >> Keep your mouth shut. I'll walk away. She's being a hostile [ __ ] >> That's fine. Just just go over there, ma'am. >> 40 40 now. >> Yeah. >> Just don't worry about it. >> I saw I saw them pull over and her car pull over behind them. >> Yeah. >> And then I saw him jump out and go around to her car and yank that door open like he was going to pull it off the car. And I went, uh, "Husband." He's like, "What what's going on?" I said, "He's yanked that door open." He goes, "That's not okay." And I said, "I know it's not okay." And then he's yelling at her, definitely yelling at her. And then, uh, and then I don't know what happened on that side of the car, but as I can see, and then I saw her get out and come to the other side of the car. She opened the door and then she wanted to close it and he wouldn't let her close it. And I was like, "Okay, what is going on there?" You know, she wants to close her door a couple times and he would not let her close it. And then, uh, next thing I know, he's got a hold of her and I know who what he is, anyway. And I said, "Okay, wow, that's aggressive." >> Yeah. >> She had her back before she did follow me guys since like second at the sale. She was following us closely. I had to call the police to make sure that she was okay, that she's a danger to the community. >> Do you have the insurance? >> Uh-oh. >> Can I just see your license? >> They're calling you. >> Are you police? >> No, this is a police officer, ma'am. >> Okay. So, I don't I don't know why you would determine her to be intoxicated. >> Cuz she smells like alcohol? >> Hey, can you do me a favor? Hey, can you do me a favor? Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you step away from me right now? I'm talking to him. Go away. You weren't here. Could you please leave? You're not adding any kind of help to this. Go take care of your doctor. >> My doctor? >> Can you come over here for a second? You can use the doctor. Can you come over here for a second? >> That's okay. I wasn't He just He just accused my my daughter of something and I don't think that was appropriate. I said that's fine. I'm not going to be a driver. >> Can you just go over there? If you don't mind, please. It just helps keep everything neat and organized. Okay? So, what's the name of the insurance? >> Uh >> Hang on. >> Yeah, he shouldn't have shoved me against the car. >> Anyways. >> All right. Can you hold on for a second? >> Sorry. Uh the first time was uh was last night. >> You had all of your first thing last night. Okay. Got you. All right. Um so, I just have a few questions for you, all right? >> Yeah. >> Um so, I've been told you might have had a couple of drinks. >> Last night, yeah. I went to a show last night. >> Okay. >> I went to Barcode. It was a techno thing. >> Okay. Anything other than last night with drinks recently? Okay. >> 2:00 a.m. was my last drink. It was like probably right before 2:00 a.m. >> Here's what Here's what I'm going to propose. Are you willing to do some field sobriety tests just to make sure you are good to drive? >> Sorry. >> If I determine that you are good to drive, then you'll probably just be getting some citations and an out of here. Okay. Uh but if I determine that you are not safe to drive, uh then I'm going to have to take you to the station. Okay? All right. Um let's do the tests in the parking lot. It's a little bit more safe. I'd rather do it in a place where it's not so unleveled. >> Probably. >> Yeah. >> The victim went through a series of field sobriety tests and passed them. >> But I don't have enough to arrest you. Okay? >> I swear I just drank last night. You're not going to get a DWI today, okay? >> I'm so sorry. >> But you were I'll tell you what, you were very close. Okay? Um you did very well on my tests. I don't again, I don't have enough to arrest you. But I can tell you you've had something to drink. Or or whatever you had from last night is still in your system. Okay? Um I recommend next time you go out um even if you know, it's the next day and you think you slept it off um if you're still feeling like crap, just call an Uber. Okay? Um cuz it's it's not worth getting the DWI. Like this could have had you done a little bit differently, we would have been having a different day today. I'd have been taking you to jail and we wouldn't have been right here. It would have been a bad day. Okay? >> I know. She's already [ __ ] pissed at me. I'm sorry. I know. >> I just have to let you know >> I've already made bad choices. I get it. They could be worse. >> It could have been >> I'm I'm sorry to everybody. I really am. Even the one that Do you know the one that shoved me into the car? >> I heard he was >> He did [ __ ] shove me into the >> No, he assaulted you and I think she needs to file an assault charge. >> Honestly, that was not cool. >> for him to come out of his car, charge over to her car, circle jam her door open, pull her out. >> I don't know. >> her. >> Well, I >> Yeah, for a fender bender. Come on. >> And I don't know like the >> Honestly though, he shouldn't have shoved me that [ __ ] hard cuz he shoved me into the [ __ ] car. The way that I would expect you to shove me into the car had I failed your test. >> I see. I see. >> I'm just saying. Hey, what's up? Hey, got in a crash. Um Yeah. Hey. Uh yeah. Yeah, love you. Bye. >> What do you all like to say? Um >> So, we How does she file assault charges because she can file assault charges? >> If you if you want to talk So, here's >> Even if she's in the wrong, she doesn't deserve to be assaulted. >> No, I didn't want to >> I'll talk I'll tell you what's going on here, okay? So, um my supervisor's here. Uh from my understanding, she should be over there. Um I guess the >> We have a witness. >> the guy that was here. >> She has a video. She has a video. >> I guess he's an off-duty police officer. >> How That makes it even worse. >> So, I'm not, you know, I'm I can't do anything about that. I can't I wouldn't be the one filing the charges. Like, I don't I, you know, so that I would with that conversation >> You've heard me say that. So, now you need to go and find whoever is going to I going to take the report. >> And my partner also has already been talking with other officers about this. >> Okay. >> Um I Again, I believe my Yeah, my supervisor's here. Um if you want to I If you want I can talk with him. >> Yes. We need it We need it We need it now because she's here, too. The witness who watched it. >> Okay. Again, I don't know I know they're they're having a conversation. Looks like he's on the phone right now. So, I'll just give him a minute. It sounds like this is already being talked about. >> Well, it should be because what the [ __ ] Like I said, I'm not even like joking. I get it. I made a mistake. I was following too closely, but to be shoved against my [ __ ] car? >> Yeah, again, I don't I don't know the circumstances. >> things that I'm like, "Okay, I get it. I made a mistake. I was trying to write it, and then he >> Yeah, it sounds like it was uh >> He took liberties that I wouldn't. I get it. I do. I get it. I made a mistake, and I'm willing to admit it. I really am. I'm tired. I spent way too long out last night, but I was willing to write it. To the point that I'm like, what the [ __ ] I don't know. I I I guess I I get it. We're all humans, but Jesus [ __ ] Christ. >> Yeah, sounds like he was >> Shoving me against the car, he literally was arresting. And I get it. I get it. I spent last night out, tired. I was pushing. >> And like I I mean You've already You've already told me you get it. You know, there was this >> I'm really I'm really I'm sorry. >> I'm telling you you were this close. >> I know, and I get that. >> I said I get that. I really do. >> I would have really hated to arrest you in front of your >> I really would have hated to be arrested in front of my mom. She's already [ __ ] pissing me. >> Yeah, it would have been a different day. But again uh I'm going to go have a talk with my supervisor and see what else we're going to do here, okay? Uh hopefully this is over pretty soon. We can We can get you guys case cards and everybody can just go home and be on their >> Please, I need to go. Thank you. I'm so thirsty. >> I'll be with you in a moment, okay? >> Ginn and his wife were interviewed days later by an Albuquerque Police Department detective. Shortly after a grand jury indicted Ginn on two counts of battery and failure to give information and render aid. Ginn retired from the Albuquerque Police Department before his internal investigation interview.