All right, guys. Welcome back to another exciting ARN podcast. I'm sitting down with an absolute legend. You've probably never heard of him before. No, but his name is Deputy Frank Slope. Nice to meet you, dude. What's up, brother? What's up, dude? It's good to see you this morning, man. You, man. So good to see you. Um, dude, I've got Frank Slope sitting with me right now. That's wild. Dude, you're sat in my passenger seat, man. This isn't anything new. We have spent many hours together uh slinging sights and uh doing all that fun stuff. Slinging sightes and taking selfies. Man, that's my job. That is your job. That's 90% of my job. And you said that I want to say you said that as soon as we started, but I didn't realize how true it was. Like I was like, "Oh my god, this guy is he's a celebrity." Like I live a different version of life than most traffic cops. Yeah. Yeah. It was absolutely mind-blowing. Um I've never experienced experienced anything like that. And you've ridden around with some cops. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It's I'm telling you my my experience where I work is unlike anything anywhere else. And you can't understand it unless you jump in the passenger seat and ride with me and just like hear the people going by and beeping. And like it's weird. People wave at me with all their fingers. Total. totally different than other cops. Like I get I get all of them. Um it's it's awesome. It's I I explain it as the most humbling experience of my life has been Fridays with Frank and like and everything that's happened. Uh the relationships that I've made, the I mean the the people that I've I've had contact with. It's I never ever would I have thought ever in a million years starting out my career coming up on 24 years ago that I'd be sitting here in a podcast because I'm this traffic cop that people like when I write tickets. Like it's it's it's wild. It is. God, that's amazing. Well, Frank, before we get started, I uh this will be the first time we've done this, but we've got a gift for you. Um our good friends over at Anon Mammo, uh Nate specifically, he's the owner. Um he knew you were coming on the podcast and uh he wanted to say or he he was like, "Dude, Frank's going to be there." Absolutely. Uh I'm I'm partnered with you guys and and help Frank out. Wow. Give him a gift. So, got something for you. I was like, I have a coin in a patch for you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Open up that bad boy, dude. Yo, that's a Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, yeah. City in that box, they have gifted you uh Sig P365, the AXG Legion. Yo, fun little toy for you. Like legit for me. legit for you, dude. That is that is awesome. So, holy cow, dude. Thank you, man. After the podcast, don't thank me. Thank Anthem Ammo. Nate, they are absolutely incredible, man. As soon as they heard you're going to be on, they're like, "Absolutely. Let's do this, dude." So, Anthem Ammo, that thing just feels good, man. It's a badass pistol, man. That's a badass pistol. Holy cow, dude. Thank you. Thank you so much, Nate. Thank you. Holy Holy cow. That's a smaller gun on that, too. Smaller than the gun that I have uh here with me. Yeah. So, right on. I'm going to put a sight on this thing. Dude, right on, man. I'm going to put this thing back in there so we so we know it's uh we know it's empty. Right on. So, Anthem Ammo, guys. If you're if you're local here in Arizona, check out Anthem Ammo. Absolutely goated. Those guys are great. Are they out of Anthem? They're out of Anthem. Okay. I do believe so. Yeah. Like I17 in Anthem, like up in North Phoenix. That's a great question. I'm not I'm not paused out. Yep. Yep. I got the thumbs ups from Nate. So, all right. Well, I also haven't been there yet. And I like I'm a big like Arizona supporter like cuz I'm like I'm looking for sponsors for my my YouTube channel. You have yours? So, I'm looking for but I want sponsors like that I can I can get behind, you know, and I love stuff that's here in Arizona. 100%. I got them. Yeah, like I've got, you know, emails like, "Hey, um, hey, we got these glad these sunglasses from Klaistan. You know, if you could rep these if like absolutely not." Like, no. First of all, I love Oakley's. Like, I'm an Oakley wearer. It's it's it's just the brand that looks good on me. I've worn them my whole career. I just like them. I'm not gonna I'm not just going to take someone's, you know, money and stuff just to be like, "Oh, I'm I rep these, you know, fake lees." Absolutely not. Like it's not like I just I need to be able to to get behind it and something like Anthem Ammo that's here. Yes. Like I so I can I respect that like you saying it because it's here and it's local in our here and it's local. Um and uh supporting local is is just the best thing we can do. It's small business and like I'm a I come from a small business family. I've ran well I currently run a small business and um and I've run and lost a small business during COVID. So I'm a I'm kind of a small business guy. So I like I like that. I like keeping those small like I eat at small businesses, right? Like I don't I don't really like I'm not a big I mean every once in a while you got to you know you go to a chain and it's it's okay but you just get better service and better food at little mom and pop places. They're working harder for you. They want your they want your service or they want your uh your uh what's the word I'm looking for? Yeah. They're they're going to work harder for you to get you in their in their Yeah. And they want you to come back and they want you to spread the word about hey I went to this little hole in the wall place and it was the best food I've had. You should go there. That's it. So, and I've I love sharing those places. You and I went to lunch at one of those places when you rode with me. Place that's not a corporate place. It's owned by a family. Food is awesome. And we go there all the time. And I tell other people to go there because they're great. That's it. You know, I'm not like, "Hey, go to fill in the blank of a of a giant corporate, you know, McDonald's or Chili's or Chick-fil-A." I mean, and look, I love the Lord's Chicken. Okay. Not let's not throw shade on Chick. That's true. That's That's one of my favorites. It is one of my favorites, too. But we have great I mean, in you know, where I work, a lot of those businesses support the sheriff's office so much. It's great. So, absolutely. I'm a small business guy at heart. You and I both. In fact, I want to say you took me to uh there's a a pork shop. They have a big pork uh or a big pig out in their front. They make uh pork saus like sausage links and stuff like that. They do everything there. Super small business. Been there forever. Yes. So good, dude. I remember thinking I I've got to go back. I haven't yet cuz it's actually a good little distance from me. But uh man, I stop in there and get those little pork sticks all the time, like just as a snack. Money. But again, it's a small place. That place has been in Santan Valley forever. I mean, it has been there. It's a staple. If you live in Santan Valley, you know where it is. Um there's been all sorts of construction around there and they've stayed open through all the construction because people are dieh hard. like I want to get my pork chops here. I want to get my sausage here because it's it's just it's local, man. It's it's that place. So, that's another great place. I have a guy took you there. That's what it's about. That's it. Well, dude, uh let's get into who Frank Slope is. Obviously, everyone knows you, right? But I want to I want to know who Frank is. I want to know uh what your hobbies are. What do you what do you do in your pastime? Uh, who is Frank Slow? Oh man, that's a it's a it's it's a good I'm glad we have some time here because there's a lot there's a lot to unpack there. Sure. Um, I'm a commercial fisherman. So I'm a commercial fisherman, so I grew up on the water. Um, you know, I'm uh I don't know. I'm from Maine, right? No, I did I did my undergrad in Maine. You did? Okay. Um I'm So I'm from the the Southshore of Long Island. So I'm from New York, but like 45 50 miles east of the city. So like when people think of New York, they think of like New York City. I'm from Long Island, way way way out in Suff County. So my hometown police department, Suff County PD. So I uh love those guys. They take good care of me. You hang out with them often when you go back? I when I when I go back, I try to I always try to make contact with some like they have a marine bureau and those guys really take care of my dad. So um last time I was there, I met with some of those guys and um we were actually out on the water and uh they came out, you know, our boats just happened to pass and they came out. We're like Frank. So that's cool. So it was cool. I introduced them to my dad and you know they're they're out there keeping those guys safe out on the water. So it's yeah very very cool. So it's my hometown PD. Um so I was born and raised there. Um so I'm a Long Islander. I am a I am a islander. You know Long Island started out as you know whale whale fishing whale hunting. Yep. Whailing community way back in the day out of Montalk Point and Orient. Um so it started there as islanders as people that lived on the island and lived off the water. Um which is what my dad's still doing right now. Actually, I haven't even talked to him yet this morning because he's still fishing. Wow. So, uh, so he's still out there. He's 78. Still works every single day pretty much from first week in April through like the last week in November. Wow. He's just that that old generation, man. And that's tough work, right? Yeah. That's really tough work. I've seen the videos that you posted on the channel and uh yeah, it just it seems like an awesome way of life. I've always been interested in it. It's so simple, man. It's just it's all based on how much you work. Yeah, that's it. It's not you just have to put the time in and work and it's just like he doesn't have vacation days. He doesn't have PTO time and sick time and you know flex time and you know he doesn't have any of that. He's just if he stays at home he doesn't make any money. Wow. So he is just every day he just goes out and works out out grinding. Uh he of course owns his own boat and yeah guys work for him and uh you know he runs the boat and has 50s something years of knowledge and experience up in his head where he's like well the water temperature is this and it's this month I'm going to set my traps over here because I know this is the first place where the water warms up. You know it's it's his level of knowledge. I mean, when he looks out at the bay, it's So, we we I grew up fishing. Where he fishes now is on the Great South Bay, which is an inland waterway um on the southshore of Long Island between Fire Island, which is a barrier island and Long Island. So, it's a there's a little body of water there. Um it's called the Great South Bay. That's where I grew up. And um like when I look out there, I just see water. as he looks out there, he sees the the underwater topography of like where channels go and flats and there's a sandbar there and you know, so as he looks at it, he looks at it through his mind is something totally different and it's it's it never ceases to amaze me. It's amazed me as, you know, since I was a kid where he could just go and just look around and be like, "Well, there's a water tower there and a buoy there or that dock over there. Okay, that channel's right over here." and he'll be going all of a sudden just you can see on the depth recorder that it it goes down and he just knows it because he's been there for so long. He has it down to his science. That's amazing. Oh, it's unbelievable. My wife and I just yesterday went to Apache Lake and did some fishing or tried to to fish. There we go. It's a hard lake to fish. It is, man. We didn't We were probably out there for a good solid two hours. didn't catch anything. But it always amazes me that these fishermen uh can just go out there, cast the line, they they know exactly the the right spots. Um Yep. Little underwater. You know, there Hey man, it's gets shallow here and they're going to sit on this incline because the water temperatures here or the fish, you know, the bait fish are moving in here and you know, these bass are going to come up from the deep water or it's, you know, it's starting to get warm. So, you know, they're going to start, you know, start the spawn. So they're looking for places, you know, looking for fish on beds and Oh, yeah, man. The guys that guys that are out here and fish here in the in the desert lakes, those guys are honed in on it, man. Wow. Yeah, that's so cool, man. So, yeah, I I want to I want to become a better fisherman. There's a lot of things I want to become better at it, but fishing is one of those things that I uh really love to do. um definitely uh suck at it, but uh I think it's a valuable thing to learn and um yeah, it is it's and it's one of I mean, you ask about my pastimes, it is one of my I hunt and I fish. Those are those are really like out of all the things that I love most. I cook and I hunt and I fish. So, in the summer and, you know, spring summer, early fall, man, I'm always looking for places to fish. Um, I just booked a trip to Costa Rica. Um, so I've been wanting to go there for you. I've been wanting to catch. You know what a rooster fish is? I've heard of it. I don't Okay. So, saltwater fish. Um, really it's a uh it's not a fish that it's a sport fish, but not a fish that you catch to eat. Okay. Um, so they've got seven big dorsal fins that come up way high off their back. Um, and they're they're known most for pushing bait fish into the shore and they go through the waves in the shore. So, they're super powerful. They push these bait fish up and then eat them as they're baldled up on shore, you know, right against the shore. So great. So I've gone to Cabo twice trying to catch this thing and I haven't. Wow. So you're supposed to be able to catch them. There's a higher concentration of them down in Costa Rica. So I'm going to Costa Rica to catch those fish. That's it. I am literally going there specifically for that. Wow. So uh why couldn't you eat the rooster fish? It's just not a the meat's just not Yeah. That's not not one of the one of the fish that you really like though like jack craval and and rooster fish. They're just there's just fish that barracuda is another one like they're fish that like hey man they're great to catch but you're just like ah just going to throw these back. Yeah. So yeah. So it's it's in that you know it's not like the people love sword swordfish is great great to eat. It's a game fish but it's also great table fair. U mahi mahi same thing or dolphin or um you know whatever you decide to call them. Um, they're great sport fish, but also great to eat. And rooster fish are just great sport fish. And then you let them go. So, I am hoping to have like like like I want to hold one like this. I want I want like a 30 40 pound. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Get the picture to prove it, too. So, I'm going. So, I went with um I took my sbatical last year and I went to Florida. Traveled all around the state of Florida. Um hung out with a bunch of cops and I fished everywhere. Um, so I so I went down to um I was in Alligator Alley, which is down um kind of in the south down by Fort Lauderdale. Um like southeastern Florida. Um went with a great guy down there. So we're there. I specifically wanted to catch uh peacock bass. Peacock bass, which is the only place you can catch them in the United States is in Florida. Oh wow. So I wanted to catch you catch them really like a lot down in uh Mexico, but in the United States, as far as I know, I think Florida is the only place you can get them. No kidding. So, I wanted to catch one. It's kind of a bucket list fish. So, I went down there, got with a great guide. Um, and do you ever on So, on your time on YouTube, you ever watch the Outdoor Boys? I have heard of it. Okay. I don't know if I've watched it, but I've I've come across it. Yeah. So, guy that runs it, his name's Luke. Um, super interesting backstory. So, he was a he was a defense attorney and then he's got I think he's got three boys, two or three boys. And so he started making videos about like fishing with his boys, like nothing. They started getting so popular that he closed his law practice down and just lives off of YouTube money. Wow. It's like what you and I wanted. Yeah, exactly. He's got like 14 million followers. Oh my gosh. And he is His videos are awesome. Well, I was watching one and he go he went fishing with a guide down in Florida and he put the guy's link down in Oh, okay. In the description. So, I contacted that guy. I was like, "Hey, man. I want to go fishing with you." He was like, "All right." So, I I scheduled a trip and went down there, phoneing with him. So, it was cool because we talked about that. Sure. You know, he had he was like, "You're the guy." It's like, so the guy had had, you know, family that that had been in law enforcement. So, he had come across my stuff. Wow. And didn't put it together until I get a lot like, "Hey, I heard your voice." And he's like, "Hey, you sounded familiar on the phone." He's like, "Now I see you." He's like, "You're I watch your videos." I was like, "Yeah." Oh my god. So, I told him I was like, "Hey, man. I found I found your spot off of Luke on Outdoors." And um dude does a ton Luke does a ton of like survival stuff, hunting, fishing, camping, and um so I found his link. So, I'm down there fishing with this guy in Florida. And um I told him, man, I really want to catch rooster fish. And he's like, I got the guide for you. Like, he's down in Costa Rica. This is the guy you go with. So now, a year later, I was like, man, I really want to catch a rooster fish. I think I want to go to Costa Rica. I was like, I got a guide down there. So, I called the guide in Florida. I'm like, hey, that guy's name. And he's like, man, this is the guy. His name's Corey. Um fish down in Costa Rica. Like, this guy will hook you up. All right. So I I hit him up and hit me right back. Scheduled it. Has no idea who I am, which is awesome. Like I'm just I'm just a dude wanting to catch a rooster fish. So um yeah. So awesome. So they're kind of helping me plan. So I've got this whole like puddle jumper all the way down to southwestern Costa Rica and I'm going to fish off the Oso Peninsula at Puerto Yz. And uh I'm going I'm going in May. I am going to go and catch I'm going to catch a rooster fish. Do you take anyone with you? Uh I'll my girlfriend will come with you. Okay. Cat will come with you. Yep. Yep. So, she's gonna come with me and and she's obviously big into hunting and fishing and she's getting into it. Okay. So, she is she's from the urban jungle. Yes. And uh um didn't always want I always had an interest in it but never really did it growing up. Um so now she's dating me and she's like, "Oh, you do all this stuff I've always been interested in." So we do like she loves the what's now, you know, called like, "Hey, it's farmtotable." like you know like you you catch it and then you clean it and then you cook it and then you eat it which is what I've done all my life because growing up with dad I mean we ate stuff off the water caught clams and you know stuff that you catch as a by catch and you just bring it home and you eat it. It's just like I never thought about it being like well it's just farm to table. This is all organic. Like I haven't eaten organic like since I was like that big. I just never thought about it because I'm not a yepy. Sure. But um but but it's but she she recognized that like hey this is really cool that we could go out and go to a lake up in northern Arizona and catch trout and then bring them home and cook it and eat it. I'm like yeah it's like it's what I've done my whole life and she just she thinks it's the greatest thing. So I killed an elk a couple years ago. She skinned it out like she is she has no like I don't do that. Like she is all in. We went hog hunting. Same thing man. She skinned it, quartered them. We brought him back, brought him to right down the street from the pork shop is a place called uh Miller Southwest Processing in in again small business, small family-owned business in Santan Valley. And um so I froze all that pork, all the like wild hog that we killed in Texas, brought it back and had Millers, they made summer sausage out of it and all this stuff. So yeah, so we've got a whole freezer full of like elk and deer and wild hog and Yeah, that's right. In fact, I want to say uh it was our first my first ride with you. You took me over to your place and you gave me a massive summer sausage. That's what that was. That was that hog that we killed that Miller's made. Dude, that was so freaking good. Yep. They did that. I think I ate that in less than a week. I It was terrible. But not appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But God, that was so good, man. But that was made right down the road right there out of hogs that we killed. So it's like I don't like I'm not out killing [ __ ] if I can't eat it. Like I have no I have no need to kill something if I'm not going to eat it. And uh yeah, so that was it. So we killed a bunch of hogs and brought everything back and had everything turned into into dinner. So we had like you also like and sausage and sweet Italian sausage and summer sausage, breakfast sausage, and all this stuff. So we're just Yeah. Damn. Eat it all the time, man. All the sausage. That is cool, man. That is cool. That's also something I've I think I've said this in the past couple podcast. Uh the the previous two uh uh deputies that I've had on are also big into hunting and uh it tends to be a deputy thing. I I think so. I'm seeing a trend here. Yeah. We're we're kind of like we like being out, you know, more rural. We don't like being in the city. Yeah. And a lot of guys just don't want to talk to people because you're talking to people every day, right? Yeah. I just want to go out and I want to fish. I want to be quiet. Like I want to sneak through the woods. I want to, you know, out here. like I just want to, you know, creep up to a point in glass and like I don't want to I don't want to be out talking to people. Hunting and fishing is the perfect escape from all that cuz it's like, yeah, this isn't the time to talk. Shut up. Like just look through your binoculars and find your thoughts and I totally understand that, man. Well, that's cool, man. Um, so what led you into law enforcement? How did you get the idea to to get into law enforcement? Um, again came from being with my dad actually. Um, so in commercial fishing there's a ton of stealing that happens just because like your traps are out there like anyone could go and grab a buoy and pull it up and see what So some of it's curiosity. Some people actually go out with the intent to steal. Wow. And it's happened since I was a little kid. And my mom told me that and my dad always [ __ ] about it because it's, you know, it's it's literally taking money out of his pocket. Um so in that and having that as a basis of having dad always you know having people steal from him. Um my just it does a little dark. Okay. Um so um so mom said that when I was young I was like I'm going to be a I'm a police officer and I'm going to arrest people that steal from you. So that was it was seeing people steal from my dad. Um, so what I learned early on is, hey, there's cops that just deal with hunting and fishing and they're called game wardens. That's right. So in the state of New York, it's the New York State Department of Environmental Environmental Conservation. So they abbreviated as DEEC. Um, so DEEC handles anything environmental. So they do they enforce commercial fishing laws. They also enforce hunting laws, fishing laws, anything like if someone's dumping gasoline down a down a storm drain, they deal with that. Um, deal with with commercial pollution, you know, residential pollution, all that stuff. Like they're they're an agency with a a really broad spectrum of responsibilities as far as it goes. Um, so but those are the people that we had the most contact with because they would check my dad to make sure that he's, you know, within, you know, all of maintaining all the regulations. Sure. Um making sure he's not catching too many of this species or that species that all the his traps are in regulation, all that stuff. Well, they also check you during hunting fishing hunting season and during fishing season. So we'd run into him when we were trout fishing and run into him when we're duck hunting out on the island or deer hunting. So I was like that's the job I want. Like what a great job. So I found the school and that you go to to be a game warden and it's in Maine. So like when I graduated high school, I only applied to one college. It was only one place I wanted to go and it was there and I got accepted and I went there and that's where I got my bachelor's. So I spent four years in Maine just hunting and fishing. Maine's an awesome state. U right now politically they're a skew. Yeah. But hunting and fishing awesome. Off the charts great. I've heard that. So um so I went there and just I I mean I hunted and fished for four years and they gave me a degree and I left. If they would have offered a masters, I would have stayed there for another two years just to just to catch more fish. I believe it. Oh, unbelievably awesome. So, had a great experience there. Got my bachelor's. Um, in my the end of my junior year, I had to do a um internship. So, I did an internship with New York and then I realized they don't pay game wardens anything. Yeah. Same thing here in Arizona. So, they have the best job and they make no money. Yeah, like it is. Yeah, but you have like That's cool, man. Like you have a boat assigned to you and an ATV and, you know, four-wheel drive. You could do this, you could do that. It's great. Like, but you have to work all the hunting seasons. So, like your hunting seasons are kind of messed up and you're not really making anything. Not a lot of like opportunity for advancements. And I was like, "Oh, maybe I don't want to do this. That doesn't make any sense. Go and get a degree." Which I think you have to have a degree, right? uh for for some for for um game and fish. Okay. Back then when I in 2000 when I started this this kind of law enforcement journey, you had to have a bachelor's degree. Wow. Yeah. And then so and of course like I had the bachelor's degree like I had the degree to do this job. Um my my degree is a it's a mixture of of law enforcement and biology. So it's a it's called conservation law enforcement. So it's like they took those two degrees and married them. So I took all of the ologies like ichthology, mammology, dendrology, ornithology, all the chemistries, organic chemistry, analytical chemistry, all of those along with all the law enforcement classes. Super cool degree. Like super specialized, super cool. Um yeah, and then now I don't use it. I just now I'm a deputy and I'm like, ah, cool. Like I'm still here, but I still like I check dove hunters on September 1st, which is the opening day, dove season. Um, when I used to work by where you could water foul hunt, I would check duck hunters. Um, you know, and there's you'd run into guys all the time that didn't know what they killed. Like they just knew they killed a duck. Like, hey man, do you know what this is? Well, yeah, it's a, you know, yeah, it's a ringneck. Like, hey man, that's a hen wijon. Oh, no, it's not. I'm like, uh, let's look at this. Like, look, see, short blue bill, not a big wide bill. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah, man. Like luckily you're still within your your limit, but you should probably know what you're shooting before. Absolutely. So like when I was when I was hunting, my dad wouldn't let me he wouldn't let me kill a duck until I could identify everything that flew by on the way. Yep. Wow. So which was easy because when I took ornithology in in uh you know in college. Oh yeah. I was like ringneck buffalo head canvas back mard gadwall you know. Like I knew everything because dad had taught me. I mean, we spent a ton of time just going and and looking through binoculars and like freshwater ponds and identifying all the different ducks and knowing what they look like so that when I was hunting them that I wouldn't shoot over my limit in a species that you're not allowed to. So, yeah. So, I took all of that experience that I had from my growing up and being, you know, being an outdoorsman growing up and then when I went to college, things were super easy. Wow. So, yeah, that is cool. Oh, super cool. Super super cool. So, what led you out to Arizona then? I know you you got hired with uh an agency first. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about that. Um and then from there you you moved on to panel. What got you out to Arizona of all places? In 91 my mom and stepdad and baby sister moved here from New York. Okay. So mom and dad divorced um and they moved out here and the job market out here in 2000 when I graduated college. It was awesome. I mean, it was still I mean, obviously Arizona is still growing, but in 2000, it was really growing and um so it was everyone was hiring. I mean, I had a super clean background and a bachelor's degree. I mean, I can get hired anywhere. So, Wow. I came out here and got hired. Wow. Yeah. And of course, you have a huge following, man. I I uh just a couple days ago on the uh Find Frank Facebook page, someone posted a picture of you with your previous agency and it didn't even look like you. I had to really like, oh my god, that is Frank. Um that was in 2016 where that came from. Wow. So that was the first time that Trump ran and Yeah. You've got you've got super fans out there who are going through footage or photos and they're like they're specifically looking for Frank in some of these. It's just wild, man. A whole Facebook page dedicated to finding you out on the road. It's insane. Yeah. I met the lady that that created that page. Is that right? She lives in Santan. Okay. She wanted to totally remain anonymous. Didn't want anything. Wanted no recognition. and um she's just a just like a housewife mom and she's like, "I just wanted there to be something nice, just something positive." And I was like, "You're awesome." So, she created that and it's like it's grown. Like, I have nothing to do with it. I've absolutely I it's her page. She's the monitor narrator or whatever it is. And yeah, but she's she started this and people seek me out to take pictures with me. Yes, they do. I've obviously witnessed it firsthand, but yeah, see seeing a lot of these posts on there. People will pull over. Um, well, dude, I remember being in the car with you and uh you're out on a on a traffic stop and people will pull over and want to talk to you while you're working. It's like, dude, in my mind, I'm like, dude, buzz off. This guy's working right now. It's wild. I try to tell people that. I'm like, look, there's the right time to like contact me. It's not when I have someone pulled over. and I'm on the side of the road and I'm, you know, trying to write a ticket and then someone walks up like, "Hey, can I get a picture with you?" I'm like, like, "Look, man, I don't walk up to the McDonald's counter, you know, while you're flipping fries and ask to take a picture with you, right? Cuz you're working. Like, let me work." And um, but like a lot of times, yeah, like if I'm gassing up at the gas station, you know, I run in the QT and grab a, you know, grab a drink or something like that. Like that those times, those are great times. Sure. Totally. You know, when I and probably the majority of time that's I take a lot of pictures when I'm pumping gas. Oh, I bet. Oh, I know that. I know that. Um, that's cool. So, so tell me um uh well, let's start with panel. U Well, no, let's start with this. Where did your rise to? And I know you probably don't like it this this terminology, but where did the shift happen? Uh where did the shift happen? Were you already with Panal? Um, and was it just Sam who went out and filmed with you or was it live PD? Where did this rise to fame come from? Where did it start? Probably probably life. So, I was on um I don't know, man. I've been I've been on I just somehow a blur. Somehow I keep getting on on uh on TV somehow. Um, so I was on um there was a show for a couple seasons called or for one season called The Women in Maricopa County. Okay. Um, I was on that briefly. Um, Steven Seagal was a um like a honorary posimman here in the valley. Um, I was on Steven Seagal law man for an episode. That's cool. Yeah. So it was kind of cool. Got to meet him. He he spent a bunch of time here up in the valley for a while. Um and then I was on live PD uh for a little bit right before um like it became not cool to like law enforcement. Remember that time when time in the world when all of a sudden for absolutely no reason just because you did a job you were like the devil. Y um so during that time um right before then I had a live PD camera crew with me. Um my cameraman was awesome. super cool dude. Um he we're still friends like we text back and forth. He's in Florida now, but he had uh like we just we became great friends. So he rode along with me when I was just a regular patrol deputy before I went to the traffic unit. Um so he had a whole bunch of videos in line and then all of a sudden they were like, "Dope." So, I think I only I think I only had two episodes with me in them. But he had a bunch of pack what he called packages that were like an episode with me in it and they just disappeared. They're gone. They're they're locked in a vault somewhere. Yeah. No kidding. So, when when all of a sudden when it was like, "Hey, we don't want to have any affiliation with law enforcement." Um, which is it's the weird thing about this career. Like, you know, it's find any other career that someone in a totally different part of the world does something and all of a sudden you're demonized. Yeah. It's insane, man. I mean, it's every I mean, not to throw shade on teachers, but I just I think of it because it's the first thing that came to mind. Like, you have a teacher does something inappropriate with a student in Minnesota. Teachers in Arizona aren't demonized. Right. Right. Like a doctor does something inappropriate with a patient in Alabama. Doctors in Arizona aren't demonized. That's right. But if a cop does something in Massachusetts, I'm demonized here. That's it. Like there's no there's no correlation to any other occupation except us. It's the craziest thing. It is crazy. Society has just decided that that's okay. And well, in that case, I don't even know. It must have been must have been Minnesota, right? It was Minnesota. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, a cop does something in and the backstory and all the under like there's a lot more to that story than just what the media portrays, you know, cuz they're the media. Take that for take that for what it is. Um, but they, you know, that happens in Minnesota and all of a sudden live PD pulls out of an agency in southern Arizona because we do the same job. I craziest thing. No sense. Yep. It's absolutely I mean, and even before that, um, like during the I was I was obviously on the job during the Michael Brown thing, which obviously the whole hands up, don't shoot thing was found to be an absolute falsehood. That's right. That never happened. It's been proven that it's never happened, but it's been like an anthem for the ignorant. And I mean, while working during that time, and we had I people would do that every day. We heard it. Cops everywhere. And I guarantee it wasn't here in Arizona. It wasn't just on the West Coast. I bet you it was cops everywhere. I to right now there's a cop watching watching this in Washington or in Arkansas that's like, "Yep, I remember that. That was dumb. So, but it's again, it's something that law enforcement gets put into this this box that no one else gets put into even if the circumstances are absolutely linear. So true. And it's so sad. It is. It is an absolute disservice to the guys that are doing this job. That's it. And you hit on the head. I mean, there's so many uh uh career fields out there that Yeah, they make a mistake and yet they're not demonized, but yeah, cops are, man. It's a crazy thing. It's very, very unfortunate. So during that time, I had a couple episodes on live PD. They pulled out and shortly after that, I ended up going to the traffic unit in 2020. Um, so I was the new guy in the traffic unit. Sam was relatively new to the sheriff's office as um not the PIO, like the top, but kind of the the second. Sure. Um, so he was doing pretty much all of the social media content for the sheriff's office. So not just riding along with me, um, but riding along with everyone, with the sheriff, with K9, with search and rescue, with all the different, you know, specialty units that we have. Um, just displaying how great the agency is and how much we do to serve the citizens that that we serve. So, um, they started Arizona right around that time put in a, um, textree, hands-free driving. So, distracted driving or hands-free driving, whatever you want to call it. Um, no texting and driving is pretty much what it was. Um, so they put that out there. Sheriff's office wanted to be like, "Hey, we are enforcing this. We're going to make a video of us enforcing this." Well, who enforces it most but the traffic unit. So, at the time, I was the newest member to the traffic unit. So, I was the rookie and PIO's office says, "Hey, we want to make this video." And the boss there at the time was like, "Um, you're the rookie. You get the cameraman." And I was like, "Oh, fair enough. You got you got to do your time in the barrel." So, um, so I, you know, I had this guy Sam, I've never met him before. He gets in my car and we go out for a day and just and I just very specifically look for texting violations or talking on the phone violations to enforce. Um so that we can highlight that the sheriff's office is is enforcing these. And we go out, we make a great video. Um Sam gets good content, puts it out with Sam's style, and he's got he's got definitely has a very specific style. Totally. Um, so he puts it out and sheriff's office gets some pretty good traction with that. And this was on YouTube. This is on Facebook. Oh, on Facebook. Okay. I think Facebook is where kind of where it started. So on the sheriff's office Facebook page. So he goes out and does that. Maybe a couple weeks later, we put out another video about um like back to school stuff, you know, stopping for school buses with the stop sign out. And um so I get a good stop there and got some more traction and Sam kind of went to the people of the higher up, the sheriff, the number one, number two, number three and we're like, "Hey, look, I want to make a video series with this guy. I really I really like it. I really think he's, you know, I think we can do something with this." And um so he gets approval above me. And then comes to me and he's like, "Hey man, I want to do this." I was like, "Absolutely not, man." At the time I had, you know, I had almost 20 years on, I was like, "Hey, I'm I'm good, man. I don't like I'm good." He was like, "Well, the sheriff really likes the idea." You're like, "Oh, shit." Well, you got me now. So, the sheriff likes him. What am I? Who am I? You know, but I'm just I'm the rookie in the traffic unit. So, um yeah. So, they So, we started making them and started putting them out. It started out not every Friday. Um and then it became now it's every Friday. every Friday. Yes. Now it's every Friday we try to put out a video. Um things get screwed up like when I take vacations and you know I I leave town for um I I had some family stuff going on December in why I had some family stuff going on in August and then again in December where I was gone for like a month, right? And um so we they didn't have uh content. They didn't have content. So then we didn't have one every Friday. But we really the agency tries to put one out every Friday. So, um, Sam has since happened, the inception of Fridays with Frank, Sam has left the sheriff's office, went into the private sector, and then came back to the sheriff's office, and now he is the PIO. So, he is he has he has upgraded. Um, so he took his boss's job and he is now the PIO and now he has a cameraman working for him. Now, that cameraman working for him rides with me. That is cool. Yep. So, and that's Yeah. So, we're we're still doing it. And, you know, there's just the different styles and and stuff, which is kind of neat because now you have two creative geniuses that are that are there, you know, working together to put content out for the sheriff's office. And they and again, what I really like is that it's it's not just me. Like, they just put out an awesome uh April Fool's Day video. Um, did you see it? I don't think I did. It's awesome. It was it was a great idea. It was Sam's idea. Um, and it was that the sheriff's office was going to have uh inmates be our armorers. I didn't see this. Awesome. Oh, yeah. Such It was so good. It was so good. So, they had um Sam was actually one of the actors in there. They they they used they didn't use inmates. They used uh deputies, dispatchers, and Sam um as dressed up as inmates playing with guns. And it's it was awesome. And this was Sam's idea. It was Sam's idea. Genius. So again, Sam is like we've I I love the fact that we are we're we're such good friends. Um and just like Sheriff Lamb, Sheriff Lamb was my boss and my friend. Yes. Now he's not my boss anymore, but he's still my friend. So, like we talk weekly and I love that I've one of the benefits of having this is that he and I have had so much time together that we've we've grown this great friendship um based on on a mutual respect and I mean he's I I describe him all the time as walking around with mere mortals. Yes. I mean that guy is he is built different. He's just he is he's just a different human being. And uh I was incredibly lucky to have the opportunity to see what he did to the culture of the of you know of the agency. Um or even just law enforcement period and as a voice for law enforcement and as a voice for border security and as as a voice even for Fridays with Frank as a voice of look sometimes this job isn't pretty. It's just not. Sometimes we tell people, look, I'm going to pull you out of your car. That I mean, sometimes people don't like that. It doesn't mean that it's wrong or it's improper or it's immoral or it's illegal. Sometimes it's just life. Like sometimes we punch people in the face. Sometimes we ram people's cars. It's just it's it is the part of our job. It's sometimes you have to be very aggressive and sometimes you have to be violent to keep people safe. That's right. And Sheriff Lamb understood that and said, "Look, man, sometimes it doesn't look good on camera. It doesn't mean it's not good. It just sometimes the the optics up. You know, the people talk about the headline test. The headline test is sometimes it's kind of [ __ ] because you get one version of a story or you get a flash of a story and it's not. You have you have no idea what the backstory is. You have no idea what the the totality of the circumstances were surrounding that. All you see is, you know, you see a deputy punch someone in the face. Oh my god, that's excessive force. That's right. Well, that's pro, you know, maybe, right? If it's I mean, it's totally different if it's like I get up right now and I punch you in the face. That's different. But the backstory to that is, you know, you just said something that would invoke a physical response. I give you that physical response, but all they show is the response, and they don't show the preemptive action. Well, so you know, you don't it's it's just not fair. And the media loves to sensationalize that little that little sliver of, hey, this happened without showing everything that preceded that. Exactly right. That that justifies it. And you have, you know, you have experts out there that are like, look, that's not true. And we had one right in Phoenix here um that a uh a company called Force Science got involved in um where a guy shot at Phoenix PD and they went in there and um again they they take a a snippet of body war on camera and they're like well look at this and for science looked at the totality and we're like absolutely not. Look at all of these other factors of the things that were going on that you didn't take into account. But the media loves to say, "Look at how bad Phoenix PD is. They did that. Those Phoenix guys did nothing wrong. Those guys were awesome." They chased a guy that just shot at them into a store where that guy could have just been laying there in wait and shot every one of them when they came through the door. And those Phoenix guys went, "You know what? We're going to do it anyway cuz that's how we keep people safe." That's right. And the media tries to demonize them. Absolutely not. That's [ __ ] Yeah. So, I mean, let me tell you, we we work quite a bit with with guys from Phoenix. Bad guys tend to um not care what county they're in. So, they'll go from Phoenix to Panel or Panel to Phoenix. And so, we work with those guys. Um Phoenix's SWAT team is awesome. Those guys are absolutely legit. We do a ton of training with them. We have taken a lot from them. Um they're a high-speed team. They're unbelievably well trained, well funded. Um, so and they have trained a lot of us, including me. I've gone through their CQB school. Um, we we sent our snipers to our sniper school. Um, I mean, they're just they're great. They're just a great agency. But, um, you know, to say that those guys are doing are doing things wrong when really they're doing things right and have a letter a level of of, you know, a heroic level of 10 going into something like that. And, you know, and the media is like, look what they did. Absolutely not. It just that's right on so many times when I look at things and I'm like the media is just terrible. I know dude they're and you know and not to say everyone because I had a great interview with John Hook um on Fox 10 and that guy is great. Yes. I mean we had a great conversation and we sat down and we talked like this. We but like you and I have you know some back experience and we know each other. I went in there and I'd never met John Hook before. We sat and talked for three minutes, five minutes maybe in the green room and he was like, "Let's go do this." And they slapped a mic on me and exactly the interview that we did just sitting there watching, you know, clips of videos and stuff is exactly what they aired. And um guy was great. So, you know, you could cherrypick people in the media that are great, but I think overall their attempt to sensationalize something good into something bad so that they can get views or they can% correct, you know, they can more push their narrative of, hey, this is, you know, law enforcement's bad or, you know, whatever whatever the narrative is that that they're pushing that isn't the truth. That's right. Um, it's it it's out there. I mean, that's that's a legit thing. And if you listen to guys like Tucker Carlson, um, who I started listening to, and that guy's been doing amazing interviews. Not saying that everything he does is 100% correct, because, you know, I mean, you're not going to agree with everything anyone does, but he's got some really interesting people to show how skewed um what what the general public gets from the media is. Oh, man. I believe that. And I'm sure you well I was just about to tell you that I'm in a unique position where I'm very prole right but I also have a YouTube channel and understand that certain clips are going to do really well better than others right so here's a good example we just released and you actually commented on it uh we ride with Navo County quite a bit right and uh we rode with Brian Swanty one of my favorite people in the world just such a great guy well we We got we filmed this whole episode. We put out the full episode and naturally we take little clips that we really enjoyed from the episode and think that it'll do well. Well, we put out these shorts or reals, whatever you want to call them, and uh we we took a reel from that that episode and it was of a gentleman, Brian pulled over, a gentleman who was walking uh on the Navajo reservation and uh saw uh vodka in his pocket, saw a little cap, and uh Brian's worked on the reservation for, you know, in fact, he lived on the reservation up there at White Mountain Apache, he immediately recognized what it was. Um, but you have all these people saying, "Oh, you know, without watching the full episode, they just take that one little clip and say, oh, this guy's rights were violated. Oh, you know, they come out of the woodwork with everything possible." But we always include, hey, watch the full episode to understand because Brian explains uh before and after that stop why that was important, why he did what he did. People don't go back and watch. He's got over 20 years of experience. He knows it when he sees it. Yes. Yep. So, it's weird, man. I I I know that these people are that's the little bit of information they're getting and they're running with, you know, their YouTube uh uh oh uh what am I trying to say? Their uh their YouTube uh amount of knowledge knowledge university. Thank you. Um they're all of a sudden lawyers and they know you know what the uh the correct way of handling that situation is. It's just [ __ ] With no no knowledge of the law. That's right. No, you you have a law degree. That's right. You're not bar certified. What you are is you have an opinion. That's it. And it's great. Sure. Opinions are they stink. They do. They stink. There's a saying about that and I'm, you know, you know what I mean. I know what saying you're talking. Yeah. So, but I mean I and I've I've had that too. I mean I've had um you know I had one I made a stop on a guy because I ran him. I because there's no expectation of privacy for information on your license plate which people even just that simple fact people like you can't do that like we own it the state owns that license plate and if you want to hey you could ride a bicycle and you you cannot have to worry about having a license plate but if you're going to drive that information belongs to the state that's it I don't know what to tell you but so I run it I see the plate I run. The owner comes up with a picture because you've taken a picture to get a driver's license registering a vehicle. I look at that picture. I look at that guy. I'm like, that guy is suspended. I make a stop on that guy. 100% totally legal. Absolutely 100%. People lost their minds that I made that stop. Wow. And then I had the county attorney road with me and I was like, "Hey, so I made this stop on this." And he's like, "I know which one you're talking about." I was like, "Did I do anything wrong there?" And he's like, "Absolutely not." And I'm like, "Okay." So, the lawyer who is barcertified, who runs the highest law enforcement, you know, the prosecutorial agency in the county, that guy with all of the knowledge and experience and education and training, that guy says, "I didn't do anything wrong." But you keyboard warrior troll living under a bridge eatating goats. You think I did something wrong. I'm gonna go ahead with the guy with the degree who knows the law. I'm going to go with his opinion that I didn't do anything wrong. Um and it's so funny cuz like people watch those videos and they're like Frank violated that guy's rights. Like so listen up Skippy. Do you So we own all of that, right? because it's the the cameraman who videos it is an employee of the sheriff's office. We own everything. Do you think that the sheriff's office would video me doing something improper, make a video, that video gets approved by the number by not that they need my approval, but they send it to me. gets approved by the PIO, the number three, the number two, and the number one. So, with me, five different people watch every video before it's put out. Yep. And if there's any question, it goes to the county attorney. So, the county attorney is another level of review of that video before it ever goes out. So now six people watch that video with varying levels of expertise, knowledge, training, experience, certifications, qualifications. They all watch that video and then we put it out on the internet once everything is good. And then some, you know, some dude living in his mom's basement in, you know, Nebraska is like, "You violated their rights." Yeah. Like, come on, man. Like, get out of here. We It's They don't People just don't understand. Like, if I if I did something wrong on video, I guarantee I would be brought in. They show me the video. County attorney, you would probably be involved like, "Hey, man, you can't do this. You violated this person's rights." Whether it's a not I did it knowingly or I did it totally unknowingly. Um, you know, just a mistake of the heart, not a mistake of the mind. I'm sure that there would be some corrective action. Absolutely. In all probability, we probably wouldn't put it out online. That's right. For millions and millions of people, in fact, I'm going to say Panal County, you guys have surpassed Was it NYPD's, you guys have the biggest except for the FBI. Except for the FBI. And they're the FBI. Like, yeah, they could make their own like, oh yeah, we want um 3.5 million. Hey, we're number one. Uh who knows? And you know, I'm sure Cash Patel is going to get involved in that, too. I'm sure he's he's going to settle some of that stuff down. But um yeah, so we're we are number two under the FBI for uh followers of law enforcement agencies in the United States. Incredible. That's Sam. That's Sam, man. Sam did that. Sam, that's you. And Sheriff Lamb and Yeah, me. I mean, me down here, but Sheriff Lamb, you know, was kind of the the big part of that. But yeah, that's they they created that. And um but I mean people just like I can't I can't believe the level of ignorance of people like you violated that guy's rights like like and like the big one where I told that guy that I needed to uh yeah I need to see his driver's license and he was like I want to know why I'm stopped. I'm like give me your driver's license. Um Arizona's the guy who was filming you with his phone. Yeah. Yeah. So and that's probably the most popular video that there is. The trolls love that video. But again, that video went through my entire chain. So, it started at my boss, the sergeant, then went to the lieutenant, then went to the captain, then went to the number three, number two, number one. Everyone watched that video. Not one single person had any issue with that except that I was too nice to that guy. Wow. The most from from my entire chain of command, the most common response that I got was, "You gave that guy too many turn tries. You should have just pulled him out of the vehicle." Wow. So, and I'm okay with that. Like, I'm way okay with, "Hey, you were too nice." than him, you're a little too heavy-handed with that. So, I'd rather air on on my side, of course. Um, but not one single person in my entire agency that watched that had any issue with it. And the internet lost its mind. God and the county like I asked the county attorney about that one also and he was like absolutely not. You were absolutely right on that. So God, it's got to be so nice to have that type of leadership who who has your back, you know. Absolutely. Because I I've heard from so many especially with with the city police. Oh yeah. You know, their leadership just doesn't give a [ __ ] about them. They're just, you know, it is very rare that you find one of those an agency where well, and that's why that's why deputies are deputies is because like my boss, the sheriff is elected by the people. That's who his boss is. His boss is the people. That's right. When you are a chief of police, your boss is a city council. So, you're not you don't get your own opinion. You get the opinion of what you're told is your opinion. Yeah, if you want to keep your job. Well, the sheriff is allowed to have his own opinion because his boss is the people. And then every four years, those people get a say in if they want to continue to have someone speak for them in, you know, with with the ideas and philosophies and conduct that that sheriff has. And that's why sheriffs are awesome. I mean, that's why all of the most outspoken look at look around the country like who's a chief of police that anyone knows that's outspoken and stands up for their guys. Literally can't think of I'll I'll wait I'll wait here until we both die. Yeah. Yep. Um it's not going to happen. It's just But you look at I mean you look at Florida. Look at Sheriff Grady Jud. Oh my god. That guy's been a rock star for decades and he comes out and tells it how it is. Most recently, there was a video um of a guy I happened to meet on my uh when I was there for my sbatical um Sheriff Billy Woods. He's sheriff Billy Woods. Yep. So, he is the uh sheriff of Marian County, which is where Ocala is. Um kind of on the on the west coast of Florida. Um just like north of Tampa, where Ocala is. Um Cal's big grow a lot of horse property there. Um very fast growing area within Florida. that guy is. His family's been there for generations within um the Marian County area. He's the sheriff. Great guy. Big Fiser Frank fan, I found out. So awesome. Um I've got pictures with him. I've got I've got patches. His agency was unbelievably welcoming. I mean, just great men and women that worked there. Um I attended a big concert that was there, a country concert there. Um felt, you know, super safe. Deputies all over the place. I mean, just a great agency. met him and his wife. Awesome. Well, last week I'm I'm, you know, on Instagram and that video of him chewing that reporter's ass comes up and I'm like, I know that guy. And that's just how he speaks. He is he but a chief of police do that. So, you know, you've got Billy Woods, you've got Grady Jud. Um, you've got down in Lee County is Sheriff Marcino. That's right. Um, and he's he's a big anti-drug guy. He's a New Yorker, by the way. He's a Long Island guy. Oh, is he? I didn't know that. Yeah, he was a Long Island guy. So, I went down, spent some time with Lee County. Um, spoke with their academy, met a great captain down there who showed me around. Um, just great. Like just a great great agency, ton of resources, great real-time information center. Uh, it was like what you see on TV. Like I walked in there and I was like, whoa. And they're watching they're monitoring deputies on calls and they've got birds in the air and boats on the water and gosh, I mean, just rockstar agency. But you've got all of these agencies all over Florida that are just awesome that are out there just telling it how it is because they're sheriffs and they answer to the people. That's right. And Sheriff I mean Sheriff Joe, look at Sheriff Joe here in Maropa County, you know, in the in the great example in the late 90s and 2000s. I mean, that guy was the first that I can remember at least and maybe Sheriff Jud did early that, you know, that early on, but Sheriff Joe really used the media and he was out there really putting out like, "Hey, this is what we're doing. We're going to make a tent city and we're going to do this and we're we're going to make an animal crimes unit. we're but in that he was telling the people that he was responsible for and that are responsible to him, hey, this is what I'm doing. Like, I'm your sheriff. You elected me and this is what I'm doing. If you don't like me, if you don't like the way that that you think I'm going, vote for someone else. That's right. And for I don't even know how many terms he had here. Yeah, I can't remember. It was a lot. It was a lot of terms, but he did that. He did the will of the people. That's right. And Sheriff Lamb did that down there. Sheriff Lamb want, you know, the the citizens of Panal County wanted Sheriff Lamb to keep them safe. He wanted them to have an anti-muggling unit. They wanted them to have a ghost unit that went out and just hunted bad guys. And those guys are next level awesome. Yep. And you know, and Sheriff Lamb could get out and go, "Hey, look, you guys are doing Hey, federal government, you're screwing this up. We have non-stop stream of illegal immigrants coming through our county, and my citizens don't want it." And guess what? People elected Sheriff Lamb. You couldn't run against Sheriff Lamb. You couldn't have created in a lab a candidate to run against Sheriff Lamb that would beat him. You can't. So true. And for sheriff, he was he was so good and so prolific as a sheriff and what he did for the culture and the morale within the sheriff's office was unparalleled. It's so true. So, and I'm I am lucky selfishly I got to experience that like I got to see him in action. like I'm I consider that I you like I said I had my undergrad to be a game warden but my master's degree is in leadership and um so to get to see like a master's level thesis in action of real leadership was awesome. Yeah. I mean, and to be able to take that and look at other leaders and go, man, you don't know what leadership is. You know, you don't you're not putting your guys first. You know, you are you're not doing, you know, you're not doing things that help morale. you're doing things that are actually just the opposite of that 100% because they're self-s serving or because someone has a you know a wants to do something that's that's more self-erving than to serve the guys that are on the road. That's right. And uh it's it's unbelievable to see the the dichotomy of leaders even in the same position and how different they can be. That's so true. You and I are both super lucky to have known and still know and and uh be real good friends with Mark, Sheriff Mark Lamb, one of the most humble, outgoing people you can ever meet. Um, and truly has your back. I mean, he's he's the one that allowed me to start ARN. In fact, he's the one who gave me the idea. I was at his house. I don't know if I told you a story, but I was at his house one day, you know, I was filming some of his uh political uh stuff, and he's like, "Kent, what are you uh what are you up to these days?" is I'm like, "Well, oh, I I had previously filmed a couple documentaries with them on the border and stuff." So, uh, after that those projects finished, I was essentially back to doing corporate videos, which pay the bills, right? But they're not fun. They're not fun at all. He's like, "Well, what do you want to be doing?" I was like, "Well, dude, you're to blame for this. I actually love riding with law enforcement. It's the best thing you can do with clothes on." and he's like, "Well, why don't you start your own little YouTube channel and go out with my deputies and you upload your own content, you know, I'll I'll give you contacts. Um, you just do your own thing." I was like, "Really? No way. I didn't know that. I know that's how it started." That's how it all started. And, uh, yeah, it's like a like a golden platter was handed to me. Handed to me. And, uh, I ran with it. And, dude, it's been the the best thing in the world. The shirt I'm wearing, a Fridays with Frank merch was Sheriff Lamb's idea. Yep. He's like, "Man, you should be you should be doing this on the side. You know, nothing has to do with the sheriff's office. You should be having shirts and patches and mugs and coins." And I was like, "This is coming from your boss. That is so freaking cool." But he is an entrepreneur at heart. That's right. That's right. He is above all else, he is an entrepreneur. That's right. And he saw that because he just looks he looks at the world through a different lens. Yep. And he was like, "Man, you should do that." And I was like, "Well, if you're giving me the okay, I guess I will." And um and it's and so I started it. And it has no affiliation with the sheriff's office. I don't do any, you know, I do it I pack packages at my house. Um you know, it has nothing to do with the sheriff's office. I have no correlation, nothing. It's just it's totally separate. It's a side business, right? And it's it's capitalism and that's that's exactly what it is. So now I have a whole line of stuff and I have a YouTube channel because you know it's because he was like, "Hey man, you should do this." That's right. On on the side, you know, and you should this is this is something that And what he said, he goes, "Look, right now you're the most popular law enforcement officer in the United States. It's not going to be like that forever." Yeah. but right now while you are you should make a name for yourself um outside of having a uniform on. And I was like sir if you're if you're telling me I can all I need our policy said with the approval of the sheriff. So as long as I have the approval of the sheriff like I'm going to go out there and I'm going to I'm going to do it. Like working hard doesn't scare me. That's that's the one thing, man. I can, you know, I I try to be a little bit more riskadverse ever since I I lost that business and my entire life savings. So, I uh cuz I'm I'm really like I'm I'll go I think all of my decisions are like, "Fuck it. Let's do it." Yep. Yep. Those are going to be the words that before I die that that's what's going to come out of my mouth. Like, [ __ ] it, let's do it. Like, oh, I'm dead. Um, it's just like because I I find myself saying that so much and I'm like, so I was like, "Hey, you want to start a business? [ __ ] it. Let's do it." And then it's and then it then it happens. So, oh, [ __ ] love it, dude. I'm getting the uh the the sign that we need to uh All right, Frank, I've got some clips I want to show you that you and I both filmed, but I really want to get into your head what you're thinking about at this moment in time. So, uh, all right, Will, if you would, let's roll the first clip, dude. You know what's funny? What's up? As I was speeding, I'm like, you know what? I'm in Frank Ter. Yo, man, you're in Panal County. You're in Frank territory. Yeah, man. You better watch out in Gilbert, too. Those guys are no joke. I heard. Yeah. Yeah, man. Well, let me tell you, we're no joke down here either. What you need to do is just obey the law everywhere. Then you'll never have to worry about it. Can I get a picture? Yeah. I love pictures, man. Absolutely. Heck yeah. Yeah, man. Jump out. Dude, I appreciate you being cool, man. I love cool people. Will this be in the videos? It might be. Heck yeah. Yeah, dude. Check it out, man. One, two, three, dude. Thank you so much for being cool, man. I love it. It was kind of honoring. I'm not going lie, man. I like it. That's awesome. Let us not meet again like this, man. But we can we can meet some other time, man. You seem like you seem like a cool dude. Thanks, man. Dude, have a great day, man. All right. So, that's one of those clips. I think that was my first day Finn went with you, and I already knew that you were uh extremely popular at this point, but I couldn't believe that even the people you're pulling over wanted to have a picture taken with you. It blew my mind. It's the craziest thing in the world. I'm telling you, I have I have a life that no other traffic cop has. I mean, we all do the same job. I mean, there's I mean, every agency in this valley has awesome guys that are assigned to traffic units that are out there taking wrecks, taking impaired drivers off the roadway, slinging tickets. I mean, really just just doing putting the work in and then I take pictures with those people. It's the It's the craziest thing. Wild, man. Yeah. I like that dude is super cool. He was like just a a good like we judge people pretty quick. like it's it's our job to, you know, we're we're looking at people and and deciding if they're going to be a threat, if they're going to be aggressive, if you know, if you could joke with them, if you have to be super serious. Um, you know, and I think law enforcement as a as a defense mechanism, we do that a lot. Um, and it's kind of just part of the job. So, I see that guy and immediately he's just he's got a great personality. He's super happy, smiling at me. He's admitting to to the speed. Yep. So, you know, I mean, it's so we get to have these great conversations because he's he's already open to it. Yeah. And um but I mean, you know, I'm still doing my job. I mean, just cuz people recognize me doesn't mean they don't get a ticket. I mean, it's you know, and a lot of times it's like, look, well, if you recognize me, you know who I am. You know that I'm we're out here. The entire Pan County Sheriff's Office traffic unit is on the roadway trying to keep people safe, slowing down speeds so that we avoid collisions. Um, speed is one of the hugest factors in the severity of a crash. Um, just because of energy and physics and stuff. The faster you go, the more energy you're bringing into a collision sequence. So, if we could slow people down, even if they do crash into each other, it's just not as bad. The sequence isn't isn't as violent. Um, you know, and there's less possibility of there being a serious injury or fatality. So, it's our job to slow people down to keep them safe. And when the guy's like, "Yeah, man. I know I was speeding. You know, I can All right. So, you know, I'm out here." Yep. You know, I'm out here enforcing speeding laws. Yep. All right, man. Well, you know how this is going to go. People are like, "Yep. All right, man. You know, it doesn't mean we can't, you know, we can't leave as friends. You know, you're just going to leave with a court date. It's cool." Yeah. And that's a perfect example of that. Yep. And it's, you know, and just because I give someone a ticket doesn't mean I treat them poorly. doesn't mean that we can't have still have a great conversation, a great positive contact and be a great steward of this career, you know, this occupation, this calling that that I'm a part of, just like thousands of cops all across the country and all across the world, um, that do this job. And I get to, again, one of the most humbling parts is I'm like this stewart for this career. And like there's people that are watching this video that are like, man, I'm going to try to be cool with the next cop that I contact and see if I Absolutely. you know, and it's because they see like, look, this is like this is real life. This is like we get to have these great conversations and contacts. And that guy, I guarantee like I didn't remember that stop until you till you put it up there, but I guarantee that guy remembers it. Yeah. You know, I mean, I have I have contacts. I mean, I pull over, I don't know, probably 40 50 people a week. So, you're doing three or 400 people a month. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm in the thousands per year of contacts, whether a citation or or a warning, whatever it is. But, I don't remember one from the other. And you know, I have no as a as a practicing stoic, like I have no emotional attachment to anything. Sure. Like no matter what someone says to me or what they like, I have no I take no personal offense to anything. It's just like it's this is this is just what it is and I just get to choose, you know, how I react to it. And um but you know, I I I won't remember one person to another. And I mean, I meet people all the time like, "Oh man, you pulled me over." I'm like, "Yep, don't remember." Absolutely po man. You pulled my brother over. You know he's that guy in that red car. Like oh yeah the red car. The one with the four wheels. Like man I pulled four or 500 people over a month man. So it's uh you know it's it's a it's a crazy thing but I you know but these people that are getting contacted by me are going out and telling other people about their contact and about you know their their interaction with me. And that bleeds over to me as a representative of law enforcement. So now someone in Florida is watching my videos and seeing people be cool with me and me cool with them. Now they're cool with the next cop. So I could be hot helping a state trooper in Alabama and not know it. That's right. You know, there could be a, you know, a cop up in northern Idaho on the Canada border that's someone stuck in the snow all winter is watching my videos and then goes out and has a great positive contact with the cops. So true. And I mean, like how great that is. Like it's just me. Like it's I'm just a cop. That's it. I'm just a deputy that's out here slinging tickets and taking selfies. And yeah, when I there there absolutely exists the possibility that I could positively change interactions with citizens and law enforcement officers across the country because Sam had the idea to make videos about how great traffic enforcement is. Absolutely incredible. Humbling doesn't even begin to to describe that. Like when you start extrapolating that out outside of Panal County or outside of Arizona or outside of the Southwest, I mean it's it is it's unbelievable. Man, it is absolutely amazing to see. But you're right. But I think even for uh the youth who want to get into law enforcement, they're they're seeing your videos and they're saying, "I want to do that. I want to be like him." And that's powerful. Powerful voice. you know, we're we're getting we're getting children who look up to you and and want to be um you know, they they want to change the the way people view law enforcement, right? Absolutely. Or excuse me, you're changing the the way that people view law enforcement. It's I hope so. It's huge. You absolutely are. I mean, and it's there's good and bad. I mean, I don't I don't have a lot of private time, you know, like I I'm in fries and, you know, I can't be can't be acting a fool. can't go out to the bar and, you know, tie one on and be acting crazy because I'm still now I'm even more, you know, uh, under the spotlight. Yeah. So, but like I'm not a hard drinking guy and like I eat good food and I kind of keep to myself. So, that impact on my private life isn't really that much of an impact. Yeah. You know, because I'm not I'm not out doing stuff. I'm not really a go out kind of guy anyway. Um, it's like, uh, I make a pretty great steak at home. So, Costco takes care of me. I go buy some great meat, slap it on the smoker. Man, I'm I'm doing it at home. You're happy? Yeah. Uh, let's go ahead and uh play the next one. Let's do it. To the side. I looked I said, "Babe, what car does Frank drive?" She said, "I think he has a black light." As soon as she said that, your lights go off. Yeah. By the time I'm behind you, partner, it's too late. Sorry, man. Your license is good. You've obviously never been contacted by us before. That's all right. I don't care about I don't care about what you did. Care about what you're doing, you know, and you're being super cool and you know, your girl's got good insurance. That's which is really one of the most important things, man. She'll she'll get that registration taken care of. I'm sure me. I'm going to make sure she does. All right, dude. Dude, it's a pleasure, man. Thanks for being cool. Put your seat belt back on. Be cool, man. Another perfect example, you have an ex-con who is also a big fan. Yeah. And also wants a selfie. Like where else do you see that, dude? You don't. It doesn't exist. But with you. Y it's absolutely wild. Um but that guy was, you know, he's like, I'm an excon. I don't who cares. Look, man, we've I I would be a absolute liar if I stood here and said, "Man, there there weren't there aren't things in my life that I wish I could change, you know, and that guy, I'm sure, probably did some stuff that he wished he could change." But are you going to be marked for the entire rest of your life because you made a bad decision? I mean, you know, you kill someone. I mean, it's probably a little different, but um you know, you know, it's for something pretty much under that with a couple little, you know, instances that might be exceptions, you know, like, yeah, man, you did you did some fraud and then you realized it was wrong. You were on drugs and you stole some stuff and then you got clean, you realize, I don't want to steal stuff anymore. Do we mark that person for the rest of their life? Like, I don't think that's fair. Sure. I mean, cuz if as as men, we have a different we have a lot of different roles, right? you have a role as, you know, as a as a son, as a husband, you know, there's brothers, uncles, fathers, you know, whatever whatever your role is. You have all these different roles that that you play. And if you're not getting better at those, being a better brother, son, husband, father, whatever, or friend or mentor, or in my case, uncle or boyfriend. Um, you know, you're you're not growing as a man. That's right. And I mean, I could look back at a dozen different instances in my life like, man, I could do that over again. Wish I had been better. But given the same opportunity under the same circumstances, if you make a different choice, you're growing. That's right. And so that guy obviously did some bad stuff that led him to go to prison. But I contact him. Everything's fine. He's sober. Nothing in the car. License is good. So like, why would I judge him on stuff that he did before he realized, "Hey man, I can make some changes. I can be a better person." Sure. So why would I hold that against him? Like it's good for him for for growing. Absolutely. You know, it's bad when you're like, "Yeah, man. I'm an excon. Yeah, man. I got six warrants. I got this bag of fentanel. I got this gun I'm not supposed to have." Like, you're not growing, man. Like, you're you're not you don't have a learning curve. You have a learning plateau. That's, you know, so but for those people that are doing better, and we're all trying to do better. I mean, at least we should be to grow as to take care of the people that we love in whatever that is. Whether it's just, you know, people that are that are, you know, my best friend or my nieces and nephews or my baby sister or, you know, my stepdad or my dad or, you know, whoever I'm responsible for in my life, my girlfriend, my, you know, my the guys in my squad. Um, you know, the people that I'm that I take care of that I love. Um, I mean, I should be working every day to be better at that, no matter how that growth happens or what the catalyst of that growth is. Um, so that guy's he's doing everything right. Like, he should be he should walk away from that with a warning. Like, yeah, man. Like, have a great contact. He might not have ever had a great contact with law enforcement. So true. That guy had a great warning. We had a great conversation. He shows that, you know, he's shown that that law enforcement can contact him. He can be cool with law enforcement. law enforcement could be cool with him and now you're not now you're not you don't have this cloud of I'm an ex-con hanging over your head now you're just a dude cool man you're a dude like if you contact me and you're a jerk then you're a jerk has nothing to do with the fact that you were an ex-con you did this you did that just today you're a jerk that's right that's it maybe you'll learn from that and tomorrow maybe you won't be a jerk so it's I really try to I try to judge those people and I do it on duty and off duty I try to just judge people on the contact that I that I have, you know, like someone could have come up to me like, "Man, Kent's an asshole." Like, "All right, I'm going take that. I'm not going to do anything with it. I'm going to meet Kent and if Kent's an [ __ ] I'm be like, "Hey, man, you were right. I met Kent. Kent's an [ __ ] [ __ ] that guy. You're absolutely right." But on the other side of things, I can meet Kent. Kent's super cool. And I'm like, maybe one of you was an [ __ ] and maybe it wasn't Kent, you know? Exactly. So, I um I really I try to judge people based on my contact with them. And I mean, I've had on camera I've had a ton of contacts with people that have been in jail or been to prison or whatever and had great contacts with them. And like, hey, man, it's cool. You you did some [ __ ] when you were 18. Y you got him up and things went sideways. Absolutely. Well, man, now you're 40. You're a grown ass man. You got a family. Yeah. You got a wife that keeps you in line. You don't go out anymore. You don't drink anymore. You don't smoke anymore, you know? You're you're sitting at home smoking a brisket and watching freaking football. Like, you're a changed person. Yeah. Cool. Like, let's talk about that, man. That's right. So, I I I like that. I love that, man. Absolutely love that. Well, Frank, we're running out of time. I've already gone over the amount of time Will's looking at me. Sorry. Um, we talk a lot. We do have a couple questions from our fans on Patreon and uh just want to ask you a couple of these real quick. Um a good uh great guy. His name is David. And David, I apologize. I'm going to butcher your name here, but uh it's a very Irish name. In fact, he's from Ireland. Oh, David Origin. I hope I'm You butchered that. I guarantee you butchered that. Uh, he wants to ask, "Frank, how do you keep fit and ready for the job? What's your routine with being physically and mentally ready? And is there a weekly or daily routine you stick to?" Oh, good question. Um, I don't work out anywhere near as much as I should. Um, I really I try to get in the gym a lot. Um, as as much as I can. I hike a lot. Um, I just I like being outside and, you know, I like natural sunlight and so I try to get on the trail as much as I can. Um, my doctor says I need to eat less sugar. So, I have a terrible sweet tooth. Um, so I'm really I'm trying to limit my sugars and carbs. I eat a lot of vegetables and a lot of natural meat. Um, that's really like I like like we talked about like I like killing stuff and eating it. Um, for a whole bunch of different reasons. Um, so and I really I really should get into jiu-jitsu. Oh, damn. I think you and I both I I just I I see that fighting technique um as being really useful for cops. And I think the ability to go to the ground and be comfortable um you know, grappling and being able to roll on the ground with suspects and control them aggressively um with a very decisive level of violence. um that's tempered is I think that's really great for cops and I I wish I had gotten into that discipline much earlier on in my career right there with you. But it's I but I think that also helps with cardiovascular health. Um you know I run as much as I can um just because I've I've been to some places where I've I've had to take a little run before getting involved in something. You realize how winded you get when you're wearing your gear. Um, so I think just I think just being fit, man. Just getting doing whatever it is you do, you know, whether it's hiking or swimming or you know, rock cl I rock climbed for a while. Um, that's a great workout, man. Holy [ __ ] Just talk about grip strength where then when you put your hands on someone and you you realize how much strength you have because I mean that's whatever it is. I mean, you don't have to go to the gym and lift weights, but just doing things outside that are active that I and I think that helps your mental health, too. I think it's just mental health is a big thing in law enforcement right now. Um, you know, Craig Tiger Act is a big thing where where cops can go and and get help and you know, like, hey man, I'm really I can't seem to get out of my own way and I'm really in a bad place. Like you can find someone to totally free. Um, you can go and and find someone to talk to to help get you on a better path where then your mind and your body are working together instead of working against each other. And I think that's a that's a big part of dealing with stress um no matter how you end up doing it. But it's it sure isn't in the bottom of a bottle. I'll tell you that. Yeah, that is so true. Uh Frank, one last question. And this is actually the most annoying thing I see on social media. And of course, you want if you want to talk about it, you don't have to, but uh you've told me this story before and uh it all checked out. It made sense. um easy easy uh thing to do. The number one thing I see often and it's always from the trolls is I love the trolls. God, it's it's a lovehate thing for Yeah. It's good because they then they they bring interaction. They do. They do. Yeah. Um but they're always asking or or not asking, it's more of Frank's on the Brady list. Yeah. Uh screw this guy. All this bull crap, right? I want to put this to bed once and for all. So, can you explain all of that crap? Absolutely. In fact, I don't even know what the Brady list is. Maybe it's a list of naughty cops. I have no idea. So, it it used to be something that it's not anymore from from my I have a very rudimentary understanding of it. Um and a legal expert. Uh someone actually did a breakdown on line of Brady list stuff. So, I'm not I am not an expert by any means about it. So, this is my rudimentary understanding of it. Um, back in the day, so in the I don't know ' 80s and 90s, it used to be a list of cops that perjured themselves. So, you I don't know if you got up on the stand and you were like, uh, you know, this guy pointed a gun at me. And they're like, hey, look, we have video of it. He never pointed a gun at you. You lied. Like, you you lied on the stand. You took an oath. You said, "Hey, I swear I'm going to tell the truth." And then you didn't. You purged yourself. Now we're going to put you on this list. And now any other time that you ever testify, we have to let everyone know, "Hey, you lied under oath." Like, cool. Totally understand that. That was my understanding of it. Like when I went through the academy in 01. Okay. So, moving forward, because lawyers, I have a lovehate relationship with lawyers. They're like trolls. Don't we all? Right. So, so there's they they are great, but they also have over complicated the world and everything about it. Um, and I'm sure that's someone thinks that they're doing good, but it's not always good. Just like it's why DUI paperwork used to be one page and now it's like eight because lawyers got involved. That's right. And now it's, you know, they're like, "Well, you have to tell the you have to do this, you have to do, you have to do this." And now it's like our page our reports are pages and pages and pages and pages instead of something very simple because lawyers have taken simplistic things and bastardize them and now they're terrible. That's right. Um well, same thing happened with the Brady list. So Brady List started out as just that and has now morphed into almost anything that um could be I don't know what the right word is. Um I don't know. I don't know. I guess it's it untruthful, I guess, is probably the best word. So, I was a sergeant for the Miracle County Sheriff's Office. Um, in my in my pre what I call my previous life, my life my life before my current agency. Um, so I they are under consent decree. So, as we all know, the government can screw up a wet dream. Sure. There isn't anything that I'm aware of in the history of forever that the government has put their hands on and is better now than it was before they put their hands on it. And so true. I mean, if you have an example, guys, if you have an example of anything, I would love to know it. Um because I use this example a lot and everyone I've ever said this to was like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, they they do kind of screw up everything." They screw up everything 100%. Yeah. So, um well, the government isn't good at local law enforcement. Um, you know, I'm a I'm a I'm a fan so far of Cash Patel in the in the FBI. Law enforcement, what the FBI deals with and what local law enforcement deals with are not the same thing. The feds, all the federal agencies really deal primarily with just felonies. That's kind of it. So, they don't the feds don't do traffic stops, right? The feds call local law enforcement to do traffic stops because they don't do them. They're not good at them. and active law enforcement agencies realize like, hey, let's just leave traffic stops to guys that do traffic stops and we'll just take over the investigation afterwards. We'll play to our strong side. Perfect. I love that. So, we do a lot of stops for federal agencies because we do them better. We just we do them more often. So, with that being said, consent decree pretty much means the federal government runs your law enforcement agency. to again this is my very rudimentary understanding of this. I am certainly not a constitutional scholar um nor do I claim to have a a expert level but this is my rudimentary as a as a street cop as a guy whose boots get dirty on the ground. Um so sheriff's office goes under consent decree the federal government and a um a team of monitors now runs the Maropa County Sheriff's Office. Um, it's unbelievably it's like a Ponzi scheme. It's it is self-perpetuating. So, the monitor team for the sheriff's office, um, which is part of the consent decree. So the monitor team sets forth all of these requirements that the sheriff's office has to come in compliance with at once they are in total compliance with all of these things then the monitor team then they can be out of from underneath this consent decree which then means the monitor team doesn't have a job anymore. So, the monitor team is in charge of deciding how much of the sheriff's office is in compliance with these rules. Once they're in total compliance, then the monitor team doesn't have a job anymore. [Music] So, it would appear that the longer that you were under consent decree, the longer this monitor team has a job. That's right. So, if you were in charge of that, how long would you keep that? you would keep it forever so you could continue getting paid your six-figure salary. That's right. So that's where and again my rudimentary understanding of this. So that's where the sheriff's office so there are all of these totally innocuous rules that are just rules to have rules. One of the rules of the sheriff's that they put on the sheriff's office that all your reports had to be done the next that day or or the next day. I think it might have been that finished by the end of your shift. So, which is almost impossible if you are active and and working. Correct. Y um so I'm DUI guy. I'm a DUI guy. I was the DUI sergeant at the time for the sheriff's office. I was assigned to the lake patrol division. Um and I was participating in DUI task force because I I'm kind of a lead from the front kind of guy. So even though I had guys working doing the task force, I also participated in the task force. Um, so I hook a guy who's actually up here in in North Phoenix. Um, hook a guy DUI. Uh, he's from out of state, so I had to verify that his driver's license was suspended as a result of a prior DUI conviction. Um, if I'm not mistaken, it was out of Colorado. So, I complete my report. It was like a sun, it was like a Saturday night, Sunday morning DUI task force. So, I complete my report. Um, do followup the next day. And in that follow-up, I technically wasn't my whole report wasn't done on the same day. It was done on two different days. So I changed the date so that it was that to come in compliance with that um with that policy which meant nothing to anyone. Sure. So the agency looked at that as a lie. Oh wow. That's it. So they bring me into IIA and they're like, "Hey, did you change this?" I was like, "Yep." Like I mean it's you know there's no there's absolutely no reason to Yeah man I thought the policy was dumb maybe I shouldn't have falls into that like we said before hey man given the same set of circumstances would you do something different absolutely um so I didn't they're like well you lied. I'm like I didn't lie. You just brought me in here and asked me if I did that and I said yes I did. Ergo it's not a lie. They're like well you you wrote that down as a lie. And I was like, "But you clarified it in here and now I didn't lie." Like, "Well, that's true, but you did that first." I did. Absolutely. And then I told you that I did it. So, it's not a lie. So, that was it. They were like, "Yep." Oh my god. So, this whole giant Brady list thing that all these trolls, Frank did, Frank can't testify. It's It's because I changed it from like a like a 10 to a nine. Oh my god. That's it. So, and I was like I I hate this agency. Yeah. I just like I don't Everything that had come it had it had changed leadership. So, they had then a Democratic sheriff um that I wasn't a big fan of to begin with and um I just the agency I was like I don't I don't ever want to put this uniform on again. I don't I don't I don't want anything to do with this. So, I was like I want to go work for a different agency. So, I was like I'm out of here. um went down to panel. So, Sheriff Lamb obviously knows about all of this. So, um I go in my background, you know, because even when you change agencies, you still have to do a full background check. So, like, hey, do you have any open IAS? I'm like, no, but let me tell you a story. So, I tell my background investigator this background doesn't investigator doesn't know me from Adam. I'm just a guy. So, he goes to the sheriff panel panel county sheriff's office goes to Maricopa County. Um, IA goes to IIA. Hey, tell me about this guy. He ends up meeting my investigator, the guy that did the internal and talks to him. Guy was a great guy. It was had nothing to do with him. Um, guy that did was awesome. So, he goes, looks through all the paperwork, goes back to panel, reports up the chain like, hey, this is total [ __ ] This is [ __ ] Like, this is absolutely nothing. Wow. So, I go in for my command interview. I meet with the number one and number two of Panal County. They're like, "Hey, look, we're not worried about this. Our guy went in, talked to him. We know it's BS. We know it's part of the the political thing. You are getting hired." I was like, "Cool." Um, Arizona Post, so the governing body over all post stands for police officer standards and training. That's right. So, a Post is the agency within or the entity within the state of Arizona that gives law enforcement officers the ability to be law enforcement officers. It gives us our our certification as a law enforcement officer. So, a Post looks at this and they're like, "We have no idea why any of this happened. This is a internal policy. This has nothing. We're not doing anything. Like, you're enjoy your career with Panel." So everyone else except the Maropa County Sheriff's Office, you know, in their consent decree monitor team, except for them, everyone else that has looked at this is like, "Hey, man, this is nothing." Yeah. This is a ton of nothing. So like I testify all the time in court in panel. I testify in in justice court or we call JP court, superior court. I've come back to Maricopa County and tested in superior court here for felony trials. It has no effect on anything because that's I all I can do is tell them. Now, of course, the lawyers also get this. So, they know how BS it is. Now, it's a defense attorney's job or defense lawyer as I like to call them. Defense li to their defense lawyers. What it is their job to put smoke in the air, of course, and distract the jury. That's right. So, they can see, hey, this is nothing. Now, they bring it up because it's a thing and then it gets brought up, but like I'm like, "Yep, I changed the date on a report from a nine to a 10 or 10 to a nine." Like, that's it. Like, that's it. And every single jury has been like, "Yeah, we don't we don't care about that. We don't care about that." So, all these like all these trolls that are like, "Frank can't testify. Frank's a liar." like Frank isn't a liar. Frank actually went in because if I would have went into that interview with internal affairs with MCSO and said, "No, I never changed that. I couldn't be a cop right now." Sure. That would have been a problem. They would have absolutely they would have fired me. And when they fired me, they would have sent it to Post. Post would have looked at it and went, "Oh, yeah. Yeah. This is a this is a truthfulness issue, and you are going to be fired for that. You you can't be a cop ever again." So that's what would have happened if I actually lied. Now again, like we talked about, people have opinions online, but it doesn't make them correct. That's right. So all these people are like, "Frank's on the Brady list." Absolutely. And it hasn't affected my job one little bit. And simply you saying that is just such a statement, an outward exclamation ignorance. Like now I take you in a little box of ignorance. I put you over there. Now your opinion doesn't matter anymore because but I mean but the general public also doesn't have they really don't like I don't think that they have any access to that. Maybe it's online or something. I because I don't care about it. I don't like I don't look into it because it doesn't affect me. Exactly. I could I could absolutely not care less. But it's so funny because so many people think it's like this huge thing and I'm like they hone in hone in on it's wild. I'm like it's nothing. It's literally nothing. Um, Sheriff Lamb looked at it like the county, obviously the county attorney for Panal County looked at it because they wouldn't have hired me if it was an issue because they have to prosecute my cases. So, they wouldn't allow me to be hired if they couldn't prosecute my cases because I would be I'd be like a lame duck deputy, right? So, like I couldn't do anything criminal because they'd be like, "Oh, look right here." But so, no one cares except the trolls. So, I'm like, so true. Okay. Like that's why it doesn't it never bothers me because it's like like I know it and obviously the fact that Arizona Post looked at it, MCS or PCSO looked at it, PCAO looked at it, like all these huge bodies that really know and really get the 100% full story have all looked at it and everyone that gets the full story says it's not a big deal. But you internet troll behind your your keyboard, your keyboard warrior who has never lied about anything, right? just you you in your glass house who does never throws rocks. Um you know, you're you're there and yeah, you are definitely you have the ability to judge me. So, it's just like okay. So, yeah, it's absolutely it's a it's a nothing and it it hasn't it hasn't affected me at all. So, I'm like awesome. I'm just going to keep keep rocking and rolling, man. Hell yeah. So, for all you trolls who are watching this or listening to it, just shut the [ __ ] up, please. Yes, please. Yeah, do that. I'm over it. Oh, well, thank you for uh Dude, you know, you realize that we could talk for like four hours. We totally could. Like we could just sit here and like you'd have to replace the batteries in this. We totally could. Yeah. Oh, well, Frank, um this probably a good good time to wrap it up. Dude, thank you for this so much, man. Like, this is this is unbelievable. I'm gonna take this to my next range day. I'm gonna shoot the [ __ ] out of you. Oh, yeah. Um yeah, thank you, Anthem Ammo. Thank you for uh absolutely for gifting Frank with that. Um thank you for uh watching this. Um go and check out Frank's channel, Fridays with Frank. It's absolutely amazing. He's doing a lot of reaction videos right now. It's Frank Slope on YouTube. Yep, that's right. Yep. And then Frank.Sslope.official on what is it? Instagram, Facebook, Tik Tok, all the things. All the things. Yeah. It's Frank Slope on Frank Slope on Facebook and YouTube. So that's that's it. YouTube has all the all of the stuff. Yeah. So go check out his stuff. It's absolutely amazing content and uh yeah, dude. Want to thank you again for taking the time out to hang out with me and uh Yeah, I love it, man. I love it. And and I'm going to see you again on the road, sir. I guarantee you're going to ride again. I hope so, bro. I gota I got to hit up Sam. Do it. All right, bro. Thank you so much. Thank you for this, man. I appreciate it. Pleasure. Good man. All right, guys. Till next time. See you.