I don't have to help you help you in your investigation. You can't demand ID when you can't articulate a crime that I you think I've committed. >> Yeah, you've been free to go this whole time. >> She told me I've been detained. You can't bully people into giving an ID when you don't have you don't suspect a crime. >> Sir, nobody [clears throat] is trying to bully you into anything. >> She just told me she could take me to jail if I don't give her my ID. >> On January 5th [music] of 2024, Mr. Bulldog was riding his bike in Jacksonville, North Carolina, stopping at times to take video of various locations on foot just around the corner of the city's police department. Jacksonville Police Officer Ashley Grant pulled up claiming calls were made concerning Mr. [music] Bulldog's activities. >> All right, how can I help you? >> What's the reason you're taking pictures? Is there a reason that he's walking around recording? >> Is there a reason I'm doing a job? Yeah, to make money. >> Okay, I can People have just been calling just thinking it's kind of weird. >> It's journalism. I'm sorry. >> what you're doing? >> Yeah, it's protected under First Amendment, so >> I'm not saying you're not >> Sorry about that. >> All right, but hold on. Hold on. >> Am I being detained? >> Yeah, right now. >> For what? For which which crime? >> Well, I'm currently investigating why you're walking >> What crime? That's not a crime. Walking around isn't a crime. You have to articulate a crime before you can detain me. Supervisor. >> Supervisor >> Yep. You can't detain just anyone. You have to articulate a crime. >> I can detain you while I while I while I further >> Get your supervisor and let's let's find out. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Ready to go? >> Name and badge number. >> Officer Ashley Grant, 2 1 2 1. >> 386 >> You just got the supervisor. >> Badge number 861 >> Thank you. >> Do you have any ID on you? >> I do not. >> Can you just advise the supervisor of my location? Hello. You can come in. >> [snorts] >> Yeah. So, I'm assuming he's the one that complained? >> No. I don't even know who complained. It came out as anonymous. >> It's a constitutionally protected activity, so I'm being harassed right now, basically. >> Recording. >> Yeah. >> In public on this on a public sidewalk. >> Sir, I'm not saying you're not >> You are. You are. By your presence here bothering me while I'm working is telling me I'm not allowed to do this. >> Okay. I'm sorry you feel that way. >> Okay. >> But I'm investigating why we're getting calls about someone walking around >> Walking around isn't a crime though. >> I never said it was a crime. But I still >> No, you do not. >> Okay. >> Okay. So I'm being illegally detained right now is what you're telling me. >> to say that yet. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. >> What crime have I committed? >> So at the end of the day as long as >> It's not the end. It's the beginning. >> Okay, for a second. So law enforcement requests your identification, right? Your name, your date of birth, your ID card, driver's license number, you are obligated to give that to law enforcement. >> No, you're not. Not unless you can articulate a crime. >> So I can articulate that this >> Walking around is not Suspicious isn't a crime. >> Okay, but it is something we have to investigate. >> It's not a crime, so I don't have to comply with anything. I don't have to help you help you in your investigation. >> Well, I'm asking you to identify yourself. You are refusing. >> I haven't committed a crime. >> It doesn't matter. >> It does matter. No, I do not. >> Okay. >> You are incorrect. >> Okay. >> What you're about to learn I hope this is your supervisor. He's about to school you if if it's your actual supervisor. >> Okay. Yeah, he's at Gum Branch and 17, so he is on his way. >> To tell you that you're violating my rights. >> It's not what it is. >> It is what it is. I'm walking up and down the street doing a protected activity and you stop me and demand ID for no crime. >> So like I explained to you, we've gotten multiple calls >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> That gives us something to investigate. >> It does not. No. You can investigate all you want, but you can't demand ID when you can't articulate a crime that I you think I've committed. >> I never said you committed a crime. I >> So you then you have no right here. >> suspicious behavior or >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> You have to identify yourself. >> I do not. Suspicious is not a crime. >> Hello, sir. >> Name and badge number, please. >> My name's Corporal Kimble. My officer number is 674. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Do you live around here? >> I'm not answering any questions. >> Okay. Yeah, you've been free to go this whole time. >> She told me I've been detained. >> Oh, okay. >> Twice now. >> No. So, I'm detained? >> Well, you want a supervisor? >> Am I Am I detained? >> I'm trying to identify you. >> That's not happening. Am I detained? >> Well, at the end of the day, I'm trying to identify you. >> That's That's not my problem. I don't have to further your investigation for you. That's your job. So, if you want to find out who I am, you go run photo arrays, whatever you want to do. I Apparently, you have no idea how it works. You can't walk up to a a citizen not committing a crime and demand ID. That's That's not how this works. >> The officer asked you for your name and the information. >> What crime do you suspect me of? >> Well, like she explained to you, she's report She's investigating suspicious activity. >> Suspicious isn't a crime. I'm sorry. I know y'all wish it was, but it's not. >> Okay. Are you going to give her your name and information? >> No. I haven't committed a crime. >> plan on doing, sir? >> I'm doing my job, trying to, without being harassed. >> Okay. >> I'm just gathering content for a story, and y'all want to harass me over it. >> Okay. What's your job? You're a writer? >> Obviously, I'm a journalist. >> Well, how is that obvious? >> I'm gathering content for a story. >> Okay. >> Who else does that? Do mechanics do that? Excuse me? >> I said everybody with a cell phone isn't a journalist. >> Well, if they choose to be, they are. It's in the Constitution. >> Okay. Cell phones make you a journalist? >> If you If that's what you choose to do, yeah. >> I mean, I just had an investigative suspicious activity. >> Suspicious isn't a crime. >> people about selling reporting. >> Fully legal. >> identification and if a law enforcement officer asks for the identification, you are required >> You are not. Why am I not in jail right now, then? >> Well, cuz we're trying to not go that route by you not identifying yourself. So, technically, >> You see, I got bail money. So, I don't know if If y'all really want to press it. >> So, technically, I can arrest you right now for resisting arrest. You're obstructing my investigation. >> That is No, no, I haven't obstructed anything. I don't No, I don't have to help you in your investigation. I don't have to help you identify anyone. That's helping your investigation. That's your job. That's what I pay you to do. >> Sir, we understand that she's just trying to gain your compliance, sir. >> That's not my problem. >> to take you to jail, but also I'm doing my job. >> You clearly do because this is a legal constitutionally protected activity that you're harassing me over. And then you're lying to me telling me I have to submit ID to any of you officer that ask. No, that's incorrect. If you suspect me of a crime and you can articulate it, then yes, I will surrender ID. >> Let me clear [snorts] it up. >> We'll clear it up in court. >> Well, we're not in court, sir. >> We can be very easily. >> I would like to avoid that. >> I I would rather not because this is going to keep happening until you guys are taught a lesson. >> What's that, sir? >> That you can't that you can't bully people into giving ID when you don't have you don't suspect a crime. >> So, nobody is trying to bully you into anything. >> She just told me she could take me to jail if I don't give her my ID. >> What she's trying to to make you sure you understand is that when law enforcement are investigators, >> they can investigate whatever you want. You have to suspect me of a crime. What crime do you suspect me of? All she can All she can articulate is suspicion, not a crime. >> You're going to listen to her? She's asking questions, so you want the answers? >> Not really. I know the answers. You think I would come out here and not know? Am I detained or am I free to go? >> Right now you're detained. >> Okay. For what For what crime do you suspect me of? >> Because she's following up on an investigation. >> What crime do you suspect me of? >> Suspicious activity. >> It's not So, suspicion is a crime? >> Are you going to give her your name and information? >> No. >> Okay. Turn around and put your hands behind you. >> Okay. >> Hello. Can I have your driver's license, registration, proof of insurance? >> For what? >> Can I get your driver's license? >> For what? >> I'll explain it to you. >> Why Why would I give it to you if I'm not driving? >> You were driving. I just saw you. >> I'm parked. >> Can I get your driver's license? >> So, you're stopping me? >> Can I get your driver's license? >> I don't have it. You can have me ID number? >> Sure. What's your name? >> D3593928 >> What's your real name? >> What do you mean? >> What's your name? On your driver's license. >> D35 93928 >> Is that your driver's license number? >> Yes, it is. All my information will be on there. >> What's your name? >> Don't worry about her. She's a passenger. >> Not hers, yours. What does it say on your driver's license? >> Franklin Ornelas >> And when's your birthday? >> It should be on there. >> When's your birthday? >> It should be on there. You want to look it up? >> Well, I need to know from you. >> For what am I being pulled over for? >> So, your plate that plate is not legal. You have to have the California plate. It's white and red. Okay? Do you have your registration and proof of insurance? >> [laughter] >> You have it? >> Do you have your registration and proof of insurance? >> Wasn't my legal if we paid the DMV for >> You have a current one? That's the latest one we have right here. >> April 23rd. >> Okay, well, it's fine. >> Current, so you can go ahead and sign it. >> It's not. >> It's current. I wouldn't have tags if it wasn't current. >> Well, do you have a current one that's >> Okay, so then is that a ticket or is that a offense? >> Do you have your insurance? >> Silly ass right here. She got mad. You work with feelings or are you law enforcement? >> Is it on your phone? >> Yes. >> Okay, while you look it up, I'll be right back. >> Hurry up. So, she's saying my plates aren't legal. That I have to have California. >> Red and white. How the [ __ ] is it not legal if we paid the DMV for them? She pissed me off. She has no [ __ ] reason to do what she's doing. >> She's mad. They drove by and I told her hurry up and pointed, so she came after me and I parked and then they came up to me. Up to me. >> Well, [ __ ] you. >> What an idiot, dude. >> There's nothing there. >> What's up with the guy? He said, "Yeah, this is Santa Paula PD for you." I'm getting a cramp. >> You need to stay in the car. >> Let me stretch my cramp. >> Stay in the car. >> Let me stretch my cramp. >> Then you can have a seat on the ground. I'm not going to have you standing outside of the >> Hold on, man. Jesus Christ. >> You need to have a seat. >> Can you relax? I'm getting a cramp. I'm telling you I'm not getting out for no reason. >> You either have a seat in your car or have a seat on the curb over here. You cannot be standing outside your car. >> Is that department issued? >> What? >> The headband? >> No, but we're allowed to wear it. Guys wear hats, so we can wear that. >> Then blue line? Yeah. You're a heart supporter? >> Huh? >> You're a heart supporter? >> I don't even do the job. >> Are you the one they say that looks like Justin Bieber? >> No. >> No? That's not you? >> No. >> Are you sure? >> Yeah. >> You had short hair before? >> No. >> Always had long hair? And this is the one they say is a [ __ ] Right here. She's got a nasty attitude right here, dude. Have you been drinking or using any narcotics? Do you mind following my finger? >> No. >> No? Why? >> No. >> Well, I need to check. >> No. >> Why? >> Cuz. >> Just cuz? No real reason? She's refusing a field sobriety. We'll have to take your license, then. A refusal is not good. It's a big deal, probably Ronnie. >> So, you're getting a ticket for not having the proper license plates on your car, >> What's the real proper? >> insurance, >> I have insurance. >> and no proper registration. >> I have them both. >> is expired. >> I need a current one. >> So, go get them in the car. >> So, this is without admitting guilt, I promise to appear at the time and place. >> I'm not saying that cuz I have my insurance and my proof of >> It says that you're not guilty. It doesn't >> It's fine, so rewrite it. >> If you don't sign it, you're going to go to jail. >> So, call me a supervisor. All right, I'll wait. >> If you don't sign it, >> I'll wait for him to get here. We need to talk to the supervisor. >> Okay. >> All right. Dismissed. What is your name again? >> It's right here, Ulric. >> It's right here, Ulric? So, is that It's right here the first name? >> Sure. >> Okay. And ID number? >> 1163 >> So, what's the proper license plate? >> So, you're supposed to have a Californian one. See the plate on that car over there? >> Like that one? >> Yeah, like that one. So, you're going to want You're supposed to have that one on the back of your car. >> Ah, so why does the DMV issue those? So, the DMV So, everyone with personalized plates are illegal. Everybody with personalized plates is illegal? Okay. There you go, guys. So, if you have personalized plates, be careful. I need to speak to a sergeant. I have insurance and I have registration. I have them both when she walked away. When she walked away she didn't get them. It's on my phone and I was looking for the current insurance. Stop lying. Stop lying. Don't be lying. You knew we were looking for it. You liar.