Are you out here for a contractor? Take a picture. Nope. >> Okay. Do you have a uh give me your name and date of birth? >> I will not. Do >> you have a did I? >> Are you detaining me? >> I need to see your ID. >> I'm not with the ID. >> You haven't broken any law, but you're still being forced to show ID. And that's when the real trouble begins. >> So, you're unwilling to provide any sort of identification? >> I I I don't think I have an obligation to if I haven't done anything wrong. only have to identify myself if I've been lawfully arrested like >> that. I know what the law is. >> Then you can't arrest me for failure ID, which is what you just said. So you lied to it. >> This isn't just a video. It's a living record of the price of abuse of power. The moment he raised his camera, a stranger rushed up and said, "This is our property, but the ground he was standing on might be the very thing that makes everything explode. probably can't be taking videos on this side here. >> If you want to walk on the other side of the street, that's legal. But on this side of the street, this actually belongs to us over here. >> Okay. >> Would you not step so close to me, please? You make me nervous. Okay. >> Um >> I'm I'm sorry. You You lost me. You made me nervous when you walked up. You kind of lost. >> You cannot take video of this site here. This is private property. >> If you want to video it, you need to get permission from our management or you'll have to walk on the other side of the street cuz if I continue, we'll have to follow the law on you. >> All right. Uh, >> I don't know who you are, who you work for. Doesn't matter to me. I just don't want you videoing our site. >> Okay. And what site is this? Is this Enos? >> Enos? Yes, it's Inos and Salv. I'll do the security for both sides. >> Okay. >> Why don't you come over this way so you get out the road? Right. >> Well, I mean, uh, I I don't think that I'm I'm doing anything wrong. >> Yes, you are. If you're on this side of the property, this is actually property private property. When you're on this side of the street, you're actually getting on our property. >> You sure about that? >> I'm positive, sir. >> Okay. Um, well, I >> that's why that's why I come to warn you. I just assume you not take a video of our site. >> Um, trying to move to this car to get by. I don't want to get run over. >> I understand. We don't want you getting run over either. >> Okay. He went down. Okay. Well, uh, about only thing I can tell you is the uh, first amendment constant United States allows me to be out here taking photographs. This is public. This is public right away. >> Everything Everything from those telephone wires out is public propert. Um, >> you think so? >> I I I do think so. >> Nobody's going to get arrested, not me. I >> I'm not going to get arrested. I'm not going to get arrested. You know, >> we don't want you taking >> You need assistance over there. >> We got a guy just >> I I I'm not trying to be uncooperative. Just telling you >> I told you not to be on our site. You've been walking down the street on our site. >> Yes, sir. I understand what you're saying, but what I'm telling you is that this is public property. >> Constitutional right and get you arrested. Is that what you want done? >> If if that's what you got to do, Billy, you go ahead. >> Uh, I don't really want to do that because it's such a beautiful day. I don't want anybody having issues. >> I I I understand. I understand. But I can tell you what the countyy's going to tell you. This is a public road. >> He says it's public property, but the other man insists it's private and claims filming requires permission. The tension starts to build because every word feels like it's pushing the cameraman into the wrong. And just when it seems like it's only a routine warning, the story takes a far more disturbing turn. >> I I really don't want to get argument with you. I >> And I'm not trying to be argumenting. I'm trying to I'm trying to explain the law to you. I mean, I know I knew the law before I walked down here, >> too. And other people arrested. So, I'm trying to try to give you a break. Okay, man. >> Okay. And I appreciate that. >> I really don't want to have to call Harris County on you. >> I understand. And I appreciate that. And And I understand you're trying >> taking video of our site anyway. >> Well, to tell you the truth, I wasn't taking video. was taking step. >> You were actually walking and pointing the camera at these sites. >> Yes. Yes, I was. Yes, I was. >> You're doing that. You were taking video of our site. We're a homelander conscience security act. If you're taking video of our site, that's actually almost the grounds of terrorism because we don't know what you're doing. >> I'm a terrorist with a camera. >> You might be. We don't know if you're taking pictures to come back and attack us. So, that's why we have to protect ourselves like that. >> Okay. I understand that. Okay. Okay. And I and these are these are chemical plants on both sides of the street. If you do this on anybody else's property, they're walking down this street either way. >> Mhm. >> We're going to stop and we're going to ask you questions and we don't want you to do that. >> And and I understand if you stop and ask me questions, that's fine. And and and I understand what you're saying that you think I'd be over there. I I'm just explaining to you that that's not that's not that's not right. >> That you're you're not correct. either can or >> I mean we work we work really close with these people and we know >> I I understand I understand I I don't know why you want to take pictures and stuff. I don't >> all All I was doing I'm not taking any video. All I was doing was taking pictures of that flare. these signs. >> These signs that say ENOS or whatever it says here that is for my youth. >> I'm a journalist gathering content for a story. >> And who do you work for? >> I'm not going to answer that question. Okay. >> So, okay. All right. I I understand. Well, so you got the sheriff's department on their way. Um I'm going to go ahead and keep walking and doing what I'm doing unless you're detaining me. >> The tension escalates with every word. And what sends chills down your spine is how they use language that feels like they're labeling him without any clear evidence. But right after that, things take a dangerous turn as the warnings stop sounding like reminders and start sounding like direct threats. >> And I feel for you. I feel for you, brother. Okay. >> And and we just don't want you. If you want to walk on past our site >> and take pictures of the rest of chemical plants, I don't care. I just assume you not take pictures of our site. >> Okay. >> Is that an issue? I Well, I mean I I think I'm almost done here. Doesn't your site like end right here? >> Yes, it goes way past the railroad track. Way past the railroad track. Another little cut off. >> Okay. I'm I'm probably going to take some more pictures of your site then >> before I get to the end of this road if if your property extends that that far. I mean, I'm being honest with you >> and and I'm being honest with you. I >> by doing that, you're actually, like I said, we're a homeland security site and we can actually file charges on you. And I don't want to do that. Okay? I mean, I'm seriously I don't want to ruin somebody's day because they just want to be a pain in the ass and take pictures of ourselves. We ask you not to. >> I'm not trying to be a pain in the ass to you. We ask you. >> Okay. I I understand. Okay. And I'm asserting my constitutional rights by saying that I have that right. >> I mean, if the police come out here and arrest me, I mean I mean that's what they're going to do. That's what they're going to do. But I haven't done anything wrong >> in your opinion. Our opinion is you're taking pictures of our site. We're homeland security site. We don't want you taking pictures of it. >> And and I understand that. >> And by doing that, we don't know. I mean, I can file charges on you about being a terrorist because I don't know if you're going to film this and use that to come and shoot rockets at us or something. >> Yeah. I've got a I've got a fully automatic camera here. [laughter] >> You may have some at your house cuz hey, guess what happened in in California? Don't know what's happening anywhere. >> You should be careful. This thing is full automatic. >> That's fine. Let's go in there. [laughter] You know, I mean, whatever you want to do, you know, that's fine. >> I I don't have any weapons. I don't have any weapons on. >> I understand. But what I don't want you to do is take pictures and >> and I understand. I understand. But that that interferes with what I am doing. Okay. So, >> and I don't understand what you're doing. >> I'm a journalist gathering content for a story. >> He stays calm, repeatedly insisting he has no bad intentions, no weapons, and hasn't trespassed onto the property. No backing down, no giving in, and no accepting a baseless label. And then right when you think it's just going to stay a war of words, law enforcement shows up. >> Good afternoon, sir. How are you? >> Well, I was doing better a minute ago. >> Why is that? >> You guys showed up. Aren't you happy? I waited for you in the shade so we didn't have to stand out heat. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, well, we got a call that suspicious person is walking up down taking pictures and this and that. All these refineries are protected under homeland security and all that for uh photography and videography purposes. I mean um is are you out here for a contractor taking pictures? >> Nope. Out here for yourself? >> Yep. >> Okay. You got an ID on you? >> I do. >> You mind if I see it? >> I do mind. >> You do mind? Okay. Do you have a uh give me your name and date of birth? >> I will not. >> Okay. >> I haven't done anything wrong. If you if you tell me some law I've broken, I'll happily identify myself. You know, if you're going to arrest me or whatever, I'll happily identify myself. >> I'm not saying you're under arrest, but we have somebody out here uh videotaping and taking photographs of secure facilities and we need to make sure that it's not of any ill intent. >> I I have no ill will. I'm I'm a journalist gathering content for >> I understand that. But we have we have to document that. We have to provide that for for our supervisors and anytime anything like this happens, this is the way we have to do it. So, you're unwilling to provide any sort of identification. >> I I I don't think I have an obligation to if I haven't done anything wrong. I mean, am I am I wrong? Deputy Baldwin >> Viller, >> have you got a a relative that works in Galveston County? >> No, sir. >> No. Okay. So, you're you're stating that your sole intention out here is to gather information for because you're a private journalist. >> I'm a journalist gathering content for a store. >> Yes, sir. >> No. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, and this gentleman tried to tell me that I couldn't stand on that side of the street and take pictures, and I told him he's wrong. >> They start with questions that seem routine, but the goal is crystal clear. They want his identity. The tension is razor thin. And when the cameraman finally explains why he refuses to hand over his ID, the conversation shifts into far more sensitive territory. >> Like I said, it would make it a lot easier on us if you would identify yourself. That way we can put your information in, show that you're not of any threat, and be able to clear this. It would make it easier on all of us. >> Okay. And I understand what you're trying to do, but but what happens when you generate that report? just said that their concerns with homeland security and terrorism and all that kind of stuff. And when you generate that report that gets sent over to the uh intelligence division, they forward it to the regional center and where do I end up? I end up on the terrorist watch list and now they're trying to use that list to deny people the ability to purchase firearms. No, I I'm not interested in in any of that. >> Is this supervisor? >> Back three for me. Come on. >> We're all in the area. Well, the only the only weapons I have are my camera. >> I understand. >> Okay. >> Pull your hand out your pocket. >> Uh I mean, am I being detained? >> No, you're not being detained. >> Okay. Well, I I don't have anything in my pocket. It's just how I stand. >> Okay. >> So, I'll I'll pull the pocket. Look inside out so you can see it. That is the only pocket I'll touch. >> Okay. >> Hi, deputy. >> Hi. How are you, >> Kimble? I saw you earlier when you drove by. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. See, >> it is they hadn't called in on you yet. >> Well, I mean, if I was doing something wrong, why didn't you stop and and see what I was doing? Oh yeah. >> And and I explained to you why I don't want to give my identification. Okay? I I just don't want to end up on terrorist watch list and then not be able to buy a gun or, you know, whatever kind of crazy stuff that uh Obama's coming up with this week. Uh that that's it. So uh I'm sorry if I hurt Billy's feelings. Uh that wasn't my intention, but uh you know, he was he was he was clearly out of line. >> Okay. Well, you kept me up to speed. I don't know what's going on. I >> I'm just taking pictures. Okay. Public roadway. >> Public roadway. Public access at all times. You saw me. You saw me. Sure do. Y. >> Yeah. >> That's That's where I'm at. He wants identification. And I told him I wouldn't provide it because >> Well, of course he's he's not a peace out. Absolutely. You don't have to do that. >> No, I'm talking about >> Oh, yeah. >> Uh Baldwin, Officer Baldwin. >> Deputy Baldwin. I got to get it right. I told him I didn't want to provide it because I first of all, I haven't done anything wrong. Um, and because when he generates a report, you know, Homeland Security ends up with it eventually and I end up on the terrorist watch list. All it takes is one line written the wrong way, one person interpreting it differently and the consequences can follow an innocent citizen for a long time. The story ends here, but the issue doesn't because if it happens to him today, it could be any one of us tomorrow. Up next, the cameraman stands near the Taylor County Sheriff's Department in jail and notices officers on foot patrol. Just seconds later, the conversation shifts from normal to tense because they start demanding something no one expects. I didn't know Taylor County had a walking patrol. >> Had what? >> A walking patrol. You guys are walking. You're not riding. >> We're just coming out. See what's going on. >> What's going on? >> Videotaping the jail. What's What's the reason? >> No particular reason. >> Oh, it is secure facility though. >> Okay. >> What are your intentions? >> What were my intentions? Go find a water burger and get some dinner here in just a minute. >> Do you have ID on you? Uh, >> are you a police officer? Yes, sir. I am a deputy. >> Okay. >> Do you have a ID on you? >> Are you detaining me? >> I need to see your ID. >> I'm not with C I need to see your ID, sir. >> Uh, I'd rather not give it. >> I need to see your ID. >> It's just like a circular conversation. >> No, I need to see your ID because if something happens to one of my officers or something, I need to have a name for person of interest or something. Okay, just put good citizen in your report. >> I need to see some ID, sir. >> Negative. >> You end up going to jail for failure ID. I'm requesting your ID. >> Well, 382 says I only have to identify myself if I've been lawfully arrested. >> Like that. I know what the law is. >> No one has pointed to any law he's broken. Yet, the demand for ID keeps coming again and again. And the more he refuses, the heavier the tension gets. Like they're trying to pressure him into giving in. And then the argument shifts away from simple back and forth and into outright warnings and direct threats. >> ID, which is what you just said, so you lied to me. >> Yes, it is. >> Why can I not arrest you for failure ID? Capacity violation. I don't have to write you a ticket. >> Sergeant Olsson, are you going to go along with that? >> This is my lieutenant. Ah, >> Lavario. Deputy Lavario. Okay. >> Is that your vehicle over there? >> It is not. So, what's the big secret about why you're standing here recording our gate? >> It's no secret. It's care less about the gate. Getting a marked unit. And I see there's another marked unit in there that looks like it's from the city. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. That's all I'm doing. >> Okay. Well, we don't want you videotaping our patrol unit to our secured area. There's reasons for that. >> Okay. >> So, I suggest you lose your ID or you need to leave. >> So, you're going to make me leave? >> Yes, sir. >> What happens if I don't? Then you will be charged with criminal trespass. >> You're going to charge me with criminal trespass for standing on a public street. You're >> not on a public street. So you're on my property. >> This is not your property. This is the public rideway. It's the public rightway. I'm within 18 ft of the center line of the roadway. Yes, sir. I am. >> So what are you doing? What are your intentions? >> You're not going to be very cooperative with these answer questions. What you going to do? >> I'm just here. I I told you what I'm doing. I'm getting pictures of the marked units. That's all I'm interested in. >> Well, we don't want you taking pictures of our marked units for safety and security reasons. I suggest you give us your ID or you need to take off leaving. You take your pick or you see your ID. I need to identify you first. Give me your ID. I'm going to get your ID already. So, I suggest give it to you. >> You're going to get my ID for what? You're going to arrest me for standing on [music] public property, being engaged in a constitutionally protected activity. Constitutionally protected activity. you're fixing to arrest people for on public property. Has the sheriff got a nice big checkbook? I hope he does. >> So, what is your reason for being here? What's your organization? >> I am taking pictures of the marked patrol unit. >> Why? >> Because I want to. >> Well, you're not going to. >> You're not going to stop me. >> You're videotaping our secured area. >> I can see it from the public street. If you don't if you don't want me to look at it, >> if you don't want me to look at it, build a wall around it. The more he responds with the law, the more they tighten the pressure with authority. And the tensest moment comes when he says it straight. Are you really going to arrest me just for standing on public property? But it doesn't stop there. Things turn even darker when they start talking about force measures that send a chill down your spine. >> I'm not going to leave public property. You cannot trespass me for public property. before you take another step, before you do anything else, you better call the sheriff. You better call him and ask him what you should do because it's it's occurring to me. It's looking to me like you don't know what you're doing. >> I know to. I'm just trying to give you a chance. I don't want to take your inside. I got other different people as criminals that actually deal with than you out here. But for the safety and security of our facility, I don't want you videotaping anything coming out of those gates. >> All I'm interested in are the mark units. >> Well, go over to the sheriff's office, the main LEC, and take those videos in front of our secure jail. Um, I may go over there next. I'm not sure yet. >> No, you can go right now. >> Well, this is where my my uh uh address that came up when I Googled it. >> Mhm. >> This is where I came. >> Well, it's on South Fourth and Pan Street. >> Okay. Go look at it later. >> Well, then you need to go. Give me your ID. >> Again, we have a circular conversation here. >> Yes, we are. >> Okay. >> And either you leave or I'm going to go identify you inside cuz like I said, I security my office >> one more time. I'm going to tell you I am standing on public property. You have no authority here unless I have done something unlawful. I have broken no law and in fact am engaged in a constitutionally protected activity. >> Yes, I know. But I'm not going to have you not identified if something happens to one of my officers. >> You can't identify him? >> Yes, I can. >> No, you can't. You cannot lawfully identify me in the state of Texas unless I've committed a crime worthy of a lawful arrest. >> You signed that license. You gave the right to me asking >> who said I have a license? Whatever ID you signed for, you got to have something. Whether this state or another state or whatever, when you signed it, you said that you would give the right to every officer or even state police officer to see your license. >> If you're driving and operating a motor vehicle, >> all I have to give you to identify myself, if I so choose to, is my name and do DO. >> I got to give it to you. I haven't done anything wrong. I have not broke. >> Why does it bother you? give it to me >> because you have no right to the information. You have no right to the information. It's about right. Okay? It's my personal information >> that you're asking for. And then you're going to generate a report. It's going to go to your intel division. They're going to send it over to the fusion center and the next thing you know, I'm on the terrorist watch list. I I'm not have anything to do with that. I'm a journalist. I'm out here gathering matters of interest. >> The cameraman is standing on public property, insisting he hasn't broken any law. Yet the officers keep repeating the demand for ID. And right after that, the story hits its hottest point when he finally explains why he refuses to give up his personal information and the tension skyrockets. >> I am not going to leave. Because you do not have the right to trespass me from public property. >> I do too. You >> do not. Yes, I do. >> Tell you what, call the district attorney. >> Call a DA. If you don't want to call a sheriff, you better call the DA. >> I'm going to call DA. I don't have to call anybody. >> Okay. Then what are we doing >> then? If you don't want to produce any ID or leave the property, then I will call one of my patrol deputies. They'll come out here and we'll take care of it. >> Okay. >> You suggest is that what you want? >> That's not what I want. >> I want you to go on about your business and >> go take care of your criminals and leave us law abiding folk alone. >> No, I can't deal with this with you taking pictures of miles coming in and out of that facility. Yeah, >> people take pictures of police officers all day long, every day. You guys take pictures of us all day long, every day. >> We just went to court over this and got a ruling back in February and Turner versus Driver. Public servants in the course of their duties can be videoed anytime, any place, so long as they're in public. Don't cross the cover. Mind >> if I get a better picture of you in the sun in the background. >> Take all the pictures you want. We're in public. Have a good day. >> You too. Be safe in there. >> This isn't just an argument outside a secure facility. It's a clear example of how sometimes your rights aren't taken because you did something wrong, but because someone [music] wants to force you to comply on their terms. Citizens may sue police officers under 42 USC section 1,983 when their rights are violated. Officers found in violation [music] may be required to pay damages and face discipline or termination. A good society isn't measured by whoever [music] is stronger wins, but by whether the weaker are still protected. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, [music] subscribe, and support us with the donation. 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