You say there's no policies, but you there are many signs. You walk past >> have to give You do not have to give your ID. How can How can they demand me to produce ID when you, as a sergeant of a police department >> When a citizen who knew the law refused to hand over ID without cause inside a public building, the officers turned his constitutional rights into an excuse for overreach. And that choice could leave them facing serious legal trouble. >> We're not committing a crime. >> Where Where Where is >> the law? You've already explained that you know the law. >> Well, you're not a fishing wildlife guy, dude. You don't know nothing about fishing regulations, and you don't know nothing about my fishing license. >> A baseless ID demand in North Miami suddenly turned into a breathless confrontation as police were forced by a citizen who knew the law to face the line of overreach and the legal price waiting behind it. Just one camera appeared inside a public building, and the atmosphere immediately changed. And when the question of ID was raised, the line between citizen's rights and abuse of power began to grow dangerously thin. >> Can I turn my camera off? Yeah, it's recording. Yeah, why? Oh, no. Yeah, no. I'm just I'm just walking around filming. That's what I'm doing. I'm an independent journalist. Who are you? >> We We ask who you are first before you ask >> No, I'm not going to I'm not going to turn it off. No. But who who are you? No, I want to know who I'm speaking with. ID? What's that? You want ID? >> Yeah, I'm just You're coming through our office, so you're filming. >> Yeah, no. I'm not going to give you any ID. >> Why not? >> I don't even know who you are. >> I'm one of the uh You could just be administrators here. >> You're an administrator in the district office? >> Yes, I am. >> Okay. You Your name is? >> My name is Mr. Kern. >> Mr. Kern? >> I'm just trying to >> My name is Mr. Reyes. >> Okay, cuz everybody says somebody's walking through here with a camera. >> you. >> Nice to meet you. But you know >> Wait, are you going to grab my camera? >> I'm not going to grab anything. >> Oh, okay. I thought it looked like you were for a second. >> No. >> like, "Whoa." >> I know. I was just wondering somebody's walking through my office with a camera. I want to know. >> Yeah. No. >> know where where who you're with and >> I was I was in your office? >> You were up in the hallway here, which is my where my office is. >> But I wasn't in your office. >> I didn't say you were in my office. I said you were in the area where my office was. >> Okay. I just wanted to make it clear. I didn't go in any offices. For sure. >> to make sure who's coming through our office here with uh with a with uh >> Yeah. With recording? >> Recording. Yes. [music] >> That would be me. >> That would be you. Do you have any ID that we know who you are? >> No, I'm not going to provide you with any ID. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. Thank you. Hi. How are you? >> Are you leaving or >> Uh no, I'm not leaving. No. >> I think if you don't provide us with ID, this is although this is a public space >> Yeah. Uh-huh. >> this is a company building. >> Okay. >> Um so you have to have a a reason and a purpose for being here >> Okay. >> or at least provide ID when asked. >> So I need a reason or to be provide ID to be here. >> Correct. >> Okay. And what what was your name? >> My name is Dr. Corey Rudolph. I'm the assistant superintendent of human resources. >> Okay, you're assistant superintendent human resources. Corey Rudolph. No, I'm I'm not going to provide you guys with any ID. No, I'm not going to leave either. I have business to conduct here. >> And your business is with whom? >> I don't want to disclose that to you guys. You guys, you know, even though you've been respectful, it just I I'm not getting a good vibe off you guys. So it's like as far as you guys are trying to to kick me out or tell me I need to leave or provide ID, those are all things that, you know, I'm not in agreement with any of that stuff. >> So please know the police is on their way. >> Okay. >> When the ID dispute still had no clear ending, the arrival of police seemed like it would make everything clearer. But within the first few questions, the situation shifted into an even more dangerous direction. >> Hello. >> Hey, how are you? >> Hey, how you doing, sir? Nice to meet you guys. >> Uh this gentleman who has provided the name of the citizen at the society at the front desk has been walking around the building knowing he's confidential areas. >> That's not true. How you doing, sir? >> Good. Can you step >> Sure, sure. I'll come talk to you. No problem. >> What's going on today? Why are you >> No, nothing. I'm an independent journalist, officer. Can I just know just can I get your name and your badge so I know what's going on? >> I'm Officer Montes. I'll give you all the information I have at the end, but I need to know why you're here. >> Okay, yeah. I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story exercising my First Amendment right, freedom of press. That's all. I'm just gathering content for a story. I'm not going into restricted areas or anything like that. >> That's fine. You're allowed to do that, but you need to sign in with your name. >> I did sign in. >> No, with a name. >> I did sign in. >> With your name. >> But I did. >> No, you didn't. Your first name and your last name. >> Yeah, but how why would you think that my first name's not good and my last name's not good? >> Okay, do you have an ID on you? >> But you can't ask me for an ID unless I broke an a broken law, sir. You have to have reasonable articulable suspicion I committed a crime. >> You need to sign in, otherwise they're saying you're not >> Okay, so I'm going to go sign I'm going to go sign in. Okay? No problem. >> you wrote wasn't true, correct? >> What? No, I don't know. I just signed in. >> Okay. That's all. This is how it works, okay? >> Yeah. >> First thing I'm going to say, I'm a police officer. >> I understand. >> to ask you your name. If you give me false information, that's a crime. That's why we might arrest you. >> know that. I know that. >> So what is your name? >> One second. Are you >> is your name, sir? >> Are you are you telling me are you ordering me? >> No, I'm telling you you have to provide a name that's accurate. >> No, I'm not telling you >> me your name is good Samarian. >> I'm not telling you anything. I'm not telling you anything. >> what is your name? >> But are you ordering me to give me your name? >> Right now, you need to give ID to be in this building, yes. >> I have to give you my ID to be in this building. >> Correct. That's why we have security with a with a >> Okay, but well I don't understand. If you can't get if you can't get my ID Listen, I I want to be reasonable here, but if you >> being reasonable. You're causing me a problem. >> But how? >> Because you didn't sign in, you bypassed security >> I I I went right to security. I told him what I was doing. >> Did he bypass you? >> No, I He's not the security guard I spoke to. >> He's the front security guard. >> No, there was another gentleman there. >> I don't know what you're talking about. >> So if you don't I don't understand. >> Okay. >> He was on lunch. He just explained it to you. >> When authority began being used to pressure a citizen into silence, he decided to demand that a supervisor step in. But instead of calming things down, the sergeant's arrival made the signs of overreach even harder to ignore. >> I'll wait till she's finished. So I don't understand what it was, you know, but you guys but you guys What I'm saying is that you guys have no reasonable articulable suspicion to get my ID. You don't. I mean, I do it all the time. I would have Can I get your name and badge number, sir? >> It'll be in the police report. >> Wow. >> It'll be in the police report. You're offended by that? >> No, I'm It's not that I'm It's just that it's courtesy to identify yourself as a as a >> They're asking you for your information. That's it. >> Hey, Sarge. May I have a word with you, please? >> Well, you can have it. >> Yeah, sure. So I'm an independent journalist gathering content for a story. I'm in here. They're telling This officer is demanding to see identification from me. He's demanding to see identification from me without reasonable articulable suspicion I've committed a crime. He's telling me to take it to court. I would like as a supervisor for you to de-escalate the situation a little bit cuz they came in a little hot and as you know, I do not have any legal obligation to provide you with any sort of identification or identifying information. So I'm exercising my first amendment right peacefully. I've communicated to them what I'm doing. I'm not doing anything underhanded. You have got a lot of police officers here, you know. Um as you can see, I'm not a threat. But things could be handled differently. This officer right here came in hot and started, you know, demanding things of me saying I was going to be arrested. You know, I don't appreciate that. I want to just peacefully gather my content for my story here, sir. That's all I want to do. >> What's your story? >> My story is on City Hall, sir. I don't want to disclose I don't want to disclose further detail because I haven't published it yet. >> Of course. >> I haven't I mean, I haven't published it yet. >> Just like you have you claim you have the right to have but I can't you shouldn't have the right to know what your story is about. >> But but you don't though. >> you're going to videotape people >> Yeah. >> in the building. >> But this is a public This is a public building. This is a public building. This is a public building. >> Why don't you want your name known? >> No, I don't It's not that I don't I don't I want my name known. It's not about that. He's asking for identification. >> But a good Samaritan, that's not a normal thing to do. >> I understand that, but they could still call me. This is my private right. I have a Fourth Amendment right to protect myself from searches and seizures of my identity. So, like I said, this is an unconstitutional This is unconstitutional and all I'm asking is I I signed in, I gave a name, and I gave my and I gave a contact information. I understand for COVID they don't need to know my real name, sir. There's There's There's no legal You guys are not policy enforcement. You guys are law enforcement. You guys shouldn't enforce policies. >> You're right, but you need to write your name to be in the building. So, if you don't want to do that, then you have >> Yeah, but they cannot violate my constitutional right. >> When police could not point to a clear crime, their accusations began turning into a weapon more dangerous than handcuffs. And surrounded by officers, a name on the sign-in sheet was suddenly turned into a reason to push everything even further. >> Sir, I don't I I really don't even want to answer any more questions cuz you guys are you guys are being really hot. You guys >> information. >> You guys You guys >> That's not your real number. You're You're falsifying You're falsifying information. >> Falsifying information to a law to a law enforcement to a law enforcement officer is a crime. That is a crime. Falsifying >> That's a government form, sir. That's a government piece of paper. >> Can you articulate the crime? What crime have I committed? Articulate >> name. >> Can you You're a law enforcement officer. Articulate the crime I've committed. >> We've done it several times. You have. >> What is What is the crime? I want to hear it. >> said you wrote false information. >> But what crime is that? That's all I'm asking you. If you tell me what crime it is >> out to you the procedure and the policy and the sign. You're denying that. Everything we tell you, you're just denying. So, we're going in circles. >> not you're not telling me a crime though. You're not articulating a crime. >> Sir, you have provided information and you have to leave. You're free to leave. >> Are you are you telling me sergeant? >> got what you wanted? You got what you wanted? You got what you wanted? You got what you >> No, I'm not I'm not sergeant. Are you telling me that I'm Are you telling are you giving me a lawful order to leave? >> You have to leave. You're not following policy of the >> Sergeant, can I I'm going to confirm with your sergeant. Is that all right with you? >> You will not follow their policy. You have to leave. >> So, you're giving me a lawful order to leave? >> yes. >> Okay. All right, no problem. >> Have a nice day. Have a good day. >> Appreciate it. >> No problem. >> You guys are all going to get complaints on you. >> All right, we appreciate it. But, have a nice day, all right? >> Thank you. So, what policy did I break sir? Can you just tell me? Can you explain to me so when I I'm going to come back here tomorrow. So, I want to know when I visit us. All right, thank you. >> That hey, that blue line, that's a desecration of the flag, man. >> Have a nice day, all right? Appreciate it. >> Good. Can you tell me what policies reasonably? I left the building. I I have left the building. I just wanted to know what policies tomorrow when I come back. >> Okay, the mask, ID, and everything else like that. And we appreciate everything. >> the ID? Can you show me where it says I have to provide ID? >> How do we know who you are? I have ID. >> Does everybody who walked through this door provide you with ID? No, I saw three people walk in. What is it? What is it then? What is it then? They didn't they didn't they didn't they didn't provide ID. Why do I have to provide ID? >> All right, have a nice day, sir. >> Why do I have to provide ID? Just so you know, we're only doing this under threat of arrest by you, sergeant. Sergeant, can I get your name? I never got I never got your name. >> Sergeant. >> Your name's sergeant? >> Yeah. >> Oh, your name's sergeant. Very cool. >> Thank you. >> When the sergeant could not provide a clear legal basis, authority began being used as a way to force the camera man to leave. But, that very order opened a more dangerous question. Was the badge protecting the law or abusing it? >> That no. You say there's no policies, but you there are many times you walk past the police >> have to give You do not have to give your ID. So, how can a public just Sergeant, just think rationally for a minute. How can How can they demand me to produce ID when you as a sergeant of a police department have no authority to demand ID from me? Does that make sense to you? Come on, let's think logically here. >> This is a facility with closed doors that you are probably trying to get to. >> It's a closed doors. These are open to the public. I have business to conduct here. >> What What business? >> I have to fill out a FOIA request freedom of information act with the town clerk. >> do that? >> I was going to. >> you go Did you go straight to that office? >> I got stopped by your officers. >> Did you go straight to that office? >> No, because I'm also working on gathering content for a story freedom of the press. Just because I didn't go there first? >> Yeah, you said you had business to take care of. >> I do. >> take care of your business? >> I was I have other business, too, as far as gathering content for my story. >> Well, that's up to you. That's up to >> I just don't get it. You walked in there without a mask. >> Cuz I'm vaccinated. >> I'm vaccinated. So, why can't I go in there without a mask? I'm vaccinated. >> Well, he said if you show If you can prove you're vaccinated >> Did you Did you show him you Come on, this is a double standard. You didn't show him But you didn't prove to him. He's going based off your word because you have a badge. I'm not Listen, you think I'm trying to be like confrontational with you. I'm really not. How? By exercising my rights? That You took an oath to uphold the Constitution. As a man, you should take that seriously. >> As a man As a man? Why Why me being a man? Why does that have to >> Because you're being an oath-breaker. You're breaking You took an oath, right? You took an oath to uphold the law and uphold the Constitution. And then you allow this guy to come in here. I can understand why he's coming in here escalating everything. He's coming over here. Look, you guys don't care. I get it. But one day there's going to be legal accountability with you guys, and you guys People are going to see what you're doing, and they're going to hold you accountable through legal channels. >> You did not want to follow >> No handcuffs were locked, but the order forcing him out of the building left behind a major question about authority and the oath worn by those in uniform. Next, when his quiet steps began being followed, the entire street suddenly felt like a trap pulled tight. And with just one question from police, the line between a lawful check and abuse of power became more dangerous than ever. >> Keep going. Keep going. Keep walking. Ignore it. Keep walking. Keep walking. We're good, man. What's up with you? >> Am I being detained? >> Yeah, I'm going to figure out >> Okay, we're being detained. Yeah? >> So I can figure out >> You're not figuring out nothing today, buddy. I don't care what your problems are, dude. Leave me alone. Please. I don't If you want to follow me and see figure out what I'm doing, that's your investigation. Are we being Okay, then then I remain silent. I'm remaining silent. Don't worry about where I'm going. I don't want to hear you. I don't want to hear you speaking. Why are you Yeah, you just done, dude. You're done. So what? Don't worry about where we're going. I know it's going to and returning from. So I can walk from Miami all the way to Tallahassee and you can't stop me. So bye. Am I being detained still? Am I being detained? >> Yes. Yes. >> I'm not Come on. You're Don't worry about where I'm going, dude. If you want to follow me We're not We're not doing this, though. fishing or going to fish? worry, dude. I don't work >> part of the statute, right? That we have to know >> It's going to You don't have to know anything. It's just saying long as I'm going to and returning from fishing, hunting, or camping. >> Right. So, are you going to or from? >> It doesn't matter. >> matter. >> It does not matter. That's >> does. >> Well, okay. Let's say I was returning from fishing. >> We're not committing a crime. >> Where Where Where is >> already explained that you know the law. >> I know. That's why I'm >> Bye. Are we still detained? Are we still detained? You got more of your You got more of your freaking buddies coming. >> They're trying to jam us up saying that >> He's right there. >> And they're detaining us because they're not sure if we're going >> From the question of am I being detained, the standoff began shifting into a tense legal battle. The harder police tried to hold them there, the more they were forced to face a line they could not easily cross. >> what I'm fishing for, bud. You're not a fishing wildlife guy, dude. You don't know nothing about fishing regulations, and you don't know nothing about my fishing license. So, kick rocks, brah. >> Do you have your fishing license? >> Don't worry Don't worry about my fishing license. Hey, uh what's your name? What's your name? Da- Davlin Mar? And badge number? 48? >> 30. >> 30? Thank you. >> Do you have your fishing >> I I do. It's on me. Nope. Cuz I know I've already dealt with you before. I've dealt with this whole city. >> You personally know >> Yeah, this city? I've dealt with them. Yeah, yeah. Your city's stupid. >> Okay. I know, but >> I know. I You know. You know they're stupid. I have Yeah, yeah. Your city's stupid. >> Okay. I know, but >> I know. I You know. You know they're stupid. I have it on my person. Yes, I do. >> Okay. I read the statute. >> Uh-huh. >> We need to see it. I think you're misinterpreting >> No, I'm not. It says possession of the fi- And then you have to be >> I know if you have it or anything? Do you Do you understand that? >> Fishing license. >> You want to take this? your name on it? >> Yep, on the backside of it, dude. Well, see, the the thing is it says possession, not in I have to give it to a commission officer, which you are not. So, I'm not going to play these games with you. Are we still being detained? >> We did just a little while ago. You said one like that. >> Yeah, call them. Call them out, dude. I Are we still being detained? >> Yeah, the fish and wildlife >> Yeah, yeah, come on. Come on, bring them, dude. Hey, they're they're sending FWC out, bro. They're sending FWC. >> What what [laughter] what lawful reason do they have to do that? >> Uh resource inspection. >> Where? >> It's statute, bro. These guys can't run it. They can't do anything with our fish and wildlife. >> ID, please? >> Yeah. Hers 462. What was your name? Well, I I'm sorry. Martina? >> Montina. >> Montina. All right, perfect. Hey, man, you're looking at it. It looks sexy, don't it? It's It's like, "Ooh, wee." It is nice. AR It's a 300 blackout. Oh, yeah. I'm just waiting on the suppressor now. >> How long have you been waiting for? >> 6 months. >> 6? >> 6. >> It's been 6 months? So, you're about to get it now? >> Yeah, hopefully. >> Section 3, subsection H. What we're doing is completely lawful. You cannot detain us for lawful activity. >> Yeah, state versus >> When a fishing license was not enough to turn them into suspects, the cameraman began putting the law on the table. And from that moment on, every question he fired back felt like a trap. The more officers they called in, the harder it became to explain. >> A federal court case where a guy that was actually a felon with a possession of a fire firearm in the back of an Uber, the judge said, "Oh, this is thrown out because there was no probable cause." That's why they don't put firearms into 901.151. For the search for him for him him possessing that firearm until until they ran it. I'm just Look up Florida versus JL. Florida versus JL. You can't just stop us for nothing. For a constitutional right that you swore you swore you swore she swore all y'all swore to defend this. And then And then Am I detained? Am I detained? So, you swore an oath to defend this, but I'm still detained. That it's stupid. No. I don't want to hear you speak. I I have my license on me. Possession. I know. Well, they can meet us where we're going fishing. I'm not running away, everybody. I'm just waving to my truck. Hey, what's up? Yeah, buddy. That's why he's sending He's Batista, you don't want I don't think you want to be part of this, dogs. >> [laughter] >> Are we good? The word You can If you want to If you want to follow us Well, they If you want to follow us so that you can tell FWC cuz I don't have to help you with your investigation. I don't have to help you at all. Am I still detained? Am I I don't want to make conversation. You're not helping. You just stopped me, bro. You're not helping. >> After several tense minutes of being held there, one unexpected statement brought everything to a halt. and in that moment the entire detention began to look harder and harder to explain in front of the camera. >> You know, you don't remember me? >> Of course not. >> [laughter] >> Right now you guys are good to go. We're not >> All right, see you later. Have a good day. We're no longer detained? No longer detained? >> Can I get the call number? >> Yeah, incident report? And I think I did meet you know who I am. Remember the last time that you met somebody carrying a gun like this? You weren't that? All right. What? All right. All right. You know who I'm talking about. What was his name? Do you know? Yeah. >> In the end no one was taken away but those tense minutes exposed a dangerous line of authority. Citizens can sue police under section 1983 when [music] their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may face compensation payouts, disciplinary action, or even termination. When authority is used in the wrong place, the harm is not done to just one citizen. It damages society's trust in justice itself. So, what do you [music] think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and consider supporting us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]