This is a public meeting, no? >> No no video. You can put your camera down or you can leave. >> This is not a public meeting. >> Put the camera down and you can leave. >> Where's the transparency? >> Two choices. Put the camera down or leave. >> Where's the transparency? >> A baseless demand for ID inside a public building quickly escalated into a high-stakes confrontation when a citizen who knew his rights forced law enforcement to confront the legal risks created by their own actions. >> Do you have any ID? >> That's pretty strange. Why would you walk up and ask somebody if they have ID randomly? >> Cuz I requested it. Cuz you only know if you are here up for a job. >> Just one question. Where's your ID? Inside a public agency pulled police into dangerous territory as the line between keeping order and abusing power began opening the door to serious legal risk. No accusation. No clear law broken. Yet the ID demand was thrown out like a first strike. And when the cameraman pushed back by asking for the legal basis, the deputy chief's attitude instantly pushed the story into more tense territory. >> Hey, how are you? >> What what do you have on you? What's your name? >> Can I get your name and badge number first? >> And what's your name? >> Can I get your name and badge number first? >> I mean, what what's your name? >> I'm just asking you for your name and badge number, sir. >> I mean, you see what would say tell me what. >> Okay, since you don't want to provide it, it's Kizzart. >> No, it's not my name. >> That's how you say your name, Kizzart? How do you say it then? >> My name is Deputy Kizzart. What's your >> Oh, Kizzart. And your badge number, Kizzart? >> I mean, wow, but >> Just so I know who I'm talking to. You came up to me. >> I saw the one. I mean, I'm just wondering why you come up to him and not ask him to say what is your state your business. >> Oh, my business? I'm just taking pictures and video. >> What's What's the purpose? >> I'm an independent journalist. I'm just taking some pictures and video. Yeah. >> Wait, do you have any ID on you? >> Do I have any ID on me? >> Yes, sir. >> No, I don't have any idea on me. No. >> You don't? Why not? >> I don't I don't carry ID everywhere I go. >> But you should know you're supposed to, right? >> I'm supposed to carry ID everywhere I go? >> Yeah, you're supposed to. Yes. >> What law What law is that? >> Oh, you Do you know it's a 9/11? You know we have a right to ID anybody that's not >> No, that's wrong. You're wrong about that. That's not true. You need reasonable You need what's called reasonable articulable suspicion that I'm committing a crime >> Yeah. >> in order to lawfully demand ID from me. >> Mhm. >> And I don't have to carry ID. I mean, if I didn't have ID, then you can demand >> [music] >> name and date of birth. But again, you would need >> I'm not finna go back and forth with you. Like I'm >> So why come up to me in the beginning? >> Well, why are you walking through a public building just filming people? >> You said it right, Deputy. Public building. You said it right. >> All right. >> Don't be a tyrant, Deputy. He tried to take a picture of me. But the door is closed on him. He's asking me to smile, cuz I don't I'll smile for you. No big deal. >> When the ID issue could no longer hold up, the tension immediately shifted to filming inside a public building. And when the police chief appeared, instead of clarifying right and wrong, his attitude raised an even bigger question. Do those enforcing the law truly understand the law they claim to protect? >> Hi, ma'am. How are you? Good. >> How you doing today, Deputy? >> Good, and you? >> I'm doing well. I was just explaining to Deputy Kizzire over here >> Mhm. >> Um what I was doing. I'll take another picture. Go ahead. All you want. As many as you'd like. Would you Are you What's your name and badge number, sir? >> I don't I'm not going to talk. I'm not You don't have me. >> Are you a sher- Are you a sheriff? Are you the sheriff here? Well, that's not very professional, sir. So, it goes from the top down, huh? That's the sheriff. Is that where you learned how to be unprofessional? Is that where you learned, sir? >> You just one of them guys, right? >> One of the You could have identified yourself the same way anybody else. >> I'm just recording you just like you're recording [music] me. >> I mean, that's fine. You can do that all you want. >> care. >> You look childish. >> I'm a grown man. >> But, you look childish, though. According to me. Is that a personal phone or a work phone? >> What? Does it matter? >> Calm down. >> just addressed me as a I'm a grown man, okay? I'm not no child. Do I make myself clear? >> Did I say you were a child? >> Did Do I make myself clear? >> Did I say you were a child, Deputy? >> Acting like a >> Acting like a child. That's That's what I said. Correct. That's what I said. So, you're going to accuse me of something, let's make sure it's right. >> Yes. Okay. >> All right? I I see the the professionalism or lack thereof comes from the top down. That looked like the sheriff there. Cuz he was in the board He was in the meeting over there. So. You keep coming back and looking at me all you want. You don't intimidate me. Not even a little bit. Yeah, keep on recording me. Go ahead. That's your constitutional right, deputy. Let's record each other then. >> That's fine with me. >> Obviously not. >> paid I get paid to do this. >> Oh, you do? I'll find out how much. Cuz I rate >> you have a thing? >> Okay, more than I think. >> Before the legal questions could be clarified, the director's arrival shifted the pressure in a different direction. The camera was no longer treated as just annoying. It was beginning to be framed as a dangerous threat. >> So, what are you doing here today? >> Oh, no. I just wanted to know if you said you could if you asked me if I needed any help. So, I wanted to know who you are so maybe you could help me. I don't know. >> I got you. Okay. I see you're filming. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All >> That's for sure. >> Yeah, so yeah, I can help you though. I work for the local government here. >> You work for the local In what In what capacity? So, I can >> am I'm the director of environmental services. >> Okay. >> Parks and greenways. >> Okay. Um >> [music] >> see, I don't think there's anything you can help me out with. >> Okay. >> That's why I asked just for your you know, your title so I don't maybe could have been the director of law enforcement and then I could have >> Oh, no. No. >> I could have talked to you or something, you know. Could have been the chief. >> I'm the one in charge of law enforcement around here. >> Oh, okay. Just making sure. >> I just I saw you here filming something so I thought maybe you're looking for something. >> No, I'm just taking a little tour of the the county building here. I'm an independent journalist. I'm just gathering Yeah, I'm just gathering content for a story. That's all. >> Okay. I got you. What what website? Independent journalist? >> Oh, I don't want to disclose because I'm not done with the story yet. But if you want to give me an email, I can let you know to >> my position to you so why don't you disclose your position to me? >> I had Yeah, no. I I don't think it works that way. You're in public service, sir. And you asked I didn't come up to you saying, "Hey, can I help you with something, sir?" Right? >> Uh anytime anyone is in our building and if they're a citizen, then we want to we want to help them in any way that we >> Yeah, and I appreciate and I can totally appreciate that. >> Are you a citizen of DeSoto County? >> And I do appreciate that. I don't answer any questions as far as my personal life. I just don't do it. >> All right. But so, you can't answer my question if you're a citizen of DeSoto County? >> don't I don't answer any any questions. >> Okay. But I answered your questions. >> Well, again, two things. Again, you came up to me asking if I needed any help. >> Right. That's right. >> The second thing is you're in public service and I'm not. I'm an independent journalist. I like to keep my information private. That's all. Nothing nothing uh >> Well, I'm glad I'm glad I didn't do that to you. That that was kind of rude for you not to answer my question. >> I I did I I You told me what your job title was. I told you what my job title was. >> like to know are you a citizen of DeSoto County? >> I understand what you'd like. I I get that 100%. I do. I just don't >> you? >> Uh sir, I just told you I don't answer any uh private information questions at all. >> not private information. >> It is. It's my >> public knowledge? >> I mean, if it's public If it's public knowledge, then >> Like my name? >> you'll be able to get it. I didn't get your name, either. >> Uh yes, I I disclosed my name. >> Oh, I didn't catch it. >> Yeah, yeah, it's it's on it's on video there. Okay. So yeah. So So again, is there something I can help you with? >> No, no, no. Again, no. Again, I don't need any help with anything like I just told you. Um I'm an independent journalist just taking some pictures and video here of the county building. >> Okay. >> That's all. >> After the camera had just been framed as a threat, all eyes shifted to the area they called a public meeting. And right there, one question about transparency pushed their attitude even further beyond the limits of professionalism. >> No video inside the building. >> This is a public meeting, no? >> No, sir. No video. You can put the camera down or you can leave. >> So there's no >> You can put the camera down and you can leave. >> This is not a public meeting? >> Put the camera down and you can leave. >> Where's the transparency? >> Two choices. Put the camera down or leave. >> Where's the transparency? Interesting. Where's the transparency, Sheriff? Interesting. Thought it was a public meeting. >> All right. The board meeting is not open to the public. You do not have any reason to be in that board meeting. >> It says public meeting here. >> Let me see. >> Don't snatch from me. What do you think you're doing? Don't snatch them from me. What do you think you're doing? You grab your own copy, all right? What's wrong with you, man? You got a bad attitude. You don't deserve to wear the badge. You don't deserve it. This guy is This guy is a loose cannon right here. Kizzart over here is a loose cannon. Yeah, I know. You're a loose cannon, Kizzart. You know that? I'm glad I came here today, and I'm glad I got to expose you to the world. Glad. What a tyrant this guy is. Next time when somebody comes in here, you treat them with respect. You identify yourself. You hear me? Next time cut somebody comes in here and ask your name and badge number, you give it to them. You be cordial. You be perfect You be professional. You be professional. You learn the law. You learn the law. 9/11 didn't mean you could do whatever you wanted to do. Learn the law. Yeah, keep telling me to shut up. You're a class act. Class act you are. Because I'm trying to educate you. Trying to educate you. You can't You can't act the way you do. You can't You can't You can't treat You can't treat people You can't treat people however way you want, Kizzart. You can't do that. Your job is to be professional with the public, professional with the public. De-escalate the situation, not escalate it. Not not you know, record me like a little child and put your hand everywhere. Come on, man. You got to be better than that. >> The incident did not end in handcuffs, but it exposed one clear truth. Authority only deserves respect when it is used to protect people through the law, not to turn a citizen who knows his rights into a target of pressure. Next, what seemed like a normal visit suddenly came to a halt with one unexpected question. Do you have ID? And from that moment on, the focus was no longer just on the camera, but on the real reason behind that demand. >> Do you have any ID? Do you have any ID? >> Yeah, like any reason why you're here recording? That's pretty strange. Why would you walk up and ask somebody if they have ID randomly? >> Cuz I requested it, cuz we only know if you are here up for a job. >> I I don't mean this sarcastically. Are you okay? >> Uh yeah. Like I mean The people up front asked me to follow you down here. I mean, wearing sunglasses indoors, wearing your face mask, and you're just recording without any kind of like okay from earlier, which >> Yeah, we can get that in a second. Seriously, are you okay? That That was odd. >> What was odd? >> thing you did was very strange. >> What do you mean odd? >> You walk up to me and ask me for ID. >> Yeah, because I need to want to identify you to see if who you are. In case if something happens, we know who you are. This is precaution, man. >> You're Are you a police officer? >> No, I'm a security officer, but I'm requesting your ID. People up front asked you to see your ID as well. In case if you get to a case if you do something, we know who you are. Look, dude. Look at it from our point of view. A guy with sunglasses is walking inside with a full face mask with a camera hole hookup and just walks right in straight to the back. >> We just got done with 3 years of masks and now you're going to say something about it? >> Well, you can't just you can't just you can't just walk back here and record man without get up without permission. >> Come on up front with me. Justin's going to be here in a minute. >> Yeah, I'll I'm finishing my conversation with him. I appreciate it. >> Okay. >> So, that is bizarre man. >> What's bizarre? >> I mean I get these Think about it from my perspective. I'm honestly trying to do that right now. In no universe can I come to a rational end that leads me to believe that you walking up to me and asking for ID is a sensible thing to do. >> And a vacation you actually your name and if you work for a company that's actively recording here for something. I mean if something happens, oh who is that guy who came in? I don't know. Guy with the mask. If something happens, we need to know who it is. So Come on. >> I'll make it up to the front. >> Before the question about ID could even be clearly explained, what seemed like a normal request suddenly sparked a new confrontation. From there, the employee's irritation began to show turning a request for public records into a tense round of questioning. >> Yes. >> Hey man, I got a quick question. Can I get a blank public records request form? >> Black hat, dark glasses. >> Can I get a public records request form? >> Sorry, I couldn't hear you. >> Can I get a public records request form? >> Um I am >> Sir, you don't need to answer any of these questions. >> Um I am >> Sir, you don't need to answer any of these questions. The name Okay. Uh can Okay. >> Is that a records request form? >> Who is she's public records request or public records form? >> I don't know, man. I'm just a security here. >> Fair enough. Public agencies. >> Mhm. >> Governmental entities. >> private areas in public buildings for employees only you can't just walk into. >> Oh, yeah, absolutely. Clearly, you guys lock those doors. >> why were you trying to go back there without permission? >> I didn't go anywhere I can't go. >> No, but you tried opening and coming through the back there through the office complexes without permission. >> Yeah, cuz I thought perhaps that's where I would go to get a public records request form. >> You can't just walk back there. That's what the That's what the ladies here are for. They will help you with your problems. >> And she >> Sure. If I think that they can help me, I thought perhaps that's where I'd go for a public records request. >> You can't just go back there and grab it anyway. You have to get permission first. It's still a private area. >> Look, I can >> though the place is called Clark Public Utilities, this is still a private building. >> [music] >> You still can't just walk back there and get it from an employees only area. You still can't do >> Well, as much as I applaud your belief that I waltzed >> And you did just walk right through the door, ignore everyone, and just started walking back there with the camera. >> You're right. I did. >> But you are allowed to film in a public place. But you are allowed to film in a public place. But you are allowed to film in a public place, but not try to enter in a private area. You can't do that. >> You're walking it back the right way. You just need >> While the arguments in the lobby still had no clear ending, the arrival of police instantly changed the direction of the situation. What began as a simple administrative request suddenly pushed the cameraman to the edge of losing his freedom. >> It's right there. >> How's it going? >> Good morning, sir. >> What's up? >> So, they've asked you to leave. Are you going to leave on your own accord? If not, you're going to be placed under arrest. >> trespassing? >> Yes, you're being trespassed. You need to leave. >> And if I don't leave, I'll be arrested? >> Yes, 100%. >> You're not to come back here. If you come back here, your property will be subject to arrest. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> So, I can't get a public records request now? >> You can get one. >> I can get one now? >> Through the county? >> Okay. Uh one thing I'd like to ask, and I'll certainly walk out there. >> Yeah, I'm going. >> You're walking to your car and you're getting off property. >> I don't have a car. >> Okay. You're going to be off property. >> Yeah, that's fine. I need the no trespass warning. For the Okay, good. >> Yep, hang tight. I'll get that for you. >> Thanks. And I need it signed by whoever's trespassing me. >> it for you. All >> And can I get business cards from you guys? >> I don't have business card. >> You don't? >> Nope. >> What's your name and uh badge number? >> 4772 >> 4772, yours? >> Palomino 4984 >> What is it? >> Palomino 4984 >> All right. Wow. We'll get this squared away pretty quick. Uh 90.5280 doesn't require ID. >> I need to put it on the form. >> That statute doesn't require. Plus, I got to walk out. Are you telling me I can still be on for this? >> You need a trespassing notice, correct? You just asked for one? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But, are you Should I get off property and you'll meet me out there? >> I'll go with you. >> Let's just do that. >> When the arrest warning was made, the situation was no longer just an argument in the lobby. It had reached the edge of abuse of power. He did not yell. He did not resist. He simply stayed calm and made one request that suddenly put the officers in a difficult position. >> All right. Now, if you could tell me Oh, I did not get Palomino sir at all out of that. >> What What did you say? >> I mean, I thought you said like Palomino. >> I know I know it's a long name. I know it's a long name. Yeah, yeah, no problem. >> So, I said what's your badge number again? >> 4984 >> 4984. I didn't catch yours again. Page and >> 4772 >> 4772. Okay. >> So, are you going to give me a name to put on the trespass notice? >> have to give any. >> Okay. I I just want to I took a picture. If you show up again with your getup, I just want to make you aware that you're going to go to jail. That's >> Yeah, no, no, that's Now, you're going to get their signature. >> Yep. >> That's under penalty of perjury one, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah, oh, that's the one I like. It's my favorite. Perjury is uh kind of a tricky thing to run afoul of. Make sure you do your best just because you seem like a nice guy. >> I'm a very nice guy. >> You seem like a very nice Page. You seem like a fantastic human. >> All right. Hey, Clyde, man. >> Make sure they sign that. >> All right. >> And I'd let them know it's under penalty of perjury. >> You have a >> man. >> What's up, man? >> You seem like an unusually nice guy. Actually, he does not seem like a nice guy. But >> He's nice. >> I would like to make a polite request of you if I could. >> What's up? >> You >> and >> Page, I'm guessing, has experienced all this, so he definitely has rather. You guys are well familiar with 90.52.80 for trespass, right? You guys know that. Okay. They're not. We all know this. Title 80 of the Revised Codes of Washington goes over public utilities. That's a public agency. It's a public place. It's like going to the courthouse. >> Oh, I got you. >> It's like going to a police station. >> When a request for transparency was met with pressure, the story was no longer just about a piece of paper or a camera. It left behind a heavy question about how police authority [music] is used when the line of the law begins to bend. Citizens can [music] sue police under Section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may face compensation [music] payouts, disciplinary action, or even termination. When even a request for transparency can be turned into an excuse for pressure, society [music] must stay alert to any authority that forgets it exists to serve the people. So what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, [music] and consider supporting us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]