Okay, I'm asking you what I don't give a what you're asking. Oh, I'm asking for my magazine. That's what I'm doing. >> All right, bet that, [ __ ] Where's your ID? >> [ __ ] out of here. >> I am I'm not I have no real will, no real intent. I'm just taking photographs. I'm >> That way, we can at least let them know who you are. >> If I'm not being detained, you guys have a nice day. >> A request that seemed simple. A lawful refusal. And the situation quickly spiraled out of control. >> Let me get my [ __ ] magazine and be on my [ __ ] way. >> Your your question is, you want your magazine and you're on your way? an ID. >> What's your name and badge number? >> Roman 14712. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> So, I'm being detained. >> Yes. >> Don't Don't put your hands on me. Don't put your hands on me. >> When civil rights are tested in broad daylight and the price paid sends shock waves through public opinion. An afternoon that seemed peaceful outside the park until a man openly carrying a firearm caught the attention of police. The cameras were already rolling and within seconds, the tension became razor sharp. >> For what? Don't [ __ ] touch me, man. I don't consent to none of this, you [ __ ] prick. >> Okay. Well, you're on the You want to be recorded and be out of here? You want to be a show? >> [ __ ] show, [ __ ] >> Okay. It's not loaded. Okay. [ __ ] out of here. >> What are you doing? >> Have my magazine back >> in a second when we're done. >> No, we're done already. This isn't consensual. >> Can I have my [ __ ] magazine? >> Is consensual or not? Okay. I'm asking you what >> I don't give a [ __ ] what you're asking. I'm asking for my magazine. That's what I'm doing. >> All right. Bet that. >> Okay. >> Where's your ID? Where's your [ __ ] out of here? [ __ ] you. >> Okay. [ __ ] me. >> Let me get my [ __ ] magazine and be on my [ __ ] way. >> Your your question is you want your magazine and you're on your way. My answer is no. I'm not giving your magazine. >> Okay. Well, I'm going to stay here right here, [ __ ] Get your boss out here. Get your boss out here. >> Get your Yes, you do. A citizen is requesting your supervisor. Get him out here. >> I'm I'm requesting your driver's license, >> and I'm requesting you to go [ __ ] yourself until you my supervisor, my supervisor gets out here. doing that right now >> cuz you work for me, [ __ ] Remember that. >> No, I don't work for you. >> Taxpayer dollars, [ __ ] >> Who are you? I pay taxes, too. >> No, you don't. How can you pay taxes when you get paid taxes? That that that that's a [ __ ] That is oxymoron. [music] You cannot put back into a pot you've taken out of. You cannot put back into a pot you taken out. [music] That's like me taking $10 out of my bank account and putting $5 in saying that I've just saved five bucks. You [ __ ] punk. Give me my magazine and let me [ __ ] do what I'm doing. >> What's your name? >> My name is [ __ ] you. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, [ __ ] you. You got to shoot the >> Hey, he's crossing the street. >> That's not illegal. >> You got to shoot the riser all the way out. >> No. And [ __ ] to you. You stand over there. >> I want my magazine, [ __ ] That's what I want. >> You and your fat [ __ ] friend. >> Huh? >> I want my magazine back. You and your [ __ ] You and your fat [ __ ] friend. >> Give you anything back. >> You work for me, [ __ ] You do. You sure do. I do not figure that public servant. Public servant, right? Public servant, right? Public servant. Don't [ __ ] touch me. The confrontation had barely begun before it rapidly escalated. Physical contact followed. A magazine was taken and a heated debate over civil rights erupted in front of the camera. Repeated demands to speak with a supervisor only intensified the tension. Allegations of abuse of authority began surfacing openly. Would the situation be brought under control or was it about to spiral even further? >> I asked for a supervisor. Sir, >> raise your hand. >> I didn't raise my hand. I moved my glasses out of my head. >> Oh, so you can you can aggressively approach me, but I can't move my sunglasses. >> Aggressively approach you. How did I aggressively approach? >> You walked up and grabbed me and grabbed my magazine. >> You don't know who you are. >> You don't need to know, [ __ ] You know who you are. You don't need to know. >> Okay, >> [ __ ] >> Hey, come here. Without a crosswalk. >> You're not going to pull me into traffic. You're not going to pull me into traffic. >> I'm more than 100 ft from a crosswalk. >> Turn around. >> Oh, don't touch me. Don't touch me. >> Hey, don't [ __ ] grab me, [ __ ] You fat [ __ ] >> Take my camera. Take my camera, Jack. I'm not. >> Well, you're helping him violate my rights. So, yes, you are. >> Why you arresting me? >> You want to violate my rights with him? You're just as [ __ ] guilty. >> There's a crosswalk over 100 ft away. I don't have to. If it's over 100 ft, I don't have to use >> Yeah, these cops obviously don't know the law. Are they [ __ ] cops? >> They're law enforcement. Don't know how to enforce the law. A supervisor. >> I asked for a supervisor, but [ __ ] [ __ ] doesn't know what he's doing. I can't cross that crosswalk. You take him into a park and it's illegal to have this gun in a park. >> Want to put your your glasses? >> That's fine. I can't cross that crosswalk though. >> This is >> I asked for a supervisor. I asked for a supervisor five minutes ago, but [ __ ] [ __ ] right here ain't ain't [ __ ] got my request yet. And you wonder why I'm so aggravated? Look at me. Look at me. This [ __ ] put his hands on me. You did. You grabbed my [ __ ] arm and then grabbed my magazine. >> I did. >> Yeah, exactly. So, you just admitted it, [ __ ] for no reason. >> No [ __ ] reason. >> Do you know me? >> I do. You work for me, so that's all I need to know, [ __ ] Public servant. Recognize that? I can't cross that [ __ ] crosswalk, dick. >> Right there. >> [ __ ] >> So, what are you guys doing out here besides >> none of your [ __ ] business, dude? Can you get a supervisor out here? I'm not talking. May I talk to you? I'm not I'm not talking. Gentlemen, can you please get a supervisor out here? I'm going to be polite to y'all since y'all just walked up. >> This [ __ ] is helping aiding abetting this criminal and violating my civil rights right now. So, I got no respect for him till he corrects that activity. >> You don't look like you exercise very much. So, >> [ __ ] you, [ __ ] You [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] what you are a n can somebody get a supervisor can somebody please get a supervisor >> okay but he hasn't asked for >> at this point the argument was no longer just an exchange of words accusations of overreach were made directly while the officers stood firm in their position as both sides dug deeper into the law debating authority rights and the justification for the detention the confrontation turned into an intense legal standoff off. >> Hey, we recorded too. You're fine. >> Well, obviously not cuz every time y'all have approached me like this, none of the footage has ended up in court. None of y'all's footage. So, y'all obviously don't record. Okay, you know what? Correction, but you know what I'm saying? But that's my point. Every interaction I've had with officer, every interaction I've had with officer has never y'all's footage has never made it to court. Never. My footage is always what gets me off. My footage. >> I don't know anything about that. >> So, obviously you're out here with cameras. >> [ __ ] out of here, man. >> You know you know what you're doing. Like I like I said, you're doing it. >> You're doing it. >> You guys are causing alarm. You guys, >> you caused the alarm, Dick. There's no I'm not causing I'm walking responsibly. >> We had like 15 people. >> But but their ignorance doesn't trump my rights. Their ignorance doesn't trump my rights. >> I get it. But we got to show up, right? >> Okay. But he don't have to act the way he's been acting. >> Okay. I just got here. Like you grabbed me. I'm not even [ __ ] no more. I'm You just admitted you did. It's on camera, dick. I'm not [ __ ] with you anymore. He approached me. I went to walk away. He said, "Come here." So I stopped and turned around. Went to walk away again. He grabbed me by my arm, turned me around, and removed my magazine. I stood there for 5 minutes telling him, "Okay, here's the thing. When we get a call out here, like I said, we got like 15." >> But But that's what I'm saying. >> At that point, you're going to be detained. >> But y'all can't do that. >> But y'all can't legally do that. >> It's a disturbance. That's what >> Okay, but I haven't made a disturbance. Just cuz they don't know the law doesn't mean my rights get violated. Plain and simple. Just cuz Just cuz you're [ __ ] your dispatcher doesn't know how to ask appropriate questions doesn't mean my rights get violated. That's y'all's dispatcher's fault. >> You know what? I'm your biggest I I I I I >> Obviously not. Dude, you're violating my rights, dude. >> I have every right to I I told you I didn't want to answer your questions. You should have said all right and walked away. You should have said all right and walked You should have said all right and walked away. You should have said all right and walked away. You should have said all right and walked away. I you know being difficult and exercise my right seem to be the same thing to officers. Anytime a person seems to exercise their right is being difficult. I I didn't want to answer your questions. You should have seen I wasn't doing anything wrong and let me go. >> I can tell you probably all of us agreed. >> Then let me [ __ ] go. Then let me [ __ ] go. >> You don't need to tell me your name. >> I don't need to. That's the [ __ ] point. I don't need to cooperate to ease y'all's [ __ ] sense of mind. >> Well, you asked for a supervisor, right? >> I'm going when I get my magazine. I'll wait right there on the [ __ ] I'm going to I don't plan on leaving. >> Well, can I have my [ __ ] and get out of these cuffs like a crim? You got me looking like a criminal in front of these people. >> You got me looking like a [ __ ] criminal. >> So, I get to stand here and look like a criminal when it's you that are violating my >> The handcuffs were still on. Reasonable suspicion kept being repeated and the question, "What crime am I being detained for?" Still had no satisfactory answer. Then, just when everything seemed to have reached its peak, a new development began to unfold. With the situation finally deescalate, or was it about to enter an even more delicate phase? >> I You have my magazine. You checked my gun. So, what [ __ ] intentions can I have, dude? That's cop That's liberal cop logic right there, dude. That's liberal cop logic. I don't give a [ __ ] You requested us. >> I don't give a [ __ ] I'm done with you, dude. I'm done with you, dude. I'm done with you, dude. You are done with me. >> We're going to wait till supervisor like you requested. >> Robles 1384. I ain't going to ask you. Hey, Lopez, badge 9825. Uh, officer. >> Hey, what's his badge number? >> Sin Burger 872. >> And then badge number again without looking at it. >> Deep pain 1233. >> Deep pain. Is that a rapper? >> What's my badge number again? You don't know it. >> Off for show. You >> say it's off for show, but it it's funny how I'm the only one here that knows the [ __ ] law and my rights. >> You do. >> Then let me have my [ __ ] and be on my way. >> That's cuz you're a [ __ ] You don't know [ __ ] >> I'll be fing a complaint on you. Go ahead. Like I said, I'm not the one that's YouTube famous. You are now. You are. You busted, dude. We've been following you for two months, man. Is that right? >> That's right. >> [ __ ] [ __ ] >> You're Jason, man. [ __ ] >> Okay. Can I get somebody to at least [ __ ] Like said, I'm I'm aggravated now, boss. Cuz I'm look like a criminal in front of these [ __ ] citizens. >> I get it. But he's the one in charge right now. We got a supervisor coming out like you requested. >> Man, I'll ease down if y'all stop treating me like this, man. I really will. >> I get it. I get it. Super on the way. All right. But how would you feel, man? [ __ ] you. I got strangers looking at me like I'm a feel like I'm breaking the law. Like I'm doing wrong. You know what I'm saying? >> At the same time you're out here with the camera with the rifle. Looks like you were trying to drive. >> I I keep the camera on me when I carry even when I walk around. You can Yes, I'm with the camera. You can look on you. Just the other day coming home from work. I didn't have this camera. I have I walk around with a [ __ ] camera just in case I come across cops. I keep y'all on film. So just Yeah, I put this on so I wouldn't have nothing in my hands when you [ __ ] rolled up. That's why I keep this one. I carry I keep a camera on me at all times. You can look it up. This isn't a >> After minutes of intense tension, the atmosphere began to ease slightly. It seemed as though everything might quietly come to an end until the conversation unexpectedly shifted in a different direction, more personal and more direct. As both sides began discussing the past, their motives, and the reasons for being there, the story moved into a new and deeply sensitive chapter. >> Treat me like I'm a [ __ ] criminal, man. >> Treat me like a criminal. >> Well, why the [ __ ] am I in handcuffs? >> You're being detained. >> But for what? Exactly. For only criminals get detained. >> No, that's not true. investigating what's going on. >> Investigating a crime. What crime are you investigating? That's because there is no crime. That's not how it works. You have to have a crime before you can detain me. >> You know what? Like you mentioned to me is that the dispatcher didn't get information, right? >> That's her fault for not asking the right question. >> But but I can only go by what I'm being told. But but this okay, so they told us there's a a man with a gun that's suspicious and threatening, right? That may not be true when you rolled up. Hold on. That might not be true, right? But I have to come and investigate that. When you rolled up, did I look ready? >> For your safety and my safety, cops are cops are bad, right? You see your I hate cops. >> So, so, so for your safety and for my safety, you see my safety taken care of for for our safety. >> You didn't put me in handcuffs. I reached to take my glass sunglasses off of my head. >> Make sure that your your weapon wasn't loaded. Okay. I'm not saying I'm keeping your your magazine. >> Well, you did. You ain't giving it to me. >> Okay. Explain to me. Why am I being detained? [music] What crime have I committed? That's not how it works. In order court, Texas law says you have to suspect me of a crime, see me doing a crime, or have caught me committing a crime to [music] detain me. How how does this fall under any of that? Well, explain to me. You're telling me I'm detained. So, I'm asking you a question, officer. What am I being detained for? What crime? I when you you handcuff me, I'll relax. Like I told this off, you stop treating me like a criminal. You stop treating me like a criminal. I'll relax. Oh, so you know me, right? >> You know me, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You look how you treat me. I do know you. The only [ __ ] that's been actually polite and respectful is uh I I know I'm going to [ __ ] this up. Scholenburg, I'm sorry. [music] Socialenburg. >> I didn't know if it was a ch or ck like the C cuz sound. You know what I'm saying? Like I know what I'm doing is I know what I'm doing is like you said I do this. This is what I do. It was [music] I mean I'm not even here to get you. I'm here because that [ __ ] that happened with that rape. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to make a presence felt around here that hey, that sh ain't welcome. >> You know what I'm saying? How long you been doing this for, >> dude? I've been doing this for over a year and a half, dude. >> How'd you get into it? >> Dude, honestly, I saw some I honestly this came off YouTube. I saw some people walking around and getting violated, and I told myself, I'm a I'm perfect. Prime example to get violated. Look at me. I'm >> This was no longer just a routine check outside a park. It had become a confrontation over civil rights and the limits of authority. The cameras kept rolling, and one final question remained unanswered. Who truly crossed the line? Up next. The conversation quickly took a turn when police requested identification. But instead of complying, the man firmly objected, [music] invoking his constitutional rights. >> Hey, are you? >> No thanks. >> No, just getting pictures down that building. >> Oh, really? You going to put up a new one? Oh, >> so it's kind of historic then. Hey, how you doing? Good. >> How are you? >> I'm all right. What's going on? >> How much? >> How you doing? >> Taking pictures. >> Why? >> Uh, just taking pictures out in public. That's all. >> Huh? >> Just taking pictures out in public. Just happens to be all these cars coming. >> Yep. Just taking pictures on public. Just gathering information what public officials do on public property. information about what public officials do on public property. >> Yes, sir. >> Nothing better to do with your day. >> It's none of your business what I do in my day. Now, is it >> Sorry. >> So, it's none of your business what I do in my day. Now, is it? >> It is when you start doing stuff like this. >> Yeah. What's wrong with it? >> What's wrong with it? >> Well, could be construed as maybe gathering intel on a public or a government ill agency for purposes of an attack or something like that. I don't know. >> That's right. You don't know. >> I'm standing on a public sidewalk taking pictures. What about it? >> It's public sidewalk. Exactly that. You need to keep walking. >> I'm not blocking the sidewalk. It's a public. >> When the request for identification was refused, the atmosphere grew more tense than ever. Then unexpectedly, the situation shifted into a new phase. What began as questioning started showing signs of escalation. Was this merely a routine check or was a more forceful move about to unfold? >> Just cuz I'm taking pictures, you're going to tell me to move along? Is that is that what you're telling me? >> Are you trespassing me from a public sidewalk? No, >> I'm not trespassing you from a public sidewalk. >> So, if you're on a public sidewalk, you have to be continuously in motion. Is there a statute that says that you have to be >> city order says you can't block the sidewalk? >> I'm not blocking the sidewalk. You can see people can clearly move past. Look, I'm out in public taking photographs. And beyond that, it's none of your business what I'm doing. >> Did you say it's none of our business? >> Yeah. >> So, we can so we can resolve this really quickly. Do you have any kind of ID or anything like that? You want to make sure you're not out. You're trying to >> Okay. Thank you. >> I am I'm not I have no ill will, no ill intent. I'm just taking photographs. I'm >> Okay. >> I'm working on a story and beyond that I'd rather not tell you anything else because >> here's the thing. Do you just have some ID so that way I can let you? >> I don't have any ID. No. >> Okay. >> So that way we can at least let them know we won't. >> If I'm not being detained, you guys have a nice day. >> Come here. >> Am I being detained? >> Yes, you are right now. Come here. >> For what reason? >> Come here. >> I don't consent to, sir. I don't consent. >> Making sure you don't have any weapons. That's all. >> So I'm being detained for what reason? He's blocking the sidewalk. He asked you for an ID. >> What's your name and badge number? >> Roman 14712. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, I'm being in the town. >> Don't Don't put your hands on me. Don't put your hands on me. >> Just don't turn towards me. That's all. >> You already patted me down. You see I don't have any weapons. I told you. >> ID or anything like that? >> I'm standing on a public sidewalk in public taking photographs having information about what public officials do on public property. Specifically, I'm recording matters of public interest. Is this illegal or not? >> Here's the thing. >> Is what I'm doing illegal? [clears throat] >> I see it explained. Okay. It can be construed, >> is it illegal or not? Is standing in a public sidewalk illegal or not? If it's not, I'm I'm I'm going to be on >> continue to be out here. At least we can let them know, hey, this is who we talked to. This is his name. >> He's out here. Here's what he's doing. So, if we keep getting calls about someone out here, we can already say, hey, >> okay, go ahead and tell them that I'm out here. I'm a journalist gathering content for a story. >> I just need your name. That's all I'm asking for about that. Your name and your name. >> It's none of your business what my name is. I'm not doing anything illegal. >> Okay? >> If I don't give you my name, what's going to happen? I'm not refusing. >> Here's the thing. just make it easy for all of us. We'll get your name. We're going to make sure you're not someone that's out here trying to kill us. And >> at this point, the dialogue had turned into a tense legal showdown. One side repeatedly demanded identification for verification while the other firmly insisted he had done nothing wrong. And then it didn't stop at words. Would the next move be clarification or something far more forceful? >> We can already say, "Hey, listen. Is it so and so? Is this what he's wearing? Yes, this is who we already talked to. We have his name. He's okay." But until we can clear and say, "Hey, that you're not someone out here trying to hurt us." >> Do you have reasonable articulable suspicion that I'm trying to hurt you? I'm not trying to hurt you guys. >> Know who you are. I know who you are. I know that you're not someone that's got a long history of shooting at cops or shooting at people and carrying guns. We don't know who you are. >> Look, I'm standing on a public sidewalk just like everybody else out here is. >> But I'm just taking photographs of you guys. I'm working on a story. I'm a journalist. I'm working on a story. And beyond that, I don't feel like I need to give you any any identification. But I I mean, I'm not refusing. You've already said I'm being detained for nothing illegal. >> I'm just asking you for your name. Let's hurry up and get this taken care of. I just need your name or >> Am I free to go? >> You have to ask him. >> Am I free to go? >> If I'm free to go, I'm I'm I'm going to disengage this. I don't want to be arrested. I'm not doing anything illegal. >> What journalist were you a journalist for? >> See, that's thing. It's an investigative story. I don't want to tip my hand who I work for or who I am. But see, you have to understand that this is suspicious to us. If you don't >> suspicious to you guys, but >> I'm not going to go around and say, "Hey, you know, so and so from so and so is out here and he is uh, you know, doing this and that." You know, we have to make sure that we and other people out here are safe, too. >> I understand. So, let everybody know that I'm just taking pictures out in public. >> Okay. And I have no name so I can let them know that you're out here so that we don't have to keep coming out here for this constant problem. >> Well, just if I'm not He's already said I'm not doing anything illegal. You guys say it's suspicious activity, but what I'm doing is just >> when you say a journalist, >> it's constitutionally protected. First, >> when you say a journalist, >> are you for a newspaper, a news agency? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> You said yes to both. Are you a journalist for like a newspaper or a news agency? >> News news agency. >> Okay. Is it local or federal? >> It's It's out of Miami. >> Out of Miami. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> They told you to come over here and do a story on the Orlando Police Department. It's >> out of Miami. Neither side was willing to back down. One insisted they were simply carrying out their duty, while the other maintained he was exercising rights protected by the Constitution. And just when it seemed the situation might end with nothing more than a heated debate, an unexpected development unfolded. Was this the conclusion or merely the beginning of another escalation? >> I understand that what I'm doing is constitutionally protected activity. >> Okay. But there's also things called loitering, prowling, things of that nature that we have. Okay? >> We're trying to figure out if you're here to either harm us or other people. If you're out here to do something that's constantly >> Sorry, [clears throat] I'm losing my voice. >> That's all right. >> If you're out here doing something that's constitutionally protected, okay, that's fine. And I along with everyone else here have no desire to interfere with that. But until we actually can say yes that this is someone that's out here doing something constitutionally protected. >> That's why I'm just asking for your name to make sure that you're not someone that has a history of hurting people. >> Okay. Well, let's let's cut to the chase. If if I don't give you my name, what will happen? >> We will continue from that point there. >> Will you arrest me if I don't give you my money? You've already >> answer any of those questions right now. I'm just asking you for your name. >> You have to understand what you're doing is considered suspicious. taking pictures of law enforcement officers, the facility that we work at, being in the time and place where we are. >> Okay. >> What do you mean by that? >> Normal people don't do things like that. If you're doing a >> I'm a journalist. I'm not a normal person. >> Okay. I understand that. That's how we confirm that who you are. And then we let people know, hey, if this person calls or someone's calling telling us this and that, hey, what's this person? Hey, I already checked out with him. So and so he's working on a story. It's okay. We don't have to come back out. >> Am I still being detained or am I free to go? >> Just talking to you. I I don't I don't care. I want to be if I'm free to go, I'm going to walk away. >> He's talking to you. >> I didn't ask you if he was talking to me. I know he's talking to me. I want to know if I'm free to go. >> I don't want to talk to him. I want to be free to go. I'd like to remain silent at this point. I'll tell you my name if you guys are going to arrest me. If you're not going to arrest me, I'm I'm walking away. >> You identify yourself through your immediate credentials when you identify yourself as journalist. >> No. >> No. >> You No. It's one thing to take pictures of us and videotape us when we're out doing our job on the street and talking to people and making contact totally different. >> Let me let me ask let me ask you guys this. >> You're trying to gather what looks like you're trying to gather intel on stuff. >> Yeah, I'm gathering information about what you guys are doing. >> Okay. >> On public property. >> Okay. >> That's exactly what I'm doing. >> Going >> are you guys are you guys uh required to wear seat belts? >> Are we what? >> Required to wear seat belts. >> We have a policy area. >> Okay. That's all I want to know. I'd like to be free to go. >> I'm free. >> All right. Thank you. >> With everything fully captured on camera, this story may not end with a sidewalk encounter. It could continue in the courtroom. Citizens who believe their rights were violated may file a lawsuit [music] under section 1983. And if misconduct is proven, officers could face financial [music] liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. A just society is not built on fear, but on trust. [music] And trust can only exist when power is guided by ethics, bound by the law, and held accountable through public oversight. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, [music] subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much.