Well, there's certain secure areas that you're not supposed to have access to and if you go behind and actually look at the security cameras, then you're accessing those areas. You guys close at 4:00? >> is and you can't go downstairs, that's law enforcement only. I don't know what time What time the family court closes? Uh 4:00. Orders that once seemed legitimate suddenly become the center of controversy and the consequences may not stop in front of the camera. Uh but for our safety here, we just want to check and see who you are and what you're doing here right now. Can't go in there? Why can't You don't have an appointment and the building is closed. I just told you the building is closed. Don't close the door on my hand. >> Please exit the building. When citizens understand the law more than expected, every command comes under scrutiny and this time the consequences could go far beyond a brief argument. Right after the seemingly calm opening moments, the atmosphere inside the building began to shift. What started as a few casual questions gradually turned into warnings about security areas and rules that no one clearly explained. Talking to me? Yeah. Okay, I can't hear nothing you're saying. Huh? No, I don't need any help. I'm just Well, actually, yeah, I do. Where's the Is there a restroom close to you? Yeah, the restrooms are there. Okay, perfect. It's all the way down there? Okay, cool. I heard him down there. There we go, he's going to record the building. Oh, oh, oh. What was that? Excuse me, what are you doing? Oh, just what you see is what you get, man. Just taking pictures. How you doing? I'm good. Awesome. Just saying that you just came off the street. I know it's a public building. I get it, but I'm just like what were you doing? That was all. Okay, just what Taking pictures. Interesting. Excuse me, sir. Can we help you or with the building? We just wanted to understand. No? Okay. What were you filming here by the desk? Um just a little of everything. Oh, okay. For your own personal? Yeah, what was your name? And what's your [music] position here? What do you do? I'm the building manager. The building manager, okay. What about you, sir? Uh I'm assistant building manager. Oh, awesome. Yeah. So, yeah, just taking pictures. Oh, okay. You're just That's it. Yeah, for now. >> Oh, okay. Is there a future Is there a next step? I thought I thought I heard you were interviewing and so I There's like a whole media thing that we have to go through like if >> Uh I haven't I haven't spoken to anybody. >> Oh, okay. So, maybe that was the incorrect Okay, so you just were filming. Yep, just taking pictures. Okay, okay. Cool. It seemed like the exchange would end with a few gentle reminders, but in reality, it was far more complicated. As staff began citing their own internal rules, the tension grew and that's when the situation shifted into a completely different turn. Why Why is Why is that? That's the security cameras. You can't be filming the cameras. I'm in the building. It's cool that you film in the lobby and on the floors. Can't film the computer right there. This is the public area. This is private area. >> public This is Well, I'm not back there. No, this is security. No, I understand it's security, but I'm not back there. Even Even right here, you shouldn't be right here cuz this right here is This is only for employees here, yeah. You have to step out, please. Let me see here. Uh what is this Only employees are allowed, please step out here. No, it doesn't say that. It says city IDs must be visible upon entry. >> have a city ID. You're not a city employee. So, where do the Where does the public go? Okay, all right, there you go. Here you go. So, where does the public go up at? Where do they go up at? For the offices? Hm? For the offices, where does the public go up to the offices? Yeah, you you wouldn't be able to go up there filming. So, but what's up there? Is it Does the public go up there? That's what I'm asking. Where does the public go up to these offices? They would be able to go up there and when they're taking care of their business. But uh Yeah, cuz there's like a public health desk or whatever up there, yeah. Correct. So, why wouldn't I specifically be able to go up >> If you're here for business, yes, or you asking questions or anything, that'd >> here for I'm here for business. >> But you wouldn't be able to go in there with your cameras and filming the people. Uh I'm I'm here for other business here. You're assuming, right? You're making an assumption. So, I have other things to do. >> That is an assumption. Right. Based off of you coming in here with your cameras and recording, which was fine. And I I told you down there. I asked you and I said, "Oh, that's fine." And I walked away. Right. So, why is it an issue now? We were just checking to see what just what you were doing. No, but I'm saying why is it an issue now? Why Why am I being Well, I'm talking to him, brother. Why am I being told I can't film in here when I can I can I can see it, right? I can film anything I can see. >> Yeah, it's true. You know, but So, everybody's getting excited and yelling We don't need to do that. >> you not to yell. As the elevator doors became the focal point of the tension, the back-and-forth exchanges began to push the situation to a higher level. And then, just when no one expected it, the arrival of law enforcement completely changed the atmosphere. You can't go up there. What? So, I kind of have to go back on what I said a little bit. You can't You can't go up. Why is that? It's You can't go up. There's stuff up the stairs. Why Why would I not be allowed to go up? People don't like filming trouble there. Listen. Why would I not be allowed to go up? Like I said, there's stuff going on up there that So, So, again, is there a permit center and a help desk and records management? Yeah. Cuz I have business with these people. So, the public goes up there, we've established that. They go up there and do business there where we have a right to go up there and do business. You're saying specifically I can't cuz I have a camera? Can't be camera on that. There's stuff Cuz I have a camera. Awesome. So, just a just a little pre-game for you, right? Do you realize right now I'd be able to walk out of here and put your name on a lawsuit cuz you just said because of my I could. Cuz of my first amendment right, I can't get access to a public area. So, why are you saying it then if it's not true? Well, as you can see It's the way the law works. I understand they tell you to do it and I actually feel for you guys cuz you guys don't know the laws like we do, right? And you get told to do certain things that are contrary to to what that actually is and you're you know, you think you're doing your job or whatever and they kind of put you in a [ __ ] spot. Do you know what I'm saying? So, I actually feel for you a little bit, but um at the same time you still got to these people, you, everybody still has to abide by what the laws are, you know what I mean? >> Yeah, I understand that. I already kind of knew like when you came in. I wasn't really tripping too much. Like I said, it's a public building, you know. Right. >> I was just saying like what you were doing, that's why I asked questions. I was being respectful about it. Yeah, yeah. You've been respectful, professional, I agree. Except saying I can't go to these places, which I can. So, I I I got to go I got to go ahead and and hop up and and handle my business cuz I can't I obviously can't get the request of records that I need down here, you know what I mean? So. It seemed like everything would stop at a simple exchange of explanations, but what followed made the situation far more unpredictable. As law enforcement became more deeply involved, every question and every answer carried legal weight. All right. Hey, what do you guys want? Well, we just got a call that you're recording right now, but we just got a call regarding going behind the desk and recording some of the security cameras. Oh, awesome. You really are not supposed to do. Oh, really? Yeah. Why is that? I didn't know that. Well, there's certain secure areas that you're not supposed to have access to and if you go behind and actually look at the security cameras, then you're accessing those areas. Uh visually. Oh, okay. >> if you're recording it, then you're recording it onto your device as well. Right now when we talked to them initially, all they said for now is that you're still allowed to move into the public areas where we are. Uh but for our safety here, we just want to check and see who you are and what you're doing here right now. Oh, okay. If you just give us that information, do you have any ID or anything like that? >> Yeah, I don't know anything about that. Um Uh so, you're saying you can't go back behind the desk? >> Well, there's secure areas where you're not supposed to go and that's one of them. You're allowed in public areas to video and do what you're doing right now, which is fine. But right now because you did that, we'd like to see your ID so that we can verify Where'd the other guy go? Oh, there he is. Oh, it's this guy. Oh, awesome. The security guards, they told us everything, so we talked to them for a while. Well, I don't know too much about how that works, so do I [clears throat] have to show you my ID or Yeah, cuz I'm asking. We actually got called here for something. There's a security concern, so we just have to check that. Okay? Okay. So, I have to show you my ID under the law. Do you know what law that is or What law that is? Well, this Yeah, I'm asking. I don't know much about how it works, so I'm just asking. That That part I don't know much about it. Okay. So, So, you walked behind an unauthorized area, okay, which is a place where Did you see me Did you see me do that? We have multiple security guards who have advised us that and they've been tracking you on their video devices, so they've positively identified you who was behind the desk filming the video camera monitors. >> Awesome. But But you didn't see You didn't see You're going based off of what you were told. Yes, they pointed you out. Cuz you're saying it as if it's a fact or definitive. >> No, no, they pointed you out. And I'm Well, I'm saying did you see it? Right? Cuz what he just said is you did this and so this is what we're doing. And so I'm asking, did you see that? That's That was the question, right? >> So, to clarify what the deputy just said, Uh-huh. multiple security guards have identified you through the video recordings and also positively identified you through your actions right now as the individual who went behind the security desk and videotaped the security After the intense exchange that just took place, the atmosphere seemed to calm down. But in reality, the most important questions were still unanswered. As both sides began to dig deeper into the rules and their differing interpretations of authority inside a public building. The conversation gradually shifted into more sensitive territory. I'm sorry. Come here. I should be I think I've been cooperating with you guys, haven't I? Okay, yes, you have. So, we're asking for ID, okay, cuz you are detained. >> And I'm asking what law You were on an in an unauthorized area. >> Actually, I wasn't and I have it on camera. I've been recording. I did not walk behind. I was on the outside and I can see just like I can see these computers. I can stand on the outside. >> So, you're saying you're telling me that you're on the side I was on the outside and never went behind the desk. >> Is that something that you could show us? >> I don't need to show you. What What do you What do you What do you need What do you need an ID for? >> Okay, then You guys also have to know the law. >> Detained for what crime? So, you're identified to be behind the desk filming the cameras, which is an staff employees >> anything I can see in a public place. Not if you walk Not if you walk behind for an area where the staff is only allowed. >> still film. I still have a First Amendment right to film. >> You can't film if you're on the side. >> Now, if I can't be in that area and they say, "Hey, can you get out Look at that area?" I didn't go into the area, but if they say, "Hey, can you move out of that area?" and I move, there's still no crime. So, we'll verify that. >> to know. So, you're just have to be There has to be a sign up that says you can't pass this. Don't pass it. And you have to know. >> So, like Yeah, that's like I said, that's okay. You're just walking behind on the side like right here and you Yeah, I can be on the side all day. But what they were saying is you walked behind them. >> your name and badge number, by the way? It's Deputy Woo, star number 2332. >> What about you? I'm DeLong, 2142. All right. What's your name What's your name and badge number? I'm an easy one. I'm the Sheriff of San Francisco. My name is Paul Miyamoto. My star number is number one. And And you think that if you have reasonable suspicion of a crime, somebody has to provide their Hold on, I'm asking a question. You think if somebody has If you have reasonable suspicion of a crime, somebody actually has to provide their ID to you? That's what you think? >> So, there's an additional situation here and that's the safety and security of the building right now. The initial information that was given to us by the security staff was that you were behind the counter It doesn't Even if I was looking through everything. What I'm asking, say say you have reasonable suspicion, you still think you can ask for some You can demand an ID? >> Actually You can ask all day. You can't demand it like you were. >> consensual encounter. I understand what you're saying. >> Even though Even if I'm being detained. >> So, I appreciate that. I appreciate I appreciate >> here with an ID. And that's Real fun. Okay. Yeah. There were no handcuffs or physical confrontations. But the questions about authority, responsibility, and how the situation was handled remain unresolved. The story may not end here because what was captured today could resurface in the steps that follow. Up next, just moments after stepping into the Justice Building, the cameraman was stopped right at the entrance. A seemingly simple question suddenly turned the atmosphere tense and the first thing they focused on wasn't why he was there, but the camera in his hand. Pistol permit office down here. We are immediately greeted with our friendly reminder that the government is always recording us even though it always seems to be an issue when we the people record our government. Sorry, ma'am. What did you say? What? What did you say? I'm sorry. I said, "Can I help you?" No, ma'am. I'm okay. Thank you. I appreciate it, though. Thank you. >> anybody. Seeing who? >> This is probation. No, I understand. I saw the sign outside. Okay, so you're not here to see anybody is what I'm saying. Not in particular, no. Okay. That's it. Thank you. Yep. Restitution window here. Some more public notices. Hey, how are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing well. Thank you. >> something or Yeah. Okay. For any particular purpose or No, just my purposes. None particular. Thanks. I'm not waiting for anybody. I Who are you, ma'am? Are you a probation officer? >> Yeah, so I'm just wondering, are you waiting for a probation officer? >> No, ma'am. No, I'm not waiting for a probation officer. Thank you, though. No, I'm not. Okay. Thank you. Be advised that conversations in this waiting area are monitored. So, nothing much more to see over here in the probation department. Let's take a look at some other offices here. Over here we have the pistol permit office and records department. Hey, how are you? Just a quick question for you. If I wanted to do a I know it says pistol permits, but also said records. If I wanted to do like a records request for the sheriff's department, that would be here as well? Can I get a form? Thank you. Yeah, I'm going to take it with me. Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thanks for the information. Looks like they closed the door as we left to the probation department. Family court over here. As the cameraman's identity started to be recognized, the atmosphere immediately changed. More tense, more cautious. And then, just a few steps later, an unexpected announcement that the building was closed would suddenly shift the entire situation. How are you guys doing? How you doing, sir? >> You're videotaping, are you? Yeah, I'm recording. Are you Sean? Who are you, sir? Who are you? Does it matter why? Of course it does. I'm here and I'm just asking you. You want to know me, what's Right. No, but I recognize the voice. Oh, okay. Got you. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Yeah, just taking out some departments here, that's all. That's it. Came all this way from uh From where? Where am I from? Yeah, you know, probably downstate. [music] Where? Let's see. I'll tell you if you get it right. >> Long Island? >> Long Island. >> [laughter] >> So, you know why I'm Who are you, sir? Just so I know who I talk to. You got it. You got it. You got it. Cavalieri? Cavalieri. Okay. That's fine. >> to read by now, right? I'm sure, yeah. Just professional to identify, that's all. You guys good? Yeah, we're fine. Thank All right. How you doing, sir? How you doing? Good. How are you? I think all businesses are getting ready to close for the day, so >> Oh, is it clearing out the building? It's close What time is it? What time is it right now? It's 4:05. Okay, you guys close at 4:00? >> You guys close at 4:00? Probation is and you can't go downstairs. That's law enforcement only. I don't know what time What time family court close? Uh it's 4:00. 4:00. 4:00. So, they're So, yep. So, the building's closed? It closes at 4:00? Yep. Okay. But there's somebody still in probation. If they have an appointment ahead of time, that's different. Okay, got you. Got you. So, I just wanted to see what I don't know what else offices there are over here. Well, but the building's closed, so it's just the sheriff's office. Down there is the courts. Yeah, so the sheriff is waiting. What? Why can't I go there? >> an appointment and the building is closed. >> So, don't close the door. Don't close the door on my hand, please. I'd like to speak to make an appointment to speak with the sheriff. You can call and do that when they're regular business hours, 8:00 to 4:00. >> This is regular business hours. 4:00 is when they're open. That's what I'm telling Okay. So, if I look online and it says that's not 4:00. I'm telling you 8:00 to 4:00 is their business hours that you can make an appointment. You can go right back out this exit, sir. All right. Well, this These office I'm just checking out this is >> Those are courtrooms. These are courtrooms over here? >> Yes. That is courtrooms. [music] So, it's not open to the public. No, the only place you would be open to when you come in here to the public After that exchange, it seemed like the story had come to an end when the cameraman agreed to leave the interior area. But what happened next only made things more confusing. As he stepped outside, a series of unexpected actions began to unfold. All right. All right, no problem. I'll be back tomorrow morning. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it. Oh, sorry. That's okay. No problem. All right. Have a good day for me. >> Thanks, you too. Take care. Apparently, we came 4:00 when they close. We'll have to check that out. Looks like we have a deputy just hanging out in his car here. Hey, how are you guys doing? Good. You? Good. What's going on? Going out to our assignment. Yeah, have a good day. Yeah, you as well. Stay safe out there, guys. No problem. Hi, can I get your name? I'm Rich. Rich Sean. Nice to meet you, Rich. >> Nice to meet you. I'll be around tomorrow. All right, sounds good. So, right next to door to the Justice Building here is the correctional facility, the county correctional facility. So, on the fence on the side of the correctional facility, it says, "Notice. No loitering. Talking to inmates is prohibited. Violators subject to arrest under PL Penal Law 140.05." That law is for trespassing. So, again, has nothing to do with talking to inmates. They like to put laws cite to laws that have nothing to do with anything. See if we can get some information from the county jail here. Public entrance. It's up top here. Hey, I was just wondering if I can get a visiting schedule. Okay, do you have to be on a sort of a list or anything like that? Perfect. Thank you, sir. The atmosphere outside seemed to calm down and the conversations felt more normal, no longer as tense as before. As the cameraman continued looking around, a small detail suddenly caught his attention and from that moment, new suspicions began to emerge. I I know what they're doing. What are you guys looking for? Just doing a sweep. Oh, okay. Just doing a sweep. They're sweeping the outside of the Justice Center here because I walked around the building. They want to make sure I haven't planted any bombs or explosive devices. The encounter came to a quick end, but the question still remain. The cameraman believes he was asked to leave too early, and this story may not be over yet. Citizens may file [music] a Section 1983 lawsuit when their rights are violated. Officers found in violation could face compensation claims, disciplinary action, or even termination. Society becomes safer and more civilized when both sides choose to act with respect and understanding. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]