What up, dude? I'm not telling you how to do your job. No, I Well, I mean, I guess if this I guess if this is your first time with it, I guess I am. Do you have a driver's license or register or not registration, my apologies, an ID card? Okay, I'm just going to collect your information. When police demand ID without legal grounds, the [music] issue is no longer about cooperation. It's about who is truly standing above the law. Am I being detained? Sir, you're being detained right now just for trying to figure out what's going on here. What's going to happen to me if I don't give you my document? >> I have to I have to show I have to know who you are so I can trespass you if required. Abuse of power is not playing it safe. It's a mistake that can end a career and leave a permanent stain on the entire profession. Just minutes after the initial contact, the conversation The law is brought up, but not everyone is willing to accept it. And from that moment on, what seemed like simple questions spark a chain of tension no one could predict. What up, dude? I'm living that dream, man. Living that dream. Nice to meet you. Just going fishing. All right. I see you got some weapons on you. Yes, sir. All right, you got ID on you? Just for it's not a not an open carry state, man. Oh, man. They They They haven't taught you the law yet? Well, we'll we'll figure it out here, but yes, we >> Look up. Look up. I'm not going to grab my gun. Look up. Are you ready? You might need a pen for this. Look up the law. Can you give me ID real quick, man? No. Right now, under 790.25 section 3 subsection 8, it is lawful for me to go while I'm fishing, hunting, or camping, and I can openly carry. How you doing? Hi. How are you doing? I was on my way to fishing. I was just fishing over here, and then there's another little park right over here, right? There's a little pond and So, I was going to go fish I went fishing there. Now, I'm going to go fishing there and Do you know the same law that allows you to openly carry your firearm is the same statute that allows me I know. I was going fishing. What do you want to do or just All right, let let the guy You obviously If you know the law, then what's the problem? What's the problem? I'm not Listen, I'm I do this across the state of Florida. I don't push boundaries. That's why I'm proving what I'm doing is lawful. When the law is clearly laid out, it seems like everything should end there. But instead of cooling down, the atmosphere tightens in a different way. >> [music] >> And soon, the pressure no longer comes from the questions, but from how the encounter is deliberately prolonged. I'm not Now Now Now, this intimidation factor just went up. It's like, come on, guys. I'm not trying to make No, I'm just going fishing, dude. What The point I'm trying to make is I'm going fishing. You know what I mean? How many here know about the law about 790.25 section 3 subsection 8? Raise your hand. You're shaking your head. Um is that Guzman? You understand the law, right? Am I free to go or am I free to stay? For what? We're He's nodding and telling you about the law. The same law that allows everyone here to openly carry their firearms is the same law that allows me to openly carry my firearms. So, where's the issue? Where's the issue? I don't want to talk to you. I just want to go There's a fishing pond right over here. That's where I'm going. If you want to meet me there cuz I'm breaking the law, then come meet me. But can I go about my day? Yes, sir. So can I Am I free? I'm not free. I'm sorry. I know I told you my name. What was your name? Mike. Mike >> Mike, I'm Sabrina. Nice to meet you. Do you have a driver's license or regis- or not registration, my apologies. An ID card? >> No. Okay, I'm just going to collect your information. Uh for what crime? 901 151. You're actually opening opening your >> I understand which which is completely lawful. All right, Mike, what Is it Michael or is it Mike? Get your Get your sergeant, whoever. >> Not a problem. 1412 211 I don't want to do you're being arrested. You guys swore an oath to defend this. What was your name and badge number, sir? W. Montes, Thank you. Your name, sir? Hernandez, Sabrina, you're I We Thank you. Your Your name, sir? Officer Anderson, 261. All right. Hey um Hey guys. Um no ill will. I'm not here to hurt nobody. Hey guys, just so I I gather everybody's information. What was your name and badge number, sir? Hey Guzman, your badge number? Just when everything seems clear enough, the tension doesn't stop. Questions keep being asked, but the answers grow increasingly evasive. And in the next moment, a single reason is given. One that forces many to rethink the entire situation. Well, Mike, adverse fact, okay? Uh-huh. People called in. I get it. I get it. I get it. Right. Okay? I get Well, no. It got It got real serious when when all these people started coming up on me. And I'm like, "Look, I'm Look. Look. Right here. This How much more patriotic do I have to get? Just because I'm carrying You Okay. Okay. That's fine. You don't need to know The federal government The federal government has proven that my constitutional rights, until I've broken the law, you can't ask me for anything. 901-151. You know what 901-151 is? It's It's going to be the Have I been suspected of a crime? Have I committed a crime? Or about to commit a crime. I just I literally been here for 10-15 minutes. I was fishing over here for 15-20 minutes. And then I was like, "Hey, there's a little pond right over here on up on the right-hand side." Correct? And if I'm not wrong, then that's all I was doing. I was just walk to that next pond. A reason is given that sounds reasonable at first, but the closer you listen, the more questions emerge. And just when it seems like everything should stop there, what happens next opens the door to an even more puzzling situation. Okay. Dude, You can't Please call I want your sergeant and I want you to And I want you to get your state attorney on this. And if they want to pro- if they want to prosecute a guy that is clearly telling you that he's going fishing and has been fishing because I have video of me fishing directly over there. And then I'm telling you I'm going to fishing to a pond that you are sitting there nodding to that is right down here. So, where what law have I broken? What law have I broken? I'm sorry, man. What was your name? Uh Officer what? Sergeant? And badge number? Thank you so much. You're very respectful. Thank you. Appreciate that. It feels like everything has reached its conclusion, but in reality, it hasn't. The moments that follow are no longer about the law on paper, but about how it's applied in the real world. And it's right here that the full picture finally begins to emerge. I'm not telling you how to do your job. No, well, I mean, I guess if this I guess if this is your first time with it, I guess I am teaching, but I'm not I I was fishing over here about before they stopped me from in 10 minutes ago, but I was fishing there for about 15-20 minutes, and there's a pond just up here to the right-hand side I was walking back to. So, if it says no fishing, I'll just turn around and go back to fishing. I just I'm I look at a Google Map, and I'm looking, "Oh, there's a body of water. I'm going to go to that body of water." And the second I see no fishing, I turn my butt around because the second I engage in fishing, we're All right, I'm going to go fishing right over here. I'm going to go I'm going to go because you're telling me there's possibly no fishing sign, and I don't know that. I'm not telling you I'm going to go right over here, and if you want to come see me, I'll be right over I'm I'm not I'm going to be here for maybe like 30-40 an hour at most. It's hot. It's humid. It's nasty out today. I've said nothing but hi to people, you know? Like, I'm a friendly guy. Just cuz I have a gun, that's what scares people, you know? And guess what? I get it. And like we could have like we didn't have to sit here for the last 15 minutes talking about the roundabout of me going fishing. So, other than that, am I free Am I free to go or am I free to stay? See you later. If if if there's an issue, if there's some kind of issue that transpires and you need to come talk to me, I'll be over I don't need him unless there's another issue. All right. See you later. The arguments gradually fade, but the questions remain. No lengthy explanations are needed. How everything ends is enough to make viewers draw their own conclusions. Citizens may sue police under Section 1983 when their rights are violated, and officers who break the law can face civil liability, discipline, or even termination. Up next, everything begins with a recording that seems harmless. No shouting, no threats, yet just minutes later, an approach made for safety reasons sets off a chain of actions that leaves many asking, what is really happening here? How's it going, sir? Sir, can I talk to you over here? Can we just talk over here? What's wrong with talking to me over here? I just want to talk to you in front of my car where we're not in front of the entrance so we can just have a little peaceful conversation. That's All right. Go ahead and walk. I I prefer you in front of me if you don't >> No, I'm not going to walk in front of you, sir. That's officer safety reasons. We can walk that way. Walk towards my car. You're making me walk backwards, guys. Sir, I'm not making you walk backwards. You're walking backwards yourself. I got to keep you on camera so >> Okay. You can keep me on camera. I just want to talk to you. That's all I want to do. I don't appreciate being on the camera without my permission. That's getting So far, am I being detained? >> I We're going to Am I being detained? Sir, you're being detained right now just for trying to figure out what's going on here. That's all I'm trying to do. Is there We got called there's a verbal There's a verbal disturbance here. >> Could you back up just a little bit? >> No, sir. We're going to walk back here. >> 6 ft, please. >> We're going to walk back in front of my car. Front of my car. So, I'm being detained? You are being detained. Yes, sir. >> For what crime? There was a verbal disturbance here. That's all I need to investigate. All right? Verbal disturbance? >> Yes, sir. I need your driver's license or an ID card. What's going to happen to me if I don't give you my documents? >> I have to I have to show I have to know who you are so I can trespass you if required. That's all I need to know. >> disturbance is a crime? Sir, So, I'm being accused of a crime? You are not being accused of a crime. That's what I'm trying to explain. Because there was a verbal disturbance. All right? We're not going to go down this route. We're not We're not going to go down this route. All right? >> Who's the victim? >> We're just going to have a conversation. >> are we not going to go down? >> Gosh. Sir, can you just listen to me? >> being Are you Are you becoming frustrated? Are you becoming frustrated? >> No, sir. I just want to know what my >> want to go down this route? That's what I'm trying to find >> to know what my rights are in this situation. Just like all your rights everywhere else. You're in America. You have all your rights. >> your name and badge number? It's right here. My name's right there. >> is right here? Right there. What starts as an ordinary conversation quickly becomes more tense before the question, am I being detained, is ever clearly answered. A familiar demand suddenly appears. From that moment on, the exchange is no longer a simple discussion. It begins to drift in a very different direction. Is this camera activated right now? >> Yes, sir. Okay. Make sure it's on. >> It's It's been on this entire time. >> your name. You can have my card. I do not care, sir. I need to Empler. Say again? >> Yes, sir. Empler. All right? I just need to know who you are so that I can figure all this out then we can go about our merry way. That's all I need to figure out. >> Okay, who has complained against me? Multiple people along with the post office. So >> You have their names? I don't because I'm not sitting in front of my computer. I need to know your name. What is your name? Why do you need to know my name? So if I have to trespass you, I need to know who I'm trespassing. It's kind of hard to trespass an unknown person, isn't it? So I'm being detained right now? >> Who are you? I'm being detained right now for filming? Because it's all on There was no There was no verbal disturbance. That's what I'm getting told. There was a verbal disturbance, citizen. This is That is what I'm here for. >> I've got it all on video. There was no verbal disturbance. >> Well, that's what I'm here for. I don't know because I've been talking to you since I got here, correct? >> Okay, is it might be an accused of a crime? >> Sir, I need to figure out what's going on. I need to identify who you are and who everybody else is involved in this whole thing. I don't understand why you need to know who I am to decide whether there was a crime being committed. Sir, what's your name? Can you just de-escalate a little bit? >> I am de-escalating. I am not riled up. >> frustrated. Well, tell me who you are. Well, I don't want to give you up my Fourth Amendment rights. You're not giving up your Fourth Amendment rights. >> Unless you're going to threaten me with arrest, I'm not going to volunteer any information to you. Sir, who are you? Again, unless you threaten me with arrest, I'm not going to identify. What is your name? Again. I am I am not riled up. >> to me if I don't If I do not give you my identity? If there's a crime then I'm going to charge you with multiple crimes. If there's a crime? >> If there was a crime that was committed or if you're trespassing or anything like that, then I'm going to charge you with obstruction. As the questions start to be dodged, the tone begins [music] to shift. It's no longer about explanations but about pressure. And right here, things begin to escalate in a way no one expected. You're delaying and interfering with my investigation. That is what I'm going to charge you with. It's just like if you were driving down the motor roadway and you do not provide a driver's license or ID card to prove who you are. Can we get a supervisor here, please? >> I have two other deputies here. Okay. >> I don't need a supervisor. Why do you need to talk to a supervisor? >> believe you know the law. Okay. >> You're not respecting my my my constitutional rights. >> I am here to do a job, right? And I got called here lawfully and told that there was a citizen dispute and a verbal disturbance. And I told you that >> So, and I am not here to argue with you about the verbal disturbance. I need to know who's identified on what crimes and what stuff so I can investigate what's going on. Okay, for the first >> if And then I am >> I would like to talk to a supervisor, please. Please. >> [laughter] >> 2334 2336 Putney County Sheriff, guys. Can you come over to this location? What's your first name? You can call me good citizen. I'm not going to call you a good citizen. I want to talk to you like a human being. I want to know your name that way I can talk to you. >> my name. I'm fine. >> [screaming] >> 19, can you go ask what's going on? And find out what they want done. Three cars out here for a guy with a camera. Three squad cars. It could be all resolved very quickly, sir. >> here, sir? I already called my supervisor. >> Thank you. Without any further explanations or evidence, authority begins to assert itself in a different way. And at this point, the question becomes, is this still a routine check, >> [music] >> or has it turned into an imposition? The moments that follow reveal just how far things are pushed. Since you're not going to give up your name or anything like that, you are delaying my investigation, just so you're aware. I just want you to be aware, that's all I want. Well, I just want you to be aware that I'm not going to give you my ID unless you threaten to arrest me. I don't want to go to jail. >> threaten to arrest you? I'm not going to threaten to arrest you. I'm just going to arrest you if I have a crime or something. You realize that, right? I'm not going to threaten to arrest you. You understand? >> my ID if you're going to arrest me. If you If you can stop me from being arrested, [clears throat] if if giving you my ID stops me from going to jail, then I'm going to give you my ID. Well, that'd be nice. Good, but if I don't have to give you my ID, I don't want to give you my ID. Do you get what I mean? Feel me? What is You're not too pretty. You got to snow day. Analytics. Feel me? COVID-19. You got anything better to do today? You guys don't have to wear masks. I'm 6 ft away. Well, he come right up on me. I asked him to step away, he wouldn't do it. He started getting real agitated. I know the guy for years, he doesn't get agitated. Well, I got it on film, bud. Oh, man. Bet you do. Yeah. What's your name and badge number? Oh. You want to identify? I don't have badge numbers. You're the public servant here. You're the one that's supposed to identify, not the public. You're not our master. You're not our master. I'm not saying I'm your master. >> acting like it. Stop starting >> are you going down this road? What is behind all this? Like, why are you trying to do this? What is What is your purpose right now? Well, right now, I'm I'm standing up for my Fourth Amendment rights, and you don't seem to like that. It irritates you. It doesn't irritate me. Sure it does. I love the Constitution. >> have the right to know who I am. If I haven't broken a law, you have no authority over me. You've illegally detained me now for about 10 minutes. Okay. If you would like to leave, you can leave. Well, you just told me I was detained. Yeah, well, this crime was occurring, but if you're going to if you're going to leave, then If I'm free to As things move toward the end, the situation becomes increasingly tangled. The questions still hang in the air, but the pressure grows more intense. And just when it seems like everything is about to wrap up, what happens next catches many people by surprise. I don't know what's going on back there, but if you're going to walk down the road, I don't care. If I'm free to leave, I'm free to stay. Am I detained? Am I detained? Let me figure out what's going on over here. >> whether I'm detained or not? This is a tyrant right here. Okay, this He will not tell me whether I'm being detained. You want to go down I am This is the Putnam County Sheriff's Department, guys. Really? Am I detained? If you're going to walk away if you're going to walk away, then go ahead. But if you're not going to walk away, if you're going to stay here, then I need to figure out what they want to do, if they want to trespass. >> This is public property. You can ask me to leave, but you can't trespass me from public property. You don't Did you take an oath to the Constitution? All right. Hey man, it's cold. Hey man, all that I ask of you is just not maybe not sticking You can ask all you want, bud. Try to keep your 6 ft >> What's your name and badge number? But you can go stand there all you want video. What's your name and badge number? All right. What's your name and badge number? I'm going to have to ask you to That's all I know. That's all I need to know, sir. That's all I want. They won't identify. They come up here like a tyrant. The walk of shame. The walk of shame. That's what you're doing right now. The tyrant walk of shame. >> day, sir. >> Don't ever come up on me like that again, or I will sue you. Okay. You hear me? Okay. I'm the public, you're the servant. >> Okay. Have a good day, sir. Read your constitution. There's no longer a debate over right and wrong through words. What remains are attitudes, actions, and images >> [music] >> that allow viewers to draw their own conclusions. And sometimes, silence and retreat speak louder than any justification ever could. Respecting civil rights does not make society weaker. On the contrary, it is the only way for society to become stronger, fairer, and more humane. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much.