Serial number, ID number. >> You don't have any ID number. >> So, actually there's a pillar and I know sometimes it can be kind of uh difficult. He >> doesn't have to ask you. >> Well, I don't have to answer either. >> Why are you going to make him? >> Why do you do it? Uh just to exit asma, right? Simple as that. >> Right in front of the warning sign. And from that moment, the entire military base revealed an unexpected weakness. >> Anything you need for me? Yeah. Can you go for a second? >> An invisible boundary, an imposed command, and a single camera that forced the military to back down. Just a few meters from the warning sign, a soldier's arm suddenly blocks the way. And >> up until this gate where all of your rules are posted, saying anybody going past this gate [music] is subject to being searched. Possessions be searched. It's right there on the fence. So on this side of the fence, that doesn't apply. This is public access. An investigator admitted there was no clearly marked boundary. So why were they still threatening to arrest people for trespassing on a military base? >> Nice out today. >> I'm Morrison with the 46. >> I'm sorry. What was your name? >> Airman Morrison 46. >> Airman Morrison. >> Yes, sir. >> Do you have a badge number or a serial number? >> A badge number? No, sir. >> No. >> So, uh, what are you out here for? >> Can I just get your name and badge number? >> Simbrano. >> Sbrano. Do you have a badge number? >> Negative. >> Serial number. ID number. >> No, sir. >> You don't have any ID number? >> Yeah. Well, when you have an ID number, come back and talk to me because I need to identify who I'm speaking with. >> I Anybody can buy those uniforms anywhere, you know. >> How are you? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. Can I get your name and badge number? >> Uh, can't do that, unfortunately. >> You can't do that? No. >> All right. Well, then you guys have a good day. I can't speak to you. >> I'm happy to speak to you guys, but you need to identify yourselves properly the way you're supposed to, >> right? >> Can we help you out today? >> By identifying yourself, it' be a start and then and then I would be happy to speak to you. >> Did we do something to aggravate you or >> so? No, I'm Do I see him aggravated? >> No. >> Oh, okay. So, you're officer Palmer? >> Yes, sir. >> And what is your serial number? ID number. >> 5115. >> Okay. And now, do you want to tell me what yours is? Because your sergeant told me that everybody's got one >> after you told me you didn't have an ID number. You're approaching somebody in your official capacity as a law enforcement officer. And I'm just asking you to identify yourself, and I'd be happy to. >> Was that so difficult? Thank you very much. Okay. So, now, how can I help you gentlemen out? >> Already asked that. >> No, I'm asking. No warning sign, no visible boundary. Yet the order step back or be detained immediately was issued. Is this broad daylight abuse of power? >> You're in the inbound lane on a federal installation. >> No, I'm actually in the median. How >> can we help you out? >> I don't need any help. >> I'm doing good. >> What do you need? >> Nothing. Need to need to just be able to carry on with what I was doing unimpeded >> would be would be a start. >> Just recording anything I could see. >> Just have a conversation. >> Yeah. Yeah. No. Well, and I told you once you identify yourself, I'd be happy to speak to you. >> I seem like I'm offended about something. I'm offended about the fact that you guys came out here, this officer lied to me and told me he didn't have an ID number and you guys were >> I don't think not identifying yourself is professional at all. So, I'd have to disagree with you. Now, we've gotten to a point where you have identified yourself [music] after being almost forced to. So, yeah. No. So, we're we're beyond Well, your sergeant came out and told me that everybody's got an ID number. So, anyway, >> I don't want to argue semantics with you. I'm not looking to give you a hard time. How can I help you? >> How can we help you out? >> I already answered your question. I don't need any help. So, I'm asking you if you guys need any help. Anything you need from me? >> Yeah. >> What's the issue with identifying yourself? >> There's there's necessarily an issue, but I'm not going to get into >> Does your policy require you to identify yourself, especially when you're acting in your official capacity as a law enforcement officer? >> Yes. To a certain extent, yes. >> Okay. So, do you want to do that? >> We've already done that. You've identified yourself as officer Johnson or sorry, Tech Sergeant Johnson. There could there could be 15 Tech Sergeant Johnson. Johnson is a very common last name. It is. >> So your ID number is you have an ID number so that you can identify yourself to the public. >> We're not going to. >> All right. Well, then that's where the conversation ends. >> Tension peaks at the base gate. One side demands an official map while the other points to a small orange dot on the ground. >> About the Air Force base. >> Investigator Santiago, do you have a ID number or serial number? Uh, so my ID number is actually Sierra 80052. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate that. >> Investigators here at Buckley Air Force Base. >> Just coming out here to let you guys know that it is your first amendment right to go ahead and and film. Uh, but it has to be on public property over there at the edge. So, you want to walk with me? I'll take you over there. >> Well, my understanding is is that and just to have a >> friendly conversation with you since you were willing to identify yourself. I appreciate that. >> Absolutely. um up until this gate where all of your rules are posted saying anybody going past this gate is subject to being searched, possessions be searched. It's right there on the fence. So on this side of the fence that doesn't apply. This is public access. >> So actually there's a pillar and I know sometimes it can be kind of uh difficult to see, but there's a a pole that's in the grass there with a orange orange dot there. You have to actually be on the other side of that. >> A pole with an orange dot. >> I'll take you over there. >> Yeah, let's go take a look at it. Where's your demarcation line? So that is actually the demarcation line for for the installation here. >> Okay. >> So like I said, you guys are free to to film, but we just ask that you do it on that other side. >> Now, are you in Do you work for the same department as these guys do? >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I'm just one of the investigators for the installation. >> So, are you one of the higherups? >> So, I would say I'm one So, essentially the way the military has it is we have an investigation section. Okay. which is essentially the equivalent of a detective detective branch installation. >> From a hardline stance and threats of arrest, the military quickly shifted to compliance the moment local police arrived, agreeing to correct the boundary issue. >> Red vest so you guys could see me. I'm not trying to secret myself. We're not hiding. This is my son and we're all taking some video on publicly accessible property. That's all we're doing. >> There's no reason for everybody to get nervous. >> So, initially, you know, we don't know what your intentions are, right? We don't know who you are. Okay. So, uh, we come out, we'll talk to you. I see you're not a threat. >> Um, we just want to make sure that you are aware of where you can and where you can't record. And I want to make sure that we're not violating your rights and allow you to to record. >> I get that. But, but, but some rapport with the general public. >> Absolutely. >> Could be a very good deescalation technique. >> And them coming out of the gate the way they did could escalate things to a place that it doesn't need to be. And once things start going up, it's hard to get them to start coming back down. So that's the reason when [music] that starts like that, that's the reason I get standoffish and I'm not willing to have a conversation because I don't want to be accused of instigating anything, agitating anything because that's where these conversations usually wind up going. >> Gotcha. >> And then the police get here and then you guys in the corner somewhere without the benefit of me hearing tell them things I didn't even do or that I seemed like I was being aggressive and that a couple of the guys even said to me, "Why are you getting upset?" I wasn't getting upset. I was talking just like I'm talking to you now. So, as you know, demeanor and decorum is very important and it'll avoid a lot of problems for you guys. >> Most definely. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, I just want to let you guys know that you are free to film. >> So, you want to show me this red dot? >> So, actually, it's it's this line right here. I know it can be kind of convoluted >> on the sidewalk over there, too. >> I could be wrong. >> So, you're saying you're saying this is your demarcation line, >> right? This is our demarcation line right here. So, if you look directly across the street, there's also another pole just like this. Wouldn't you normally have a line on the side? >> So, not every installation has has that. I know some do, um, but not every every installation. >> Citizens may sue public officials for violating their constitutional [music] rights pursuant to 42 US Code SS1983. Individuals/organizations are required to pay damages to the injured party. Violating police officers [music] may be disciplined, have their licenses suspended, fired, or expelled, depending on the policy of the agency/ [music] police chief. Stopping and threatening to detain people when the boundary isn't [music] clearly marked could expose the military to accusations of abuse of power and violations [music] of civil rights. Up next, just as he reached the police station gates. Before the camera [music] could even steady, two officers rushed in and surrounded him. Trying to film inside. >> Excuse me. >> That's not the the headquarters, is it? >> You're trying to do what? Sorry. >> Film inside. >> Why are you trying to film police? >> Is that the headquarters? >> Why are you trying to film police? >> Just filming. >> That's not >> Huh? >> You be filming here, mate? What is it that you want to >> just see how many guys you got and all that? >> Why is that? >> I don't know. >> Who do you work for? You like YouTube as an order or something? Jeez, just carry on with your work, man. >> There's a lot of cars in there to be fair. >> Sorry. >> Uh, listen. Don't [music] give me your orders, man. >> I'm not giving you orders. >> Yeah, you tell me. Step over here. Don't give you what you want. >> I don't like orders. >> Okay. What's your name, sir? >> Just one of them things. Don't give me orders. >> Okay, no problem. >> Don't ask details. >> Because it's a counterterrorism base. That's what I'm asking. Is it building? >> All right. Okay. >> All right. Do Do you want to swap? I can sit here. So you're not right. >> Huh? >> Yeah. Like we haven't got any. >> No. To be honest, the reason I won't step here >> Yeah. >> cuz the sun was against it. >> Yeah. The only reason obviously we're asking is because like my colleague said, it's a count of terrorism. >> Is it? >> And then obviously when you say I want to try and get inside and film, >> that's where the concerns are. If you want to stand out here and pop it, pop it in and film. There's no issues with that. >> Did I actually say that? >> What's that? >> Did I say I'm going to try and get inside and film? >> You're looking inside, you said. >> But he said I told your colleague >> I tried He is a bit further away. >> To my recollection, I thought I heard. If I didn't, then I'm going. >> Yeah, I'm asking him. Did I say I'm trying to get inside and film? >> No, you But you were moving closer in. >> All right. Okay. What did I say? >> You said you're trying to film. You want to know how many people? >> So, can you say words in my mouth? >> Sorry. >> You filming on your glasses, sir? >> Yeah. Yeah. Just like you've got a hat. >> No, I'm not on. So, I'll put it on so that we know that we're filming. >> Cool. >> That's all right. From a simple question about filming, they shifted straight to counterterrorism warnings. But what escalated the tension even more was the way the police tried to assert control. >> He said he may not hurt. >> No, there's a big difference between filming and getting. >> Well, your gestures were move. You were moving in as we were coming out. So, >> inside there. Come on. Don't put my words. >> Don't put words in my mouth. >> Put nothing in your mouth. >> Yeah, I'm putting words in my mouth. >> I'm not put nothing in your mouth. >> Yeah, I think you are. Anyway, just uh just in [music] case I I request that footage. Can I get your shot number? >> Yes. Yes. >> Alpha 194. Yeah, that's it. >> Just in [music] case I request the footage, but likely I probably won't. >> What's that? >> I said I probably won't, but just in case. >> In case. >> I request the footage that you're off your camera. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, we probably >> No, I said just in case. Just in case. >> Sorry. Sir, I don't I don't like being surrounded. Are you sorry I'm not a video? >> I never said that for YouTube. >> Dude, you keep putting words in my mouth. >> I believe I said. >> All right. He if he answers me. Why has he got an American flag? >> He doesn't have to ask you. >> Well, I don't have to answer you either. Why have you got an American flag on the British police uniform? Same blue line. American. Are you American? No. >> Why have you got that? >> For a colleague. >> For a colleague who's American. >> He died in in the US. >> All right. >> You got your No, I've never seen that before. Like, you know, it's going to But it is kind of my business cuz the uniform like it comes out of the taxes. So, I cannot. Not a lot really. I mean, >> the glasses. >> Yeah. >> Does that mean the phone? >> Yeah. Look, you've been >> Well, you can do that. You got the camera there. >> I mean, is that part of your phone? >> Oh, no. When asked to provide their badge numbers, some officers evaded the question while others stayed silent. And in that moment, suspicions of concealing their identities began to surface. >> So, usually if that happens, I've got a [music] backup plan to record with the glasses. >> They don't notice. >> Uh, a lot of people don't notice now, but you guys are quite sharp. You see? Yeah. But still, taking it off my face, I think [music] that's going to look a little bit bad. >> How many times you can mix up? >> Mix for recording. uh put in handcuffs [music] a lot of times. Nick's actually nicked being arrested uh once. >> Why handcuffs? >> Handcuffs just using section 43 terrorism act. And then uh although I've never >> search I I couldn't tell you. >> So for Yeah. Yeah. For a search. I couldn't tell you how many times it's happened. Quite a lot of [music] times. And uh although I've always act I always act like this. I'm never like violent, you know. Uh but yeah, you get that happens and usually take your fan off you and then uh they switch it off. >> Huh? >> And they do it in >> No, they just put it on the side. Some like to look inside it. So >> what's the interest in? >> What do you mean? >> From your point of view, why why do you do it? >> Why do they do it? Uh just to exercise my rights. Simple as that. >> And uh just to tell you guys if members [music] of the public choose to exercise their rights, you can't uh use your powers for no reason. That's it. That's all it is. No real job. You don't Is this a job? >> Uh, is this a job? >> Yeah, you can say that. Yeah, you >> get paid for it. >> Dude, you asked too many questions. >> I know. >> I'll ask you one question. One question. No, you didn't. You were so vague about it. You were getting all, you know, >> no one any question. >> I didn't say I'll answer any questions at all. The filmer revealed that he always carries a hidden camera because he's been handcuffed and had his phone confiscated before. And that confession instantly shifted the entire atmosphere. >> So you think, All right, correct me then. >> Not giving your name. >> Correct me then. >> Oh, okay. >> You think it's [music] nonsense? >> It's nonsense. >> You are you sure? >> Yes. >> Well, check it today when you go just like you're going to check the bottle of balaklava that you had no idea about. Check this as well. You'll find that [music] most of the public died in your hands are a lot higher than the police officers that died. Trust me, I do this for a living. Remember, >> that's what I said. >> You insist. >> Yeah. You arrested them and [music] they died. >> They died in your hands. It's the same thing. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. They died. They hang themselves. A lot of stuff happened. I do I do read all this stuff. Trust me. >> The same. >> It is the same. That's why it's not the [music] same. When you arrest me, you're responsible for my safety and my life regardless whether I'm criminal or you made a mistake in your arrest. You're responsible for my for me. Do you agree with that? Now, if you arrest me then I don't come out from that door again, then that [music] death is on you. Do you understand? >> That's an opinion. Yeah. >> It's not what you said earlier on. >> But they are facts. >> It's exactly what I said. I don't know who you're not listening. You you accused me of not listening, but you you don't seem to be listening. But anyway, you're doing this. >> So members of the public will appreciate if you have like a sign for this instead of having [music] the sign just for you guys. Do you see where the separation comes in? >> I understand your point. >> That's the point. >> Whether I agree with you, I understand. >> Yeah, I know you don't agree because you have that divider to you. I said I understand. >> That's why you have that divider. [music] >> Yeah. You're getting angry. I don't know why. >> Never again done that. insinuate. Don't get angry. I'm not perfectly calmly standing talking to him. My hands are in the pocket. >> You seem to be getting angry. That guy is doing his research. >> Did you find anything? >> Everything fell silent when he brought [music] up the lives lost in police custody. The conversation instantly grew heavier. Next, a newly appointed police chief faces trouble not from his [music] duties, but from his wife's social media account. Yes, I took a photo. Okay. Okay. >> An employee publicly shared a [music] document that was also public. Why did a photo of a meeting schedule anger the police chief and get her dragged into a closed room for questioning like a criminal? >> This was brought to my attention about some posts that were on Facebook and stuff. So, I have to ask, did you take any photos of the common council agenda? >> Yes. took the phone. Okay. >> Okay. And and why did you do that? >> Um I like to see them and have them available. >> Okay. Uh >> they're they're public public information. >> Okay. [music] Yeah, I understand that. Okay. And uh what did you do with that [music] photo? >> On my phone? >> Saw on your phone? >> Yeah. >> You [music] didn't give it to anybody else? >> If somebody asked me what was happening with the what the common council agenda was, I sent it to them. Okay. Then who did you send it to? >> I try sometimes. >> Well, I need to know who those friends are. Who did you send it to? >> Um, I don't need to know who >> who you sent that photo to. >> Something that that is public knowledge that I sent privately off. >> Okay. Well, it's the photo that you sent [music] that's been used to discredit the department itself and and also this common council in the city. So, [music] are you refusing to answer and tell me who you sent this photo to? >> I don't believe that I that I did anything wrong. >> I didn't ask that. Please. So, are you refusing to tell me who you sent this photo to? >> I sent the photo to friends who asked about the common council. >> Okay. Who asked about the common council? >> I have plenty of friends ask about it. Members of the public ask about common council. >> Okay. Who did you send that photo to? >> I I don't believe I need to give any names. >> Okay. What was your intention on on uh giving that photo? >> I have no intentions on giving that photo. >> No intentions on giving this photo to this person. Right. That's your photo, is it? or no. >> Who says it's my photo? >> I'm just Is this Is this the photo that you took here? >> Yeah, that's a photo I took. >> This is the photo. This actual photo here? The one? >> The sheriff digs into [music] every detail, even seemingly innocuous conversations to build a treason dossier. But is he [music] seeking justice or just personal revenge? If you didn't tell me who you sent this photo that was used to discredit the department the department city of Amory comic. >> I guess I'm not understanding how it's being used to discredit. >> I'm I'm going to get to that but it's starting to rile up people and stuff like that. Okay. So you're not going to tell me who you sent it to. I I don't need to give names of my friends that >> friends [music] that you're that you know have previously made statements to discredit and disparage the department. >> If you're speaking about Ashley Long >> I don't know who Ashley Long is. >> No. >> Is this Ashley Long this this city watcher? >> I don't know. >> Are you Ash are you a city watcher? >> I am not. Okay. But the photo that you used was given to this person and then previous knowledge you know this this this person has this city watcher has has uh previously [music] discredited the the department the city myself have the right to understand that I don't understand people have the right to question what's going on. We're a public entity. >> Oh I I understand that. But when you take part in that, >> who says I took part in that? >> Because I sent because I sent a picture of public [music] something that's publicly posted that they could have gotten anywhere. >> Yeah. But >> an ordinary act like sending a photo to a friend is suddenly turned into a plot to sabotage a government agency. When the right to share public information [music] is turned into subversive behavior, is this still democracy? of giving this person this photo. >> They asked for the information. I gave them the information. >> Oh, so they just [music] happened to >> People want to know what's going on in there, didn't you? >> So, so in a matter of a minute and a half, people wanted you to know that. So, you went out there and took a photo and then gave it to somebody. Is that what you said? >> Matter of a minute and a half. Where where does that come from? >> So, you walk out to the hallway, right? I mean, how how how did this occur with you taking this photo? >> I don't understand the time whether you frequently I frequently go out there and take pictures of the agenda to have for my personal reference. >> Okay. >> I take pictures of the agenda and then when somebody asks what's going on on the agenda, I can say here you go. Here's your agenda. >> Oh, so just just something you just normally do. >> Yes. >> Okay. And all of a sudden that photo that you take gets on a website on a that discredits disparages the department and stuff. You you don't think those are disparaging or discrediting the department? >> Even people have a right to ask questions into >> I understand you you [music] believe that. But do you think that's disparaging when somebody says something like that? >> When somebody's when somebody asks questions about what's going on, is it disparaging >> when somebody makes a post of like this? >> And without any investigation results, the decision to fire was announced right in the hallway. A sentence was issued without a court, without a lawyer, just a [music] hostile look from the boss. >> This here, let me give your your right, your stuff here. Here's a copy of your investigation. Here's your copy of your investigation. And this is your right to appeal. Would you like to sign this? You have a right to I have to sign this here that you have a right to appeal. I'm going to make a copy of that for you as [music] well. Anything that you need to pull out your stuff. Here's your copy. to like you to gather your stuff. >> That's cool. >> You asked them. >> Any other questions? >> Citizens are protected by the first amendment [music] and the Wisconsin constitution. In a real life situation, police officers [music] face reinstatement of a fired employee, compensatory damages, including lost wages and attorney fees, financial penalties for failure to comply with the decision of the labor relations [music] board. You can respect law enforcement, but ethics and the rule of law only survive [music] when the right to observe, question, and record the truth is preserved. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed [music] the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. [music]