sticking a camera in their face and wanting information out of them on the spot without them pre-noticing. >> I stuck there. Okay. So, why don't we just end? So, here's what here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to do. Right. So, once you do that, I'll be happy to give you all my info cuz at that point, I know you're >> without the info. But you won't give me your >> No, that's not the fact. You Well, I won't give you my information because you start barking out things. >> Just a single camera. Yet, it was enough to throw an entire government office into panic, prompting them to call 911 and dispatch [music] four police units to surround the scene. >> Oh, well, but maybe that's maybe that's what you would do. That's not what I would do. >> That's all that they're asking. >> Well, there let me tell you something. >> No arrest, no crime. Yet, they still tried to force [music] him out of a public building. And that's when the First Amendment spoke for itself. >> Ask nicely and maybe I'll go outside and continue [music] the conversation with you. But you know when you tell me I have to leave that's >> the moment he stepped into the lobby a cold cutting question split the air. Where is the law and from that instant everything shifted all because of a single camera. >> I don't need to hear your explanations. I don't need your advice. >> Inside the window into the building. >> He doesn't need to answer your questions either if he doesn't want to. >> We never were talking. We're talking >> Listen, conversation's over. >> The 911 call had barely ended when four officers showed up. But what exactly were they expecting to find? Two men armed with nothing more than a three-foot stick and a camera. >> It's not their policy. I can assure you that. >> So, what do we got to do to get you to leave the building? Then >> ask nicely and maybe I'll go outside and continue the conversation with you. >> Okay. >> But, you know, when you tell me I have to leave, that's an unlawful order and that's not something I'm gonna, you know, I don't I follow 100% follow lawful orders. I completely ignore >> Well, you said to shut the cameras off. Well, well, when you have someone coming in that >> that's not the onus is I'm not HIPPA certified. The onus is on them to protect their privacy, not me. This is a public lobby and anything I can see with my eyes, I can record. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's the way it works. Audio and video. >> Well, that person doesn't want the face on the video. >> Well, that's you know, I as a human being, I would respect that if they asked me that. But I actually just had a little quick conversation with him. He was being pleasant, smiling, no issues. Didn't ask me to turn my camera off. Had no issues with it. So, I don't want to assume he's got issues that he doesn't have. You know what I mean? And I'm not looking to give you a hard time. I'm just looking to walk in here, ask a question, get the answer, and leave. I would have been out of here in 30 seconds. >> Did you get to ask the question? >> I'm What? >> Did you get to ask your question? >> Oh, I got to ask my question, but it it was not answered. >> What was your question? >> I [music] We came inside. Okay. Asked them what I said. My name is Jason and I'm here to find out what services you provide here at the health department. So, the young lady >> answer that question. I'm trying to explain to you. So the lady with the blonde hair right there said to me, "I'll go get somebody that'll speak to you." Okay. So then another lady came out with uh brunette dark hair, older lady probably around my age [music] came out and said, "Uh, can I help you gentlemen?" I asked her the same question. I said, "I'd like to know what can you please tell me what your name is. My name's Jason. Can you give me your first name and tell me what services you provide here at the health department?" >> Okay. >> Identity statute order to leave. who actually has the authority to say you must and who is calm enough to ask back what law did I break >> and why aren't they going to give me information because I'm recording if I wasn't recording would they have answered my question >> most likely but they >> so the issue is the camera >> most likely said if you leave your name and number they'll have someone call you and answer >> well I could have I could have saved myself a trip and made a phone call I came down to visit the health department >> I'm just telling you what >> part of part of my story is getting video and and the of the building and the area and just putting together a pack. >> The building's fine. The area is fine. Sticking a camera in their face and wanting information out of them on the spot without them pre-noticing. >> I stuck I stuck a camera in their face the same way I'm sticking a camera in your Well, I don't have to listen to anything, but I will. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Well, I don't have to listen to anything either. >> You don't have to be here. There's no lawful reason for you to be here. >> Came in somebody's face. >> I did not. That's you're you're sensationalizing. There is no sticking a camera in anybody's face. >> A conversation though, right? We've established that it's kind >> I'm not following what you're saying. No, I'm still stuck on the fact that you're saying Nope. I'm still N. >> So they don't want >> What if my son's a high school student? He's working on a project for high school and that's why we're here. >> Require some pre-notification. >> Call and set up something. You wouldn't >> Well, but maybe that's maybe that's what you would do. That's not what I would do. >> That's all that they're asking. >> Well, let me tell you something. >> No, let me tell you something. I did my homework before I got here. Okay. >> I understand that. >> There is no policy. There is no rule. And there is no Nebraska state law, county law, or anything that prevents me from videoing inside this office. Absolutely not. Call your district attorney and find out. >> Well, [music] if that's true, so it is true. >> But now they don't be here. >> But they can't ask me to leave a public place without a lawful reason. No, you can't. Have I violated a law? >> We are asking you to leave. They don't want you. >> You can ask. I can respectfully decline. >> Well, you're disturbing their peace right now. >> No, I'm not disturbing anybody. This is disturbing their peace. I was sitting here silently until you walked in. Call the DA in check. The clash between policy and law erupted. When internal rules collide with constitutional rights, which one must yield? >> You're not going to do that. >> Never happened. Never happened. There was never a disturbance. >> That's what the woman just told me. >> She could tell you anything she wants to tell you. The camera's the objective witness that never lies. >> You're skipping over the issue. >> I'm not skipping over anything. You're You're skipping over the fact that I walked into a public health office to ask what services are provided here and I was denied service. What did you guys want? That's what you're saying. >> Didn't I ask you that when I first got here? What? >> Same thing I've been saying since I got here. >> Didn't I ask you that though? What did you want? I never skipped over it. That was the first question out of my mouth. Exactly. Thank you. >> I'm having a hard time keeping up with your circle jerk logic. So, you you win that conversation. >> The only one circle jerk in is you right now. >> Okay. >> So, why don't we just end So, here's what here's what I'm going to do. Here's what I'm going to do to make it simple for you. Conversation's over. Have a nice day. >> Perfect. Just >> and I'll leave when I'm ready to leave. I don't want to hear Don't wrestle with a lollipop in your mouth. Don't eat yellow snow. Don't sleep with your partner's wife. Okay, >> I get it all. I'm older than you are. Have a nice day, adios, >> getting frustrated, but >> I'm not frustrated at all. I'm being direct. >> No, no, you >> there's zero frustration. >> You're you're insinuating that >> you're getting frustrated. >> types of issues going on here that we would never >> I don't need to hear your explanations. I don't need your advice. >> Inside the window into the building. >> He doesn't need to answer your questions either if he doesn't want to. >> We never We're talking We're talking. >> Listen, conversation's over, guys. Have a nice day. I wish you the best of luck and stay safe. >> Were you videotaping inside of the building? Outside of the this public area? Even if I was, that's perfectly legal. >> Even if I was confidential information later. I can't just >> Well, then they the onus is on them to guard that private information. Absolutely is. Familiarize yourself with hippo laws. You have no idea what my education is and what I know. >> Can you show us the video? >> Absolutely not going to show you my video. No. Absolutely not. >> No. Not the way you're behaving. Might have been on a different different day, a different time. >> A different day, a different time. You're going to act the way you act. And that's this is how it is. >> The door stayed open. The camera kept rolling. But when the dust finally settled, who was really under scrutiny? The man holding the camera or an entire system terrified of transparency. I mean, it's absolutely incredible that these people that choose to work in the public sector in a public office decide to behave this way. Um, doesn't really make any sense to me. And if you're really that concerned with your privacy and you don't want to work in public, go get a job at a bank in the back room counting money or something. Don't get a job. Like I said, people come in here in crisis. People come in here needing help and assistance. And to have women like this working behind the counter or men, doesn't matter if women or men. I'm just saying women because that's who happens to be here today. Um it's a disgrace and it's a disgrace for the Nebraska State Department of Health. And we're going to be sure to let them know that this happened here today and make sure they see this video and uh make sure that these women get some training and some education. Uh, you know, like I said, I think the police, if we were not educated, we didn't know what we were talking about. Um, I think the police would have gone a totally different direction. Uh, but knowledge is power, guys, and you got to know what you're doing. You got to do your homework, and you got to know what the law is. And, uh, once you do, you got to stand up for what's right. Uh, and that's what you saw here today. So, obviously, on a personal level, I'm not looking to upset these ladies. They chose to do that for themselves. Um, I was being courteous, offered my name, told them we were here working on a story, um, and just asked for some very basic information about the services which they were unwilling to provide. Um, so major fail for the Nebraska Department of Health and Human Services. >> Citizens may sue public officials for violating their constitutional rights. Pursuant to 42 US Code SS1983, individuals/organizations are required to pay damages to the injured party. Violating police officers may be disciplined, have their licenses suspended, fired, or expelled depending on the policy of the agency/ police chief. The officer's conduct in this incident may amount to a constitutional violation, an abuse of authority by attempting to force someone out of a public space without any lawful basis. Up next, just a single camera standing outside the fence and instantly the jail triggered a soft alarm. You guys don't Do you understand that you guys have no authority outside of this fence? Let him enjoy the sunshine. It's a beautiful day. What's wrong with you? Stay in there where you belong. >> Have a good day, gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> It's amazing how they think they have anything to do with what goes on outside the fence. >> Yeah, >> it really is. And they're making these poor girls go inside with the dogs now. Well, at least they're taking the dogs with them, so they're going to have a little in time inside time. I'm sorry that uh that had to happen to him, but I don't hold myself responsible for the decision that that uh guard made. That was her call, not mine. It It really is. Wow. They just enjoy exercising their authority. You see her start screaming, "GIRLS INSIDE RIGHT NOW." Imagine having to listen to that. My grandfather gave me some great advice, guys, many, many years ago when I was a little kid. Stay out of jails and hospitals. >> No reason, no legal basis. Yet, they came out to the fence and began issuing orders to someone standing on a public sidewalk. Is this jail security or just a habit of unchecked control? >> Unbelievable. And you can see the cigarette sitting right there on the drain. I'll try to zoom in on it for you so you guys can see it. That uh and that I'm not making a big deal out of nothing. Littering pisses me off like nothing else. Ask the watchman. He's never been able to throw a piece of paper on the ground. I think that's disgusting. Stick it in your pocket and take it to a garbage can. And I'm seriously not making a big deal out of that for nothing. That has been a pet peeve of mine since I was a kid. That's how my father raised me. When I used to smoke cigarettes years ago, my wife would tell you, uh, I used to take the butts and stick them in the little watch pocket of my jeans. And when she'd go to do the laundry, there'd be like 10 disgusting cigarette butts in my pocket cuz I wouldn't throw them on the ground. It's a terrible thing to do. Sorry. It's a beautiful world we live in, guys. I think that's the problem with people that live in cities. They don't see nature enough. When you look at the mountains and you look at the rivers and the the great plains and the >> And just a few minutes later, a seemingly small detail flipped the entire situation. Who was actually breaking the law? The inmates or the very people guarding them? >> How we doing, sir? >> I'm good. You two are just the two I need to talk to. >> Good. Uh, you're the guy I need to talk to. We were just looking for an officer in the DOJ. >> Okay. Give me one second. I'll I'll talk to you about my thing and then you can talk to me about yours. >> Sure. >> Um >> well, mine's a violation of the law I want to report, so I don't know what's more important to you. >> Well, >> and can I just get your name and badge number so I know who I'm speaking with, please? >> Officer Shre 457. >> Thank you. My name's My name's Jason. Just >> Hi, Jason. Ben uh Warden called because you guys looked suspicious and he stated that you guys were filming the female inmates >> walking around the public sidewalk taking pictures. >> Right. So, um >> guilty is charged. >> Fair enough. >> Sorry, I just heard something. >> No, no worries. Yeah, we made sure we stayed on the public side. We checked all the GIS maps and surveys and we know what we're tracking. Um, if you guys got the footage you need there, then the problem is solved. I'd appreciate it if you just didn't keep filming them. >> Well, I want to >> So, you don't get bothered again by some of >> I I've been bothered for 51 years, man. It doesn't bother me. >> Um, all right. So, is that that's it? >> That's all I have. They just ask you to please not film them. And I understand it's public and everything else, >> right? >> However, it made the warden nervous. So, I talked to you guys about it and that's that. >> There you go. >> So, what can I help you guys with? >> All right. So, what's that statute number? 75-10-233. >> 7510233. >> Okay. >> Which leaves you no room for discretion. The statute actually states that you are mandated to write the ticket. So the gentleman that drives that black Tahoe parked right there who works for the prison >> threw a cigarette butt on the sewer drain. >> The police arrived. They didn't pursue a suspect. They didn't secure evidence. Instead, they tried to steer the narrative. Is this an investigation or protection of their own? >> We have you guys go and testify. Well, it's on video. >> We're just the middleman. All we do is your full name and the uh cigarette still sitting there. >> Okay. Your full name. >> Well, when you tell me you're going to write the infraction, I'll give you my I'll give you my driver's license. I'll hand you my driver's license. >> I find the person that was driving that. >> Right. So, once you do that, I'll be happy to give you all my info cuz at that point, I know you without the >> Right. >> I'm going to be standing right here. I'm not going anywhere. >> Okay. We have other calls that we're going to have to go to as well. >> Listen. So, how about I call you and let >> No, there's in this I don't know what subsection you're talking about, but the statute that I'm referring to says that you do not have any discretion in this matter and you have to write the ticket. >> But I have it on video how we investigate it and when we investigate it. So, if we got to go to other calls that are >> so you guys are going to play that game. See, let me just tell you something, okay? >> We're not going to leave. >> There's a big there's a there's a major divide in this country between law enforcement and the citizenry, okay? And what we're doing out here is trying to close that gap. That's our goal. I don't know if you guys know who we are. If you've seen any of our videos, you know what we do, okay? But we're trying to We don't believe in defund the police. We're not in any of that crap. We believe there are very good police officers in this country who do their jobs properly, and we support that. The guys that don't want to do their jobs, and the guys that want to make excuses and not uphold the law are getting other good police officers hurt. So, I hope that's not the two of you. >> I think we're done here, then. I'm sorry. >> Well, that's your call. >> You're not letting me help you. >> Well, you're playing it off real well. I appreciate you. That's the Yeah, sure you are. >> That's the thing. I'm trying to help you with this, but I've explained our policy and the fact that it's returned for followup so I can continue the investigation, but you won't give me your >> No, that's not the fact. You Well, I won't give you my information because you start barking out things like interfering and nonsense. You are a passive aggressive individual who thinks you're fooling me and you're completely full of [ __ ] and I see right through you. >> Well, you guys have a nice day. >> You do the same. >> Take care, guys. >> Yeah, you take care, too. And when your buddies in blue get hurt by somebody, don't blame me. Blame yourselves. >> I understand. >> Yep. I don't think you do. >> In the final twist, the place they claimed was under a strict lockdown wasn't locked down at all. It was just a cover to shield someone from having to answer a question. A seemingly routine stop quickly escalates into a controversial arrest. When the line between cooperation and coercion blurs, where do the limits of civil rights lie? >> Whatever you know, you know. >> It's not whatever I know. I know. I don't think we got anything on him, but we could take him for obstruction technically cuz he basically lied the whole time saying there's no female ever in the car. So, >> on August 25th, 2022 in Flaggler County, Florida, an incident began when Flaggler County deputies stopped a man near a rented U-Haul truck. According to reports, they had received a tip about a domestic violence incident involving a vehicle matching the description of the U-Haul. The officers immediately asked the man to provide information about the individuals in the vehicle and whether he was involved in the incident >> technically cuz he basically lied the whole time saying there's no female ever in the car. So >> I don't know about that. >> Okay. >> What's your name? What's your name? >> What? >> Who's in the >> Where's your buddy? >> Huh? You know exactly what's wrong. Who was the buddy in the car with you? >> I'm being arrested. >> No, you're not being arrested. You're being detained. >> Who was in the car with you? >> What's the reason? >> I'm explaining it to you. We had a call with that U-Haul about some kind of disturbance. >> So, who was involved with that? >> Whatever you know, you know. >> It's not whatever I know. I know. >> 410. Come over here for me just so I so I can identify who you are. >> You have an ID on you >> in your pocket you said right? >> There's not one correct. >> Were you involved in some kind of disturbance or no? >> Alpha Lima 73 410 not one of the same. >> Correct. We were given Alpha Lima 50973. >> During questioning, the man repeatedly stated that he knew nothing about the situation and was merely a bystander. Despite his claims, the officers continued to press him, demanding that he confirm the identities of those in the vehicle and provide details about the incident. >> Look, you're not under arrest, okay? And I don't think you're the person that we're looking for, okay? But someone called in. Was that you guys or no? They didn't give us your name. No, they gave us the name Mark. >> Neville Mark. How many people were in that? Just two or is there more than you? >> I don't. >> There's never a girl in there. >> 31 victim said the suspect should be wearing a red shirt. >> Okay. >> You're not under arrest. Okay. >> Like I said, that kind of matches the description. I guess the girl was beat up. So, if you guys aren't involved, Hos come off and you're out of here. Okay. >> And like I said, this is you're not the name that we're looking for. They said Neville Mark, >> right? When the man refused to cooperate, the officers began applying pressure by presenting him with an ambiguous choice. You can be a witness or a suspect. This statement left the man confused and raised questions about the officer's authority in determining who is considered a suspect based solely on verbal statements. >> Stay right here real quick. Let me just check and then I'll get chat with this cop. >> Who you with? >> Where's your phone? >> I don't got her phone. Yeah, cuz she hasn't. >> Listen, >> a couple hundred stuff in her place. >> She said that you had nothing to do with her. So, no matter what, you're probably >> I tried telling them that there was no female ever in the car with you. >> She was not in the car. Even though Even though the U-Haul's rented by her in Orlando, y'all went him and her went to Jacksonville to pick you up and went back to Orlando. That ain't her. I hear you. But that means yes, we're not stupid. >> You can't answer for me. >> You have the whole rental agreement. >> Well, you're not being >> Well, you could be a witness. You could be a suspect. Hey, if y'all treat me like a criminal, I'm I'm going stand here like a criminal. >> I'm talking to you like you're not. Don't just just please. You're making me mad because I'm in cuss right now. He pulled up on me with guns. He pulled up me with a gun. Like I don't got time for you, bro. >> You have the >> got on three. >> You got a picture the picture up. >> Although there was no direct evidence linking him to any crime, the officers decided to arrest him on charges of obstructing an investigation. Their reasoning was that he had lied about whether a woman was in the vehicle. The officers claimed that he had provided false information even though he had simply refused to answer their questions. >> Huh? >> No, you can come before we got too scared. >> I don't think we got anything on him, but we could take him for obstruction technically cuz he basically lied the whole time saying there's no female ever in the car. So, >> I don't know about that. >> Okay, that's your story. You can just take the ride, boss. All right. You don't know nothing. No one was ever in the car with you. No female was there. >> I ain't going to say that. >> Yes, you did. You said no female was ever in the car with you. >> We're here investigating a felony domestic violence case. Okay. And you're obstructing our efforts. >> I ain't Y'all pulled up on me with guns. That's a lawsuit. >> You want to be technical talking about obstruction? >> Okay. >> Y'all pulled up on me with guns. >> Okay. >> I want to hear that in court that I'm obstruction. >> Take an innocent bystander to jail. You say you're innocent. You lied to us the whole time. >> All right. >> I don't understand now. You saying >> why? >> I don't understand. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Have a seat. Put your >> We were investigating a felony domestic violence case. You lied to us. Said there was no female ever in the car. >> I've never said that. >> The pressure did not stop there. The officers further coerced him by stating that if he cooperated and explained the situation, he would only be considered a witness. However, if he remains silent, he would be treated as a suspect and taken to jail. >> Mr. Punham. All right. Look, I'm going to give you one chance if you want to talk your way out of the back of this car and explain to us what happened because she's saying that you're the one that's trying to like deescalate things and that you're not even involved. >> Do you want to tell us what happened or do would you rather take the ride for obstruction? >> Ride for what? for lying to us. >> I didn't lie to you about nothing. >> Not go to jail. >> Jail for what? >> Obstruction. >> Obstruction for what? What I do? >> For lying? That's what I'm asking you. >> Okay, let me go. >> Do you want to tell us what happened? >> I want to go, bro. >> I just want to go. >> Explain to us what happened and then we can treat you as a witness. You can be a witness. >> You could be a witness or you could be a suspect. What? That don't make no sense, bro. Like, how do you have the power to do that, bro? That's how it work. You could just what? ads, little tips and tats if you like. >> What are you talking about? Ad stuff >> like that make no sense, bro. I'm a bystander. I was walking. >> I was walking in the store, bro. Whatever. >> I don't know what he's talking about. >> If the arrested man were to file a lawsuit or if the US Department of Justice Doge launched an investigation, the involved officers could face civil complaints and financial compensation liabilities under 42 USC 1983. criminal liability, including imprisonment if convicted under 18 USC 242 [music] or 18 USC 1510, and internal disciplinary actions such as suspension or termination if found to have committed misconduct. The case highlights the importance of the right to remain silent, transparency in law enforcement, and police accountability when citizens rights are violated. A country is only truly safe when its citizens can hold their government accountable. 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