Okay. And it's because your your activity it looks like it's possibly that you're trying to burglarize a police vehicle >> looking in the car. >> Use your head, baby. >> I want to take pictures. >> But this is not a picture. >> That's what the video is. >> Rockland, California, where just one camera is enough to make the police angry. >> Have ID with you? >> Taking picture? Yeah, I do. >> Can they see it? I'm I'm walking around taking pictures of of cars, whatever. Why would I come to a police station and break into a [ __ ] car? >> What seemed like a normal audit quickly turned into a tense First Amendment fail in the middle of a parking lot with no signs prohibiting it. A man was simply taking a few pictures, but what was about to happen that made him suddenly stopped? >> Because that's suspicious activity. How do I know you're not burglarizing vehicles or trying to steal weapons out of a police vehicle? >> Question. And I don't understand how it pertains to this scenario >> because this is not a public parking lot. It's owned by the city. >> The police appeared and repeatedly asked, "What are you looking at the detective car for? Could just one look be enough to turn into a crime?" [Music] >> Holy [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Is there an issue? >> Well, we were called. Said you were looking in the uh detective's cars. >> Okay. reason why you would be doing that. >> Well, I was just taking pictures. >> What up? >> Now I'm recording. What? What's the issue? >> Well, there's no good reason to be up here looking in their cars. Okay. But you're looking in their vehicles. >> Taking pictures. >> Do you have ID with you? >> Taking picture. Yeah, I do. >> Can I see it? Or it is kind of suspicious that you're looking in the vehicles of of officers. So, yeah, you're detained. >> What the [ __ ] >> Would I like to I would like >> Crazy. I'm detained. Yes, because that's suspicious activity. How do I know you're not burglarizing vehicles or trying to steal weapons out of a police vehicle? >> I don't understand why it would be t be detained though. >> I just explained to you why you are being detained. >> Okay. >> Okay. And it's because your your activity it looks like it's possibly that you're trying to burglarize a police vehicle. You obviously knows these are detective vehicles, right? >> Well, yeah. I was taking pictures of those signs, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. That's why I was taking possibly burglarizing vehicles. I don't get it. >> Well, because we have and everybody knows that historically people go look in cars as they break into them or prior to doing so. That's a common practice of people who break into cars. So, we get calls a lot of people looking into people's cars because they're breaking into cars. So, that's why that's a suspicious activity that you're looking into cars that don't obviously you know and we know don't belong into you to you. A tense conversation erupted when people asserted their right to take photos while the police pressed them with the familiar phrase reasonable suspicion. >> It doesn't have to be burglary, right? It doesn't have to be breaking into a car. >> You're right. I'm asking you if there are that that you can explain any to me that that you have reasons that you would be looking into these cars. >> Well, yeah. I was taking pictures >> of the inside of police vehicles >> of anything. Taking pictures of them. >> Okay. Did you Did you find anything cool? >> Not yet. You interrupted me. I don't know what to >> where how did you get here? >> What was that? >> How did you get here? Do you live here? >> Why? >> I'm trying to find I'm trying to find a good reason as to why you're right here in this parking lot looking into the police vehicle. That's what I'm >> I'm walking around taking pictures of of cars, whatever. I mean, is do I need another reason? I I don't I don't know how all that works and I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I just don't know. I don't I don't feel like there's an issue and I don't understand what the issue might be. >> Yeah. >> Okay. If somebody was looking in your car, standing on your driveway or wherever you live, would you have an issue with that? >> If somebody was looking at my car, standing on my driveway, >> standing on my driveway where I live, would I have an issue with us? And these aren't your cars either. >> You don't work here, do you? >> What? >> Do you work here? >> You said that you would have questions for this person because they're on your property. >> I don't understand. I still don't understand why it matters. I don't I understand the question. And I don't understand how it pertains to this scenario >> because this isn't a public parking lot. It's owned by the city. >> This isn't open to the public. >> So you're on the police department's parking lot and you your words you're looking at in two cars looking for anything cool. >> I I said I'm taking pictures. >> Okay. So that's suspicious because if you see something that's cool in somebody else's car that you don't own, >> think somebody's going to steal it. >> No, not automatic. >> That's what it seems. >> That's kind of dumb, right? As the debate goes further, the concepts of law and constitutional rights are brought into conflict. Is this a test of free speech or a display of power? >> Why would I come to a police station and break into a [ __ ] car? >> Come on, bro. >> Why you come to a police station? >> Babe, use your head a little bit. I mean, it's not a it's not that big of a deal, right? >> You were just out at Rosal PD, right? At at their >> where police department. I saw the video of that suspicion and how that works and how that gives officers the ability to contact you. Do you do you know how that works? >> Not I mean I don't know what that is. No, I'm not I don't I'm not a law guy. >> There's people that are going to police departments. They're seeing what our contacts going to be. They're seeing if we're going to honor your rights. Right. And then people review and they give opinions on it. Right. Right. And I'm all for that and I'm all for educating people and I can educate you on reasonable suspicion and what gives us the ability to contact you, detain you, identify you. Right. Okay. >> Cuz I think that sergeant's trying to explain to you why we're out here. >> Well, your sergeant's kind of being a little more aggressive than he needs to be and being a jerk. Uh I have never been to Roseville in my life. So, um I don't understand what that is. I'm just taking pictures of anything I can see. Um that's I mean that's it. So, I don't understand what the automatic >> I am understanding. Do you understand why we're contacting? Yeah, but I don't understand what why I'm detained or what the big issue is as far as that goes as far as taking pictures of of >> to you where if this was someone at your home around your vehicle, if an officer got dispatched out there due to reasonable suspicion, they would detain that person, identify that person, and understand why are they around a vehicle that does not belong to them. That's awesome. That's why I'm explaining it to you. Same thing here. It says detective only. These are >> vehicles belonging to a detective. It's in a detective spot on a piece of property that's not open to the public. If you're up on a vehicle, there's reason suspicion that a crime may occur. >> After nearly 20 minutes of detention, all that remains is one question. Did the police really have a legal basis? Or was this a moment of blatant abuse of power? >> I'll just sit here and record, do what I was doing, take pictures, and it is what it is. I am actually right now. I'm just documenting that you guys don't know what you're doing. And it's pretty simple. You got a little snapping turtle right here. >> What are you doing? I said, "Oh, I'm taking pictures." You said, "Oh, okay. We know what you're doing. Remember? Remember that? We know what you're doing." So, it could have been, "Oh, you're taking pictures." "Oh, okay. We're gone. We're going to have a person watch you." You guys didn't do that, huh? You showed up in force. Cars driving everywhere. You guys came out like you're going to t tackle me. Horrible. Horrible. Horrible fail. >> Somebody called about you looking in the cars. We had to make sure that you weren't breaking in. >> Somebody called. Could it have been your dog catcher? I know that cuz I watched her call in. I watched them call in. >> I watched your dog catcher call in. I'm not dumb. I seen them. They watched me. They sat there and then I came. >> Obviously, you're just playing a game. So, that's cool. >> So, yes. Go back to work. There you go. See you guys later. Get her some more training. She needs a little bit more. I would have been super cool with you if you weren't pulling all that nonsense. Then why were you acting like that? >> I think you got pretty girl syndrome. Cuz you're pretty. You act like uh like that. That's the problem. >> The video shows a First Amendment audit fail. Rockland police mishandled the incident, violated lawful filming rights, made an unjustified detention, and tarnished the AY's image. This behavior could lead to a complaint, a civil lawsuit, or require the agency to retrain the officer. Next, in the middle of Edison Street, a man holding only a camera, but unexpectedly immediately cause the entire bank to call the police. >> Hear me now >> a little bit. >> All right. They're asking for you to leave from in front of this property, sir. Why may I ask why you reporting in front of this bank? Get something. >> Tense moment. Police show up, demand identification, and order people to leave. But do they really have the right? >> You could park. >> How you doing, sir? >> That's the best way you could park. >> Yes, it is. How you doing today? >> That's crazy. Where does somebody need to get you now? >> A little bit. >> All right. They're asking for you to leave from in front of this property. >> Can I get your name and badge number? >> 488. Officer Owens. >> Officer Owens. 488. >> Did you hear what I asked you? >> No. >> They're asking for you to be removed from in front of this property. >> Okay. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, you can record, but you can go down to that corner to the light, but not right here in front of me. You're still recording it. >> Huh? >> You're still standing here recording? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I asked you to not record right here in front of >> So, you asking me? >> I asked going on. >> What's going on? >> Let me see your ID. >> ID for what? >> Can I have your ID? No. >> Just so I can see who you are. >> No, you can't have my ID. >> Okay. >> You all over there. The camera ID in your face is in my face. It's pointed directly at you and I'm asking you not to. >> You asking again? >> Has your ID on you? No, I left I left my my wallet. Where you from? >> Do you live in Edison? >> Where you from? >> Do you live in Edison? >> I don't ask him questions like that. >> A heated dialogue erupted. The citizen fired back with an answer that left the officer speechless on the spot. >> It's not just people just going to have to stay here, >> okay? >> Cuz they're asking you to not record in front of their property. >> Okay. >> May I ask you why you're recording? >> I want to take pictures. >> But this is not a picture. This is like pictures. >> That's not a picture in the video. It's like multiple pictures all in one. >> May I ask why you're doing that? >> Yeah, >> sir. Why? May I ask why you're recording in front of this bank? Is it something that I can >> I like the building? >> They don't want you to record. >> I might want to buy this building one day. >> It's not for sale. >> It might be one day. Everything for sale. Everything got a price on it. >> Today it does not. Well, you don't have to build that. >> That's a backup. >> You know everything else. You tell me. You guys can 108. 10. Tell them to 108. Who? >> 547. >> 547. Hughes. Thank you, sir. >> Asking police on the property >> again. You asking me? >> Well, now I'm telling you. >> What are you going to do? You going to arrest me from standing here? Why? >> When police escalated, threatening trespass, man launched a legal argument that turned things around. >> Excuse me. >> Why I can't stand here? >> Because of what you're doing. >> What I'm doing? You tell me. >> I'm recording. >> And they don't want you. They're worried that you're going to be sending their customer. >> But isn't this a constitutionally protected activity that you then you are a customer complaining about you >> about what? >> Now you're bringing the problem. >> What are they complaining about though? >> Making them uncomfortable. They don't know in public. They don't watching me either. They got cameras looking at me. >> But you're here and they want I got the right to be here though, right? Okay. You can stand here all day, but they don't want the camera here. >> Okay. Well, you know, a lot of people want a lot of things, man. The building. I want to record the building. That is that a problem, though. >> But people are coming in here to spend their money with this bank and they have a right to say so. >> I don't know. Then they out in public. When you out in public, when you out in public, there's no expectation of privacy. >> Having a camera recorded at somebody. You have a debit card, right? And when you go to the bank, >> when I go to the bank, >> you got the ATM machine. Of course that every time >> when you go to the ATM they don't record you every time >> for the vision that's how they put in their >> well it ain't it ain't what you do when you it ain't what you look at when you recording it's what you do with the information with it there's no crime >> that that's so you just that's what you what are you saying then >> there's no calm >> it is a crime >> so now I got to have a reason to record >> I mean >> to take pictures >> you people just normally just stand and record >> yeah I'm taking pictures I ain't recording >> taking pictures of a bank Saturday. >> Yeah. What are you guys doing on a Saturday? You here watching me take pictures? I was You guys ain't got nothing to do. >> And then the shock. Without ever entering private property, he was warned of arrest. Was this evidence of blatant abuse of power? >> And when you got called here, you see me taking pictures. You see, I ain't doing nothing wrong. So you guys can leave. >> Nobody really just reports a bank. >> You know, it's weird. >> It ain't illegal, you know. Some things is weird. Another one for a man with a camera. This is crazy. And look how you guys park, man. Look how you guys parking. >> What's your name, man? >> I'm not giving you my name. >> All right. Well, listen. You can stand out there as long as you want. >> What's your name and badge number? >> What's your name and bag number? >> Oh, yeah. >> All right. See you later, Tyrant. You guys got nothing else to do but mess with a guy with a camera. It's crazy. I'm standing out here for for an hour now. Three cars for a man with a camera. Oh my god. Edison police. Edison police. She trying to tell me to leave the sidewalk. That's what she trying to tell me. To leave the sidewalk. My first time encounter with a female officer. And boy oh boy. Stay tuned y'all. We going we going we going to see what happened next y'all. Sir, just so you're aware, all right, you're being trespassed for PD Bank. Okay. >> How can you be >> on the property? You be arrested for >> How can you be trespassed? And I never been on the property. >> Private property. Okay. If you if you step back onto the property, we come back, you will be locked up for define trespassing. Okay. >> I'm giving you notice. >> You got a card? Where the police department at? >> Edison Police Department. >> All right. You got a card? >> No, I don't. >> All right. Cuz I'm You had your body cam when you was in there? You had your body cam on? All right. All right, I'm going to request that body cam from you. I am cuz you dirty. I know you dirty. You dirty. >> Yeah, you too. Good luck and be safe out there. >> Dirty ass. >> Citizens may sue public officials for violating their constitutional rights. Pursuant to 42 US Code SS1983, individuals/organizations are required to pay damages to the injured party, violating police officers may be disciplined, have their licenses suspended, fired, or expelled depending on the policy of the agency/ police chief. There was no formal arrest, but Edison police showed signs of corrupt authority by asking to leave and threatening to trespass without grounds. If an arrest were made, the incident could violate the First Amendment press and the Fourth Amendment, preventing arbitrary searches. Citizens can request body cam records, file internal complaints, and even file lawsuits. >> Put your hand back. >> Okay. Listen, if I'm conducting an investigation, >> you know, it's against the law, right? >> I had a call about a reckless driver. >> And who? >> You and him. >> In Montichello, Arkansas, refusing to show your ID is enough to land you in jail for knowing the law. Barely squeezing a throwing a bird at me. What? No, no, no. Yeah, he's going in the car. >> What do you think you're doing? >> I know you're under arrest cuz you're identified. >> Your ID. >> Cool. >> And I don't give you the right to go in my car. >> Well, you don't have to worry about that cuz you're under arrest. >> You just violated my right. >> No, I didn't. >> How do you think you did? >> A seemingly trivial traffic situation suddenly escalated into a breathtaking confrontation between citizens and police. >> That's what I did. You think I waved at you or you threw a bird at? >> You threw a bird at me. >> You sure about that? I'm out here talking to you. I'm going to get an ID. I ID everybody. >> You have no reason to be here. >> Well, I do have I do have a reason. >> I just heard somebody cussing. >> Atkins was cussing at my window. And then >> he refused to show ID and seconds later he was handcuffed in the middle of the parking lot. But what was really behind this lightning fast arrest? >> Barely squeezed in. Throwing a bird at me. What? No. No. No. I Yeah, you throwing a bird at me. Yes, you did. You think it's right that you're going to throw her at you? >> He threw a bird at you. >> You sure about it? >> Okay. >> I'll let you leave that. Okay. He cut you off. >> Okay. I'll let I'll let you, sir. I appreciate you. >> Hey, you got your ID on you? >> No. >> You don't have an ID? >> No. What do you need an ID for? >> I I'm out here talking to you. I'm going to get an ID. I need ID everybody. >> You have no reason to be here. >> Well, I do have an I do have a reason cuz I got a call. >> This is not attractive. I don't care what your call. >> Listen, if I'm conducting an investigation, >> you know, it's against the law, right? No, it's not. >> You violating our Fourth Amendment. What do you think you're doing? Right now you're under arrest cuz you're failing to identify. >> Okay. You know this. Give me your other hand. Stop. >> You know this is against the law. >> No sir. It's not against the law. >> No sir. >> You can't just stop and not >> Yes sir. I can. I have a reason to be here. I'm on a valid I had a call about a reckless driver. >> And who? >> You and me. Did you witness this? >> Okay. Can you witness and and perform a an arrest on something you didn't you didn't obstructing governmental operations? Do you have your e wallet on your ID? >> Cool. Well, you don't have to worry about that cuz you're under arrest and I can look in the door. >> No, you don't. You don't have the right. >> I do. >> No, you don't. You know this is a >> Sure. You know, you can take it up in court, buddy. >> With you. >> I don't have to take it up with you. This ain't court. Have a seat in there. >> Exactly. >> Can't leave this vehicle sitting in the middle of the parking lot. So, we going to check see if we get a tag or anything off of it. >> No warrant, no serious charges. So, why did the police search his car and find something they didn't expect? comes back to a black 2004 Dodge Fond January 26. Comes back to a Jason BL out of your insurance qualified immunity is gone. >> Huh? >> That's all they keep saying. Who is this? >> This is Jason White. >> Oh, what the heck? He says I am police. He said there's no reason I there's a call. >> That's what I There was a call. >> I know. >> I have a reason ID. I hope he's taken to jail. >> Oh, he's going to jail. Obstructing governmental operations. >> Is he the one that got out cussing? >> Yeah. >> Well, no, he was cussing, too. >> I just heard somebody cussing. >> Atkins was cussing at my window. And then >> he arrested his ID in the car. >> Call on them two road ra whatever. And he fell in ID said, "No, I'm not giving this is a qualified. I am the police." >> Why not? Right. >> Yeah. >> Why not? >> Cuz he said he don't have to. This is not it's not it's not a traffic stop and I don't have a right to ID. >> But I had a call on these two vehicles. I have a reason ID. >> I know. That's why I came to >> I didn't even see you go after >> when you when you was pulling in sports. >> I know the law and you broke it. A former police officer is now a victim of the very acts he was trained to prevent. >> I didn't violate law. >> Yeah, you violated my >> Okay. Well, it doesn't matter cuz I'm towing the video. Oh, your your lights do matter, but they don't matter to me cuz I'm doing my own. >> I'm doing right. >> My fourth amendment doesn't matter to you. >> Cool. >> You just violated my right. >> No, I didn't. >> How do you think you didn't? What what right did you have to ask my driver? >> Because I I've already identified him. I'm identifying you. >> What do you need to identify? >> Okay. >> You cannot ask my >> Sure. I can't. Yeah, you're right. Sure. But I'm going to tow your vehicle, too. 313 Penny. Go ahead and send me next list code 11 for that vehicle. >> All right, >> Pety, I'll be 106 conducting an inventory of this vehicle. >> You can if you want to. I mean, if there's anything on that side needs to be checked. over there. >> That's fine. I don't care. >> A statement that makes every officer wary. But do any of them realize the consequences that await after this action? >> I'm not I'm not talking to you. Back up. I'm not talking to you. Talk about it in front of the judge. >> Listen. >> No, I don't have to. >> I don't I'm not listening to you anyway. That's okay. >> Okay. >> Cool. >> Sure. At any point I did not violate your rights. >> I don't refuse to identify. Okay, sure. >> Anyway, that's what you're >> uh she come over there. You got your driver's license? >> Yeah, I >> What? I thought you were Atkins. No. >> Yeah. I ain't Robert. >> I thought you were Robert. >> That's okay. >> You don't remember me, but I I used to work at Ashley. >> I remember you. >> The bad part is I used to work for him, too. He >> I worked I worked at the same department he did right after he left. He was a cop. >> He's just an ass. >> It's just everybody an ass, dude. Apologize for my language, ma'am. >> But that's all I need was just your ID. Um, he's just going to do a report. >> Yes, sir. I am going to be doing a report on everything. >> Are you going to arrest? >> Yes, sir. >> Yes, sir. He's going to jail and I'm towing his vehicle cuz I I give me your ID. I don't I mean, I'm not asking you. I'm telling you, you're going to give me your I mean, I have a reason, especially whenever this call. >> All right. >> Jason said he would sue, alleging that the police violated his Fourth Amendment rights. The case highlights a series of police abuses and excessive force, raising serious questions about the legality of the arrest, vehicle search, and property seizure. Three cop cars just to guard one camera. How scary for the First Amendment. Hey guys, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and help us donate. Thank you so much. [Music]