Are you familiar with for? >> So you need to leave them. >> Now I'm talking to her. >> You need them, >> right? >> But if that's security or private security, >> right? >> So here's what it is. It's unlawful conduct on public property. I'll be honest with you. You know, nobody likes to watch the good stuff. >> So you're not going to get that many >> just because of a single camera. An entire public system pushed itself straight into a legal pitfall. >> Well, they they can't stop me from coming in the building. It's a public building. You know what I They they physically stopped me. Then that's >> person. No. No. You know what it is? Because And you're bringing up a valid point. I agree with you. An >> anonymous sign and a locked door. The beginning of a legal storm threatening both the medical facility and its security force. The moment you step inside, a mysterious legal opinion sign appears, marking the start of a rule that doesn't exist anywhere in the law. >> Is that right for him not to come back in? >> Don't let him in. From a simple question, the manager in Red instantly turned into the expulsion officer, unaware that every word was being recorded. >> Hi. >> Hey, how you doing? >> All right. I'm sorry. We don't have to ask you to um to leave the building. We can't have any recording of filming. >> Yeah, I'm going to leave after I file a foyer with you guys. Are you familiar with Foyer? >> So, you need to leave, sir. >> No, I'm talking to her. >> You need to leave, sir. >> Okay. I'm speaking to her, though. The one the one that's more a professional. >> It's okay. >> So, so are you familiar with Foyer? I'm going to have to ask you something. >> I am. As soon as I'm done with the official business that I have, I'm going to call the office. >> Oh, wow. [sighs] This lady right here came out. Y'all can tell she got hands as you can tell. Very unprofessional. Not even willing to um hear that we have to file a foyer. Um, like I said, we was just here a year ago. Uh, Cook County Sheriff were here, came and educated everyone here that we have this right. Um, and they're trying to infringe on it again. So, we'll see how this goes. Everybody's watching. As you can see, the sign says, "No photos, videos, or recordings may be taken in this area." And again, they are, as you guys can see, that camera is up there. >> So-called legal opinion with no laws, no codes is being used to block cameras and silence citizens. So, who is really behind this piece of paper? >> Hold on. We'll see. I'll stay >> location. So, please ask them to leave. And if not, we're going to ask them to be arrested and we will sign complaints. Okay. >> Oh, so um hold on one second. I got you here. um trying to get this the state's attorney's information. >> Yeah, you see it on that car with the big um car that the that the um police department >> she's trying to get the state's attorney's information. However, as you can see on these signs, there are no statutes or codes saying that um a law is being broken. >> And and again, as you guys can see, they're doing exactly what they said we can't do right there. doesn't make any sense. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. I'll we'll call you back if we need you. >> Okay. I'll send home. >> Okay. That's fine. Thank you. >> Obviously, she's speaking to someone of a higher authority. Okay, that's okay. You want to speak? We can talk about that. >> Patient I have with us that >> Oh, here's patient care. This is my patient care right here. This is a lobby. So, of course, you can't go to the back and record. That makes more sense. In the middle of business hours, the doors of a public building are suddenly locked. And it's not just one person being shut out. An entire set of civil rights is being locked in with it. >> I'm just man ready to, you know, probably jot down my foyer, man. Like I was just telling them after I filed my foyer with them, I'll be sent for today, man. But of course, I have a right to document that process, you know. Wait, that seems all the time. >> Oh, so it's their policy what they want to do if they let you back in or not. You know, it's on them >> in terms of the policy. >> No, as far as letting you back in the building. >> Well, they they can't stop me from coming in the building. [music] It's a public building. You know what I mean? If they they physically stop you, then that'll be assault. But >> Well, yeah, but policy. If they want to lock the door, they can lock the door. >> No, they they ain't supposed to do that. >> They're not supposed to. >> Yeah. Well, at least you know. Well, at least you know. They ain't supposed to do that. Don't let him in. >> That would be on your man's policy. You have security. >> So, so you have a he can't come in. >> So, so, so they they going to write up a specific policy today not to let me in. >> And you encouraging that. >> I'm that's they I'm not encouraging that. I'm encouraging. >> You are though. You just told them what to Well, you that's what you should have told them shows when you first came in. You said, "Look, man, they got a right. Leave them be." >> They want to be [laughter] I am. >> Right. But if that's they have security here, private security, they can deem that to lock the doors or not lock the doors. That's nothing policy. It's not breaking the law. >> That is breaking the law. If you lock if you lock a public building during normal business hours, >> where's your business? >> Well, the first business I had was to document like I'm doing. And the second thing is a file foyer. Both of those are rights that are guaranteed to us. >> You can get a foyer from here. >> Yeah, you can submit one with any public entity. Yeah. >> Were you a patient here ever? >> No. No. No. This is just we just coming in trying to >> when the female sergeant arrived and said you can only enter if you need medical treatment. That sentence closed the door on everything but also opened a legal nightmare for the entire system behind her. >> What's going on? >> Well, today um coming in trying to do two things. We're trying to exercise our first amendment rights to record in public and to file for it. Both of those are rights that are guaranteed. And uh just to sum it all up, they're being infringed on and my rights have been trampled on right now. They're trying to get you guys to aid them in that. That's where we're at. >> Are you a patient here? >> No. >> Do So you're trying to foyer them in regards to what? >> Public records, not private records. Did you take a copy of the scan cue of the QR code that's on the back of that paperwork that she's holding for in regards to foyer? >> Nuh-uh. She just gave me a before you guys came, she gave me a foyer request form to submit. >> Okay. And that's typically how you get foyer. They can't give you any information here. >> Yeah, I know. So, so how it works, I'll fill out the I fill it out here. >> Uhhuh. >> And I give it back to them for a stamp received copy >> and they submit it. They send it to their public information office. [music] Kind of like if I came to your your office, I would give you one, but you wouldn't give me the information. You would just forward it. Same thing they have to do. >> Your official business and a public health facility that >> taxpayers are funded, of course. Obviously, that's what makes it a public property. It's not a private property. I >> I understand. Okay. >> I'm very Oh, okay. Okay. I was hoping, wishing, and praying because if if so, we wouldn't be here right now with my rights trying to be trampled on. Citizens may sue public officials for violating their constitutional rights pursuant to 42 US code SS1983. Individuals/organizations are required to pay damages to the injured party. Violating police officers may be disciplined, have their licenses suspended, fired, or expelled depending on the policy of the agency/ police chief. Even small violations of rights, like blocking a door or refusing a foyer request, can trigger serious consequences for both the agency and the individuals involved. Up next, the moment the camera was raised, a security guard rushed out to confront us, yet refused to identify himself. >> Public domain. >> Yeah, you're out here on the sidewalk. You can't film inside, but >> No, of course. We wouldn't even want to go inside. >> And now, let me ask you, since we're here, can I just get your name and badge number? >> Uh, sure. Robert Famro. >> Okay. >> 06089. >> That's how it's done. >> Okay. >> Very professional. Thank you. Appreciate that. And I appreciate be appreciate you being cordial as well. Okay. >> That goes a long way. You know, when somebody comes across to me like that, I'm happy to have a conversation with you. >> Sure. >> Um, so as far as filming inside of the building, that's prohibited. Well, so it's uh a public building, but >> what happens is once you come inside, we have people in there who are seeking help and assistance and they don't want to be filmed and in their vulnerable times. So, we ask that people not do it. We actually there's a state law that actually mandates that certain government buildings we can set restrictions on. This is one of >> Now, would that be for restricted areas or is that for public areas of the building? >> Anywhere inside this building? >> Anywhere inside the building. So it's is that a you >> again it's just it's it's a matter of public decency. >> Oh no I I understand that >> people who come here are at the literally bottom rung sometimes and they don't want to be fil looking for help and looking for assistance and doing >> well if you notice we stayed outside so you can you can get a good feeling that I respect that. Yeah. Yeah. No problem at all. Um but so and the only reason I'm asking you these questions so I can be clear on what the regulations are so I don't violate any regulations because I'm not interested in doing that. Um but as far as not filming inside the building. So you you mentioned state law. That's actually a state law. >> There is a state law. >> Or is that a policy of the bill? >> No, it's a state law. It was enacted by legislature a few years ago. If you gave me a few minutes, I could get you a copy of it. >> Oh, that would be great if you could. Yeah, I'd appreciate that. >> Awesome. >> A police officer showed up and within seconds, the tension was razor sharp until an unexpected shift flipped the entire situation upside down. >> A man of his word. >> I'm liking you more and more by the minute. >> So here's what it is. It's unlawful conduct on public property. Basically, the whole law here outlines everything. I'll let you read it. CRS uh 189-117 and basically allows public buildings to set what type of activities can happen inside the building and in some cases like police lobbies. We don't want >> recording in and it's it's posted at police lobbies. We don't want uh >> in a police lobby. Really? I've been I can't tell you how many police lobbies I've been into and I've never been asked not to record. >> Most of the time we won't we won't even mess with you. Um, it's it's gives us the ability to tell you, hey, please stop filming. That way, if we had somebody who came in, I got you. >> And said, you know, let's say we had somebody uh reporting a sex assault at the the station lobby, okay? >> And somebody happened to come in with a camera, we can, hey, look at the sign here. >> Now, let me just let me just say this, and I get that 100%. I mean, I'm not looking to pry into anybody's underwear drawer. That's the last thing I'm, you know, I don't even want to go there. Um, but at the same time, if somebody comes in with some very personal, sensitive discussion to be had like that or a complaint to file or an issue like that, wouldn't you take them into a private room? >> In some cases, we would, in some cases, we we can't. Um, you know, for instance, at 8:30, 9:00 at night, we may not have the personnel available to bring that person into a secure area of a police station. >> Okay. >> Now, now, >> you know what it is? Because, and you're bringing up a valid point. I agree with you. you don't want us to trample on anybody else's rights, right? But then by not allowing us to record, >> that person's needs are trampling on my rights. >> So, it's a it's a two-way street. >> Not necessarily. We The Supreme Court has long upheld rules about time, manner, and and circumstances. And we're allowed to dictate, you know, you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater. >> No, you can't. >> Okay. There. So there's there's limitations on how much you can >> well well but the Supreme Court's also ruled that you can't trust somebody's uh trespass somebody's eyes. So basically whatever I can see >> sudden law was presented no filming inside the building. But the moment that paper appeared a flood of big questions erupted with it. >> You're not the person to make that decision anyway. >> Well, you're just following orders. Right. >> Right. >> I'm just following the state law. >> Right. Right. Exactly. >> So I appreciate you know you had you had our our security guards out here. They get agitated because they see this because employees are going to them. And so he came out there. He's like, "Let me tell you something." He He walked out the door agitated. I think you could tell from just talking to me, I I vibe off of your vibe. And that's somebody else's. Somebody said that to me the other day and I like the way that goes, you know, and I'm sure when you guys are out on patrol, you pull somebody over. >> If he's a nice guy, you're going to be nice. If it's somebody throwing you an attitude, you're going to get a little bit of an attitude. So we all we all vibe off each other. >> So the security guard didn't come out and get upset with me. He walked out the door upset. Well, what >> and it's all on video and that's why we report what happens in these [snorts] things is employees go to the security guards first. We're in here not to to keep the piece of the building. We're here for people to report crimes to us. >> Well, you're here to keep the piece of the building as well. >> Well, to some degree, but the security guards are our front line for that. Okay. >> Well, security guard's job is just to observe and report. You guys are the ones that take the action. >> And so, people go in started complaining to him. So, he came out here to talk to you. Then he came, you know, when he got uh uh frustrated with you guys, he came in and immediately got us. I'm like, "Hey, you heard what I told him, right? You guys can film out here. I don't have any issues that if uh uh one of the higherups here say, "Hey, they don't want you to film out here, then we'll cross that red country." But I've never heard that. The only thing that we ask is that we don't have open filming going on inside the >> No. And I get that. I just think that the security guard, you know, and I say this all the time, and I'm sure you guys will agree with me, deescalation is key. Um, and once things >> it's it's a policy of ours. >> Police say they're just following the law while security keeps escalating between these two extremes. Who is actually abusing their authority? >> Believe in the Constitution. Okay. You guys swear an oath to it, right? It's a very important thing and I think the Constitution's taken a beating lately and our rights are being eroded in this country faster than we keep up with. >> So what we're doing is we're just out in public exercising our rights >> because rights are like muscles and if you don't exercise them, you lose them. Yep. >> That's all we're doing. Simple as that. We're just out to take video and find out what kind of a reaction we're going to get and hopefully educate someone. We're looking for the good reactions more than I'm looking for bad reactions. But we like to find the bad reactions, too, because that gets me views on YouTube. >> I'll be honest with you. You know, nobody likes to watch the good stuff. Yeah. >> So, you're not going to get that many views because you were a good guy. >> Trust me, I've had plenty of views. I'm [laughter] >> Have you had experience with an auditor somewhere else or No, never been on YouTube. All right. Um, well, and you know, just to keep it simple, that's all it is. So, I just think, you know, if I can leave here today knowing that maybe you'll just pat the guy on the back. He didn't do anything terrible. They just pat him on the back, whisper to him, and say, "Hey, the guy was nice. I maybe you want to just be a little nicer next time. I don't know if you can do that because he's not in your department." >> He doesn't work for me, but uh, you know, we have a very good working relationship with all of staff. >> Good. >> And so, I'm I'm usually pretty good at uh uh talking with security guards. So, we'll we'll discuss it with them, let let them know. You know, I my guess is this is his first >> uh first rodeo >> experience with this and I'm sure you've seen that people when they deal with this for the first time, whether it be a citizen or a lot of my own officers that I supervise, they don't know how to, you know, where to respond. And we've at the Denver Police Department, we put out some pretty good information on how to respond to. >> You have the training. We still have our our few officers that come out there and maybe don't do exactly what we want them to do, but that's, you know, we have an agency with 1500 individual personalities. >> When the conversation shifted to the Constitution and civil rights, everything suddenly became clearer. Yet, it also exposed a dangerously large legal loophole. Next, a traffic stop for a broken headlight ends with the threat of being dragged from the car and taken straight to jail. What makes a simple situation so tense? >> I've already tried to explain things to you. Way past what I have to >> You can either give me your name right now. >> Sure. My name is Brentton, man. >> Yeah, that's that's good for starters. >> You can run my name all you want. I'm clean. I have nothing. >> How would you react if you were asked to leave your car? This is not just a conversation between police and citizens, but a warning about the fine line between power and abuse. >> I do? >> Yep. >> Oh, >> it just comes loose, man. We can I jump out and fix it? >> Yeah, you can hop out in a minute here when I'm I'm finished doing my business here. >> Can I see your driver's license, registration, insurance, please? >> Yes, absolutely. >> Do you got an ID on you too, sir? There, >> please. >> Uh, no, I don't actually. >> You don't have any ID at all? >> No, I don't have it on me now. >> Okay. >> I have my wallet. Sorry. >> Where you guys guys coming from? >> Super one. >> Uh, yeah, but we're out in San Point. Your place's here from Sanpoint. I live >> No, I I live here. Um I'm from Sandpoint. >> Okay. So, you're coming from Super One tonight? >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> And then what's your business here at Liberty >> here? Where? >> At the gas station. >> Oh, >> why are you asking us so many questions? >> I'm asking anything I can. >> Don't interrupt me. >> That's rude, man. Like, you just stopped us for a headlight. Why are you asking us all that? >> I'm allowed to answer questions that are pertaining to the traffic stop. How is what we're doing pertaining to the headlight? >> Okay. Registration and insurance. I asked you where you just came from. >> I know. How does that pertain to the headlight? >> There's Idaho case law that uh backs up what I'm saying. So, >> registration and insurance. >> Um my baby is 6 weeks old. >> It's cold. I >> If you don't stop If you don't stop, I'm going to rip you out of the car and you're going to go to jail. >> What? For what? >> For you're obstructing my investigation at this point. >> He's looking for >> I'm trying to gather the vehicle documents. I'm asking you questions that pertain to the traffic stop. He's reaching all over. So, >> the registration, >> you asked where we're coming from when you stopped us for a headlight. >> The baby was only 6 weeks old and then things escalated to a [music] point where it seemed impossible to control. Did the people do something wrong or is there something being hidden? >> You need to calm down. >> This is the registration. >> Is this what you're looking for, sir? >> This is a routine traffic stop. I already I told you it's right here. >> What is your first name? I'm going to ask you one more time and then you're going to go to jail. >> For what? >> You're not wearing your seat. Going to jail for what? >> My name is Brenton. My name is Brenton. >> Get out of the car. >> Please don't. Our baby is 6 weeks old. Man, we just need to get home. >> Get out of the car right now. Shut the car off. >> Go stand in front of my car right now. >> Can I speak to >> Go stand in front of I am the supervisor on shift. You're the supervisor on shoot. >> Turn around. Space away from me. >> I don't know. >> Face away from me and put your hands on top of your head. Not searching you for weapons. You're making me nervous cuz I have no idea why you're acting so irrationally. >> I don't know why you're asking where we're coming from >> and we don't have to answer them. Like I don't know why. >> Okay. Well, whatever. You don't >> Why would you ask them? >> I'm allowed to >> for the headlight. >> Okay. I'm not going to go in cuz I've already tried to explain things to you >> way past what I have to. So, can I just >> You can either give me your name right now. >> Sure. My name is Brenton, man. >> Yeah, that's that's good for starters. >> You can run my name all you want. I'm clean. I have nothing. >> Then why do you why do you got to give me the attitude and give me the runaround? >> Cuz I think it's really ridiculous you're going >> Well, that's cool. If you don't like that, go move to Washington then. I don't care. >> I'm not going to move to Washington. Why do you treat me like that? You're a public servant, man. >> Thank you. Middle name? >> Peter. >> Last name? >> Andereer. A N D E R E G G. What's your name? Slow down. >> And badge number. You do have to give me that. >> Tell me your last name. >> A N D. >> Slow down. >> A N. >> Okay. >> D E. >> A cop with a car with loose headlights. But this video is about more than just traffic laws. It's a clear illustration of the question, when does power become threat? >> I I we haven't encountered much law enforcement. Okay. So, I haven't um noticed any issue in the past. whenever we have. He's generally pretty respectful. Um >> I don't know. I do apologize though. I mean, obviously, you know, I just got out of the shower and my hair is still wet. It's just >> um Well, no, it's just a headlight stop. Your headlight your headlights out. >> Are either of you on probation or parole? Is there any reason why he is so nervous like that? Do you have anything inside your vehicle maybe you don't want me to be concerned about? >> No, absolutely not. Tobacco, cigarettes >> for him or you? >> For me. >> Okay. because it looked for a second you're gonna roll to the pump and then you kind of a little bit further. >> I was like I didn't want to block the front of their business. It's a lot smaller here. So like nobody's even coming here since we've been here really. I just didn't want to block up the front of their business >> over they turn into the first gas or the first gas station and then they pull around and then they slowly come to a stop. So that can make me my my sentence is a little heightened and it's not a crime, but it just sometimes people normally >> and then >> I'm in I'm asking questions about a license plate that's out of Sandp Point and where you're coming from. Then he said super one. I was like normally people in their license plate are from Sandpoint. They're normally from Sandpoint, you know, nine times out of 10. And then >> um getting um and then the vehicle doesn't even come back to you. It comes back to a Sherry. Who's Sherry? >> My mom. Cuz your driver's license is Kayla. >> And so the vehicle is registered in my name. You mean the Oh, the entrance. Yes. Yeah. >> Cuz at first that's all I had as well though >> cuz when I originally cuz that's the only thing I got at first. So any questions me >> is everything. >> Yeah. He's good. He's not going to jail. He's close but he's not as long as we have a conversation and he wants to >> leave here tonight. Yeah. So Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we would love to go home and I apologize for any inconvenience. >> After seeming gentle with the wife, the police still came and warned Brenton once more. But the police probably still did not know the unpredictable consequences of their actions. >> Um, future reference, when I ask for your name, I have a legal reason to ask for your name. Unless you want to get booked into jail for a misdemeanor offense, you will give me your name. Does that make sense to you? Your wife. But when I'm asking questions that pertain to the traffic stop, there's Kate's law. my that substantiates that over I have nothing to do with her driving. >> I I literally just explained that to you. >> Per Idaho law, you can look up I don't have the code on hand per Idaho state law. I could have wrote you a $10 ticket for I didn't you know if but if you want to >> if you think you have legal Davis >> if you think you have to go >> some legal knowledge go for it. I don't care >> for what? >> Resist obstruction. I literally just told you that twice. >> Okay. >> Okay. So have a good night. >> You too. >> Good night. In Idaho, the Fourth Amendment, the United States Constitution, protects citizens rights against [music] unreasonable searches and seizures. A warrantless search and seizure is dismissed by the courts and cannot be used, a principle that prevents law enforcement misconduct [music] and protects citizens privacy. Davis did not arrest Brenton, but the forced identification, threats of detention, inappropriate conduct, and prolonged traffic stop could be considered a violation of the Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure of a citizen's rights under the US Constitution. This could result in an internal complaint, legal action from the ACLU or attorney general, and an internal or federal investigation. If a citizen comes forward, every citizen [music] deserves to be treated with transparency, kindness, and integrity because that is not only the law, it is the fundamental morality of a civilized society. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much.