Were you asked to leave >> No, no one's asked me to leave the building. >> I'm asking. >> You don't have authority to You don't have authority to trespass me. Do >> So, what does it do for you? Why are you wasting your time bothering every single person here? >> I'm not really bothering anybody. >> Because of nothing more than a camera, a routine encounter quickly turned into a high-stakes confrontation as those charged with enforcing the law found themselves challenged by a citizen who knew his rights. And the cost of overstepping authority may not end with a simple apology. >> Trespass is >> Evict would be if I lived here. That that an eviction is if I lived here. I don't live here. I'm I'm just here. >> we can use the word eject. We try to get both sides of the story cuz we know that the truth is someplace in between. If we didn't do that, then >> A man holding a camera was enough to throw the entire scene into turmoil. But once police stepped in, the line between law enforcement and the violation of citizens' rights suddenly came into question. Just minutes after walking into a government building, one man found himself at the center of a tense confrontation with security personnel. But when police arrived, what happened next caught many people completely by surprise. >> I would like to do the What they typically typically have journalists do is they call me and tell me they come in and they ask me if it's okay for them to come take it. >> Oh, yeah, no. I I don't do that. >> You don't do that? >> No, only because only because we have freedom of press in this country. That's why. I don't need your permission to do that. >> Typically how it's done is that I'm somebody calls me and says, "We want to come over and we want to record something." Because I don't know whether these people want you recording them. >> Well, like I said, every you They're being recorded no matter what. And that's public recordings [music] that, you know, anybody from a member of the public can can get. Yeah, they can get >> I'll call an attorney and ask an attorney. >> Sure, yeah. That's fine. That's fine. >> Do me to Do to >> work for the county or you uh You don't work for the county? I said independent, so that means for myself. I work for myself. Mhm. Are you a Are you a private security here or do you work for the county, ma'am? Okay. All right. Well, thank you guys. What do you mean? >> I need you to not go in and record. >> I'm just peace I'm just I'm not a threat to anybody. >> Metro Legal and ask them if it's appropriate. Okay. Again, I don't know if it is or not. >> Okay. >> And again, I know that there's there's that there are there are some folks who just want to come in. And And here's the thing. Uh um you may be able to do this. I just want to get permission. >> Yeah. Well, until you figure that out, I'm going to just going to go about my business because I I don't want to >> But But are you are you conducting business here? >> Yeah, I am conducting business. >> So, what are you doing here? >> That's great. I'm working on a story. I told you I'm a journalist. I'm working on a story. >> I'm going to look at that. >> What's going on, sir? >> are you? >> Good. Good. What's going on? >> Uh do you mind if I get your name and badge number? >> I don't have a badge number. My name is Captain Tilton. I'm the supervisor here on site. How can I help you? >> Um I really don't need any help. I'm just taking some pictures and video. >> Sure. So, actually, you can't be inside a government building filming at all. >> Really? You can't You can't be uh You can't be in a government building filming at all? >> Not at all. No, sir. No, anywhere outside the building in the parking lot is perfectly acceptable. Inside the government government building, not at all. >> Okay. So, I I just don't understand. Why would that be? This is a public building, right? No, but I'm saying is this No, I'm just asking the captain. Is this a public building? >> No, it's not. >> Oh, okay. Okay. I'm I'm just asking you, is this a public building? >> No, sir. It's a government building. >> What would be the difference between government and public? >> Anything you want it to be, sir. We've already We've already explained to you a couple times. >> that's not the case, though. This is a public building. This is open to to public. >> Well, I'd be happy to debate with you outside >> The argument quickly intensified when an officer introduced a legal concept as what seemed to be a trap designed to force the man to back down. But after only a few responses, the entire situation began to shift because the officer never expected him to understand the law so well. >> Were you asked to leave the building? >> No, no one's asked me to leave the building. Somebody with authority would have to ask me to leave the building, which would be a public official. >> Who you just spoke to, which is Ms. Wynn, who walked out here with the lady in the >> And she did And she did not ask She said she was going to contact legal. >> Okay. >> Which is probably the smartest move because unlawfully trespassing somebody from a public building >> Well, first of all, if we're going to go into legal speak, let's use proper legal speak. Unlawful trespassing Trespassing in itself is unlawful, correct? Trespassing means you're somewhere you're not supposed to be. So, to unlawfully trespass you is not what's happening, nor is that something that's possible. >> Well, yeah, it's it's 100% unconstitutionally. There you go. Unconstitutionally trespass me. There you go. >> What is the definition of trespass? >> To remove somebody from a building. >> Incorrect, sir. Trespassing is to be on a site without permission. >> Yeah, without permission, correct. >> Right. Right. >> Correct. >> has to step outside if you wish [music] to talk to my girl legal. >> Okay. Well, I would ask I don't know what authority Are you law Are you Are you law enforcement here? >> We are security for the building. >> You're security guards, correct? Why wouldn't you ask questions? What does that I'm answering questions, am I not? I am. >> I was told I was supposed to step outside. Does she want >> I I understand that this is a public building. >> I understand that, sir. >> I'm just going to This is a public building now. Yeah, this is a This is a pub I'm not being Am I being a disturbance of any kind? How? How? >> You were asked to leave the building. >> Until she comes down, I can make a phone call. >> How? Okay, but I'm I'm asking You don't have authority to You don't have authority to trespass me, do you? I I law enforcement officers would have that authority. >> Wait one. Wait one. I'm not being a disturbance. I'm I'm not I am not I am not I am Yes, she asked me. There's a difference between asking somebody Do you want to get into legal talk, like you just said? There's a difference between asking somebody to leave the building and ordering them to leave the building. Asking me, I can politely decline, respectfully decline. If you're ordering me to leave a building by law by threat of arrest from a law enforcement officer, not a security officer. Your job as a security officer is to observe and report. That's your job. Observe and report. >> As the argument over trespassing began to fall apart, the confrontation suddenly took a more dangerous turn. Then, a seemingly simple question ignited the most heated and explosive debate of the entire encounter. >> The the Who What agency would What agency would create them? >> There's nobody in the press issued a press pass. >> [music] >> Who are they issued by? >> People that work for us. >> Oh, okay. I work for myself. >> So, you're not a journalist. You're just here filming. >> Because you're Because you're an independent journalist doesn't mean you're not a journalist. In the Constitution, it doesn't say you have freedom of press only if you work for MSNBC and CNN. It says that you have the freedom of press. And I'm just peacefully, not raising my voice, I'm not using language, I'm not interrupting business, I'm not I'm not blocking anybody from conducting business. I'm not blocking anybody from conducting business here. I'm not making a scene. You asked me to walk over here to the lobby area. >> [music] >> I complied with that to speak with you guys. I'm not blocking business. I'm not interrupting business. See, when you when you're in a public building and you trespass somebody from a public building, they would have to be disrupting business. Like if I'm in there making a scene, you know, blocking people from getting services. I'm in a public lobby right now, and I'm just telling you that I'm here [music] peacefully exercising my First Amendment right. That's all I'm doing here. I'm not I don't want to cause a scene. >> real quick. The word you're looking for is evict from the building. You cannot trespass somebody from the building. >> For sure, you can. Of course, that's that's >> Trespass trespass is >> Evict would be if I lived here. That that an eviction is if I lived here. I don't live here. I'm I'm just here. >> we can use the word eject. >> I guess eject, but the legal >> Trespass itself is illegal. So to say unlawfully trespass >> But but the but the trespass be from the building, that's you write a trespass warning. So you're not an officer, but you would write a trespass warning. >> employed by the sheriff's office, sir. >> Oh, okay. >> DCSO. Yeah. >> You're good Okay, so you >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But you don't have law enforcement You don't have law I wasn't trying to belittle you or anything. I'm just trying to say >> sure we watch what we say. It's fine. >> Oh, I mean, I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm just telling you that you don't have authority over over me. You're not law enforcement. You're security officer, which your job is to observe and report. I'm not I'm not raising my voice. You're not raising your voice. >> Right. >> Just as tensions reached their breaking point, a sergeant arrived and presented a view that completely contradicted everything that had been said before. With only a few brief remarks, he turned the entire situation on its head. >> All right, sir. We're going to stick you up with Sergeant Jaeger. He'll make sure you stay in places you're allowed to be. >> Oh, great. Isn't that great? Everywhere that's public. Everywhere that's public. Sergeant Jaeger >> Hello, brother. How you doing today? >> Hey, how you doing? >> I'm good. Glad to hear that. >> You have a great day now. You take care. >> You doing all right, brother? >> Yeah, that's it. >> I'm glad to hear >> Yeah. Hey. Can you Is this your boss over here? >> No, I'm his boss. >> You're his boss? >> I'm a major. >> You're his You're sergeant, not my boss. >> Yes, sir. >> You're You're major. Major. He deserves a commendation because he knows he knows our first amendment rights. >> he's different though. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no problem, man. No problem, man. >> Sir. >> No, but they were they they were trying to, you know, I'm being peaceful, man, and and they're >> That's cool. I mean >> And they're like, "Hey, you don't have >> As long as you're not just following somebody around and around. >> No, that's That would be harassment, following people, [music] you know, trying to incite people. >> You record, you know, I'm cool with it. >> Yeah. >> I don't care about the first amendment right. I understand. >> Cool, man. You're going to be a crowd favorite. >> So, what was the issue with the officer yesterday? >> Um yeah, nothing. I was in there and they just had, you know, people you can't record people because they have, you know, a right to privacy. And I explained to them that, you know, the minute you leave your house and the minute you're in a public setting, you don't have an expectation of privacy. That's why and I thought it was pretty ironic that there's cameras everywhere and then you're telling me that they have a right to privacy, but we're all being recorded. You know what I mean? >> Yeah, I mean, a lot of it's, you know, cameras are protected. >> Oh, for sure. But anybody but those are public cameras, so that means you can get you can get the footage. >> get the footage. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you're absolutely right. >> Exactly. So, it just doesn't really make kind of sense, but and, you know, I'm peaceful. I know there's people that, you know, film and they don't you know, they try and maybe >> No, well, like I said, I appreciate you coming over here and talking to me. >> No, no, no, yeah, for sure. I don't want to Yeah, no, no not a problem. I don't want to escalate the situation. I'm all about de-escalating. Let's calm down. Nobody wants to I don't I don't want my rights violated. I don't want to go to jail and lose my freedom. >> No, no, no, I I >> I I said, I understand that. Um you did conduct, you know, any sort of business in there? >> Um yeah, I I wanted to do an open records request, but I need to figure out exactly who do I go to for it. >> the proper paperwork for it, is that what they were asking? And I'm >> Um yeah, exactly. I think she was going to let me know how to the county clerk was going to let me know where we going to let me know where I was supposed to go. >> the law was in my favor. Did she say she'd get back right with you, man? >> Um yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. Yeah, no problem, [clears throat] man. No problem. No problem. >> In the end, [music] the man's rights were finally acknowledged, but just when it seemed the matter was settled, an unexpected statement raised a new question. Who, if anyone, would be held accountable? >> That's it of this area. >> So, are you guys going to tag along with me? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's I can't stop you. Can't stop you. I'm going to submit a complaint against you, just so you know. Like I was being a real jerk. >> So you just have to go 40 days just kind of acting like a normal citizen. I mean, I understand. >> Yeah. No, I just >> Kind of defeats the purpose when you ask me to, you know. >> [laughter] [music] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wouldn't do that. Only public areas. Your name again was? Your name again? >> Uh Sergeant Jaeger. >> Sergeant Jaeger? >> Yep. >> Thanks for being reasonable. >> Yep, that's me. >> Take care. >> The story came to an end with the man's rights finally being recognized, but it also served as a powerful reminder that authority only has true value when it is exercised with knowledge, accountability, and respect for the rights of every citizen. Next, a camera, an and a confrontation no one saw coming. Within minutes, tensions escalated as a woman's repeated actions left many people asking one question, who was really crossing the line? >> Straight up. People alone. Bye. >> What? Come on, don't don't get all don't get all disorderly. >> You're literally causing problems. You were coming up to my car. >> Calm it down. Calm it down. Calm it down. I don't I'm not talking to you. >> Okay. What's your name? My name >> Next you know you're going to block my path. That's a crime. >> going to. No, it's not. Do you know filming a minor is a misdemeanor? >> That's not a >> It's actually a felony. >> Call the cops. >> We already did. >> Yeah. >> They're coming. >> Okay. All right. Just don't get Just don't do anything that's going to get you in jail today. >> Trust me, dude. I know. You're walking closer to me. If you touch me, that's your problem. >> Blocking my path is a misdemeanor. >> blocking you from filming the inside of a federal building and people who >> building. >> And people who are declining their >> Public building. There's no privacy in public, so. It's a It's a civil right, so. Come on. >> You think you're doing something besides annoying people. That's the thing, dude. >> You're annoying me, so. >> I congrat shits. >> It's none of your business. >> point? Can I ask? What is the point of this? Can I'm genuinely asking. What is your concern and what is the word or the message that you are trying to spread? >> You think I'm going to tell you when you're that rude? >> I'm not asking hostile. I'm asking. >> you think I'm going to answer your questions? >> What did I do? >> on camera, don't worry. >> You won't even tell me what you're trying to tell people. >> don't have to tell you. I don't have to tell you anything. >> So then what are you doing? You're just causing problems. >> How am I causing problems? >> By filming people. You're not even spreading a message. >> So? >> So what does it do for you? Why are you wasting your time bothering every single person here? >> I'm not really bothering anybody. >> You are. Literally everybody who has said, "I don't want to be filmed." You're bothering them. >> Well, they have a problem then. >> You have a problem. >> No, I don't. There's cameras everywhere. >> is the What is your What is the deal? >> That's disgusting. >> Well, then what are you doing? You're wearing a ski mask in front of a post office scaring intimidating ladies who are afraid to come out inside. >> Cry about it. Just cry about it. >> When arguments alone were no longer enough to stop this mysterious man, a more aggressive move was made. But what happened after the police arrived caught more than a few people by surprise. >> Yeah, you'll have You'll have to talk to them. They're They're the ones that called and wasted you guys your your guys' time, so No. Every Every legal activity here, all on camera. Just Just some I don't know. They're just They're saying they're scared, but they're not leaving. Doesn't really make any sense. So. Yeah. Yeah, man. Howdy. Yeah, I was just telling them that they they called that they're just I don't know why. They're They're saying they're afraid of the camera, but yet they're they're still hanging out here. Makes no sense. They're Getting it Getting it No, I'm just filming, so it's completely completely legal activity, so. The only thing I was going to express to you is kind of Let's go more the the respect route, right? Well, I just I just stick to the law. Whatever's legal, you know. I I don't want I don't want to like hear any directives that are unnecessary. I'm not breaking any laws. I'm not doing anything wrong, and I'm not attacking people uh or doing anything. In fact, you know, I'd argue that there's people that will attack me, so like like them. She blocked She blocked the sidewalk like multiple times trying to block my path to come back over here after being over That's not She followed me. It's all on camera. Yeah. Yeah. Well, if she has any proof of that, you know, you can take a look at it, but Yeah. No. No. No. No. I I don't What I I don't understand how is if they're scared and they see me as a threat, me just standing here masked up or not like filming and they choose to stick around, it makes no sense to me. If there was a real threat, well, hear me out. If there was like a real threat to me or threat threat to anybody around here, they'd probably try to get out of the area. But instead them hanging out and then calling the police and then blocking my blocking my path down a sidewalk, that isn't point to anyone being scared or being uncomfortable. That points to someone just being a creep. >> It seemed that all the confusion had been cleared up after the first conversation, but when the officer brought up a series of calls concerning the man, the discussion suddenly took a completely different turn. >> So, I want to come to a little bit of a middle ground, right? Obviously, like you said, man, you're on public sidewalk. I've got no problem with you filming here. But we've gotten probably at least like six callers at this point who are concerned and they're feeling scared. And being a public building that everybody needs to use and needs to have access to, if you don't feel comfortable being somewhere and they leave, but they have to do business here, what's the solution there? >> I I don't know. I There's no middle ground for me if my rights I mean, I'm going to I'm going to stick here and I'm going to film whatever anything that happens, people walking by and I'm going to continue working on my story. That's all I can say. I mean, there's there's nothing here. There's no crime. This is just a waste of of resources. Like she's freaking out, chasing me down, trying to block my way. I mean >> [laughter] >> It is You know what? It's pretty crazy, so that's all I can say. I I don't know. I would never If I was uncomfortable and someone's filming, I'm I'm just going to leave. I'm not going to go attack them. >> [laughter] >> You know what I mean? I'm not pushing anybody. Look at this lady. Watch this. That's exactly how a rational person should behave. No no freaking out, Just conducting business. >> Look, man. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to get you to see it from their perspective. >> I can't see it from anyone else's perspective. >> be uncomfortable, too. It's not illegal, but I would be uncomfortable. And if this is a public business that everybody's got to have access to, I'm just All I'm asking you to try to disrespect people a little bit, okay? Whether that's being more quiet, staying in the corner, whatever you got to do. Um like I said, I don't have a problem with you filming. I don't have any issue with that. >> I'm going to keep on following the law. That's all I can say. Cuz I'm going to keep on following the law. >> All right, man. Let me talk to them real quick and we'll I'll let you know if anything changes. >> them know it's not illegal to film in public. >> With each side convinced they were right, the answer now seemed to depend on a single conversation. And it was that exchange with the next officer that opened the door to a development no one saw coming. >> Um >> So, can you just kind of walk me through what happened? And do you have a name that you prefer me to call you by or >> A good citizen. >> Good citizen? >> Yeah, yeah, good. Yeah, I mean I like I said, it's >> Well, I know. I wasn't I didn't want you to feel like I was trying to trick you to identify yourself. I just wanted to be able cuz hate you or something like that, I didn't feel like it was the most respectful way of doing that. So, I just wanted to >> Yeah, I I mean I >> to know you were good with whatever I was calling you. If you could, I'll just call you sir or citizen. >> Yeah, you can call me sir. That's fine. >> Can you kind of walk me through the little interaction that happened with them? Just so I have a better understanding cuz it's not just your word that gets heard, but it also helps me to talk to them as well, if that makes sense. >> I don't really answer like questions like that, but I will say a long story short All I'll say is long story short, I recorded in public. Those people were caught in my camera. Uh instead of just leaving after their claim and of being feeling threatened and whatever they said on the 911 call, they decided to stick around and then I basically assault me, attack me, block my way down the sidewalk, the lady in the passenger seat. And that's all I can say, like >> Okay. >> I'm not going to press any charges on that. Uh, but I I don't know. Like that's >> Okay. >> I can't control her, so. >> And that's fine. And it's just like they can't control you. Um, and that's why I'm trying to figure this out a little bit to kind of come to common grounds cuz they're kind of from what they're explaining it sounded like you were the aggressive one towards them. So, that's why I was asking >> Yeah, I would >> for your side what just I have a better understanding so that I can try to help work this out. >> Who knows what kind of lies they're saying. Um, I would >> And that's why >> I'd ask them if they have any footage. Uh, I'm not going to show my footage. >> Okay. >> Uh, >> Yeah, I wasn't going to ask you to, man. >> Cuz I you know, I'm not going to stop filming. Yeah, I appreciate you. Um, uh, what's it called? Um, if they have any like proof of being attacked or anything, you know, that's that's great. You know, they don't. They won't. But, I would leave with them cuz whatever they're saying is just utter crap, I would say. It's I I know what I'm doing. I know my rights. And I come out here and film. I don't film to come commit crimes, so. >> Yeah. And I all I was wanting was just kind of your understanding of what that interaction was like. Cuz it happens to all of us sometimes when we're in a panicked state or something like that that fear that we are feeling or anxiousness can bridge stuff in our minds that's not really there. So, it's we try to get both sides of the story cuz we know that the truth is someplace in between. And if we didn't do that, then then we'd be arresting people for all kind cuz if somebody say that you're out here hanging into somebody's vehicle videoing and while you have proof of that, but we're not asking you, just handcuffing you. That wouldn't be fair to you. >> Yeah, but >> The questions had been laid out and the conversation was finally drawing to a close. Everyone was waiting for the police's final answer. But, what came next revealed an entirely different perspective on the situation. >> So, kind of like we talked about earlier, as long as you're not blocking public sidewalks, you're allowing people to go through and going to that they need to conduct, you're not following them around or anything like that, then we don't have an issue, right? Makes people uncomfortable. You know that, I know that. It's not illegal. We both understand that as well. Um personally, I think it's a little disrespectful. But again, I can't force you to leave or quit or anything like that. You understand? Okay, so if we get calls back here that you're blocking the sidewalk, preventing people doing business back and forth, then we might have a bigger issue, but as of right now, we're going to gather your hair. >> Okay. >> So there was no So there was no problem to begin with? >> We talked about the whole thing again. I gave you all the details. Like I said, I think it's a little disrespectful, but there's nothing I can do to stop you. Okay? Would you like a business card? >> Sure. >> Okay. If you have any questions or complaints, don't hesitate to reach out, okay? Have a good rest of your day. >> Appreciate it. >> All right. Take it easy, man. >> Bye-bye. >> The incident ended without any detention, arrest, or enforcement action, but it also served as a reminder that conflicts are best resolved through an understanding of the law, respect for the rights of others, and a sense of responsibility toward the community. Citizens can sue police under Section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may face compensation payouts, disciplinary action, or even termination. Through incidents like this, we are reminded that respecting the rights of others, acting with civility, and resolving disagreements through understanding rather than confrontation are essential to building a safer and more compassionate community. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]