My car is on. >> What the freak? God damn you, [ __ ] dog. Control yourself. >> A brief encounter, but enough to expose deeper issues of power, accountability, and the price paid when boundaries are crossed. >> I've got a complaint. >> A complaint? >> Yes. >> About what? That I'm taking photographs in public? >> No, it's not you swore at. >> I don't think so. >> Got everything on your camera? >> Right. Now, if I wanted to do that, you would have been arrested. I would have seized the hard drives, but I won't do that with you because it's just as easy talking to you to find out what's going on. >> When power isn't matched with accountability, a single camera is enough to turn every wrongdoing into evidence before the law. It's just a camera, but within minutes, this place turns into a tense hotspot. A hidden truth behind the prison walls begins to surface, and someone clearly doesn't want that to happen. >> Good afternoon, guys. Can you please read the law to me? Um we were here approximately 1 year ago. Well, actually sometime last year. As a matter of fact, I think the flags were a lot better and shape than they were when I was out here last. Anyway, this is um HMP Durham. And uh yeah. It's a uh one of the uh public sector prisons. And yeah. I think um So, it's Monday today, um second 2nd of March. Um just after 3:30. And >> So guys, this past week um this place was in the news. Um in the past week, a um a mother of a mother of a 32-year-old prisoner uh was found dead. And a couple of days later he managed to get enough drugs um put himself to sleep and stone cold in the morning, so Yeah. >> You're not supposed to be filming on here. >> Okay, last video. >> Pardon? >> Is there a law against it, is there? >> What? >> Is there Is there a law against it? I think you'll find it's called public photography, which is perfectly lawful. >> So, on what reasons are you recording? >> I'm doing a story, but it's none of your business anyway, so >> we actually is my business. >> Is it? Oh, go away, mate. Go. Just go. Go. You're boring me. >> Right, I'll just uh >> You'll just what? >> Just a person filming in public, but the atmosphere quickly grows tense. Questions take on a suspicious tone, and everything begins to shift. Then, only minutes after leaving, the situation suddenly escalates as police show up with a questionable reason. >> What do you want? Hey. [ __ ] Can I help you? >> You all right, sweetie? >> Yeah, perfect. >> We've got a complaint. >> A complaint? >> Yes. >> So, what? >> taking photographs in public. >> No, it's not. You swore at us. >> I don't think so. Got everything on camera. >> Right. So, you have me on swearing at the moment. Right. Now, what I've seen you taking photos of them. >> Whatever I want in public. >> Right. But, when you're taking them coming and going from work, you know, obviously understand the concern of that. >> No, I Are you going to double what I'm going to be detained? Are you detaining me? Are you? Are you detaining me now? >> Am I detaining you? I'm not detaining you. I'm just coming to speak to you. >> I don't I don't talk to you, thanks. Don't talk to you. It's my legal right. Don't want to talk to you. I've not committed any offense. >> Well, let's listen to what I've got to say then. >> No, I don't want to listen to you. Don't have to. >> Right. They've said that you've been telling them to f off, so you have technically committed an offense. >> No, I haven't. I got the evidence. >> You might have it on evidence. >> Yes, I do. >> But, for us to investigate that, then we could have to arrest you. >> No way. >> To then witness that. Yes. >> Well, you know what? >> That's That's where we are. I'm not wanting to avoid that. >> [laughter] >> Cuz if there's any reason as to why you're here, that's why I'm >> You need to contact your sergeant, then. >> What what? >> Listen, I've been through just about every prison in in the UK, right? Very seldom do I get harassed by cops. Don't harass me. >> I'm not harassing you. >> Well, I don't want to talk to you any further. I'm going. Okay? I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Right. >> You're causing them alarm and distress. >> No, I'm not causing them I'm not swearing though. There's no evidence to that. >> You have and you're saying there's no evidence to that. >> No way. >> So, you want to show me the evidence of that then. >> Okay. Look, well, it's on my hard drive, isn't it? I'm not I don't I don't I don't have to show you anything. I've not committed any offense. >> But, there has been an offense committed. >> No, there's not. Well, they just Do you know Do you know Well, I haven't. >> Well, they're saying you have. You're saying >> go back and get a statement to that in writing. >> Well, I would do that, but that would require then arresting you. >> Well, I don't care because 500 quid from 10 seconds to 1 hour with handcuffs on me, even if it's just one handcuff on on my wrist, is 500 quid minimum. Minimum. Been there, done that. >> I'm avoiding that. >> Well, I'd advise you if I but you just get back in your car and say there's no crime being >> Even without anything clearly established, the pressure keeps building, turning the conversation into a tense battle of wits. And just when it seems like it's about to end, a new detail suddenly emerges, creating a major turning point and pushing the story into a more intense phase. >> And the chief prosecutor said, photographing in public is legal, perfectly lawful, police can be expected and there's no expectation of privacy in public. >> Right. Have I mentioned anything about the filming? Have I mentioned anything >> No, you you just you just tell you just lying. That's lying. >> It's not lying. >> It is. That's lying. He's making a false report. If someone in there had said that I swore, then that's false. >> why we're speaking to you. >> That's false. It's false and I had money in my pocket and you'll be sent for retraining. >> No, I won't I won't get retraining cuz if someone makes an allegation, we have to investigate it. >> Yeah. >> Now, if I wanted to do that, you would have been arrested. I would have seized the hard drives but I want to avoid that because it's just as easy talking to you and finding out what's going on. >> Uh I don't have to talk to you. Look, this place a mother I'm doing a story, right? A mother last week topped herself. Took 3 days for the guy who was a prisoner in here, 32 year prisoner, to find out cuz they couldn't be bothered to tell him and he topped himself overnight. Okay? That's my story. Okay? That's what I'm here for. >> I can't comment on that. I don't know what's what's happened or what the circumstances around that are. >> Well, that's I've just told you to tell you what I'm doing. I've got a perfectly legitimate reason for you know, I was here last year. Talked to the the chief of security there, told him what I was doing and after that he was fine with it. >> I understand the issue about you here following us or anything. It was the swearing that we are concerned with. >> There was none. There was none. So, you can go back and clarify that if you wish. I'm more than happy to see you while you clarify that because when you go there and say right, if you've lied cuz he's got it on camera, then it's an offense to tell you. >> Which it will be cuz if you have done that then it's something that I haven't. So you go and clarify that. If you get a complaint then come back and arrest me. Then I'll show you the evidence. Then it's money in my pocket and someone else arrested. >> It doesn't It doesn't work like that. That's why we are here. >> does. Yeah, it does. It does. Well >> Well, we are avoiding arrest. If I wanted to arrest you you would have been arrested instantly and I'm trying to avoid that. >> Don't Don't threaten me with arrest cuz arrest arrest doesn't arrest arrest doesn't doesn't work for me. >> What I've actually said is I don't want to have no arrest. That's why I haven't. >> Well, you're not going to arrest >> Everything seems clear at this point, but the more it's discussed the more contradictions begin to surface. One side keeps asserting their legal rights while the other continues applying pressure making the situation increasingly tense and unpredictable and just as things appear to calm down a new twist suddenly emerges pushing the story to another level. >> I imagine that you were trying to get on the vans as they've been open in the rear. >> comes to go in. >> Really? >> Yes. >> Well, mate you go and take a statement and come and arrest me cuz I'd like this one to go to court. I really like for this to go to court. >> Well, that's all we asked you to do. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Not happening, mate. They're a bunch of liars. They're a bunch of liars. >> All right. >> Absolute liars. Right, well I'm going now cuz I I'm I'm bored of this conversation. I've done nothing wrong, you know. I'm going. I'm doing my lawful activity which is photographing in public which is a perfectly no normal lawful uh no lawful thing to do. >> Okay. >> No different from walking a dog or jogging down the road. You know, you don't pop uh stop people from jogging down the road, do you? Or walking the dogs? >> I haven't said about the filming. I've said about the swearing. >> I haven't swore. >> Well, that's what I was speaking to you about. I wasn't saying you haven't. >> No, I haven't. >> saying you haven't got on the van. >> I haven't. And by the way, you can't just you can't just arrest somebody uh for a section five anyway because swearing, although I have not, swearing itself is not an offense. There is absolutely no offense of swearing. Mate, you've got to you've got No, it's got to happen got to happen more than once for a thing I know the law just as well as you do, mate. I've been doing this quite a long time and I deal with people like you all the time. I've been to Franklin Prison, I've been to Durham Prison, I've been to um uh Aiklee Heads Police Station, I've been everywhere. I've been to Dumfries, you name it. >> or are you Where are you from? >> I'm Well, I'm I'm from here today cuz that's where I am today. >> Do you want to pass any of your details? >> No. >> No? >> No. Not required to. Not required to. >> I'm just asking you. >> Yeah, and I'm just telling you no. I've done I've done nothing wrong. They're liars. They're absolute liars, mate. I I'm not that stupid, right? I I don't swear at people. I do public photography and I put it on the internet. Cuz, you know, it's it's a test of what the police do in these situations, whether they violate your rights or whether they respect your rights. >> posture test? >> Uh well, mostly, yeah. >> Mostly? >> Mostly. >> it would have been 100%. >> Well, well, you haven't arrested me. >> known, man. >> Yeah, well, I've been here a few times. >> And have you ever been harassed by other system job? >> I had a good interaction, I'd say um Franklin Prison last last year. >> Right. >> I sometimes I wear masks, see. >> The tension may be easing, but the doubts haven't gone away. Both sides hold their ground with neither willing to back down, turning the exchange into a quiet but persistent standoff, and that very stalemate sets the stage for a new development where things move beyond words into more unpredictable territory. >> Totally got it. If you are a count on it, you know, can you do you not have like a playback on this that you can prove that you haven't swore? >> No, I I've got nothing to prove. I I've got absolutely nothing to prove because, you know what? I didn't didn't absolutely not swear. However, if I did, like I said to you, swearing is not an offense. It's got um harassment alarm and distress have to happen on more than one occasion for it to be harassment alarm, and distress, and I was only there once. So, there's no offense. Even if I told him to >> Review said that, and then he's appeared that you're getting on or trying to get on a G W M E, and that's caused alarm and distress. >> Yeah. You can't You can't You can't arrest me for section 5 public order for for for one swear on one occasion. Swearing, like I said, is not It's not an offense. >> occasion and that you were trying to get on the G W M E for British >> Rubbish. Rubbish. Well, they got CCTV. Go and review their CCTV. >> Why do we speak to you first? Cuz it's easier to speak to you. >> Yeah, that's right. >> If we're up there and we're taking CCTV and statements, and obviously you're getting the bus and we don't know who you are, we might never see you again. So, it was easier stopping you and getting your account. >> Well, I'm I'm not It's a hard drive. It's not It's not a disc. It's a hard disc hard drive. So, I'd have to stop the recording. I'm I'm not I'm not I'm not going to do that. You do You do what you need to do. I've done I've done nothing wrong. By the way, I did did say the swear is not not not an offense. Not only is it Not only is it not an offense, but I could, with nobody around, I could tell you guys to off repeatedly, and there's nothing that you can do about it. Harvey versus DPP >> Judge Bean >> Judge Bean. It's a case that's been decided in the High Court of England and Wales. Okay? You cannot be harassed, alarmed, or distressed hearing swear words because you hear them so common, so often. And that was That's Judge Bean, a High Court judge. Yeah, so you look it up. Harvey versus DPP. >> In the end, everything wraps up without an arrest, but what just happened leaves more questions than answers, making viewers wonder what really took place behind the scenes. Up next, just a small action, but the reaction that follows leaves everyone stunned. An unbelievable scene begins to unfold right before our eyes. >> This is what we call this [ __ ] Hey, come on. What the freak? I don't give a damn. [ __ ] the street. >> I don't this is on you, not me. >> Damn, what's wrong with him? >> God damn, you [ __ ] dog. Control yourself. >> to. You do. Why don't you go do your [ __ ] job, lady? Um Go get him. Now, leave me the [ __ ] alone. How about that? >> That's not even your car. It's the people >> [ __ ] dog. >> car, not yours. >> Control yourself, dog. >> You're out of control. Check yourself. >> [ __ ] dumb ass. Who [ __ ] you think you are? >> Same as that guy. >> Jeez. >> I'm Officer White, badge 1361. This is Officer Gonzalez, 1390. >> Appreciate that. >> Officer Gonzalez. Why is it always the short one? >> Okay. Whatever. >> We're going to get >> Yeah, what's up? >> [laughter] >> We're going to have your car towed in a moment. >> Damn, all this [ __ ] That was a lot of mine. >> Back in your dog house, doggy. >> Hey, why is he like that, man? Nobody's going to break into the car or nothing. >> On the roids or what? >> Why is he uh unleashed? Guys, y'all got a supervisor? >> Yeah. >> I want a supervisor out here. >> Let me get that. >> That was uncalled for. >> Supervisor. >> I want a supervisor out here, yeah. Yeah, I do. >> Okay. >> I want to file a complaint on that piece of [ __ ] Yep. Unbecoming unbecoming of an officer. >> Okay. >> Control yourself, homie. >> Things quickly escalate as the officer's response goes beyond what's necessary. The atmosphere heats up, exchanges grow sharper, and what began as a routine interaction turns into a full-blown confrontation setting the stage for what comes next. >> I'm dealing with someone who's in a crisis, okay? >> So, close your screen. That's on you, not me. Just some restraint. >> Yeah, the onus is on you guys to close the screen. You know, it's not it's not on us. You know, we If we're in public and you guys leave it open, we can't get in trouble for disseminating information to the public. You guys can. >> I mean, Police officers are on duty. >> This guy actually you've been pretty respectful, man. I'm not going to lie. You gave up your name and badge number right away, but I do appreciate you. I'm not And and uh I'm not going to apologize, but >> That That was uncalled for. And if you condone that, you're just as much of a problem as he is. >> That was really unbelievable, man. Damn. >> Who's on the attack? >> Yeah, I can. What's the law that says I can't? Look, what's the law that says I can't? >> Something you guys do. >> You You are a police officer, a law enforcement officer. >> Not your feelings. >> Enforcement officer. Enforce the law, not your feelings. Leave me alone. >> Okay. >> That was That was sad. >> to make [ __ ] all the way up if you think I'm going to [ __ ] take that [ __ ] Learn how to talk to the people. It's that simple. If you don't know how to talk to the public, you're in the wrong [ __ ] job. >> That was almost embarrassing. >> Go to McDonald's. They're hiring. Starting out like $19 an hour. >> Did he think >> all you want there. Not here. You got professional standards. >> Like I don't understand why he got like that. >> As tensions keep rising, the exchange moves beyond a simple argument into a clear confrontation. Neither side backs down. The situation edges toward losing control. And at that moment, an unexpected move shifts everything into an even more intense and unpredictable phase. >> Do you know the Constitution? >> I know it. >> You don't want to You don't want to answer it? Do you know it? >> I know more than you're talking to. >> All right. You know, we have a lot of videos that show that we have >> Cuz he doesn't know it. >> You know, they swear an oath to the Constitution, but all they're doing is repeating something that somebody else is reading to them. They don't actually know it. That's why we ask because we're uncovering these patterns, man. With these videos, it uncovers the patterns. And if you guys begin to really know and understand the swear the oath, it's right? And know the oath that you swore to. >> Oh my god, this [ __ ] is laughable. He's got black and blue pens on his chest. And that's uh purposeful. >> Why How long have you been doing DVD? >> I don't have to answer that. >> That That's part of the disconnect. You guys don't want to talk to the people that pay your salary. Like we're we're trying to we're we're trying to have an open dialogue with you guys. And all you guys is want to show contempt for the people. >> These guys have a problem with transparency. No accountability whatsoever. No ethics. >> Man, this guy >> The tension hasn't cooled as the arguments continue and both sides take firmer stances, making the situation increasingly volatile. And just when it seems it's only words, a new and unexpected development unfolds. >> What are you guys requesting your supervisor? >> Yeah, I did. I I want to file a complaint on him. Running up on me like like like he's commando or something. That's way out of line for not touching his vehicle. Just Just filming inside the vehicle, which is completely lawful. >> I do. You want to dispatch to 1501 Truxton Avenue? >> I can't file with you? >> Well, I don't do the phone phone with my phone. >> Do you want me to explain to you what happened? >> It's all on video. >> Walked up to the to the car and we're looking at the computer screen. He He got all up in his face and he's running out crazy, right? Like a maniac. And uh and in reality, sometimes, I'll be honest with you, man. Sometimes we do this to show you guys and the officers that are out here that that is if your job as an officer to hide that information, right? To to close the computer screens or whatnot. Um we can't get in trouble for disseminating information to the public. Only you guys can. It's in your policy to, you know, to hide that kind of information. If he If he would have If Well, hold on. Are you not going to let me finish real quick, man? >> Yeah, there's stuff on the computer and you like to record it and all that. >> Yeah, yeah, but it's all right to do so, right? Is it not? Is it not? >> So, if he was if he was discourteous to you >> The dude is unhinged, man. The dude >> If you'd like to make a complaint, then what you need to do is you go to 1501 Union Street Avenue. >> I'm not from Sales Hall. >> Okay. >> I don't know when I'll be able to get down there, so I I need to be able to file a complaint on the scene while it's still present. >> not how that works. Like we can't fill out the complaint packet and then have you talk to an internal affairs detective. >> You You can't write it down on a piece of paper and forward it to the person that needs to go and I have video proof that it's filed. >> No, the the >> This is not urgent. I'm talking to you. >> That's That's not how that works. It goes through an internal affairs office. >> Okay. >> So, I mean, I can write it down, but I'm not an internal affairs detective, so I don't handle internal affairs complaints. >> Okay, and your name, rank, and ID number? >> Sergeant Carlos, 1082. 1082, Carlos. >> Yes. >> You're dismissed. I'm done with you guys. >> Do Do you would you like to Do you have any other information >> No. No. I'm done with you guys. You're free You're free to go. You're dismissed. >> Well, we're always free to go. >> When it's all over, no one is in handcuffs and no one is taken away, but the way it unfolded leaves many questions because sometimes what matters most isn't [music] the outcome, but what happened along the way. Citizens may file a lawsuit [music] against police under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights [music] could face financial liability and may also be subject to discipline or termination. 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