Is there any reason why you're asking me for my identification? >> Well, is there any reason why >> Yeah, yeah. >> I'd have no problem in giving my ID. I'd like to know who you are, so I can run you through our systems, and why you are filming police officers and police buildings. >> A baseless ID demand outside police headquarters turned a normal recording into a tense display of overreach, where officers faced a citizen who knew the law, and those wrongful orders could come with a costly legal price. >> Just taking photos. >> Do you want to I like you to take a photo. >> Okay. >> All right. Can I have some ID, please? >> ID? >> Yes. Name and address. >> Oh, what What did I do? >> I want to know why you're taking pictures of the police. >> Just because of a few photos outside the police station, a citizen was suddenly pressured to provide ID despite not breaking any law. And that baseless demand could leave the officer facing a costly legal price. Just one camera appeared outside police headquarters, and the entire area quickly became tense. Only minutes later, a confusing reaction from inside sent the story in an unpredictable direction. >> You all right? >> Yeah, how are you? You all right? >> Are you a police officer or >> Me? Uh Uh, I'm not a police officer. >> No, it's what you what you're filming, that's all. >> Yeah, just filming the headquarters, isn't it? >> Yes. >> Hey, don't say that, you there. >> I'm not a police officer, that's all. >> Oh, are you? Okay, what's your shoulder number? >> What what do you say that? >> Because you just said you're a police officer. >> Yeah, yeah. One Yeah, I am. 1317. That's my number. >> 1317. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> That's all. How are you? >> Yeah, fine. >> You just finished work or >> I'm just asking you what you're doing here filming, that's all. >> Okay, yeah, you I thought you were just being You're just curious, though. >> Yeah, I'm just curious, yeah. >> Yeah, me too. I was just asking you, have you just finished work or Just like you, curious. I'm not interested. Just being polite. >> All right, then. >> All right, thank you. What is that? >> Hello. Hey, hey. I don't think this has a public access. No, it doesn't. The guy in that car is giving me thumbs up. I don't know why. I think that guy is calling somebody. He's a police officer, but he's calling the police. I don't know. Dude. >> Excuse me, who are you? >> Oh, hello. How are you? >> What are you doing? >> No, nothing. I just >> I'm a police >> Oh, you're a police officer? What's your shoulder number? >> No, sir. >> Yeah? What's your shoulder number? >> What's your What's your What's your name and details? My shoulder number is 134. >> 134. Oh, that's fine. >> I'm a police officer, so can I ask your details, please? >> Why do you need my >> some details. >> Can I just ask you why do you need them for? >> Well, because you're you're filming an area >> Headquarters, yeah, yeah. No, no, it's the headquarters. I've never seen this place before. >> Okay. >> So, I just came Usually what I do is just go around and audit places. And because it's the headquarters, obviously it's not just It's not just >> From a recording that seemed completely ordinary, the arrival of police immediately changed the atmosphere. And when the first question aimed straight at the man's identity, the confrontation began revealing a deeply troubling sign. >> Exactly. >> And I just want to Do you have identification on yourself? >> Getting checked out. Okay, I heard what you said, and I heard what you said, yeah. Is there any reason why you're asking me for my identification? >> Well, is there any reason why >> Yeah, yeah. >> I have no problem in giving my ID. I'd like to know who you are, so I can run you through our systems, and why you are filming police officers and police buildings. >> Okay, one question at a time. Do you want to First of all, I've asked you why do you need my identification? >> Okay. >> And then also, are you asking me why am I filming? >> Uh I'll have both of those answered. >> Okay, so my question is, why do you need my identification? >> Okay. Go for the other one. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you've already >> one. The other one, like I said to this gentleman >> DS Steve Puttyfoot. >> Yeah. What it is, I go around audit like public buildings or government buildings, whatever you want to call them. And this is obviously the headquarters. I've never been in here before. It's the headquarters. This is quite quite an important building, right? Of Northampton. Yeah. So, I'm just here >> Of course it's an important building. But also, we have to think about public security, security of the force headquarters. >> a secure site? >> This is a secure site. >> In that case, you've got nothing to worry about. It's secure. >> Well, it doesn't it doesn't matter. So, under under sort of counter-terrorism act, we can actually stop and ask you questions. >> Are you suspecting me to be a terrorist? >> We can also take details from you. >> Are you suspecting me to be a terrorist? >> I'm not saying that at all. >> No, no. So, you're not suspecting me to be a terrorist? >> Is this is a suspicious kind of act that you are doing. Not many people come down here to start filming. >> I understand. I explained to you. >> What I would like to do is obviously provide my colleague with your details, so we can make sure everything's in order. >> Let's make it clear. You're not suspecting me to be a terrorist, are you? >> Not at this stage, no. >> All right, that's perfect. Okay. The other thing now, because you're not suspecting me to be a terrorist, because I'm not committing any crime, I'm not obligated to give you my my my details. Are we agreeing with that, guys? >> 2020 >> Well, let me finish first. >> The time is 12:37. >> here with the same >> 41 and mile >> What we're saying here is you filming FHQ is a special circumstance. So, out of precaution, we have the necessary grounds to ask for your personal security information. >> But, he said he doesn't suspect me to be a terrorist. >> Well, I look at it this way, we haven't said that. We just >> We haven't said that you're not, but we haven't said that you are. >> But, you're not suspecting. >> When the demand for identity failed to get results, pressure from police began shifting toward another order. But, the cameraman's seemingly simple question made the legal foundation behind that order start to fall apart. >> Don't have to give it to you. >> Okay, then. Well, I'll ask you I'd I'd like to ask you to move along. >> Are we in public land? I don't think he can ask me that. What I was wanted to ask you is is there any way I can come and visit the place? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> All right, that's fine. I can see it's all closed up. Uh uh I want to just a quick question. Why I don't need to follow these people. What uh Uh officer >> Is that your car? >> Yeah, it's Yeah, I'll do it just now, before Can I ask you not to delete that that uh that footage, please? >> Can you ask me to what? >> Can I ask you not to delete it because I might make a like a request for it. >> You won't be able to make a request for this, sir. >> Subject to access request, yes. Yes, yes, I can. >> Okay. You can drive. Um if you're going to do that >> to delete the footage, please. >> that, let me have your name. Let me have your name so I can put a note on there that you are requesting those information. >> Well, I can do it through different channels. >> Like how? >> Huh? >> Like how? >> Uh I can go through your website, print the Freedom of Information Act. >> Okay. What's >> Send you the letter. >> Your information and your details. >> send the information. Yeah. And then I will get that. I will get that record straight away. So, what I'm asking you now is to not delete it. That's all I'm asking you. Because I can see it's recording. >> It is. Yeah, you're correct. Can I see what you're recording? See Make sure you've recorded me. >> All right. Here you go. You can see your your colleague. >> Okay, so it's not live stream or anything like that then. You're just video recording. >> When one form of pressure no longer worked, police began shifting to an even more suspicious move. And at that moment, the story was no longer just about a recording outside headquarters. >> Why are you stressed out? >> Well, you looked a little bit stressed out a minute ago. >> No, I'm always stressed out. >> There's nothing happening here like I said. Okay. You know, I don't know who called you. You just called you for no reason. Just wasting your time. >> To be fair, it's always suspicious if someone has got a video camera in their hand >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and a phone videoing police headquarters. >> This is also a school next to us as well, so >> I know you can To be honest, I'm not here to record the school, but even if I was, it doesn't make no difference to be honest. But I'm not here for the school. If my father makes you feel feel any better. >> So, what are you here for? The police headquarters? >> Just to Like I said, I'm here to audit the headquarters. >> Okay. Are you a government official? >> Am I a government official? >> Yeah. >> I don't have to answer that. >> I'll take that as the answer is no then. >> No, I didn't answer. >> Okay. So, I'll take that as a no then. >> I did not You don't need to take the description because he's recording me right now. >> No, we're taking descriptions as well. >> What's the point? Okay. So, like I said, I'm here to audit the headquarters. And that's all it is. So, I was hoping to go in, but it looks like I I can't go in. >> No, the police >> Is there Is there no public access at all? >> No. >> What happened? >> I'm only going to tell you that myself. I work for the boss. We are the headquarters. This is solely for police purposes. What's the point of coming It's highly confidential information that cannot be released to the public. >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. >> So, I hope you understand. >> Oh, no, you you won't see me jumping any barriers or things like that. I'm just If there's public access, I will enter. If there isn't, obviously I won't. But, I went to Thames Valley headquarters. Okay. They have access straight in. I went in. >> That's Thames Valley. >> That's Thames Valley. That's Thames Valley, yeah. So. >> Do you travel around different headquarters? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just Not just headquarters. I just travel around in all these places. >> All right. How did you get here today? >> How did I get here today? If you're trying to get my vehicle, you're not going to get it. >> Okay. >> I know you're trying to identify me. It's not going to happen. >> I'm identifying your vehicle, so we are not able to >> First of all, I did not say I have a vehicle, but I said if you are trying to get my vehicle, you're not going to get it. >> After a series of unsupported demands, police began showing their confusion in front of a man who knew the law. And in the end, when there was no solid reason left to keep the pressure on, they were forced to admit what should have been obvious from the start. >> You keep on saying the children. >> This is a school right next to >> I know there's a school right there, but like I said to I've already said that to you. I'm not here to film the children. It's not my fault they built a school over there. I'm not here to film the children, and if I was, it makes no difference. >> You made it very clear, okay? And I do understand that, but >> All right, then. So, stop mentioning the children, please. >> The >> the public obviously can see >> I didn't say I will. I said I might. >> Okay. If you might put this on YouTube, >> Yes. >> the public can see this area. You're putting the people who live in the area at vulnerable to harm. Okay. Everyone who works at FSHQ at this >> Why is that? >> Cuz people can see the area. >> Do you know you can see this area in Google or not? Are you aware of that? >> Yeah, people You can see this area on Google. >> Yeah. >> However, >> I should Sorry, I didn't Google before I came. >> is all the people coming in and out, and you're actually possibly putting people at risk coming in. >> But, they're wow. If you see a camera and you don't want to be filmed, why do you come to it? >> Because it's my duty, really, to to challenge and the what's going on here. >> So, you're you're public official. >> I am I am a police officer, yes. >> Yeah, so we expect as a police officer in public, you expect to be filmed. If you don't want to be filmed, you need to get a job in the private sector. >> Why why should I expect to be filmed? >> Because you're public official. >> Doesn't necessarily mean that we should be expected to be filmed. We're carrying out our duty. >> Well, I get filmed all the time. I don't complain. >> Well, maybe you may >> I don't care. I get filmed all the time. Look, there's a camera over there. Uh there's speed police speed cameras everywhere. Yeah, because you can't. >> No, so why >> Because there's data protection that forbids you from doing this. >> So, why would you want to put your your details or those details on YouTube when you're clearly filming vehicles moving in and out of this uh of this >> Okay, so you guys when you are in your official capacity, data protection forbids you from doing this. There's nothing that forbids me to do to do this. I have the freedom to do this and I enjoy that freedom and I'm we will not allow anybody to take it away from me. >> Okay, well, I'll remind you again. >> That's it. >> You're filming personal details of officers coming in and out and >> Well, not specifically for that. >> Well, maybe not. With the potential of putting that on YouTube, you are possibly putting people at risk from other people, maybe not yourself, from other people. >> The incident ended without handcuffs, but what the camera captured raised a bigger question about how authority was used. Because sometimes the most frightening part is not an arrest, but unsupported orders that almost became reality. Next, just a few photos outside a police station were enough to make an officer immediately want to know the cameraman's identity. And when the question, what did I do, was asked, the line between a lawful check and abuse of power began to look suspicious. >> Bonjourno. >> Hello. Can I help you? >> No. >> Are you Do you need someone to help at the police station? >> No, uh photo, just photo. >> What for? Okay. What for? >> Me like photo. >> Okay. What are you filming? >> Uh policia. >> Okay. I need to know why. >> Uh photo, uh just photo. >> Okay. I'm going to come and stop and chat with you, okay? >> And the man, he wants to talk to me. I don't know why. He says he likes to have a little chitchat. I like to see what does he want. You want to talk with the me? You want to talk with the me? >> Yes, please, mate. I just like to know what what you're doing, what you're up to. >> Just taking photo. I like I like to take a photo. >> Okay. Uh can I have some ID, please? >> ID? >> Yes, name and address. >> Oh, what What did I do? >> I want to know why you're taking pictures of the police station. >> I'm just taking photo. Me, I like taking the photos. I like take pho- I like take photos of things. >> Okay. Can I have your ID, please? >> And what the for? >> Well, your name, please. Just so I can check you through and do a person check, find out who you are. >> Do I have it to give you this? >> Yes, you do. >> Why? >> Can I have your name, please? >> Sorry, what what's your uh What's your numero? >> The ID demands kept coming, but what made everything more tense was that police still could not explain what he had done wrong. And the more they were questioned about the legal basis, the more the officer began turning suspicion into pressure. >> Do you have a numero? What is it? >> It's on my shirt and my sweater. >> Is it read it? >> Huh? >> Your numero is read it. Oh, no, it's not. It's 279 19. Can I have your name, please? >> I don't Listen, I haven't done anything and I just want to go. >> You're walking up to the police station quite close taking pictures, so I want to find out >> just take a little photo. That's all for a souvenir. >> No. I'm not having that. >> Why not? >> I'd like to know who you are so that I can find out and check check you through. >> You come to Italy and you take photo of a coliseum. It's okay. >> This is not a coliseum. This is a police station in Aldershot. >> Coliseum is more important than than this. >> Can I have your name, please? >> But I didn't I didn't do anything. So, what's your problem? >> Can I have your name, please? >> People they call me ID. >> No, I want your full name, please. >> Yeah, well It's a raining and I need to go. Please, don't shoot me with that. >> Where do you live? >> Where do I live? >> Yes. >> I live in a planet. >> Can I have your name, please? >> No, you cannot. You're not messing around. >> I want to find out who you are >> But do I? But why? You tell me why I give you my name and I give you my name. >> out who you are because I think your behavior is quite suspicious and so does my colleague. >> No, no, no, I told you I'm a taking a photo. I have a hobby and I take a photo and that's it. >> Right. So, why are you taking a photo of clothes? >> Over there there is information for a public. So, I take a photo of that and I looked around. It's a nice beautiful place and I took a photo. What's your problem? >> I'd like to find out your name, please. >> The more the cameraman explained, the more he was pushed into an endless loop of suspicion. And when police began calling everything suspicious, the story was no longer just about a few photos outside the station. >> Because I don't want to give you. >> I would like it, please. >> What are you shouting? >> I'd like your name, please. To find out who you are. >> But >> Because I'm not satisfied with this suspicious behavior. >> It's not suspicious. I take a photo. I've explained to you. >> It's suspicious, my friend, and I would like to find out who you are. >> But by law, do I have to give you that? >> You have to give me your name. I would like to check >> Is it a by law? >> Is >> All right. >> Why are you being difficult? >> I am not being difficult. You are the difficult one. >> I'll tell you my name. My name is PC Reynolds from Aldershot Police Station. I'm All I'm asking for >> And I told you people are calling me Abby. >> I'd like your full name, please, and your date of birth and where you are from. >> What is your date of birth? >> No, I'm not at liberty to give you that information. >> And me too. >> I'm a police officer, my friend. I'm asking for your >> Please, I don't come across. It's a coronavirus. >> Because you are not listening to me, are you? You are not listening to >> When the pressure seemed to have reached its peak, one short question suddenly brought the entire interrogation to a halt. But the irony was that after police could not keep him there, they chose a very different way to remember this man. >> like on camera cuz we need >> Yeah, that's all fine. That's fine. Uh I need to ask you a question, officer. Am I being detained? >> No, you're not being detained. >> I'll see you later. >> Right. >> You have a good day. >> Yes. >> Yeah, and don't Your face is not a very scary. I am not a scared. I See you later, amigo. Uh sorry, senior. Uh well, I got I've got a I've got a I've got to drop on the floor laughing. He's giving me the camera back. I'm going to cover up my face so he can't do it. Would you like it to take a photo? No? Would you like a photo? >> A few seemingly harmless photos led to a pressure-filled interrogation right outside the police station. But when the story came to an end, what remained was not the cameraman's identity. It was the fragile limit of authority. [music] Citizens can sue police under Section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may face compensation [music] payouts, disciplinary action, or even termination. When authority is entrusted to law enforcement, what society needs most is not control through suspicion, but respect for human rights and [music] legal limits. So, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and consider supporting us with a donation. 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