Okay, then you have no reason to see my my permit. Well, yeah, you're in a public roadway. I'm I'm in public, yeah. Yeah. You were asked to leave the property. >> I've never been on their property. This is the deal, okay? When power is used without a legal basis, everything can turn against you in a matter of minutes. I'm not giving my name. I'm sorry, but Well, you got warrants? No. No? I mean, what what makes you think I got warrants? You think You think I'd be walking around with a loaded gun if I had warrants? And this time, the ones being questioned weren't the violators, but the very people enforcing the law. The cameraman shows up at the South Bend Community Schools bus parking lot to exercise his right to film in public, but within minutes, the entire system begins to react. That was cute. Can I ask you who you are? This is school security. I do not want you to be on this property. I'm on a public easement. No, you can't be on there. I'm on a public easement. I see your feet on the property. It's not on your There's got to be a public easement. See those power lines? I want to know That means Well, I want to know who you are. Well, I'm Who are you? I'm the security. Who Who Hey, who are you that I have to answer to? Well, you don't have to answer to me. Okay. You're right, I don't. Before the confrontation could cool down, the situation suddenly escalates. The questions are no longer simple, and the next arrival makes everything far more serious. When personal rights are put on the line, who is really crossing the line? No, thanks. What's it look like I'm doing? What's it look like? I'm sorry. I said what's it look like? >> to know what you're doing because these are buses, our children, we want to keep them safe. There ain't no children in those buses. >> Okay, but there's children that >> This is a bus station here. >> There's children that we transport, sir. So, it is my job as a supervisor to find out why you're recording our lot. You can ask, but Excuse me? I can kindly decline. I'm just doing a little story. What story for what? That's what I'm trying to find out. Just to see where our tax dollars are going. >> Okay, well, I'm just trying to get some information cuz if we do have the police on the way. >> Oh, good. Okay? Okay, well, maybe they can educate you. Well, that's not The The The what I'm doing is not a crime. >> asking cuz we >> Okay, well, I mean, you come out here like, you know, I I'm I'm out to get you guys. >> we had security here to come ask you and you wouldn't respond. >> I I don't have to respond because I'm doing I Hey, >> want to make sure that you're not doing anything that's unsafe I'm not doing anything illegal, so therefore, I don't have to Well, I When you record me, you're it's illegal cuz I asked you not to record me. >> Okay? >> I'm reco- I'm recording you. >> it if you would not >> appreciate it, but I mean, I have First Amendment rights, so >> do I. Hello. Hi. >> you doing? Good. What's what's the uh He's out here taking pictures of all our buses, our cars. He's on our property. >> pictures in public. >> lot? What makes you think I drove What what What what >> you get out of the car. What makes you think I drove? >> What's your name, sir? What's my name? I didn't give it. Huh? I didn't give it. No, no, I mean, I'm asking what your name is. >> Well, I'm just kindly declining. You're kindly declining? >> Yeah, cuz I'm not obligated to give my name if I haven't broken a law. Well, taking you You were trespassing on their property. Uh where? Right now, you're standing on the E- E- Even there, even there, there's a public easement. Sorry, there's a bus stop sign there. So, sorry, don't try to Don't try to hit me up on on charges you know they ain't going to stick. Yeah, yeah, you're saying I was on their property. I was not on their property. I was on a public easement. Okay, well, I have the whole thing recorded. So, I mean, what they say It seemed like everything might end there, but it didn't. As arguments begin to collide head-on with the law, the tension rises to a whole new level. And just minutes later, a heated debate erupts where every word could change the entire situation. Come out here demanding to know who I was. Well, you were saying, "I want to know who you are." I I got it on the I got it on video. Okay, so You want to know who they are, but you don't want to tell me your name. No, he asked first. He asked who I was, and I said, "Well, who are you?" So, you know what I mean? Like So, what? I got to give give Your security, but you wanted to know like who I was like my name. I'm not giving my name. I'm sorry, but No. I mean, what what makes you think I got warrants? You think you think I'd be walking around with a loaded gun if I had warrants? I mean, that'd be kind of dumb, wouldn't it? Oh, well I'm sure they would have it more hidden. Yeah, I have a loaded gun, and I have a right to have a loaded loaded gun, so Yeah, but I I I I I do have a permit. I I do. No, I I I decline. You decline? >> Yeah, because Okay, okay. I'm in public, and in order in order Yeah, but you but you need I have to have committed a crime for you to check my my license to carry it. Yes, you do. The Indiana Supreme Court the Indiana Supreme Court has passed has passed has passed a law that says I cannot be detained solely for the purpose of Okay, then then you have no reason to see my my permit. Oh yeah, you're in a public roadway. I I'm in public, yeah. So So that means if I'm out walking around every time a police officer [music] sees me, I got to go present my license to to prove that >> is that No, that >> that you're here Listen, I'm here doing I'm on public. Okay, I'm doing an audit. I'm doing nothing wrong. Huh? On behalf of who? On behalf of myself. Of yourself? Yeah. Okay, why are you doing the audit? Why not? Like I said, I would like to show the public where their tax money is being sent just so there's a little transparency, you know what I mean? Transparency on what? On where our tax money goes. The argument seemed to have reached its limit, but it was only the beginning. As it drags on, deeper issues start to surface. This is no longer just a confrontation. It's a story about power and how it's used. You get it, don't you? I I hey, you know, I I I kind of get it, but you know, they got to get it, too. Why Why exactly are you out here, though? I'm just doing an audit. On what? On What company? I don't have to have a company. This What is not What is your audit going for? Just to show the the the people uh where their tax money goes or just how how people feel about public photography. That's it. So you intimidate the bus Intimidate? I mean, well, I see there you go. Like like intimidate. Oh, I'm carrying a loaded gun. So what? That's my right. Hey, I'm not trying to intimidate anybody. Their their their their feelings don't don't trump my rights, and I'm not trying to intimidate anybody, and I don't have no ill will, so sorry that they feel intimidated, but that's just how it is, huh? A lot of people feel intimidated by you guys. Yeah. >> You know, when they when you get behind somebody and flip your lights on and then pull them over and then go steal money from them and take them to jail, you know what I mean? Yeah. Who pulled people over and took their money? >> you guys took my money earlier this year just for for Yeah. When? >> Yeah. Just for my vehicle, the bumper of it over the sidewalk, you know, and Yeah. What's your I come down Hey. >> impounded or what? >> No, I didn't get impounded. We we got a parking ticket and then I come down to the station and talk to a supervisor and let them know about all the Lime bikes, you know, that are dumped over on the sidewalks all over the city and I guess that's okay because they're they're a corporation, you know, it's okay. Yeah. I mean, what do you think? Well, I mean, I think those are a public safety hazard. The Lime bikes? Yeah, cuz people just dump them over on the sidewalk. What if someone's walking at night and trips over one, breaks their elbow or something, you know? Who's liable for that? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. It seemed like everything had already been made clear, but what happens next takes the situation in an unexpected direction. As silence begins to replace the arguments, an unexpected turning point is just ahead. I just want to see it's something uh E. Ramirez. So, I I guess I I have to go down to the station and get a complaint form since you don't want to ID yourself. Give your badge number, too. Your badge number? What's your badge number? >> one in the department with an E. >> Okay, how about your badge number? Ready? Yeah. Here it comes. Two, one, eight, six. Okay. Was that so hard? See, you just No. No. No, it's it's so difficult. Is it so difficult? You should just leave these people alone. Is it so difficult that I can't exerci- exercise my rights? I mean, I mean, if you do it from across the street, Well, well, well, okay. If I did it from across the street, what would it matter? They still would have called you guys. >> Yeah, you're right. So, I mean You're right on that one. So, I guess you know, no matter where I go I run into fearful people that are scared, you know. >> out of the ordinary. Well, it doesn't make it illegal though, does it? Okay, you guys put fear in people everyday, you know. >> asking about our job. Yeah, well well, I you're trying to put that on on me. Well, what's so what's so what's so wrong with exercising your rights? So, I mean you guys took an oath, didn't you? To defend and uphold the Constitution. Did you Did you guys Did you not do that? Okay, so then then why are you trying to to put shame on me for exercising my rights? Well, you what she just said, why are you doing this to intimidate people and and and you know? I'm not I that's that's I I didn't told you guys from the start, I have no ill will. I'm just out doing it well Then then then then then then maybe it it's up to you guys to educate them and tell them he's not doing anything against the law, so you shouldn't be worried. See, I told I told you guys you're going to leave before I did. Mr. Good Citizen, you >> Okay. have a wonderful day. All right, Mr. Ramirez. Okay, don't don't violate anybody Don't violate anybody's rights today, okay? No handcuffs, no charges. But what just happened leaves more questions than answers. One camera, one basic right, and an entire system brought into the spotlight. Up next, the auditor stands on a public sidewalk outside a GM plant in Toledo. Just one camera, but the reaction is immediate, unexpectedly intense, and quickly spirals out of control. Sir, may I ask you to stop videoing here, please? Stop. video taping the plant, please. Fred Last year. Stop video taping, please. Sir, do I have to call the police department? Bless your face. Call the Littleton Police Department. Tell them we have a nuisance out here on the parking lot or on the driveway. I don't know if I'm allowed to be on the sidewalk. You cannot take video of the facility. You're going to be a YouTube star. That's great. Have you ever heard of the First Amendment of the Constitution? Yes, and what is your expression, sir? I am expressing free speech. I'm gathering video video for a possible publication. You cannot >> now you're impeding that. You cannot video private >> I can I can video anything. You're going to get an education today, Fred. Okay, sir. I'm asking you nicely twice to please stop videoing the facility. >> And I'm going to respectfully decline your your request. Don't Don't you got some work to do? Sorry, sir. Don't you have some other work to do? It starts as a brief conversation, but it's clear it won't end there. As the requests are refused, the situation quietly begins to escalate. And just minutes later, everything takes a completely different turn. Is this still a routine check? Or has it crossed the line? No. Did Did you educate them? No. Yeah, unit 181. >> I was wondering if you gave them a little education today. That public photography is not a crime. Did you let them know that? Public photography is not a crime. It's not a crime. You are correct, but if you are on their property >> But I've never been on their property. I've been on the public sidewalk this whole time. That's not what they're saying. Well, I have it all on tape. Body cam and camcorder, so. >> Body cam Did you see me on their property? Did I see you on their property? >> Yes. Okay, so what they're What they're saying is hearsay. And I have my proof. You sure? What's that? May I May I ask how you pronounce your last name there? My Knoblock? My name is Officer Knoblock. Knoblock? This is the deal. 2330 and what's yours? You don't have a name tag. Evans? My name tag's right there. There it is. And what's your uh badge number? 2053. Okay, cool. >> your name, sir? Am I being detained or am I free to go? >> sir? You're being detained. What am I being detained for? Please answer this officer's question. >> I don't answer questions. So, am I being detained or am I free to go? No, you're not free to go. Well, what am I being detained for? Because I haven't explained to you why >> Well, I don't need I don't need any explanations. Sir, I'm doing my job and I I'm doing my job as well. Sir, we have a complaint. We're taking care of that complaint and you're a part of that complaint. >> What crime am I being suspected of committing? You were asked to leave the property. >> I've never been on their property. This is the deal, okay? I was called out here along with this officer because you were allegedly photographer or photographing their establishment. >> I was. >> And when you were asked to leave, you refused. I've never been on their property, so they cannot ask me to leave a public sidewalk. As the answers remain unclear, the tension grows heavier than ever. Just seconds later, everything reaches a breaking point when legal boundaries take center stage in the confrontation. Well, in my investigation >> Well, until then, what crime am I being suspected of committing? >> you claim to have never been on their property >> What crime What crime am I being suspected of committing? Possibly trespassing. Possibly. Okay, but is that for sure? Is that a for sure? Am I being unlawfully detained here? Cuz without a crime, I cannot Again. >> I am not detained. Again, we have a complaint. Okay. You're part of that complaint, so therefore we are speaking with you about that complaint. Do you understand that? I don't answer questions. Yeah, I understand that. >> Okay, I'm glad you understand that. So, what crime am I being suspected of committing? >> Again. Again, well, I haven't heard a crime. I've heard possibly. >> Criminal trespass. That That's what >> crime. >> That's what I'm being >> That you're being investigated for. >> Okay, well, until you figure that out, am I being detained or am I free to go? >> No. Well, I I'd suggest you guys go figure that out instead of [ __ ] with me. I'm out here You are a part of that. I'm out here doing my job. What is your job? I am out here gathering content for a story for possible publication. Okay. And we are also doing our job. Okay, so why don't you Why don't you give me an articulate reasonable suspicion why I'm being detained? And we've already done that. >> No, you have not. Yes, we have. Just because it doesn't satisfy your >> I have been on a public sidewalk the whole time. I suggest you go get the security camera on that. We're working on that. Well, go get it. Why you why you messing with me? I haven't broken a law yet. So, until then, I don't I don't have to answer your questions. >> We have not determined that. Well, I'd go determine it. Until you determine it, then I'm I'm unlawfully detained. No. And you guys got about 10 minutes to figure this out before I I go ahead and walk away. Yes. You have not You have not established a crime that I have committed. You have No. You have to If I have obstructed, you have to have a crime for me to obstruct. >> Trespassing is a crime. >> trespassed. Do you have proof that I've trespassed? Well, then work on it and then hit me back up. I'll be walking up and down the sidewalk. I don't need to be cooperative. I'm minding my own business out here. The situation has now reached its limit. Questions go unanswered and silence begins to say it all. But just minutes later, an unexpected turning point emerges, one that could change everything. I don't. So, please exercise that right. No. Thank you. I'm allowed to speak as well. When she's finished, you can speak. >> No. Cuz this this detainment is unlawful. You and I both know that. No, I don't. Yes, we do. There has been no crime because there has been no crime committed. And when you showed up, I was on a public sidewalk. Well, then I suggest you find out that I wasn't. Well, then I'd work a little harder before you detain me. You're about 5 minutes from catching a lawsuit. Is that right? Yes. Unlawful detainment. You're violating my rights right now. You're impeding my free my free movement. Is that correct? Yes. I'm unlawfully detained. Well, then get investigating and come back to me when you have proof. When you have evidence that I've trespassed, then go ahead. But until then, I have evidence that I didn't and you are unlawfully detaining me. You and I both know that. And when your supervisor gets here, he'll let you know as well. Until you have proof that I have stepped on that property, you have no right to detain me. Okay, this is the >> I should be able to walk up and down the sidewalk, which I pay for, and film whatever I can see. This is how we're going to proceed with this. >> No, this isn't how we're going to proceed. Then we're going to stand here until your supervisor gets here. >> That's quite right and fine with me. This is how we're going to proceed. If we have determined that you were never on their property, >> No, this is what I'm going to determine. If you don't let me go in 5 minutes, I'm calling my lawyer. >> you, sir? We're now We're now waiting for the supervisor that you requested. >> No, you have me detained and if I walk away, I will be arrested. Sir, you just told me I was standing here with my hands in my pockets. Is that correct? Yep, and I got my wallet. >> You requested a supervisor, is that correct? While I was talking to these gentlemen, I did. So, therefore, at this point, we're waiting on the supervisor. If you don't wish TO WAIT ON THE SUPERVISOR, by all means, go ahead. Now you can go ahead and >> I'm not NO, ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT ONE more thing I need to say. Well, I don't care what you have to say. I don't need to listen to you. So, I'm being detained so you can tell me something? Apparently, we have determined that you were not on their property. >> Exactly. >> this is what I'm going >> No, no, I don't need any instructions. I am free to film. No, don't yell at me. If you want to remain on the sidewalk, >> talk anymore. >> you will keep in motion back and forth. >> that the law? Otherwise, you will be arrested for loitering. Oh, for loitering. Yes. Okay. Okay. Well, I'm allowed to I have been walking up and down the sidewalk. >> Right. And I I can stop to take my pictures. And I can keep on moving. And you are not And if you arrest me for loitering, then we really will have a big lawsuit. >> We will We will determine that at the time. >> Okay, you guys are dismissed. Go ahead. See you. Have a No clear charges, but what just happened is more thought-provoking than ever. A situation that seemed simple ends up exposing bigger questions about [music] authority and how it's used. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights could face [music] financial liability and may also be subject to discipline or termination. A just society requires not only [music] laws, but also respect, responsibility, and awareness from those who enforce them. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much.