with no emergency lights on. >> Dude, people are saying that you are >> People are saying that you're blocking the entrance. Currently, currently creating a disturbance. You're creating a disturbance. >> They don't want you here. If you don't leave, I'll just arrest you for >> six officers faced off with one citizen who knew the law. But when orders are given without a clear legal basis, the very people enforcing the law may end up facing legal consequences for their own actions. >> Oh, yeah. >> Hi, Sergeant. Uh, he says that if you're causing an issue to the point that they're asking you to leave, that you must leave. >> If I don't leave, I'll be arrested. That's all I need to know. And I'm going first issued a DA citation. >> An unlawful threat of arrest. A citizen who clearly knew his rights and legal consequences that could turn this entire incident into a serious headache for law enforcement. Just minutes after entering the building, an unexpected confrontation erupted as a man was repeatedly stopped. even though no one could explain what he had done wrong. >> But that was only the beginning of a tense chain of events that quickly threw the entire facility into chaos. >> I'm not touching. You can't film in front of people. You can't you can't you can't film you can't film this lobby, >> sir. >> You can't film this lobby. >> I'm going to tell you like this, man. >> I need Claudia. You can't fill this lobby. >> Yeah. He needs Claudia. This guy, he needs Claudia. He's trying to escalate, you know. He's trying to, you know, trying to intimidate. He's getting close to me. I'm >> I'm afraid for his safety, man. [music] Cuz, you know, you accidentally pray for my safety >> because you might try to make it seem like you're accidentally trying to bump me or something. That's an issue, sir. I'm trying to walk. You can't You can't impede Sir, I'm walking with you. >> You can't impede my movement. >> You can't in this lobby. >> Of course I can. You just called her and she didn't say anything about it. She's over you. >> In this lobby, sir. >> She's over you. >> You can't be in this lobby. >> Well, I'm doing it. So, now what? I'm trying to, you know, I'm trying to be, you know, real peaceful, man. But I I don't I don't want I don't want I don't want you I don't want [music] you to have to, you know, accidentally touch me. >> You might. You might. >> Why would you say that? >> Because you do. Look how close you look how close you is, man. Look Look at our footage. >> I see that. That's why I >> So So that's why I would say it lobby sign. >> Okay. Where's the sign at? Cuz you you keep pointing to it. Where where does it say it? It doesn't say you can't film. It >> say you can't. >> It says please respect the privacy of others and refrain from taking photos or videos in the office. Please silence your phones. >> Right. >> So where's the sign you said you can't film? [music] >> It just said that you can't film. >> Verbatim. Where does it say you can't film? >> You just read it, sir. >> Where's the words at that said you can't film? >> What did you just read? >> So we have three words. You can't film. [music] >> Point to those words on this poster. >> You just pointed it. You just said it. >> No, I didn't. [laughter] Absolutely not. >> Nah. No. Absolutely not. This is a request, sir. >> Sir, this you can't film. >> You know what that poster is? It's It's asking me to not do something. >> You begging people privacy. >> Absolutely not filming. >> Absolutely. You can't You're not ain't no privacy in public, sir. >> Who told you that? >> Who you are? >> Who told you that? >> Their business and you're in favor of their privacy. >> Who told you that though, >> sir? It's just >> Whoever told you that just misinformed you. >> When arguing no longer got results, an unexpected decision was made, bringing law enforcement to the scene. But within minutes, what became clear on site only made the situation more confusing than ever. >> So, so in all reality, what's actually going on is I'm exercising my rights today to film in public. Plus, I have to file a foyer request for this department. I tried to convey that to him. He called out his boss, the young lady that you was just standing right there. That was his supervisor. [music] She had no push back at all. However, he still tried to impede my movement from me conducting my business. So, uh I was just hoping, wishing and praying that uh the city of Elgen, you guys obviously come out here and educate this fine young gentleman that what we're doing today is just exercising rights and to leave me unmolested. That'll be that'd be great. >> Okay. So, what are you trying to do there? >> So, basically, like I was standing in public just filming, not making sure not to go past any restricted doors. >> Okay. >> Just in the lobby. Um, [music] and then I have to file a foyer request with this department. And I was trying to let him know that that's a it's a right for us to that we can do it. I don't think he's familiar, but he's not interested in knowing [music] either. So, >> Well, you understand this place is very sensitive place. >> I can understand that, but and and that's that's another thing that I agree with. Right. Even if it is sensitive, I'm standing in public making sure not to go past anything private. So, I'm just in the lobby, which is legal. >> But while you're filming, you're filming clients in the lobby. Can't do it. >> That's correct. Long as >> their privacy. Abs not. There's no expectation to privacy in public, sir. That's the law. State law. >> Don't your business, sir. This is what it's often for. Their privacy. >> Okay. That's if they go past a restricted door. We talking about the lobby. The lobby. There's no privacy at all, sir. You know, so I'm shocked that you don't know it. But I mean, there's a lot of people that don't know. I just don't want my rights to be infringed upon. >> They want their right to be infringed up there. >> So, what's your name of bad number? Officer number 1508. >> Appreciate that. So I guess the other officers are talking to the manager or his supervisor. >> Um I'll photograph be allowed in this office. So that's just a request. So we're talking it it actually is. It's just a request. >> See this ILCS number that's >> Yeah. But that's not a statute for recording >> trespass to state supported land. >> That's correct. person commits criminal trespass [music] to state state supported land when he or she acts upon the land supported in whole or in part with state funds or federal funds administered or granted through state agencies or any building on the land after receiving prior to the entry notice from the state representatives that entry is forbidden or remains upon the land in the building. >> After the initial confusion, it seemed like law enforcement had the upper hand. But with nothing more than legal arguments, one lone citizen forced six officers to face questions they could not easily answer. >> Concerned in in our facility as far as when we house inmates, we don't allow cameras and that's what we stand on. As far as over here, as far as over here, >> public domain, this is this is something completely different. So if if this gentleman is asking you not to film out of respect for what he's doing for a living, then you should just do that. Well, I'm doing this. What? See, that you know what I'm doing? I'm actually doing this to fight for we the people. I'm fighting for his rights as well. And he's trying to trample on that. So, yeah. Yeah. You should have seen him before you got here. He was standing there trying to do this and moving. He wouldn't even let me. He was impeding my movement, sir. So, that is trampling. >> So, what So, what we're asking is how can we come to a peaceful resolution to this situation? >> Well, the peaceful resolution would be like I was trying to tell him before you guys got here, peaceful resolution would be to just leave me unmolested. That'd be great if I can continue with the business that I'm here to conduct. I'll be on my way. >> Sir, I'm not going to allow so I'm so allow you to impede on my rights. Let just let you infringe on that. >> Sir, you're feeling people. >> And I can understand you guys work with this young with this gentleman, but even still, if he's wrong, you guys should still want to do right. So, he's talking about feelings, sir, and I'm talking about rights. >> He said film. >> No, he he said the people the people feel like they don't want me to film them. [music] >> What did you say about the people? People don't want to be filmed. >> They don't Okay. The people don't want to be filmed. So that's their feelings, right? >> Privacy, right? >> That's their privacy and not in public, sir. >> It's a privacy. >> Not in public though. >> But so so the thing is, right, as far as public domain, once you go inside these doors, not necessarily access to the general public. >> Oh, that that >> as the confrontation reached a dead end, an unexpected order came down from higher up. What happened next left many asking one question. Where is the real line between law enforcement and abuse of power? Go ahead. >> My sergeant uh he says that if you're causing an issue to the point that they're asking you to leave that you must leave. I mean you can quickly do your foyer or whatever. >> That's exactly what I got to do. >> I mean cuz if not then it's going to be a violation of my rights on >> continue to not leave then we would take you down to the station. What my sergeant >> that's your sergeant. Who was the sergeant? >> R A. >> So let me just get this right cuz I'm not going to refuse to leave. >> If I don't leave I'll be arrested. That's all I need to know when I'm done. >> You would first be issued a DER citation. >> I'll be issued a D. >> That's a city ordinance violation citation. >> Okay. >> And then if you continue to remain on the property and cause problems and move. >> So it is a lawful command at this moment that I leave. >> Um if this gentleman [music] has asked you to leave, >> I'm asking the officers. I'm just asking you guys. >> If not, this is not my business. >> Well, because he's a security. He can't give me a lawful command. I'm asking the officer here that's trying to enforce. >> He's a he's a person who works for the business. So he can ask you to leave. >> Okay. So I'm asking you though, if he asks me to leave, are you going to give me a lawful command? Asking in command is two different things. If he ask me, I'm going to decline. If you demand I leave, then I leave. [music] >> I'm telling you, if you don't leave, I'm going to issue you a citation, which is a city or violation for trespass. >> For trespass. Okay. And then what's your badge number in your name? >> 410. >> 410. Okay. So, and I'm not able to uh conduct my foyer. I just wanted to get that on camera. I'm gone. >> You know, I can give you the paper out here. They just don't want you in there recording. I I understand what you're saying, officer, but I mean, you know, the city of Elgen just stepped in a lot of mess because we talking about rights. That's all. That's what I'm saying. So, I mean I mean matter of fact, if the sergeant come to the scene, can you call them out here? >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay, appreciate it. Yeah, we may we go. >> Just when it seemed the debate had reached its end, an official statement at the scene suddenly pushed the incident into a new turning point. But what was just confirmed only raised more suspicion that a dangerous legal line may have been crossed. >> How you doing, Z? Um like I've been trying to explain to your officers here in the security office is that uh what we're doing today is just exercise rights uh where one the first one would be to film in public uh publicly accessible areas making sure not to go past any restriction doors. The second thing we was trying to do was file a foyer which is an additional right. Um they're stepping on those rights today. So I was just wanting to see if you was going to come out as you being the superior of everybody here to see if you're willing to educate everybody that I have a right to do so. >> So here's the thing. You're obviously dealing with a government building. >> That's correct. >> So, they have signs in there that says no video photography. >> Okay. >> So, they have those signs. Did you see those signs posted? >> I I seen those signs. >> Okay. So, therefore, they have the right to refuse >> off a sign. >> Yep. Because you're talking you're dealing with a governmental agency >> which is public property. >> It is. But if inside they might have a separate because it's human uh >> department of human services, right? So therefore, if they have those signs though, they have the right to do that. And so two things can happen is either you want to go and fill a foyer and that's your main thing, right? >> Well, well, my main thing would be to film in public. Okay. >> But but the foyer is a right as well and I have to do that as well. >> Okay. So two things can happen is that you can not film, go inside, fill out your foyer and leave. >> So surrender my rights to film. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. Or you can just stand out here and film. They'll bring you the form. You can throw it out, hand it back to a security officer, and they'll take you off at time. >> So, that's only them my only two options. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, my cuz before you got here, the the young lady officer told me that um I I would be possibly I can be cited for trespassing and arrest. >> You could. >> So, so, so under threat of arrest. >> So, what I'm saying is if you got the security guys out here, they're saying you must leave, right? So, if you refuse to leave, then yes. So, you'd be cited for trespass. I decided for you still refuse to leave. >> You'll be arrested for trespass. Okay. So, we know how it go. It's cool. I mean, all I would need from you, Sergeant, is to is is to basically tell me once and for all cuz I'm not going to refuse to leave. All I need for you to say basically if you don't leave, we we will possibly arrest you. >> Yes. And that's just it. So, now you can stand out here. That's fine. What we're saying is you can stand out here all day. They don't care, >> right? >> And and we're not going to arrest you for standing out here. >> Okay. >> It's going inside of >> going inside the field. So, I am officially trespassing this from this from this place. >> No, you're not officially now. We're just telling you what you're looking at. >> Well, I mean, if I if I'm not trespass, I could go in there, but I'm not the trespass. >> If you go inside one more time with the filming, then you will >> The confrontation came to an end. No handcuffs, no arrest. But the decisions made that day may still face legal scrutiny and accountability that those involved cannot easily avoid. Next, with nothing more than a camera and a few minutes standing still on the sidewalk, this man unexpectedly caught the attention of a stranger. And that single moment set off a confrontation no one saw coming. >> What's up? >> Who am I? Who are you? >> I can't hear you. You're wondering why my camera. >> So, you ask me who I am. >> Sorry. With the traffic behind me. So, you're you're wondering why my camera is that what I is that what you just said? >> Why are you cameraing? >> Why am I cameraing? >> Well, the reason why I'm cameraing today is because I'm out here stress testing our First Amendment rights and freedom of press in public. You support our freedom of press to the constitution. >> The first amendment, right? >> Well, it's it has five freedoms, but freedom of speech is definitely one of them. Yep. It's freedom of religion, freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom to assemble, and freedom to petition your government. So, I just come out here and I see if people respect those rights. Have a good one. As the crowd's reactions grew more tense, someone who seemed to understand the situation finally stepped forward. And what he said made many believe this dispute may have finally reached its end. >> What do you mean? >> Why are you out here filming my store? >> Why am I out here filming your sore? Does that really change anything for you or >> No, it wouldn't change anything for me, but the customers feel a little like their privacy is being invaded. You're allowed to be here. This is public space. I'm not saying you can't be, but people are feeling a little, you know, like their privacy is being invaded. So, just just seeing why you're out here and just asking. >> All right. Yeah. Well, what I do is I stress test the freedom of press to the Constitution. >> And like I said, you have every right to be here. It's just making some people uncomfortable and I just >> Well, I'm glad to hear that you guys know that uh rights definitely outweigh feelings out here. Awesome. >> Yeah. What's your name? >> Johnny. >> John. I'm Jeff. I'm the GM. >> Nice to meet you. >> Yeah. And I'm not trying to cause no shopping for you. I know what you're doing is completely legal. Uh being the business that this is. Obviously, some people feel some kind of way about being recorded. And >> Hey, man. Just make sure you go and tell them that, you know, there's really nothing you can do. >> Not out here to do anything crazy or hurt anybody or get anybody in trouble or anything. I don't think I'd be standing out here with a camera if that was my if that was my >> you know that's my feel on it as well. You know you're you're on public property. As long as you don't come on our property, you're fine. >> So you don't want me to go in there? >> If you're going in as a customer, yeah, you're welcome to. I'm just saying don't go in there filming. Yeah, that's fine. You're fine. >> Cool. >> Yeah. I just wanted to come out and talk to you cuz I've never seen you out here before. See what was going on. >> All right. No worries. >> Pleasure to meet you, buddy. >> Yeah, you too, man. Take it easy. >> Take care. After the conversation with management, it seemed like the tension would soon come to an end. But just minutes later, the female customer's reaction changed the entire atmosphere. So, what made this confrontation become so tense? >> Johnny who? >> Johnny who? FAPA. >> I don't care. Honestly, I don't care. Why are you videoing? >> Oh, wow. >> Now, I'm just curious. >> That's a beautiful attitude you got, right? >> I'm curious. Oh, I got a great attitude. >> That's fantastic. >> Well, that attitude right there just earned you no answers. There you go. I'll get my camera. >> Have a good day. Nice. Please do. Please do. >> I'm going to. >> Please do. Come on. Join in on the activism today. We need more people out here. >> Are you liberal? >> We need more people out here. >> And insulting. You don't know what you're doing. >> Oh, okay. >> You don't know what you're doing. >> Okay. >> And you're just causing problems. >> Oh, okay. >> You don't have a job either, do you? >> Oh, okay. >> Oh, God. Oh, how you got a whole lifetime of misery. >> Okay. Have fun after the weed store now. [laughter] Why don't you try the trap house? >> The trap house? >> Trap house or the heroin? >> Yeah. >> You don't want to mess with them though, do you? They got guns. >> Oh, >> okay. I see you later, Karen. Have a good one. >> Yes. Yeah, buddy. Come on. We need another person out here. >> I'm just going to video you. All right, let's go. >> And you're not even cute. >> All right. >> All right. >> Yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. Thank you very much. We need more people out here like you. Thank you. >> And what what am I like? >> And what am I like? >> Oh, go ahead. Explain yourself. >> I go to work every day. >> There you go. >> Yeah, >> that sounds fun. >> I don't usually stand out here videoing people, but >> Well, we thank you. We thank you for your activism. Thank you very much. people will have a right to pract. >> The complaints eventually brought law enforcement to the scene, but instead of an investigation that clarified what happened, one unexpected statement from an officer sent the entire debate in a completely different direction. >> Here we are. >> What? >> What are you doing? >> What am I doing? >> What are you doing? >> Like, do you not know what I'm doing or >> I mean, so why would you even ask me what I'm doing? Come on now. >> There you go. Perfect. Hopefully you got your body cam going and you're going to sit there and take up the entire entrance >> with no emergency lights on. >> People are saying that you are >> People are saying that you're blocking the entrance currently. Currently creating a disturbance. You're creating a disturbance. So why don't you just move your car and then we can talk. That's that's going to be the No. Why don't you just go and move your car and then we can have a conversation. >> They don't want you here. And if you don't leave, I'll just arrest you for turn. >> Oh, okay. Off the sidewalk. >> No, you're right on their property right here. Get over there. >> There you go. I'm on the sidewalk now, buddy. Thank you for moving your car. >> Had a whole line of people waiting. After the tense confrontation, many expected clear legal procedures to follow. But what happened next raised new questions about whether some of the earlier decisions had been made far too quickly. >> Hello. >> How's it going? >> Not too bad. My partner did my partner come on talk to you already? >> Oh, if you want to call that talking. Yeah, I Yeah, sure. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> Uh, I don't know what you guys discussed or talked about or anything like that. Okay. Um, if you got any questions, my name's Deputy Henson, badge number 1946. >> Sweet. What about his? So, you know that off off >> hand. Deputy Spivey. Okay. >> Spivey. >> Spivey. >> Spivey. >> So, listen. I I don't know what's all happened or whatever, but all I'm here to tell you is you're you're not allowed to step back foot on the property. Okay. >> Oh, why is that? >> Because they trespassed you. >> Oh, they're trespassing me. Okay. How long am I trespassed for? >> Until they say otherwise. >> They have the right. >> Is that really how that works? >> Yeah, they have the right to do that. >> Really? Okay. So, can I get a formal trespass notice then? >> I'll have to go back. >> Thank you very Thank you very much. That'd be fantastic. >> Thanks. >> What's your name? I'm not going to give it to you. >> Okay. >> Go with John Doe. >> All right, John Doe. >> We're good sitting. That works, too. >> Tell your partner to be more cordial. >> Thank you, John. Do remember, stay off the property. >> No, no formal trespass. Oh yeah. Hey, take care, Mr. Hansy. No touching people or arresting people today. >> No handcuffs, no charges filed. But the debate over where law enforcement ends and abuse of power begins may be far from over. Citizens can sue police under section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers who violate those rights may face compensation payouts, disciplinary action, or even termination. Even though the confrontation is over, this incident serves as a warning. When emotion or authority begins to override the law, the basic freedoms of citizens can easily be put at risk. So, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and consider supporting us with a donation. Thank you so much. [music]