Uh, I need to, two of you. >> I'm not going anywhere. >> I have a proper handed the mail who's using the drone. >> Handcuff off, please. Okay, you're opening yourself up for a claim. Is that how you treat members of the public? >> you want? >> Is that usually >> What do you want? >> But you're wasting our time. >> you're wasting your own time. >> No, you're wasting our >> Okay, you have shoulder numbers, yeah? >> The cameraman dares to challenge [music] a symbol of power. The truth about how police behave begins to emerge. >> We're definitely going to take advantage of that. >> Take off. >> In the middle of a deserted street, four [music] officers surrounded an unarmed man. >> Somebody in custody there? >> In just seconds, >> [music] >> a normal filming session turns into a battlefield between citizens and police. >> Officer Brent. >> I'm not going anywhere. >> Okay. >> I'm staying here. >> That's all right, thank you. Can I put a handcuff on? >> I've got uh, is it necessary? >> Yes, it is. >> For I'm not going to go anywhere. >> As the man was just standing on the sidewalk filming, an officer suddenly ran down his license plate, and from that moment, things started to go too far. >> I didn't realize this car park was all the police. No, I'm good. Just walking around. It's open, isn't it? Open. Oh, gate, sorry. Yeah, for cars. Can we show you, there's no sign. We just walked in. Police station around the corner, mate. Okay, I'm going to stay here. I'm walking around looking at the cars today. Won't be long. Just checking. Can't really say that, mate. I can't. Um No sign here. >> on the on the front, so >> I'm telling you to leave. >> I think I'm okay in here, mate. >> It's a security risk. You need to leave. >> Risk? I'm no risk. >> I don't know if you are. What are you doing? >> Walking around. Got no weapons on me. There's a camera in there for later. So, nothing to do with the No weapon, nothing. Just walking around, mate. I don't get any officers. You get officers for? >> Cuz you need to leave. I don't know who you are. >> Should I show you? On the front, there's nothing there. >> What's your ID on you? >> I do. Uh Look. >> What's that you've got? >> That's all I've got. >> What's What's in your bag? >> It's in the bag. >> Police refused to identify him, threatened to arrest him, and then pushed him away from the scene, even though he was just standing where the law allowed him to. >> So, we've got authorization to fly here. We are just outside just inside the Coventry Airport zone. But I've just called them up, explained where we are, explained I'm only going to be 100 ft. Uh and they've authorized it. So, we're definitely going to take advantage of that. Hello, guys. Somebody in custody there? Back of a van. Looks like there's a bit of a traffic jam getting into custody. Oh, dear. Busy, busy, busy. Couple of marked vans there, look. Custody zone, strictly no parking. Marked vehicles along there. That was very good of Coventry Airport to let me fly now. I told them I'm going to be no higher than 100 ft. Um, we're at 28 m, which is not too far off that. Let's have a look from a bit higher. There we go. Here's the car park that we were just >> Amidst the tension, the cameraman offered to shake hands and start over, but was met with only a cold stare. When power ego wins over reason, what happens next? >> What? >> What you think, uh >> I'm allowed to fly over. Don't you break it. >> I'm going to check that. >> Yeah. >> No, I'm not going to break it. Do you live in photo control? Uh, I need to to officer >> going anywhere. >> apprehended a male who was using the drone. >> I'm not I'm not going to run away. You're not going to run away. >> Outside of Seven Trent. >> I'm not going anywhere. >> Okay. >> I'm staying here. >> That's all right, thank you. Can I put the handcuffs on? >> I've already uh Is it necessary? >> Yes, it is. >> For I'm not going to go anywhere. I'll sit I'll sit down if you want. >> No, not necessary. Yes, yes. >> I've already spoke to your colleagues today already about this. >> Have you? >> Yes. >> I don't know that. >> Okay. Well, you maybe should find that out before you put me in handcuffs because you'll be liable for a claim if so. All right. >> to I told you you're detained. >> Okay. I'm not going to get up. I'm not going to run away. >> Okay. >> I'm not going to run. >> I'm still handcuffing you. >> I've got the drone in my hand. >> Would you please pass it to somebody else? >> Can I put it in my bag? >> You can. >> Thank you. Officer, before you before you carry on with the handcuffing >> There is >> I've actually spoke to uh two colleagues around the corner about this already. >> Right. >> Filming and uh droning today. >> one other show me >> So, I'm not going to run away. I'm I'm making a video. Can you Can you let her know to take that off? I'll be able to talk to you. >> All right, yeah. >> Just hand handcuff off. Handcuff >> off, please. Okay, you open yourself up for a claim. Tell your colleagues to take the handcuffs off. It's not necessary. I'm not going to run away. >> That's fine. >> I'm making a video today. >> Right. Which other colleagues did you speak to then? >> I'll explain. Take the handcuffs off. I'll sit down with you if you want. >> The encounter ended without an apology, but the fallout was only just beginning. Who really crossed the line of the law? >> believe I can report it and say this officer detained me for So, they said section of whatever. If that makes sense to you? >> I hope you have a very good day today with the filming interaction. >> I was relaxed. I'm now a little bit high rate now. >> Are you? >> So, I've been grabbed on the arm. I've been handcuffed. And you ran out out of breath. I I I wonder what you're going to do at that point. >> You're more >> No, but you you ran over like ready to go, right? You're ready to chase me or to I don't know. I didn't run, but >> So, obviously you're more than likely to make a complaint. It's up to you. It's up to me to play at the same time. >> It won't be a complaint. It'll be civil. Civil matter. >> That's fine. That's fair enough to you and to me. Officers reacted to something which potentially have been an issue. We need to get proper details. She's acting at her own discretion. >> Would you have done the same? Would you have handcuffed me? >> Um next time perhaps, you know, suspicion of crime will be there. I'll I'll walk casually, you know, with no rush. >> My advice would be run out if you need to, but when you can see I'm clearly not running away and I'm clearly not going to try and tackle you. >> Just a short distance from me, wait for the gates to open and see whether or not you film that. >> If you think the drone could be connected to an offense, we can make you land the drone, stop and search people or vehicles to find drones or drone equipment. >> Yeah. >> That doesn't state the section of the of the >> Well, you can find it >> and and find it yourself then. >> So, part three of the air traffic management and unmanned aircraft act of 2021. If we think the drone could be connected to an offense. >> Yeah, which means that if it's over 250 g and we think that you need a license. >> Citizens may sue public officials for violating their constitutional rights pursuant to 42 US Code SS 1983. Individuals/organizations are required to pay damages to the injured party. Violating police officers may be disciplined, have their licenses suspended, fired, or expelled depending on the policy of the agency/police chief. The cameraman said he would file a formal complaint with the Pocatello Police Department. Up next, a man holding a camera in front of the police station. And within seconds, everything exploded. >> Hi there, sir. How are you? Yeah, yeah, sure. What did you learn to park like this? Where did you learn to park like that? Sir, I ask you, where did you learn to park like that? >> I don't think it's a right question right now. I've had to stop so I can talk to you. >> So, where did you learn to to park like this? >> It's irrelevant. I've had to stop that way so I can speak to you kindly, sir. >> Why do you actually stop for me? I thought you just parked. >> Why are you here kindly, sir? >> At the moment, just to ask you, where did you learn to park like this? >> I'm asking you, sir, why are you recording the police vehicles? >> Because you parked very badly. >> No, you started recording prior to my arrival. I've had to stop like this so I can talk to you, sir. >> Okay. So, where did you learn to park like this anyway? >> And I kindly ask your name? >> I'll ask you a question. Where did you How Where >> I have kindly told you I've had to park >> Okay. >> just now so I can understand why you're recording the police vehicles. It's suspicious and very unusual. >> All right. Okay. Okay, so if I answer you that question, will you answer the other question? Okay. So, what I do, I just usually film matters of public interest. Are you listening? >> I'm at the Doylestown Police Station. There's a strange male recording >> I'm not strange. >> How does it go? >> What's going on, sir? >> Nothing. I was just here. I was parked terribly. And I asked her, "Why are you parked like this?" And she's just going crazy. >> why she's parked. >> Yes, she parked on like double yellow on the curb. >> That's cuz it's a police station. It's a police vehicle. We're allowed to park here. >> No, you're not allowed to park like that. >> Yes, we are. >> And an officer got too close, questioning, threatening, and asserting, [music] "You are not allowed to shoot here." But what he was about to hear would silence everyone. >> Is that how you treat members of the public? >> Is that usually >> What do you want? >> Okay. >> I can do this all day, my friend. >> And I can do this all day. >> Okay. In a minute, you you you're going to get yourself in some trouble. >> For what? >> Pardon? You're causing a nuisance, a public order offense. >> There's no public in here. >> Okay. >> It's a public place. >> It's a public place. We're allowed to >> What What did I do? >> Look, it's a simple question. What do you want? Can we help you with something? >> Okay. All right. Okay. Can we just calm down, everybody? >> What do you want? >> Calm down and I'll tell you. >> I'm very calm. >> Okay, what do I want? I was just here. This is This is a public place. I know I'm a member of the public. And I was just here filming matters of public interest. Hang on. Let me finish. I noticed some of your cars are parked badly. >> Okay. >> Yeah? >> Well, you know, we just want to >> Is this it? About parking? >> We've got five officers to talk to you about our parking. >> Yeah, this is ridiculous, isn't it? >> It is ridiculous. >> It is ridiculous. >> So, you're ridiculous, right? You agree? >> It is very ridiculous. >> Yeah, you're ridiculous, aren't you? >> So, have you got nothing better else to do with your day but look at our parking when we've got more important things to deal with? >> I didn't call you here. I did not call you here. >> You go on your way and that'll be much appreciated. >> No, I need to complain about that guy now. >> Okay, well, then you go and see >> I need to complain about that officer. >> Your officer is over there. Can you go and do that? Can you go and do that? >> Yeah. Within your rights to call 101. >> So, what are you guys going to Why did you come out? >> Okay, see you later. >> Cuz you were acting suspiciously. >> What, filming? >> called. >> Oh, all right, then. >> So, you're wasting our time. >> you're wasting your own time. >> No, you're wasting our time. >> showing the numbers, yeah? >> Hello? >> Show the number. >> 1145 >> Your name is? >> Look, my collar number is 1145. >> I'm going to complain >> about you. You just assaulted You put hands on me. >> Please complain. >> Why did you do that? >> Please complain. Take my details. Please complain. >> Can you call the sergeant over there, sir? >> Can you call a sergeant for me? >> No. No. You just need to go to the inquiry. >> What do you mean no, no, no? >> You can complain to me. >> I said, "What do you mean no, no, no?" >> Go and see the inquiry desk. >> No. I do what I please, what I want. >> I'll clearly >> Public land. >> You can't film in the mosque. >> The police officer again evaded making sarcastic and insulting remarks right on camera. In that moment, the image of the protector of justice completely collapsed. >> Did you get service? >> Yes. Personal assistant, yes. >> Oh, thank you. >> All right. I'll send someone out for you, mate. >> Thank you. >> Hopefully she won't be long. >> All right. Just wanted to ask. Thank you, sir. Did you see me there? Hi. I just I just came here as a member of the public, just uh looking around. And uh I was doing something, just just filming in general. And uh I was pretty much attacked by five officers, or maybe six. Yeah, they just surrounded me. One of them put hands on me, just now. [music] I need a sergeant to make a complaint. >> Where where where where were you? Sorry. Where were you? Where were you? >> Just there. Just here. Just there. Yeah. >> Well, were you in the car park over there? >> This here, just as you come in, you know. You know, I didn't go inside the car park or anything like that. >> Do you have an ID on you? Can I just see if it's been reported on the system? >> No, no. It's literally just happened now. I'm not willing to give you my ID, but I need >> I I don't want to give you my ID. It's not It hasn't been reported. I'm just I just need a sergeant. >> I need some identification so that I can take details and put on an incident log. >> Okay. What I'm asking you is, if you can get >> I've just called a sergeant to the front office without having some details. >> So, you need my details for what? >> need your name. >> For what? >> So that I can put a log on to get >> Well, you can call me AB, if you like. Thank you, yeah. I honestly don't know what's going on. All right. So, I'm going to pause again, guys. And that's the guy who's to come and see me, yeah? >> Yeah, they're just going to be there. arriving from the station in a minute. So, if you just wait there, they'll come over from the station. >> Okay, that's all right. I'll wait outside, yeah? Thank you. >> When superiors show up, the cameraman agrees to cooperate, but on one condition: let that arrogant guy leave first. And from there, the tables turn. >> Uh yeah, yeah. >> Is there anything I can help you with? >> Uh yeah, sergeant. You can get me a sergeant, if you could. >> I mean, I'll look upstairs in the offices, but which sergeant is it that you're looking for? >> Any Any sergeant that can deal with the the complaint that I want to submit, really. >> Did you go up to see the yellow phone? >> I did that. He made me wait like 50 minutes, man. >> I mean, that's the quickest way of getting a hold of someone. There's not always someone inside the station, so. >> Uh yeah, I mean, I like your approach and all that. What it is, I just I was just doing exactly what I was doing just now. >> Okay, yeah. >> And five police officers just came. One of them just put hands on me, assaulted me. >> Okay. >> Literally, just here now. >> Yeah. >> And uh yeah. That's what it was. >> The best bet for you, mate, is if you want to go see the yellow phone down there, pick that up, you can make a complaint, or dial 101. >> Do you think that's normal? >> I mean, I don't know what the situation was, do I? I just walked in. >> Pretty much what just happened what I just told you. I was just doing what I was doing now. >> I wasn't there, but if >> I like the way you approached me quite polite, yeah. >> If you want, you can you're more than welcome to go over to the phone, make a complaint that way. >> Which one was it? >> The yellow phone straight up near the front door. >> Mhm. >> Or if you don't want to do that, you can call 101 and go that >> It's it's weird. I got here with the I mean, there's five police officers around me. Now I want to complain, it's been more than 50 minutes. >> What phone Oh, if you just >> Although you seem Although you seem a nice officer, uh just so you know, your colleagues are just >> I apologize for >> terrible. >> I wasn't there for it, okay? >> Uh thank you for that. Thanks for apologizing, anyway. Have a nice day, officer. >> The camera, yes. >> The confrontation ended not in handcuffs, but in shame. Once again, the camera proves when power gets out of control, the truth speaks for itself. It all started with a phone call. Someone was arrested, but no one said why. >> Well, I'm still doing an investigation cuz if you're recording me, I'm still recording, too, so it's okay. I'm doing an investigation of a suspicious person. >> A suspicious person have I broken any laws? >> It doesn't >> You can't arrest me. Arrest me right now if you want to. >> Here, turn >> I'm stopping first right now. >> No, you're under arrest, so >> Under arrest for what? >> You didn't stop when we asked you to. >> Okay. >> From the outset, the police admitted that they did not know who the person reported was and were merely trying to verify the information, an action that started from ambiguity and lacked legal basis. >> I want you to tell me on the subject that I didn't know if the car wanted to meet so I could get a better description or last known direction of the unknown person. It's a good plan. >> Police approach people on the pretext that someone finds you suspicious. This is not just a simple encounter, but a big question about freedom, prejudice, and power. >> [snorts] >> Hi sir. Yes, I'm Officer with the West Moines Police Department. The reason why I'm talking to you today is someone called in about you. Are Are you standing out flyers? >> What am I doing wrong? >> I don't know people are concerned. >> Yeah, concerned for what? >> Their neighborhoods. >> Hold on. Hold on one second. Hold on one second. >> So it's not a big deal. >> Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to figure out what we were concerned about. >> Well, in West Des Moines we have a soliciting ordinance. So if you're knocking on people's doors >> Yeah, soliciting is what offering services. I'm not offering a service. >> Okay. >> Okay, so with that being said I'd like you to leave me alone sir. I have not broken any laws. >> Well, I'm still doing an investigation cuz if you're recording me I'm still recording too. So it's okay. >> Investigating what sir? >> A suspicious person. They they called in about you. Do you have your Do you have an ID with you? >> No, I don't. >> Do you have your name? Do you have your name? >> No. Am I under arrest? >> I sure I can actually yes, you're a suspicious person. Someone called in about >> Suspicious how? >> Someone a neighbor a neighbor called called over here. So I don't understand why you're being difficult about this. >> I'm not being difficult about anything cuz I haven't done anything out of the way. >> You're not free to go. >> Have I done it Have I broken any laws? >> 455 can you send me one this way please? He's uncooperative. >> any laws sir. >> I'm talking to you. I'm not done. I'm I'm investigating this >> No laws were stated. No crimes were cited. But the orders kept coming. The hands kept close to the guns. When people asked where did I go wrong? The only response was imposed silence. >> I can detain you. Stop. >> For what? >> Because you're not listening. I'm investigating a suspicious person. Stop now. >> Sir, have I Have I broken any laws? >> Stop. >> Tell me what laws I broke. >> I told you to stop. >> I don't have to stop. >> Yes. >> You know I don't. Either arrest me For what? Whatever >> Cuz I'm talking to you and you're done this wrong. I just told you I'm investigating who you are. >> me. Stop. I'm telling you to stop. I'm not going to tell you again. >> And what will you do if I don't stop? >> I will detain you. >> Detain me for what? >> You're not listening. I'm doing an investigation of a suspicious person. >> person? Have I broken any laws? >> It doesn't That's not the point. >> laws? >> Someone called you and it's a suspicious person. >> Okay, and? You can detain a suspicious person? >> Because you're not Stop. Turn around. >> What have I done wrong? >> Because you're not listening to me. >> I done wrong, sir? >> Get your hand Get the phone out of my face. I'm investigating a suspicious person. >> wrong? I'm not suspicious. I haven't done anything. I'm walking >> up the street. >> This is a Actually, this is a public roadway, so this means >> Okay. Okay. It's a public roadway. That means that I have the right to be on this roadway. Yes or no? >> Everybody has a right to be on the public roadway. >> I am not a suspicious person. >> a right to be on anybody else's property or curtilage. Why would anybody Why would someone call it in? >> That's That's their concern. >> So, their concern >> I'm I'm recording right now because this police officer just walked up on me saying I'm a suspicious person he was going to detain me for whatever reason. >> No threats, no dangerous behavior, but still restrained. People claim innocence, police still handcuffed. [music] The arrest at this time is more punitive than maintaining order. >> Where are you from? >> it. So, so could you please get off the phone while I'm trying to record? Thank you. >> Okay, call your mom. >> Sir, listen to me. Listen to me. I I work for somebody that will have you thing Listen, I work for somebody who will get on your [ __ ] ass. So, I'm going to ask you one more time >> Okay, actually using obscenities in front of public people is a crime. I don't care who you work for. >> You don't care who I work for? The person I work for pays you. So, I'm going to tell you one more time to get away from me. Leave me alone. >> You're going to You're going to You're >> Get away from me. >> I'm done. >> Sir, you're going to arrest me? >> I'm detaining you. >> For For what? For what? >> For resisting. >> For what? >> Because you're not listening to what I'm saying. Do not be resistive towards me. >> All right. >> Go back to my car. >> All right. You You You done >> I'm detained. >> You have done it. >> Yep. >> You're You're a fool. You are a real fool, sir. >> I told you to stop numerous times. >> And I asked you for what? >> And I asked you to identify yourself because you're I'm investing a suspicious person. Someone had Someone had worry. >> Worried about what? Have I Have I tried to enter anyone's property? >> No evidence of wrongdoing, but still arrested for disobedience and making neighbors nervous. Even the police just wanted the matter to end quickly. >> I have not done anything wrong. I have not broken any laws. So if I I suggest you let me out of these handcuffs immediately because I have not broken any laws. >> Okay, did you stop when he told you to do? >> No, he kept walking away. >> Okay, then that's interference. So you're under arrest. >> Interference for what? >> Interference to you just disrupting the law and order. >> You were sitting right there and I told you to stop four or five times to identify yourself because there was a suspicious person car. >> Investigating what? I have not done anything. >> Okay. >> You can't just run up on a on anyone and just say, "Hey, you're you look suspicious." >> He told you to stop. >> And we had calls on you, like I told you. >> You're practicing stop and frisk right now. >> I'm not. >> So you're under arrest. >> Under arrest for what? Under arrest for what? What have I done wrong? >> You You didn't identify yourself. You didn't stop when we asked you to. >> Okay. >> Okay, this is what I'm asking That's all I'm asking for is your name and date of birth, man. >> All right, okay. >> So I can log someone. So what's the what What's the issue here, man? >> There isn't an issue. I have not done anything wrong. >> Sit back here. >> I have not done a thing. Would you please let me out of these handcuffs immediately? >> Sit back here. Okay. Hold on in. I just want to log >> In Iowa, police abuse can result in criminal penalties, revocation of a police license, internal discipline, or civil lawsuits. Police [music] conduct shows signs of violating civil rights, including the right to freedom of movement, the right to be [music] free from unreasonable arrest, and the right to be free from discrimination. >> Right outside the DPS headquarters in Houston, a man is simply standing and filming in a public place. But just seconds later, officers immediately approach and begin questioning him. >> What's up, bro? >> How's it going? >> What are we doing? >> What's that? >> What are we doing? >> Oh, we just recording today. >> Recording what? >> Just out in public recording. >> Recording what for? >> Oh, we're I'm doing a story. >> Um who you with? Can I see some ID? >> ID? >> Uh-huh. >> Like my journalist credentials or what? >> license, yeah. Some ID. You need to identify yourself. >> I need to identify myself? >> Yeah. >> But did I do something wrong? >> No, you're a peace officer. You're outside of state police office or whatever. >> Uh-huh. >> And everything, so I need to see your ID. >> But >> Plain and simple. Let me tell you >> I understand, but I'm just I'm just asking if I did something wrong. >> Okay. No, I didn't say you did anything wrong. I said I need to see your ID. >> Um >> We have uh we have active suspicious activity. Right now, this is suspicious activity. This is not a normal everyday operation. Okay, so we need to see some ID. >> I don't have any identification on me. >> You don't? >> No, not on me. >> Okay. Well, we need to start with your name then. You don't have any on you? You don't have a wallet on you? Is this your vehicle? >> No, it's not. >> Where's your vehicle at? >> Am I Am I in trouble or something because I'm I'm just trying to do a story. >> Okay, I'm just asking questions. All right. >> Well, if I can get back to my story so I can go ahead and finish. >> I need to see some ID. You need to identify yourself right now cuz right now you're failing to identify. When a peace officer, you know, asks for your identification, then you need to ID yourself. >> Is that the the Texas statute? >> That's the law. >> Is that the Texas law? >> peace officer law. I'm not standing here and going to ask questions. You need to produce some ID. >> Am I being detained? >> Yes, you are. >> All right, I'm just going to remain silent. >> Do what? >> I'm going to remain silent. >> As the cameraman repeatedly asks whether he has done anything wrong, the officers continue insisting that he provide identification. But surprisingly, just minutes later, the situation takes a completely different turn. Statements made earlier begin to change, and the exchange quickly shifts into a debate about the right to film in public. >> Is he with you? >> I'm going to remain silent. >> Don't sell over here. Where's your vehicle at? >> From Texas? Are we still being detained? >> You're not being detained, you're free to leave. >> Well, right now we're asking questions. Anytime you >> So, are you You're detaining me? >> If you're not going to identify yourself, you're free to go. You're free to go. >> Okay. >> So, are y'all going to leave or What are we doing? So, what are you doing? >> We're just out publicly filming. >> Well, we're taking pictures of the other state police. >> Yes, I am. Personally. >> Personally. That's a little suspicious. Every day do people take pictures of other state police? You know, they'll >> They should. >> It's more Oh, man. That's That's That's even more suspicious when you ask the uh you yourself. You're not talking to >> You're not going to need that paper. I'm not on it. >> I'm not worried about >> So So you're saying I'm a suspicious person? >> After stating that the camera man is free to leave at any time, the situation appears to calm down. However, the officers continue watching him and asking more questions about why he is filming outside the DPS [music] headquarters. Then, when another officer joins the conversation, the situation begins to shift in a new direction. >> Did anybody say >> Oh, okay. I I thought this was a consensual contact. If this is If I'm being detained, then I'm just going to exercise my Fifth Amendment right from the time >> That's what I'm saying. You're free to leave. >> Okay. I don't have to do that. >> Don't answer any questions. We've got some people here who are conducting a pretty sensitive investigation. >> I would be happy to respect the privacy of those who are not in uniform. And uh Okay. What reason have I given you to suspect that I was not that I would be doing >> You told us you >> He just said you were. >> Well, I'm asking you about the people who are not in uniform. >> Actually, you're taking pictures of the other guy cuz you're filming right now. You are. >> Yeah, I know I'm filming. >> I hope you continue to >> And that one is That one is also >> And as I just said, >> Yes. Yes, sir. >> Can you go back to my question? I I'm sorry. Just to address your concerns, I always film when I'm interacting with law enforcement. >> And And I'm sorry. >> Can you respect Can you respect the privacy of the people >> who are not in uniform Of course that's a very sensitive >> Of course we're not We're not filming anybody that's that's out of uniform or in a personal car unless unless they do something suspicious or odd. You know, and then of course we would film them because you know, their behavior is odd. But uh we're not here to get you know, uh uh anybody's personal information. We have no ill intent. We're not We're not intending to do any wrong. Okay. So can you can you other than just taking pictures, do you want to tell us why you Uh just taking pictures. How long you been out here? I'm not right now. I was kind of admiring your gymnasium that you got out back there. Is that a gymnasium, like a workout room or something? I see weights, weight machines and Any more questions, guys? If you have any questions you'd like to speak to me about, you're welcome Okay, we appreciate it. Thank you. Uh that's that's everything. Thank you. All right, take care. We would invite you to leave anytime you would >> The conversation begins to settle down as both sides explain their perspectives. But when the officers mention sensitive activities inside the building, the situation starts to shift in another direction. And at that moment, the encounter moves into the next moments filled with curiosity. >> He's getting his camera ready. I think he wants to take a picture. >> You going to put this on YouTube? >> What's up? You still being detained? >> Nobody said that you're detained. >> Nobody said that you were detained. >> We're just trying to figure out what you're doing. >> We're just taking pictures and recording out in public. That's it. >> Okay. Did you drive here? >> At this point, the conversation [music] seems less tense as both sides remain relatively calm. However, the officers have not completely left and the cameras continue recording everything. Just a few minutes later, a new development begins to unfold. >> How you doing, sir? >> No arrest is made and the encounter ends in a cautious [music] silence from both sides. The cameraman continues recording the final moments before leaving >> [music] >> while the officers seem to realize that the situation had gone further than they initially expected. Up next, after standing and filming outside the facility for a while, everything seems relatively quiet but the presence of the camera begins to draw attention from inside as a few vehicles move in and out and a man starts walking toward him. >> Is that guy walking out to me? I don't know. We'll see. There we go. We got someone pulling in. Got a van coming. The other way. Nope. About to get the hell out of here. About to get out of here. I'm going to wait a little bit cuz that guy just pulled in, so we'll see. Couple trucks. >> A few gestures from the employees make it clear they are not comfortable with the presence of the camera. And just when it seems the situation might remain limited to distant observation, the next move happens. A direct exchange begins, and the situation quickly shifts into [music] a more tense phase. >> So you guys are going to sit here? >> I'm on service. Can I help you? >> Excuse me? >> Can I help you? >> No, I didn't ask for help. >> What's that? >> I didn't ask for help. Are you a sheriff or something? >> I'm on uh security. >> Security? >> Security. >> Are you guys testing the the sewage to see the rates for the virus? >> Yes. >> What company do you work for? >> You can go first. You can go first. >> Yeah. How you doing? >> I'm good. I'm good. >> Good. >> Well, have a great one. >> Have a great day. He said 122020. >> Even after making it clear that he wasn't doing anything wrong, the presence of the camera still made some people in the area uncomfortable. And as expected, just minutes later, the situation begins to change when law enforcement is called to the scene. What seemed like a simple conversation is now about to turn into a much more tense confrontation. >> Yes, sir. >> Hi. >> I'm Officer McGilvery with the County Sheriff's Office. How are you doing today? >> Good. And what was the last name? >> McGilvery with the County Sheriff's Office. How are you >> Do you have a badge number? >> It is 4015. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Yep. Just curious, do you need anything or is there any problems? >> No, he came out and asked me. I asked him a question and then he turned around and called you guys. >> Okay. >> So. >> All right. Are you Are you on your way out then or >> Uh I'm going to be here as long as I need to be. Can I get your name and badge, please? >> Sure. >> Name and badge, though? >> My name's right here. >> I don't know how to Oh, your name's right here. Hi, officer, right here. >> Pictures. >> How you doing, brother? >> Officer, right here. >> Do you have any identification on you? >> I don't answer questions, sir. >> Uh okay, well, we need to find out who you are. >> No, you absolutely don't. I'm on public property taking pictures. >> Right. >> So, you have no right to know who I am. Suspicion is not a crime. >> You can't >> Suspicion is not a crime. >> And you're out on suspicion >> Suspicion is not a crime, sir. >> Taking pictures? >> Hey, you go talk to the two stripes over there. He didn't have a problem with it, so >> Uh he's not done with you. >> Uh you should watch your mouth, okay? >> Sir, I don't know who you are. >> You don't need to know who I am. You don't need to know who I am. And you need to stop lying to me. Yeah, you are being rude cuz you're lying to me. >> hang tight. >> No. Am I being detained? >> Yes, you are being >> detained? >> Yes. >> Are you serious? >> Yes. >> For what? What crime? >> You are being >> Reasonable articulable suspicion of what crime? >> Don't talk to me. about >> what crime? Of what crime? >> I >> I know it all, sir. I know the law. >> Detained, so hang tight. >> Sir, why am I being detained? >> And if you keep walking away >> I'm going to the other officer, sir. >> You don't need to walk towards him. >> Sir. >> What are you >> Why why am I being detained? >> You're not being detained for your for >> Huh? Boom. Huh? >> Can I go now? >> There you go. >> Ha ha. You're detained. >> Do I not know my laws or what? Yeah. Okay, keep it moving. You're dismissed. You're dismissed. How do you say your name, Mr. Right here? >> You can stand here on the public way. >> Can you have him pronounce his name for me cuz I don't know how to pronounce that? Out here just yeah. Could you sir, could you have him pronounce his name for me cuz I don't know how to pronounce that? Sir, could you please have him could you have him pronounce that for me? >> Is there 88 or whatever? >> Sir, he told me his name was right here and that's not how you spell right here. >> However you would say his name. >> I >> When the officers begin asking about his identity, the exchange quickly becomes tense. The back-and-forth makes the atmosphere grow more heated by the minute. And then, when the familiar question is asked, "Am I being detained?" the situation immediately takes a new turn. >> Legal. And you can't illegally detain me for that, sir. >> Um >> Learn. You learn your lesson today? Huh? >> Look at >> Huh? Officer right here. >> You know what? >> Did you learn your lesson? >> Come on. Yeah, me too. >> Free education for you, sir. I do know the law better than you. Idiot. Officer right here. What you got in here? You think this is illegal, too? >> Do whatever you want. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Did you get the number on my car, okay? >> Officer right here. >> You got my car number, right? >> I don't answer questions, sir. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> He's waving. That's what they get. The tyrants get the finger. See, I'll give him a thumbs up. He hasn't had any interaction with me, but he's probably, who knows. Full froze was perfect. If you keep walking away, it's going to be even more trouble. >> After several tense moments, the situation finally begins to calm down. No arrest is made, and the confrontation quickly comes to an end. Citizens may file a lawsuit against police [music] under Section 1983 if their rights are violated. Officers who break the law could face financial [music] liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. An independent journalist was simply standing on [music] a public sidewalk filming video, but just seconds later, police approached and began asking suspicious questions. What made holding [music] a phone to record suddenly turn into a tense confrontation? >> Hi, ma'am. >> Hey. >> May I ask you what you're doing? >> I'm getting footage of police cars. >> Uh why? >> I'm working on a story. I'm a journalist. >> With who? >> I'm independent. >> Huh? >> I'm independent. Can I get your name and badge numbers? >> Well, I would like you to come over here and talk to me. >> Can you come over here and talk to her real quick? What you want to do? >> Your name and badge numbers? >> I'm a cop. >> Your name and badge number? >> My name and badge number? >> Yeah. >> Officer Welton, 54. >> Thank you. You? >> Sergeant Hines, S86. Now, your ID. >> And for what? >> Well, you're video taping cars coming out of the police station. >> Yeah. >> All right. Now, it says no trespassing. So, if you're recording cars, and there's cars that we don't want you to see coming out of there, that would be a problem. >> Well, man, it's public property. >> You can still be kicked off of it. You can still lose your privilege. So, that would be like you would say you have public rights to go into that area. >> I haven't gone in the back area. I'm on a public sidewalk. >> Okay. All right, your ID. >> For what? Document crime? >> No, no, no. Well, I need to know if you did capture any of the cars that you shouldn't be capturing coming out of there. >> How would my ID help you with that? >> Well, I'm going to document it that you were here and you captured that. So, but I'll let him explain it more. >> Oh, sure. Oh, him? >> Yes. >> Okay. Hello. >> Hi. >> How are you? >> Good. >> I'm good, thank you. Can I have your name and badge number? >> Yeah. My name is S21. >> Thank you. >> She's standing here and she's recording all the cars coming in and out of here. >> From the very first moments, it seemed like nothing more than a normal conversation between an independent journalist and several police officers. But once questions about his identity began to appear, the atmosphere quickly grew more tense. >> And out of district? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And they aren't all police cars. >> Okay. >> There are police officers' personal all, there's some that come in and out of here. >> That You can see that from anywhere on public property. It's not a hidden thing. >> Um You have a YouTube channel? Yeah, I think that um So, you have an your independent blog or something or what? >> I have a YouTube channel. >> I'm sorry. >> a YouTube channel. >> What other stories have you done? What other YouTube >> A lot of stories. >> I find a YouTube >> Would you like my YouTube channel name? >> Sure. >> Do you want to write it down? >> I mean, you could tell me. I'm >> I doubt you'd remember it. >> I'm recording it. >> Oh, okay. 51-50 space >> 51-50, a space, and then 5-0. >> Okay. So, what stories have you done? >> I don't know if you'd be familiar with them. >> Funny videos or what? >> No. Um More of a police accountability channel. I'm a First Amendment auditor. >> You're what? >> I'm a First Amendment auditor. So, I'm auditing your your department right now. >> Well, >> you know, to see if you know the First Amendment and respect the First Amendment rights of citizens. >> Well, don't mind don't mind if I'm filming police cars. You still know it's they all look the same. It's just that some people probably be a little >> When the cameraman revealed the real reason he was there, the atmosphere immediately changed. The conversation was no longer as simple as it had been at the beginning. Then, an unexpected argument was brought up, one related to officer safety. But, that claim quickly pushed the conversation into a far more tense direction. >> You're endangering mine. I mean, the the the me being anywhere around a police officer makes me a lot more in danger of getting hurt. I mean, people people get hurt by police officers all the time that didn't do anything wrong, in fact, for holding cell phones. >> By who? >> Law enforcement. >> We we hurt people? >> Do you not? >> No. >> You Oh, this has become a comedy video. Cool. Oh. >> After the sarcastic exchange, the atmosphere seemed to calm down. But, the story was far from over. Just a few minutes later, the situation suddenly changed when the cameraman stepped inside the police station. And it was here that everything began to escalate in a way no one expected. >> Am I not detained? Am I being detained? >> Okay. >> Do you need to make a police report or anything? >> I know. >> Okay, can you take me in the building? You're not here for legitimate police business. You you have to leave the building. >> I was just exercising my first amendment right. Getting pictures and video of public property and public property on public property of public property. So, that's what I was doing. I'm about to walk out. >> the lobby, which is reserved for people who have legitimate police business. >> It's a public lobby. >> All right. >> Yeah. This is legitimate. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Goodbye. >> Sorry. I was getting a picture of that. I'm getting a picture of that thing. I can't hear you. >> As the [snorts] conversation reached its final moments, the biggest question remained unanswered. Is the right to record on public property truly respected as the law requires? Citizens may file lawsuits against police under Section 1983 when their rights are violated. Officers who break the law can face financial liability, disciplinary action, or even termination. Up next, an independent journalist was filming outside a large facility when a security guard suddenly asked him to stop. Just minutes later, police arrived and a tense exchange began. >> [snorts] >> Oh, we got police on the scene. Yes. Well, I waited just long enough. >> After the security guard showed dissatisfaction with the filming, the situation began to draw more attention. But instead of quickly clearing things up, the conversation started moving in a different direction with questions about the cameraman's identity and his real purpose. >> Perfect. >> Hey sir, how are you? >> What's going on, man? I didn't think you guys were coming out. Took a while. >> Yeah. >> It's all good. >> They they called the security called >> Yeah, I told them. They just told me not to film. I told them I'm not on your property, so >> Do you mind if I ask what you're filming for? >> Oh, I'm just doing a little news story. I'm a journalist. >> Okay. All right. >> That's all. >> Do you work for any specific company? >> No, I'm just independent. >> Do you have any ID on you or anything? >> Uh no. >> Okay. What's your first last name? >> Oh, I'm not going to ID. I'm just I'm just out here filming, dude. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm not going to ID. I'm just out here filming. >> Okay. >> I'm on public property. I'm not trespassing. >> Okay. You're not in any trouble. >> I know. I know. That's why I'm not going to ID. Cuz I'm not in any trouble. Exactly. That's why >> have to be in trouble to ID, though. >> Well, I'm not Title 11 1902 says Delaware. You know, you usually have some kind of crime that you suspect me of. And you just said I'm not in any trouble. You just lost that whole getting mad at me. That's why I'm Sorry, bud. I'm sorry. >> I don't want to do the whole >> I don't want to talk to you at all. Are you detaining me here? >> Technically, you're not free to go, okay? >> Okay. So I am detained. Okay. >> All right. So like I said, the the security office called. They were just concerned cuz you were videoing. That's all. Okay? >> I thought you were law enforcement feelings enforcement out here. You know, their feelings don't trump what I can do. >> I can't do that. I'm sorry. >> But their feelings don't trump what I can do. You're not feelings enforcement. You're law enforcement. The law says I can video from public property. >> understand that. I'm not I'm not disputing that. I'm not disputing that, okay? But I am allowed to verify who you are. Just make sure you don't have any warrants or anything like that, okay? >> Uh I'm not going to do that, so >> Okay. Well, >> If we need escalated, that's fine. If you want to get a supervisor, I'm I'll wait. I have no problem. >> actually on his way. I'll let you talk to him a little bit more, so >> Perfect. >> Um is there any Any why you don't want to provide any >> Uh >> I want to be anonymous. That's the whole point. >> Okay. All right, that's fine. >> That's all it is. I'm just trying to do a news story. I'm an investigative news journalist. I'll tell everybody who I am and what I'm doing. Everybody going to know. What's the point of coming out here, you know? You guys come out to the stores. They got a lot They just got approved for like a COVID, you know, vaccine. I'm working on a whole news story about it. I don't see why y'all need to harp me for who I am and what I'm doing. >> No one's harping you. It's part of our job to ID people when we get called to a >> know, but I'm just engaging free press out here. >> When the request for identification was refused, the conversation quickly turned into a tense debate about police authority and citizens' rights in public spaces. And just minutes later, another figure stepped into the exchange. And that arrival had the potential to completely change the direction of the situation. >> I'm never not going to speak anymore at this point. >> Okay. Um >> Sorry, man. He just got called here from the guard shack. >> I know I told him I'm sorry. He's hollering at me and I'm not on his property. I said I'm not on your property. And there's nothing you can do about it. I called the police. They'll tell you the same thing. So, I was hoping you'd come out here and educate him and tell me to have a nice day. >> Your officer here is harping me for my ID. Oh. >> So, I'm not real happy about it. So, I don't know what you want to do about it. You said you're the supervisor. >> Yep. So, look, we're obviously not trying to give you a hard time about the whole situation. >> I'm just trying to keep you doing your job out here. I'm out here doing my job. >> I understand. >> I don't want to be held up any longer. >> I understand. >> I'm not >> But well, you technically are right now. Um I just I just need your ID. >> Okay. I don't have it on me. I'm I'm not going to give anything. I'm not going >> Okay, so just I'm just going to try to >> It's fine. I just told you >> You giving us your We're not going to give it out to anybody, okay? This whole incident is is documented. >> Would you just listen to me for >> I don't want to listen to you. I want to be free on my way to do what I want to do. >> You can still be if you let us do our job, though. >> You can still be if you let us do our job, though. This is preventing you from doing what you want to do, though. So, we could be out of your hair if you gave us your ID. >> I want to turn around and go back to where I was going. >> Okay, that's fair. So are we. >> I don't know. I'm not stopping you guys. I'm not detaining you. >> So, much like much like you want us to educate the other individual, we are going to Now is the time for us to educate you, okay? >> Ooh, okay. Let's hear it, man. Let's hear >> So, when it comes >> Yeah, this is a good one. This is a good >> So, when it comes to stopping somebody, right? Suspicious >> I know 11-1902. I know the code. So, let's I know the code. We're going to >> So, are you aware of the basic things that you have to provide a police officer when they come >> when you have you either have to think I'm committing, I'm about to commit, or I have committed a crime. You told me I've done nothing wrong. So, you don't have that. So, I have no obligation to give you anything. That's the problem here is you have no suspicion of me breaking any laws. You already stated that on camera. >> Yep. >> So, there's no need to go push any further with this. You guys are escalating this and you're trying to violate my rights and my fourth amendment to get my ID and trying to tell me you have to get my ID. You don't have to get my ID unless I'm breaking the law. That's how it works. >> Okay. >> So, if we're going to keep doing this, that's fine. I'll just we can I'm not going to ID. So, >> where do you want to go from here? Well, you know, obviously we would really enjoy >> As the debate over the right to demand identification continued, the atmosphere between the two sides grew increasingly tense. The situation seemed to reach a stalemate, with neither side willing to back down. Then a new explanation was introduced, and things began to shift in a way no one expected. >> D.S. Milner, what's your badge number? >> 1088 is the >> Ooh, [cheering] man, this is great stuff. You can just stop anybody and not >> Yeah, man. Take it as official that You can just stop anybody you want cuz you >> Cuz you got cuz you got a call. >> That sounds pretty terrible. >> But, I hear you guys think that way. >> I'll talk >> Are you his supervisor? Are you his direct supervisor? >> Uh, well, based on the ranking person >> your your name, sir? >> Dufort. >> Dufort? >> Yes, sir. >> Look, Wow. Good one. >> What? >> I don't know why we're still here. I told you exactly what I'm doing. I'm a journalist. I'm gathering content, I'm on public property, I've never entered the property once, I'm not trespassing, I'm not loitering. I'm breaking no laws. Why are we still here? You're law enforcement. >> That's true. >> Let's enforce the law here. >> So, look, I'm just talking to you, man. >> I don't want to talk anymore. I already told you that. I want to go back to doing my job. Like you guys should be going back to yours, too. You're here not doing anything. You're harassing a law-abiding citizen right now. I'm not breaking any laws. We already established that. >> So, you never stepped foot on their property, I take it? >> I got the whole I've still been filming the whole time. >> Two times now. >> Do you know why he called specifically? >> He came out to me >> Yeah. >> and told me I can't film, and then he went back in there. I guess he called somebody, and then he came back out again and said I can't film. I said, "Dude, I don't want to argue with you. I'm not going on your property. I haven't been on it. I'm not on it. This is public. This is the police's job. Call them, cuz you can't enforce anything on public." I said, "If you don't like it, then call them." And I didn't know if he did or not. It's been a while since I said that. I was getting ready to leave. That's why I was going back here once more to get some shots, and I was about out of here, and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] they showed up finally." >> Yep. >> I was just I didn't want you chasing me around. I was kind of waiting for you, you know? I didn't want to just run away. I got I'm not hiding anything. That's what I'm trying to say. >> So, you wanted us to come out here, is that it? >> Not really, but when he said that, I I wanted to wait for you guys. I'm not going to like be around town and have you guys chasing after me. >> I mean, you called someone at the police station, took the phone call, and we just responded out here, so >> Well, I mean, when you get out here, you see that, hey, some guy's just taking pictures in public. He's good to go. He's not doing anything wrong. He's turning around. You don't even have to come talk. I get it if you want to, that's great. I don't mind you coming and talking. I tell you what I'm doing, but as soon as we try to escalate to, "Oh, we're going to get your ID," it becomes an issue. >> I asked for your ID. >> Uh okay, I'm not going to That's fine, dude. You told me you have the right to >> game. That's what you're doing. >> After several minutes of intense debate, the conversation finally began to slow down. The legal arguments had been laid out, and both sides seemed to be weighing their next move. But just when things appeared to be settling, a brief exchange between the officers suddenly pushed the situation in a different direction. >> Okay, you're correct. Okay? We don't need to push the envelope any further. >> Yeah. >> Okay? >> Yeah, I'm good. You're >> not detained. We're just having a consensual conversation. Okay? >> All right. That's That's fine, man. >> All right. Look. Obviously, we're not out here to give you a hard time. We really genuinely not. >> I get it. Yeah. >> Okay? The only reason we were out here is because we're called out here. Okay? They don't know what's going on. There's a lot of weird stuff going on in the world. They don't know. He's sitting in a He's sitting in a >> I understand what you're saying. Get it. >> He's sitting in a shack and he sees some dude with cool equipment walking around. He's probably like, "What the heck is going on?" >> Yeah. I get it. Yeah. But they're a big company. They got a lot They got a lot going on. There's a lot of people want to know about it. I'm just out here getting pictures of signs so I can put it in like a story or something like that. Getting videos. I see if they have any cars with their labels on them. Something like that. So I'm just out here trying to get some shots. >> More power to >> It's all good, man. >> Okay. Look. Just be careful. Okay? >> Yeah. I'm good. I don't mind when they I'd rather you guys come out here and educate them. That way if it goes away, they can go back to doing their job. I can go back to doing my job. Everything's cool, you know? So when they come out here saying something, it's my turn to call the police. It's fine. I don't mind dealing with you guys. I I'll help. But these people come out, they tell them what's going on. "Hey, he's allowed to do it. Don't worry about it." And then they have a nice day. That's what I look for. I don't You know, they don't do anything to my name. I'm not doing anything wrong. >> Okay. Well, look. At the end of the day, I agree with you. Okay. I I do. And that's why I'm not pushing this any >> It's the law. All right. >> I'm not disagreeing with you. So. Um obviously, there's nothing that we can articulate that's that's going on. >> I don't think so. >> Okay. I hope not. So, look. Friends, since I Again, I don't know your name. Okay? I wish you nothing but the best. >> I appreciate it. >> Now, obviously, in the future, if somebody were to call and there was something that we could articulate, we would definitely write it. Okay? >> I got you. That's why I don't do that. So I know what I'm doing. I'm out here. I stay on public. I got you, man. >> Be careful. >> Yeah. I'm good. Appreciate it. You guys have a nice night. >> You too. Be careful, all right? >> After several minutes of tense debate, the situation finally began to calm down. The officers seemed to realize that things were not as simple as they had initially thought, [music] but before leaving, a few final words were exchanged. And they made the entire situation far more thought-provoking. In a society governed by the rule of law, the rights of citizens and the responsibilities [music] of law enforcement must always be balanced through understanding, respect, [music] and transparency. Hey everyone, what do you think about this situation? If you enjoyed the video, don't forget to like, subscribe, and support us with a donation. Thank you so much. >> [music]