Step out of the vehicle. Step out of the vehicle. >> Kidnap me. >> I'm not going to kidnap you. >> a seat. >> Listen to me. >> No. >> Listen to me, ma'am. You're going about You're going about this the wrong way. >> Bro, let me go. >> Okay, you're going to go in handcuffs if you stop. >> Who? >> Where's your pocketknife? >> It's in my pocket. Where else? >> Okay, stop. >> told you. >> And the other one? >> Like Bro, I'm just walking home because I don't know what you guys are doing. Now, show me your >> You don't know what we're doing? You just seen us shopping. >> license. >> You don't Look, you see all these bags in the back of the car? We just came out of the store seeing you. So, you know what we're doing. >> license. >> What happens when the people enforcing the law start acting like it doesn't apply to them? Today's cases show just how quickly an ordinary encounter can turn into a shocking abuse of power. But this time, the officers picked the wrong people to push around. Stay until the end because each story is more unbelievable than the last. >> [music] >> Your hands behind your back. >> Hands behind your back. >> Hands behind your back. >> You want to play games? Now, you're under arrest. >> August 5th, 2025 started like any normal day in Venice, Florida >> [music] >> until Officer Victor Martinez decided to turn a simple traffic stop into something [music] much bigger than it ever needed to be. What was supposed to be a routine check for an allegedly expired registration [music] quickly spiraled into a confrontation that raises one simple question. What happens when the person enforcing the law doesn't even get the law right? >> Sorry. >> You do not consent. You do not wish to contract with me. You don't answer questions. All right, turn your vehicle off for me. >> All right, good. 94, I got a sovereign citizen. >> Turn your vehicle for me. 10-4. Ma'am, can you turn your vehicle off for me? All right, listen to me. I know you don't answer questions, but you're going [music] to listen to what I'm going to say. If you don't open the vehicle door and you step out, >> [music] >> and you turn the vehicle off, I'm going to break the window, and I'm going to take you out of the vehicle, and I'm going to take you under arrest. Okay, do you understand that if you don't comply with what I'm saying, you are going to go under arrest. >> Right from the start, Officer Montanez was met with resistance, but not the kind he probably expected. The driver wasn't engaging, repeating [music] that she didn't consent and didn't contract. Now, sure that argument isn't [music] legally solid, but watch how fast things escalate instead of slowing things down. He jumped [music] straight into command mode, like compliance was the only acceptable outcome, and that added suit. That's where things already started going sideways. >> Yeah, 10-4. Like I said, 10-4. All right, one more chance. All right, I'm going to have her 10-15. I need 94 to close the windows on me or I'm going to break the window. I understand that it's a female driver telling me that, and I'm going to break the window and take you under arrest. Step out of the vehicle. Step out of vehicle. >> You're kidnapping me. >> [music] >> I'm not going to kidnap you. >> a fee. >> Listen to me. >> No. >> Listen to me, ma'am. You're going about You're going about this the wrong way. >> Within seconds, Officer Montanez went from asking to outright threatening force, [music] and that jump felt way too fast for what was supposed to be a minor traffic stop. [music] A registration issue isn't exactly a high-risk felony situation. Yet, he was already talking about breaking windows and making arrests. That kind of escalation tells you everything. When authority gets challenged even slightly, patience disappears and ego takes the wheel. >> You're just going to get a citation. You're about to go to jail for resisting. >> [music] >> Do you understand? So, step out of the vehicle. >> [music] >> Ma'am, I don't want to use force against you. Ma'am, I don't want to use force against you. You understand that, right? Ma'am, okay. Turn your vehicle off, ma'am. Open your vehicle door. >> At this point, Officer Montanez made it clear that compliance wasn't optional. It was mandatory on his terms immediately. He repeated commands, raised [music] urgency, and pushed the situation toward arrest. And here's the issue. When you remove space for communication, all you're left with is confrontation. That's exactly how you turn a routine stop into a full-blown incident. And it was about to get worse in just a few seconds. >> Open your vehicle door. Step out of the vehicle. I'm breaking the window. Open the vehicle door. You are under arrest. At this point, you have no say. Open the vehicle door. Open the vehicle door. You are under arrest for resisting. Step out of the vehicle, ma'am. You are under [music] arrest for resisting. Step out of the vehicle, ma'am. Step out of the vehicle. Step out of the vehicle. Step out. Step out of the vehicle. >> And just like that, the window was broken and the driver was pulled out. Now, legally, [music] officers can use force to remove someone refusing commands, but here's where it gets interesting. The law doesn't just ask if force is allowed, [music] it asks if it's reasonable. And when the original stop itself starts looking questionable, everything that follows suddenly sits on very shaky ground. And that's a problem that doesn't go away. >> Yeah, break it. Step out of the vehicle or you're going to get tased. Step out of the vehicle or you're going to get tased. Step out of the vehicle. Step out of the vehicle. I don't want to hurt you. Step out of the vehicle and do what I say. Step out of the vehicle. Get behind your back. Hands behind your back. Hands behind your back. You want to play games? Now, you're under arrest. Yeah, that's fine. >> As they ran her information, it became clear the driver hadn't been cooperating from the start, [music] refusing to provide documents and questioning everything. Again, not a smart move legally, but also not a justification for sloppy policing. Officers still have to follow procedure regardless [music] of attitude. You don't get to skip steps just because someone annoys you, right? >> Simple as hell. You should have just complied. All right, ma'am. I'm going to help you. I'm going to have you step out. Open your pocketbook. Clear out your center. >> [music] >> Open it. >> [music] >> We'll make your flight start at 10:30. We're one. White female conscious breathing. Operations. Huh? >> Honestly, I've never seen anyone look more satisfied than officers right after they arrest someone. Of course, the reason doesn't seem to matter or whether they're actually right. People who were probably bullied in school [music] are now taking out their frustrations by arresting citizens who are simply exercising their rights. If that doesn't sound disturbing, I don't know what does. >> No, that's I thought you had some sort >> I saw it. Yeah. >> All right, so male RO. >> What we've got here is I'm running around for right now. >> Okay. >> But that's >> Yeah, she wouldn't give me license or nothing, so And she was like I don't contract with you. I don't answer questions. All right, well Step up. >> Was she trying to record or something? She was on the phone talking. >> I don't know. >> I think she was trying to call her lawyer. I really don't know. >> Officer Montanez formally placed her under arrest and read her rights, wrapping the situation in official procedure. On paper, everything looked proper. Charges, citations, [music] resistance, it all sounded neat and justified. But here's the thing, paperwork can look perfect while the foundation is completely flawed. [music] And if the reason for the stop doesn't hold up, none of this matters the way he thinks it does. >> All right, you're under arrest for resisting and whatever else I can See what's left on the vehicle. Um Your vehicle's going to get towed. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will [music] be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to talk to an attorney and have him or her present with you before any questioning. If you cannot afford to hire an attorney, one will be appointed to represent you in [music] all calls before any questioning if you wish. You can decide anytime to exercise these rights and not answer any questions or make any statements. >> [music] >> Do you understand each of these rights that I explained to you? All right. >> Back at the scene, officers started reviewing details about the vehicle ownership and towing decisions, trying to make sure everything lined up. You could almost feel the shift from control to caution. When officers start double-checking everything [music] mid-scene, it usually means doubt is creeping in. And in this case, that doubt wasn't random. It was building towards something that would completely [music] change how this entire stop looked. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to here. >> Okay. All right, we'll get that documented. >> And here. >> [music] >> All right, one little poke. >> Let me put some band-aid on this. Sorry this. >> Yeah, they're working on it right now. >> I was trying to wait for 94 as much as I could, but I was afraid that she was also going to take off and >> Yeah, when you're going >> Which is she would have take off, that's fine, but >> [music] >> here >> Outside of gathering the information. Car's getting towed. >> Yes. >> Uh she used the tag. >> Okay. You got my >> Officers started going through the vehicle situation, talking about ownership, tags, and whether they were even allowed to tow it. The hesitation says everything. A minute ago, everything was clear and justified, [music] and now suddenly they needed to double-check basic procedures. I mean, if they were so confident they did everything right, why are they suddenly questioning it now? >> Documentation says if driver is owner, seize tag. >> Exactly. Yeah, so we can't take it because uh I think her husband is, but she's not a the registered owner. >> She's not a registered owner on the title. >> No. >> Uh just run that by Steve, our traffic guru. >> Yeah, let me call him. >> Make sure we're complying with what we need to do as far as the state is concerned. >> Yeah. >> What? >> The insurance part? >> No, she didn't provide none of that. >> [music] >> Inventory the car and make sure we have >> Yeah. >> All right. No injuries? >> No, it's just >> [music] >> There's a fee for miscellaneous material. The fee is free. >> Then it got even more interesting. Officer Montanez muted his body camera and even removed it for a period of time while talking to a supervisor. Nothing builds trust like [music] turning off the one thing that's supposed to document your actions, am I right? Body cams exist for accountability, not convenience. [music] And moments like this, that's exactly when we need to start asking what didn't make it on record. >> I got several charges. I got resisting I got failure to comply with law enforcement plus several citations. >> All right, yeah. We'll handle it from >> Thank you, guys. Mhm? She did have a gun, huh? Yeah, that was my fear right there. [music] Can you run the signal zero? Make sure it's not [music] signal 10. Yeah. Just take pictures of that, too. >> [music] [music] >> Yeah, if you can get it out, get the serial for me. Since you have the [music] gloves on, I'll take a picture of that. >> After that little off-camera moment, the focus shifted to the vehicle again. And suddenly, a firearm was discovered inside. And just like that, the narrative almost tried to justify everything that happened earlier. But here's the problem. You don't get to retroactively fix a bad stop [music] by finding something later. That's not how probable cause works, as far as I know. You need a valid reason before the stop, not after. >> That's a Glock 43, I think. Yeah. 43. Turn it >> [music] >> the other way so I can get the serial number. Yeah. All right. And then you can run it on four. For me, I'm going to go on county. Uh I say seize it because [music] uh it's in the vehicle, you know what I mean? Yeah. >> [music] >> Yeah. All right, your vehicle's being towed by Talen. Talen. And the firearm that's in the car is going to go to Manatee Police. You can recover it after you get out of jail. >> Officers processed the firearm as if it was standard procedure, documenting it, preparing to seize it, and adding it into the report. On [music] paper, it all looked clean and professional. But again, all of that depends on the legality [music] of the stop itself. If the stop falls apart, everything found during that stop becomes questionable, and Officer Montanez was still acting like none of that applied here. >> Where's my wife? Were you kidnapping her? What? >> Stay in the car and leave the traffic stop, please. I'm going to back up 25 ft, sir. We're not We don't have to talk. Just go home. >> What? Nobody gave you permission to search that vehicle. >> Don't worry about it. Get out of the scene. That's fine. Get out of the scene and go home. >> Hey, I'm out of the scene right now, buddy. >> Yep, that's fine. You're going to record over there, across, whatever you want. >> I will. >> Just go home. >> I don't have to go home. Don't tell me what to do. >> Have a good day. Just ignore him. >> Do you want to call us then we're with him now? >> I'll be right here. >> I'm going to wait until he's done. That's what I'm asking. >> Just ignore him. I'll let him know. It's going to Talen Towing. We'll give her a copy of it. [music] >> Where can I pick her up at? >> Sarasota County Jail. Sarasota County, 20 2020 Main Street. >> And how long you got? >> Just give it about 6 hours or so. >> Then the husband showed up, >> [music] >> clearly confused, and trying to figure out what just happened. Officers told him to step back and go home, but once they realized the husband was actually the registered owner, the situation shifted again. Now they suddenly had the authority to [music] seize the tag. Notice the pattern here? Everything kept changing depending on what information came up. >> Okay, hey, they're going to give you a copy of where the car is going. So, if you want to wait real quick. >> Once he approaches the car, once he approaches the passenger seat, he's going to watch him. I got a [music] feeling that was a red light. He came in hot. I was like either this car doesn't see that we're there or he's family. Oh, since he's the owner and he's present, >> [music] >> we can seize the tag now. Hey, your vehicle has a seized tag order. [music] Your vehicle has a seized tag order from the state. So, since you're present and you're the registered owner, I'm taking your tag. Just letting you know. >> [music] >> Put your hands on the steering wheel so we can give you paperwork. Thank you very much. Just keep them visible. >> [music] >> I'm Officer Montanez Venice Police Department. Nice to meet you. Sorry we're meeting this way. It's not the way I wanted to meet you. >> Can you roll down the window so the officer can give you paperwork? >> Officers wrapped things up by handing over paperwork and explaining where the car was going, >> [music] >> trying to present everything as routine. Calm tone, structured process, almost like nothing unusual happened. But let's not forget how we got here. A broken window, a forced arrest, [music] and a whole chain of decisions that all depend on one question. Was the stop even valid to begin with? >> Window doesn't go down, can you She's just going to give you paperwork. We're not interested in nothing that's in the vehicle. So, that is where the vehicle's going to be at, okay? You have any other questions for us? It's called Talant Toan. >> Talant? [music] >> Talant. >> Talant? >> Yep. The address is down there. >> At the bottom? >> Yep. >> Right there, North Port? >> Yep, Pan American Boulevard. >> Um What should you pull over for? >> Huh? >> What should you pull over for? >> I don't have [music] to tell you that information, but as long as you comply, I'm good. Okay? Expired registration for 2 years, cease tag order from the state. The only thing she had to do was give me her license, I would have given her a citation, and we would have left. She decided to make this difficult, and I didn't want to go that route. That was her decision, not mine. >> After everything came to light, all citations were dismissed, and the resisting charges were dropped as well. The department confirmed the stop [music] wasn't supported by evidence, which basically invalidated the entire encounter. Officer Montanez was hit with multiple sustained violations during the internal investigation, and ended up resigning before any formal discipline could be imposed. But, if you think the stop was bad, [music] just wait until you hear the story of racist cops who detained a teen for walking because that's one on a whole different level. A 16-year-old kid named Jeremiah was simply walking home in Battle Creek, Michigan, trying to stay warm in cold weather, when police decided [music] that his body language somehow meant criminal activity. Hands in his [music] pants suddenly became a reason to stop him, question him, and eventually detain him. And from that moment on, everything turned [music] into a perfect example of how quickly assumptions can replace actual evidence. >> Hey. What's going on, man? Come here. You're not in trouble. Come here. Come here. What's going on? Come here. Stop. You're being detained. Stop. Stop. Come here. I just want to talk to you. Come here. Come here. Come here. No, stop. Stop. Stop. Okay, put your hands behind your back. Is it just a knife? Stop. I just on camera. That's fine. I'm just patting you down. Stop. Okay, you're going to go in handcuffs or you're going to stop. Where is your pocket knife? Okay, stop. Bro, I'm just walking home. Okay, will you stop Will you chill out and listen to me for a second? The situation escalated when Jeremiah kept walking and asked what crime he had committed. Instead of answering that basic question, [music] the officer doubled down and physically detained him. But, when a simple legal question gets ignored, it often means the officer doesn't have a real answer. [music] But, wait because this was only the beginning. Okay, I'm not trying to make your day worse. Stop. I'm I'm trying to make your day worse. Will you listen to me? No, I need your name. Okay, you're going to go in handcuffs. Stop. Stop. Stop it. Stop. Stop. Stop. What happened? Listen. Listen, I'll talk to him. I'll talk to him. Okay. Will we all listen together? As the officer ex- >> himself, he focused on how Jeremiah was walking and holding his waistband. That explanation sounds detailed until you actually think about it. Adjusting clothing in cold weather somehow became suspicious behavior. If that's the standard, then normal day-everyday movement [music] becomes a reason to stop anyone. >> We're all yelling right now. Just let's all listen together. >> This is This is the second time. This is the >> Listen. He's walking down the road. He Okay. He sees me. He's clutching his waist area. Listen. He's clutching his waist area. >> Listen. I'm walking home. >> He's clutching his waist area, walking away. What? Listen. He sees me, looks multiple times to make sure I'm not following him. I drive down the road and park, and he turns around and starts walking the other way, still clutching his crotch. So, this is It's cold out. Listen. I'm walking home. People always I know, but I just have to make sure that he doesn't have a gun. Because he's not listening to me. This is the second time. I just need his name. Well, listen. When people commit crimes, they act the way he was acting, okay? >> The officer kept insisting that behavior alone justified the stop, but never connected it to a specific crime. Suspicion without a crime attached to it doesn't hold up. Anyone can look suspicious depending on who's watching. The law requires something more concrete >> [music] >> than a feeling, and that part was clearly missing here. But, that's why they're called law enforcement, not feelings enforcement, right? >> But, so if I get called saying 6 minutes for a man in a gray shirt in a gray car Listen. Listen. He was showing me every sign of committing a crime. >> But, what What was the crime that I'm walking home. >> There could be anything. >> So, what was the crime he committed? >> So, he He's not listening. I just told you. There's reasonable suspicion. Shaking, I didn't didn't hear no crime. >> What's your suspicion that he had a weapon? >> No, absolutely. >> Listen. They're not listening. He had a pocket knife which he was nervous about. >> walking home. Walking home. I was walking home. >> Down the street. >> Okay, can I talk to his mother? At this point, the explanation leaned heavily on possibility. The officer suggested Jeremiah could have had a gun even though nothing supported that idea at the time. That kind of reasoning opens a dangerous door. If he might have something becomes enough, then anyone walking down the street becomes a target. [music] >> That's not my mother. I ain't doing nothing. >> I'm just trying to Or who do you live with? >> I was going to her house. >> Okay, can I talk to her aunt, please? >> She don't want to talk to you. >> Hi. Can I talk to you over here, please? Thank you. So, I'll talk to you. >> All right. >> So, he's wearing his face covering. Are you listening? >> Yeah. >> He's wearing his face covering. He sees a patrol car. He walks away clutching his crotch and is looking back multiple times to make sure I'm not coming up to him. So, when people grab their crotch area, we can start to assume, especially in Washington Heights, that they could have a firearm, especially with how many people have been shooting at each other. >> Right. Well, he don't have no firearm. >> Listen. So, I drove down the road just past him and he's panicking looking at me. I stopped at the end of the road. He panics looking at me, turns around, starts walking the other way making sure I'm not following him. So, I just like, "Hey, can you just come talk to me and make sure you don't got any weapons?" Cuz people been shooting at each other. >> So, he don't have a weapon. >> He had a pocket knife. He had a pocket knife on him and he was very nervous. So, then he starts trying to pull away from me and freaking out. And I'm like, "Look, it's no big deal. We took his pocket knife out of his pocket. I'm like, just give me your name and we'll be on our way." And he's refusing to give me his name and starts freaking out trying to walk away. So, all I'm asking is for his name cuz he's exhibiting so many He's exhibiting so many signs of committing crimes. >> When the adult stepped in and challenged the officer, the entire argument started to crack. He pointed out how normal Jeremiah's behavior actually was. [music] And suddenly the officer had to defend something that didn't make much sense anymore. Can someone please tell this officer that no [music] matter what he says, he isn't going to justify his actions. Please, spare us. >> People don't do that kind of stuff. >> So that's all I'm asking for his name and I'm going to be on my way. >> Okay. I was just I'm so confused though. What makes you think this Does he walk in and grab his >> Because that is a >> pulling up his pants. >> No, but it wasn't. He was holding it and walking for a long, long time. >> So you don't have a gun though. He's a kid. He's only 16 years old. >> I I agree, but he was very, very nervous. So I have to check. >> I don't You don't know what's suspicious about this young man. >> So do you mind if I have you >> [music] >> Uh what what? >> Because you guys are I'm just trying to have a conversation. Let me get his Okay. And what's his last name? >> Why does that matter? >> The officer tried to justify everything by talking about what could happen in the future like getting a call about a crime moments later. [music] That sounds convincing until you realize it has nothing to do with what actually happened. The officer tried to separate the reason for stopping Jeremiah from the reason for putting him in handcuffs. That sounds technical, but it doesn't fix the core issue. Because if I get called like I just tried to explain to him he didn't care. But if I get called in 3 minutes and he we get a call about him called about him for what Listen, he everything he was exhibiting was I just compared it to crime and I'm afraid of the police. He takes handcuffs off, but he ain't You just can't leave right now. >> What? Like that's just not normal. Everything he was doing >> It is normal. Y'all got to stop doing that saying something not normal cuz he's grabbing his waistband. >> You just told me he shouldn't even Why you walking out here? >> I don't know why I I want to know why he's walking around here cuz I'm confused on why he came around. I'm just trying to figure out why he even came around. >> Okay. Okay, but we're just trying to make sure everyone's safe. >> Everyone's safe. >> Everything he was doing exhibited I just committed a crime. I'm telling you nobody walks a whole entire block with his hand on their And triple checking to see if we're following We're good. >> The officer kept repeating that Jeremiah's behavior showed signs of criminal activity, but no actual crime ever came up. That repetition doesn't help. Saying something multiple times doesn't make it true. It just highlights how thin the reasoning [music] is when you really listen to it. And by this point it was clear the explanation wasn't getting any stronger. [music] >> But it's No, but pockets is different than holding my waistband. >> I was like this. It was It's cold out here. >> With one hand and the other one's walking? >> Yes. >> Everyone can have guns and shoot at each other, right? Perfect. This reasonable suspicion. Reasonable suspicion. Okay. >> wrong to make sure the community safe. I'm not saying that you're wrong. I want you to make sure the community safe because I want my nephew to be safe. But at the same time it's ways to make sure we safe without arrest putting him in handcuffs. >> You have to when you act the way he was acting. I'm sorry. Yes, sir. Not even close. Yeah, I said please stop and he said no. Because it's reasonable to believe that he's committed a crime or has committed a crime. >> It was hilarious watching the officers act like they could make a blanket statement over something as ridiculous as nobody walks like that. Who says that? >> [music] >> I walk like that mother Does that mean I should be arrested because it somehow makes me look [music] dangerous? I just can't stand officers who will literally say anything to justify what they're doing. You're not You don't know what I'm talking about cuz you don't You don't learn that. Okay, call them and they will say everything that I just said is reasonable suspicion. Okay, who would you like to call? I'll speak with them. Rainwater. Yeah. But why are you stopping him and talking to him since you don't like to stop and talk to him either? >> No, not just for it just because you want to. No. No, that's the [ __ ] That is. >> I don't want people to walk around looking like they just committed a crime. I don't want that. >> Their main reason for arresting him was that he resisted the police and didn't stop when they told him to. Do these officers realize they have no right to give orders to someone who isn't breaking the law? No? Didn't anyone ever teach them that they have no authority over citizens who haven't committed a crime? Apparently [music] not because our next case is even worse than this one. This all started in a shopping district in Indianapolis after two guys spent over a thousand dollars inside a store. An off-duty cop watched them eat the entire time, followed them outside, and then suddenly got interested in their license plate. So, they did something cops hate the most. They came back and asked a simple question. Why are you doing this? >> I want to I want to be in front of the store where you pulled me over. I said I should have You got to have a You got to have a reason for pulling me over. >> For what? >> Because I told you to. >> You have to have a reason, sir. You didn't You didn't pull me over. You didn't pull me over. >> out or I'll hit for backup and I'll take you to the other car. Go get your driver's license >> Call your supervisor, sir. >> Get your driver's license [music] out right now. >> Call your supervisor. Get your Call your supervisor, cuz you have no You're not pulling me over. >> Get your driver's license out right now. Show me ID. >> When they came back and asked why he was doing it, the officer couldn't give a straight answer. He immediately jumped to demanding ID like that would magically justify everything he was doing. >> [music] >> That's just not how it works, sir. You don't get to demand identification just because you feel like it. There has to be reasonable suspicion of a crime, not just curiosity mixed with ego. >> Call your supervisor. >> What do you need my ID for, sir? >> Well, because you you want to run your mouth to me. >> No, because you was looking at my license plate for what? >> exactly You don't have the right to run your mouth. >> I GOT MY RIGHT TO DO ANYTHING I WANT TO DO. I'M a police officer. That doesn't mean anything. That doesn't mean anything. >> out or I'll pull you tow your car. >> You can't tow my car because you're not pulling me over. You're not pulling me over. >> Get your driver's license >> number, sir? >> Right there it is. >> What's your name? >> Can you read it to me? >> Yeah. >> What's your name? >> Read your badge number and your name. >> driver's license out. >> Read your badge I'm taping >> You can't lock me up. You can't lock me up. >> Control top 3315. >> We asked you to call a supervisor, sir. >> Yeah, I'm I'm telling you we're not getting a supervisor. >> We're not getting a supervisor? You see he said >> driver's license out. >> So he's not getting a supervisor. We requested a supervisor. >> I don't mind showing you my driver's license, but you What is your reason that you're asking? >> Because >> Why? >> The situation escalated when he kept repeating that they were suspicious without ever explaining what that meant. That word gets thrown around a lot when there's nothing concrete to [music] point to. Buying items in a store and putting them in your car somehow turned into suspicious behavior. If that's the standard, well then every customer walking out of a mall becomes a suspect. >> Because you're acting suspicious. >> About what? You what you We was in there shopping. >> I said show me your driver's license. >> What is the What is this a What is this a suspicion, sir? >> Get your driver's license [music] out. >> You can't You can't say that's suspicious. >> driver's license. That's all. >> Sir, you're not explaining to me. You didn't pull me over. You jumped out your car and asked me did I want to >> investigation. >> What's the inve- What are you investigating? You just seen me in there shopping. I paid I paid I paid for everything that I bought. >> driver's license out. >> Sir, can >> Show me your driver's license. If you If you don't got no warrant or nothing, you're gone. >> I I have no problem >> What or What is the reason that you're stopping me? >> I'm not going to argue with you no more. >> I'm not arguing. I'm trying to understand something. >> show me your driver's license, I'm going to take both of you out and I'm going to tow your car. >> Can you give me your name? >> Your failure to identify. >> I'm not. You have no reason You You have no reason to pull me over. >> your driver's license. >> You didn't even pull You're not even behind me. You jumped out the car and told me to stop. >> right here. >> We weren't in traffic, sir. We were pulling out of a parking spot. >> or I'm going to tow your car. >> You're not going to tow anything. >> car, sir. >> You're not going to tow a car. Call 911. >> I am. On my phone. >> He's lying. >> license >> He's lying, [music] too. I know I know a couple of them. I'm not refusing [music] anything. I just want to know >> First of all, your driver's first of all, you have to suspect a mother >> Then they asked for his name and badge number, which is a completely reasonable request, and he refused. That's always a red flag. Officers are required to identify themselves, especially when they're trying to assert authority. When someone avoids giving basic information while demanding yours, it usually means they know they're stepping outside their lane. >> Problem is I asked for his ID. You didn't do it. >> Are you don't know the law? >> Yeah, yeah, I do know the law. >> No, you don't know the law. >> Once you look at me >> Just show me your driver's license and make this easy. Just show me your driver's license and you can go. >> What's your name, officer? That's all I want, cuz we're filing a >> Show me your driver's license and you can go. >> We asked for a supervisor, you denied us that. >> I'm not going to get a supervisor. >> I'm asking for your name. >> Off-duty employment. >> You're off-duty? >> Exactly, off-duty employment. >> If you're off-duty, then why are you stopping people? >> Now, I'm stopping you because you're suspicious. >> Why are we suspicious? >> Well, what did you come back around for? >> Because I want to know your >> No, you jumped out of the car on us because we looked at you. >> Because I don't know what you guys are doing. Now, show me your >> know what we're doing? You just seen us shopping. You don't Look, you see all these bags in the back of the car? We just came out of the store seeing you, so you know what we're doing. >> Just show them to me. And if your driver's license check out, I'm going to I'm going to let I'm going to let it go. >> Oh, it's not going to be let go. >> I don't care what >> Bro, what is your name? >> threaten me. Are you threatening me? >> going to be let go. >> Are you going to threaten me? >> You're You're Why are you Why are you got your >> You're threatening a police officer. >> Why you got your hand on the window? >> I'm not scared of you. I'm not worried about you. >> I'm not worried about you, either. >> We ain't broke no laws. >> driver's license out right now. >> not broke no laws. Sir, can you give me your name? >> He kept pushing for ID while refusing to explain the reason for the stop. That's not how the law works. Identification comes after a lawful stop, not before it. You [music] don't get to create the stop by asking for ID. That's ass-backwards. >> [music] >> And the more he repeated himself, the more obvious it became that he didn't actually have a legal foundation. >> We like it now. >> We like it. >> Can you identify yourself? >> license out. >> Can you identify yourself? >> license out. >> Can you identify yourself, sir? >> You see who I am. You see my van. >> What is your name? What is your name, sir? >> Control time 3315. >> What is your name, sir? That's all we asking you is your name. >> Ma'am, can you send the officer to back in the off that Nordstrom rack on 8th and 2nd Street? >> Refusing to identify. >> You >> Negative. >> Refusing to identify himself. >> Get your driver's license out. >> I'm a civil servant. Off duty. Off duty. Pulling people over at Nordstrom parking. >> Ain't nobody pulled you over. >> When they pointed out that they had just bought everything in the store, the officer still stuck to the same story. That's the moment it stops being about investigation and becomes about control. [music] Evidence was right there in the backseat, bags full of items, receipts probably minutes old, and he still acted like he was uncovering some major crime. >> You know why you stopped? >> Well, if you ain't pulled us over, you wouldn't have seen no license. You jumped out and stopped me. >> No, I said, "Show me your driver's license." >> You jumped out and stopped me. >> "Show me your ID." >> You jumped out and stopped me, sir. >> going to argue with you. >> It's not an argument. Okay, we just had It's just one question. What was the reason for you jumping out on us? >> Suspicious behavior. >> What? Like what? >> Exactly. >> What was the suspicious behavior? Buying a Buying a bunch of shoes at Nordstrom? >> back around to look at me or whatever. >> out the car. You jumped out the car first. You jumped out the car first. That's why we came back. >> license out. It's the last time I'm going to tell you. >> Cuz you ain't got to do nothing. He can't even pull you over out there. He's not He can't pull you over. >> Get your driver's license >> We going to wait for backup, sir. >> Yeah, we waiting. a a an >> over you or >> You you don't have no authority over me. >> Not me. Not me. >> want to ask you We want the supervisor. >> over me. >> We want your supervisor. >> I don't have a supervisor, Al. >> Oh, you're you're a you're a self-contracted civil servant. Is that what you're saying? >> I don't answer questions, do you? >> Well, wait. You don't even answer what your name is, officer. >> Nope. >> You can't even tell us that? >> Nope. >> Are you really an officer of the law? >> Yep. >> We don't have any proof that you are. >> Well, that's your problem. You can exercise that >> is your proof that you're you're even legal to pull >> Shut up. >> Why don't you shut up? I'm not talking to you. >> What is your proof? I'm being calm. You don't have to yell and spit in the car. >> I do. >> Now you're spitting bodily fluids on us. >> Yeah. >> He then tried to say he could run plates for any reason. That's one of those statements that sounds confident until you actually think about it. Law enforcement authority isn't unlimited. There are boundaries, and they exist for a reason. Saying you can do anything you want just because you have a badge is exactly how abuse of power starts. >> There you go. >> You know >> Better get your driver's license out. >> That's all right, officer. We're we're we're complying. You have to suspect him of doing something. Suspicious behavior. >> I got these guys were inside there. They got a bunch of stuff. And uh and they flipped me out to me as they were leaving. They tried to make sure I didn't get their license plate. And then he didn't want to show me ID. >> Off- Officer Shrillman. >> You know, they didn't steal items. >> We bought a bunch of items. >> a bunch of stuff, but but when they were sitting right here, I was trying to get their license plate. He hollers out the window, "You're not getting my plate." And he takes off. So, I went to get him. Then he comes back and he stops here. So, I asked him for driver's license. >> Uh it's all on video. That's not what happened. >> What what is your practice here? >> Nothing at all, officer. >> It's suspicious behavior. I wanted his [music] ID. The reason I pulled him was he calling me out in my car. >> What did I call you, sir? I didn't call you anything. >> I asked you I asked you what were you trying to get my license [music] plate for? That's what I asked you. >> Well, >> and then I came back >> [music] >> to really see what was going on. >> That's why we stopped. >> At one point, he openly said that he had the right to do whatever he wanted because he was a police officer. That right there tells you a lot. The badge gives authority within the law, not above it. The moment someone thinks they're above it, everything they do becomes questionable. >> He put it in the store. With my hazards on, and he jumped out. We have it on record. He jumped out and told me to stop. And started asking [music] us for our ID and all this and that. >> He said we was looking suspicious. How? You We was in the same store he was in. We was shopping. He just seen us >> customer here. I shop here all the time. >> The thing is, he asked for my license for what reason? >> That's all we asked him, officer. That's all we asked him. What What infraction or what's the crime do you suspect us of [music] committing? And then we asked him for a supervisor. He said, "You're not getting a supervisor." >> Hang Hang tight for me for just 1 second. >> Yes, sir. And that's it. Well, they were just rude. This is what he's saying. Now Now >> The situation got worse when he started raising his voice and getting aggressive. While the two guys stayed calm and kept asking basic questions. >> [music] >> One side is trying to understand what's going on, yet the other side is trying to force compliance without explanation. And unfortunately, [music] it was still far from over. >> They were just rude. He said it threateningly. >> Okay. start a trend. >> Don't put it on YouTube. >> I'm not. >> Yeah, look at my belt off. See, they ain't got time for this, fool. >> 911, what happened? >> Nothing. I don't got no money. >> Cuz he's here. >> When backup finally arrived, the story started changing. Suddenly, it wasn't about plates or shopping anymore. It turned into claims about how they acted when leaving. It's a classic tactic. When the original reason doesn't hold up, a new one appears. The problem is everything was already on camera, so those adjustments didn't really land. >> This dude is crazy. I ain't never seen nothing like this, bro. >> We got to upload that, too. >> I have never Oh, this is This is going to the news and everything. He's going to lose his little job. Look. Gosh, she's mad. >> Look at her skirt. >> Yeah, she tight. >> Look at me. >> She probably like me and she had me. She probably like me. He's harassing me now. >> Is that where you going? So, we didn't get your name. We never got your name. >> Hey, officer. >> Yes, sir. >> The responding officer quickly realized there was no actual reason for a stop. You could hear it in how he spoke. He focused on whether there was a traffic violation or reasonable suspicion, and the answer [music] was clearly no. That's the difference between someone following a procedure and someone improvising it on the spot. So, go ahead and guess what happens next. >> Officer, okay, so when we we first came in here, right? So, he comes here all the time. >> Sure. >> I'm his cousin. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we came in here. He bought some things for his daughter. We bought a few pairs of shoes. The girl at the counter knows him well. They had nice conversation. But the whole time this guy is standing in there staring at us, right? Okay. [music] And I don't want to be the first one to say he profiling us or whatever, whatever, [music] you know, or whatever, but it is what it is. >> Sure. >> So, I go back in there. I take the take the little carts back in there. I'm like, "Cuz, this security really beaming [music] on us for some reason." So, I take the carts back in, and the girl we had left one of the bags. [music] So, she's like, "I'm glad y'all came back cuz you left the bags." So, we grabbed the bag. When I come out, we fire up a cigarette. We blowing everything up. And this dude [music] is just staring at us. Then he pulls his notebook out. Mind you, he was in the store the whole time until >> They explained the entire situation calmly, from being watched inside the store to being followed outside. When you lay it out step by step, it sounds exactly like what it was. Not an investigation, not a crime, just some poor loser targeting them and trying to justify it after the fact. And yet the backup officer still chose to hear the tyrant's version of the story first. So, whoever gets to [music] tell the story first is automatically telling the truth. So, let's see how that works out here. >> We came out. We came So, when we first got here, he had pulled up beside us. So, we basically got here at the same time. So, when we come out, he comes out. >> Sure. >> Gets in his car, right? So, once he gets in his car, I'm like, "It's obvious that" I said, "Cuz, he's probably going to try to run your plate." >> Mhm. >> We ain't worried about him running the plate. But the point is, ain't nobody dumb, man. You got to have some type of reason for running the plate. You're a >> Not necessarily. We can we can run plates for any reason we want. >> Okay. Okay. Well, say Well, say that. >> have to have is he has to have what's called reasonable suspicion in order to make a stop. He has to have some sort of reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed. >> Correct. >> And at that point, you know, that that's why I asked him. >> And >> And that's what suspicion you have to stop him. >> And I heard you asking him that. And And my thing was you just seen us buying these items. And that's why when he was explaining to you he was like, "For loss prevention said they stole some stuff." No. >> The conversation turned into a breakdown of actual law, and that's where everything really fell apart for the first officer. Reasonable suspicion isn't [music] just a feeling. It has to be based on specific, articulable facts. Watching someone shop and then walk to their car does not meet that standard, no matter how hard you try to spin it. And the fact that he tried to make up a reason for the stop and a reasonable suspicion afterward doesn't count, apparently. >> That's not what happened. You just seen us buy this stuff, loaded in our car. What's What is making [music] us suspicious? Then he said Then he said >> That's why I asked him that question. >> Well, we asked him to identify himself. Is he supposed to identify himself? We just asked him his name. What's your name, officer? He was like, "I don't got to tell you my name." And blah blah blah. Well, can we see your supervisor? >> He's He's supposed to [music] identify himself as a law enforcement officer. I mean, he can say, "I'm with Marion County Sheriff's Department." >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then he said Then he said something about he's like off duty something [music] something. I said I said cuz he can't even I don't even Cuz does he have the power to even pull people over on the street? We're still in the >> If he's [music] a Marion County Sheriff's deputy, then yeah. >> Okay. That's cool. That's cool. But, we're still in the parking lot. >> a traffic infraction, yeah. >> We're still in the parking lot, man. >> You still [music] commit traffic infractions in a parking lot, but the question is what infraction was committed to justify a stop. As far as I'm concerned, there was no traffic infraction, so there's there's no reason to stop him here. >> So >> They also pointed out that refusing to identify himself only made things worse. That's basic accountability. If you're going to approach people, question them, and demand their information, well, the least you can do is provide your own. And if he really wanted to play hero by stopping someone while he was off-duty, that says a lot about him. It seems like he doesn't have much of a life outside this job. >> [music] >> The only thing he seems to live for is harassing citizens. How sad. >> Can you give us his name? >> I don't know his name. >> He won't [music] give us his name. So, we want to file a complaint. >> Okay. >> And I know he's Lawrence, and that's what I was like, I know y'all ain't got time for this foolishness. >> he Lawrence, or is he I I don't even know his >> It said Lawrence Township, something something. >> So, that that'll be something that you'll have to take up with the Sheriff's Sheriff's Department if that's the case, [music] cuz I honestly I don't know who he is. I've never seen him before. >> He was aggressive, too, man. Like, he was just like like when he you was talking to him, you see how he was stumbling? He couldn't really explain why we're suspicious. Why are we suspicious? >> can we get his his information? >> He won't give it to us. >> get it from the store, maybe? >> I mean, you can I don't know if you can get it from the store, or you can call Lawrence Township >> them who you had on this location. >> working at the Nordstrom Rack at this time on this date. They might be able to give you that information. >> Cuz we definitely want to file a complaint, man. >> If you don't get his name, you can at least give it >> Now, the backup officer claimed he didn't know the name of the officer who made the traffic stop. I don't know if he really didn't know, or just didn't want to give him up, but either either way, these people showed everyone you should never give up your rights, [music] no matter how much the officers threaten you. And don't forget, in the end, they're usually the ones who end up paying the price, even if they arrest you illegally. >> description of him >> I got him on video. >> say this officer, [music] he looked like this, he was driving an unmarked vehicle at this location, this date, this time, and they might be able to figure that out. >> Look at the car they gave him. That's how much they care about him. It's rusted. >> car they gave me. >> [laughter] >> I got a hole in my fender about [music] the size of my hand I can stick through from the rust going on there. That's a 2008 with 188,000 miles on it. I I her Barely Faithful. >> Yeah. Well, we appreciate you being civil with us and and and trying to really figure out what really was going on because look >> The only way for me to figure out what's going on is ask questions. I don't know what's going on until I >> I know [music] y'all know I know IMPD. I know y'all got bigger and better things to do than come up here for some some rogue security officer, man. But he just kind of he just like he made our experience so bad, man, and it was unnecessary and he just >> Okay. >> But I we just wanted to explain it to you, you know, what what was going on because I know he he was >> The entire interaction ended with them being told they were free to go, which was obvious from the start. The only difference was that it took another officer to say it out loud. And that's the part that always stands out. The law didn't change during those minutes. The understanding of it did. >> Couldn't really articulate what he was trying to say. >> Yeah, as as far as as far as I know, based upon what happened, I I don't think either of us have any reasonable suspicion to believe that there's a crime taking place. Right. So, there's no legal requirement for you to identify yourself to an officer at that point. So, if you don't want to give him ID, then, you know, you don't have to give him ID at that point. >> And that's and we tried to we tried to be calm and talk to him like that and he just How do I have to tell you anything? Leaning in the car, spitting all in the car. He's just I don't know if he's having a bad day, his wife left him. I don't know. >> Could be. >> I don't know, man. Your guess is as good as mine. >> But hey, man, I appreciate you, boss. >> you guys are good to go. All right, take care. >> Appreciate it. >> Well, I don't want to have to name blah blah blah. Big [ __ ] >> Big [ __ ] >> Idiot. >> [ __ ] idiot. >> [ __ ] dummy. Look at him. >> Keep it up. >> [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. >> [laughter] >> Piece of [ __ ] >> Keep it up. >> That same day the officer was fired after the video spread and people saw exactly how he handled the situation. >> [music] >> Turns out saying you can do whatever you want as a police officer doesn't hold up very well when the footage is public. The department clearly didn't agree with that philosophy, and that decision tells you everything about how bad this interaction really was. So, if you thought these officers pushed the limits, you're not ready for what's coming [music] next. The cases you saw today are unbelievable, but the next video features encounters that are even more outrageous. Which case shocked you the most? Let us know in the comments, and make sure you don't miss what's coming next.