Why am I screaming? Why am I screaming? Answer the question. Because of you guys. So if you get on with your day, the problem is solved. I DO NOT LIKE COPS. I DO NOT HAVE RESPECT for cops. >> Why do you need to know my You can So you can stop me in the middle of working. I'm working on this man's car. Okay. I'm working. Okay. So in the middle of working, >> you know, in your heart of heart, sir, that there's no reason to want to search me. Once he he's pulling me over for headphones. He come up speak for him. >> But but I'm just >> Sometimes police officers arrive to solve a problem and other times they are the problem. In today's cases, you'll see routine encounters spiral completely out of control because of bruised egos and officers who refused to let things end when they should have. And once they decide they're in charge of teaching someone a lesson, things only get worse. Let's get started. >> Let me explain to you. So, there's no domestic and she she confirmed. >> We need to get her side of the story. No, you're not free to leave yet until she's done talking. >> Okay, here you go. Let me make some decisions. I'm sorry. I didn't >> November 2024 started with something that should have lasted about 2 minutes. An 18-year-old was driving with his girlfriend when the muffler on his car suddenly fell off in a grocery store parking lot. While she stepped out to look at it, another man pulled over and started talking to her. The teenager got angry, told the guy to leave, and that should have been the end of it. Instead, several people called 911. Officers showed up and somehow a frustrated teenager became the biggest problem in the parking lot. >> Give me one second. Okay. >> Wisconsin, Adam. Hey guys, what's the >> So, officer Oak Clip Police. >> So, the reason why I'm making contact with you is because >> some random dude pulled by and I told him to go the way if that's the issue. Okay. Well, we got a call saying that you guys were you were arguing with another girl and that you guys >> open. We can argue and public. >> Okay. Well, we just want to know what's going on. We got a call. So, we got to do our due diligence to come out here and investigate. Okay. >> Argument's gone. >> Okay. >> So, everything's done right now. You never pulled me over. >> Nope. So, right now we're investigating because we got called out here for a reason, right? >> What's the reason you got called out here for? >> That it's a domestic relation. It's a domestic that you guys were yelling at each other. So, we just >> I was yelling at her. My car was broke. She got out. I'm telling you the story. Okay. Some dude pulled by, started yelling at her. I don't like guys talking to my girlfriend. So I got in my car and told him to pull the away. And then after he left, he said, "I >> can you exit the vehicle for me? Can you exit the vehicle for me?" >> Oh, no. I'm fine. >> She's totally fine. >> My partner's going to come here and talk to you. So if you can just exit out of >> I have to work, sir. And I really don't. >> The officers kept repeating that they were just investigating, but the teenager wasn't buying it. He had to get to work. His car was broken. And now strangers with badges expected him to stand around answering questions that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. Then came the muffler. You know you've run out of reasons to keep someone around when a piece of exhaust lying on the pavement suddenly becomes part of the investigation. >> I really don't have >> I understand that but I understand that but the faster you guys the faster you guys cooperate with us and if what did I do wrong to cooperate with you about >> No, the thing is could they could have called on another black male and a female in the car. How do you know it's me? Did they give you a license plate? >> They give us a vehicle with a miss. Can I finish? >> Yeah. There's a grandpa that just pulled out >> on the ground. >> It don't matter. It don't matter. >> Your muffler's on the ground, which I know. And I told you that that's why he was look that's why she got out to look at the car. I got out to yell at the guy to stop talking to my girlfriend. I understand. >> Problem solved, right? >> No. If if it's that if it's that easy, right? Then we wouldn't be having any investigations going on. But >> I don't know why there's >> Why is there investigation? I told the to stop talking to my girlfriend. What's the issue? If you No, say your wife's with you. Say your wife. What's your name, boss? Please. No, I'm not giving this a name cuz my ID's >> okay. You're not helping the whole situation here. >> I don't care. I do not care. >> Norah want 1679. Of course, if you can start an additional >> No, everybody's just getting in my way. I'm just trying to go to work and not my >> Well, he kept seeing. >> The teenager made it crystal clear that he'd rather call his lawyer than keep going in circles. He even admitted he didn't have his physical license with him and told them to write the ticket if they believed they had a reason to do so. Instead of wrapping things up, more officers kept showing up. Apparently, one frustrated 18-year-old with a broken muffler required enough manpower to secure a small music festival. >> No, they do jail, bro. I did. I got paid vacation. This I'll sit in jail to get paid to do it. This gets sent to waste people. >> Norah 16 verse 28 will be >> No, I'm going to call my lawyer. You tell this off. What do you need? There's no insurance on the car and I don't have my license on me. My license are in her car. Write me the ticket and get the [ __ ] out of here. Tell this to get the out of here, man. >> Yeah. And the more that show up, the more hostile theing get. No. >> Okay. >> Can I get out of my car, please, and I'll walk back there away from you guys? Cuz I do not like >> No. So, we need to talk to you. Okay. The whole time I've been talking to you, you've been arguing with me. >> YEAH. CUZ YOU DON'T NEED TOINGING TALK TO ME FOR WHAT? >> LIKE, I haven't explained to you. We got a call saying that you were yelling at a female. >> Okay, if you're talking to me about that situation, the situation's done and someone's coming to fix the car. So, what's the problem? >> Okay, so why were you guys yelling at each other? >> Every answer he gave led straight back to the same story. A random guy talked to his girlfriend. He told him to leave. The guy left. End of story. The officers, meanwhile, kept asking the exact same questions, hoping the 10th answer would somehow be different from the first nine. At some point, you're not investigating anymore. You're just waiting for somebody to lose their patience >> yelling at YOU >> BECAUSE THAT WAS TALKING TO MY GIRL. I TOLD HER to get in the car. I already [ __ ] told you this [ __ ] >> Miss, can you exit the vehicle and talk to her? >> Yes. Exit the vehicle and go tell that the happened. So, I just keep yelling at this Asian telling him the same thing. >> Okay. Muffler's on the ground. Some guy talking to my girlfriend. I told him to leave. Problem solved. Now, get the muffler off the ground. What the's the problem? >> Okay. So, why were you so upset at the guy? >> Because no needs to talk to my girl. Do you want me TO GO HIT ON YOUR WIFE AT THEING BAR? >> ARE YOU OKAY? >> Talk to my girl. >> I'm fine. I was seriously fine after this. Was he hitting on your girlfriend? >> Yes. >> What was he saying >> to me? He was hitting on my girl. I couldn't hear him. I don't want him talking to her. End of conversation. What the's the problem? >> Okay. What's your name? >> I need me toing spell it. Get your notepad. Write it down. What the is the problem? I asked him to stop talking to my girl. He said, "I'm going to call the cops." I said, "Go get." >> His girlfriend quietly confirmed exactly what he'd been saying from the beginning. She wasn't scared of him. She wasn't claiming he threatened her. And she even pointed out something pretty revealing. According to her, the entire situation had already calmed down until the police arrived. [music] Imagine responding to a disturbance only to become the loudest part of it yourself. It seems like cops really do make everything worse. And this surreal encounter confirms this. >> I said, "Okay, good. Stop talking to her." >> We're totally fine. We had to calm down until he showed up and then he started going up sometimes. >> Yeah, I get that. But somebody thought that he was mad at you and I know exactly what happened. And I tried to find this. >> There's no issue except y'all is in my way and I got to go to work. What's the problem? Can you tell me the problem again? Y are in my way. I got to go to work. That guy already left. That issue is done. That's the only issue on the ground is my muffler. I'll get that fixed. Y'all can carry on your day and I can go to work. >> Well, and if you're fine and as long as there's nothing else, if he calms down, we'll let you guys >> and what's your first thing? >> What's the issue? It makes no sense why you're >> Even after hearing the girlfriend's side, the officer still weren't ready to leave. The teenager kept repeating that the guy who started everything was gone. The car was waiting for repairs and he needed to get to work. Somehow none of those facts seem important anymore because by now it almost felt like solving the original call would have ended the fun too early. >> Sense why you're talking to me. When I figured out the other issue, I'm going to solve this one. Y'all can get the on with your day. What the is the problem? >> I'll give you time to talk. >> Yep. I already explained to you. So, there's no domestic and she she confirmed. >> We need to get her side of the story. Nope. You're not free to leave yet until she's done talking. >> Okay, here you go. Don't tell her to make some decisions. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to throw them at you. >> What the [ __ ] is the problem, sir? Like, I'm really getting pissed because I have a nice job and I'm not trying to waste my side of the story. Now, we just need to get hers. >> Yes, she said the same thing. >> You understand? >> Shut the up. GO TALK TO HER NOW. SHE'S GOING TO SAY THE same thing. Shut the up. Jesus, y'all are >> calm down. Just don't I don't want you guys yelling back and forth. Will >> and you can off and go on in your car and have your marry on day. Shut the You're a public servant. SHUT THE UP. I'M NOT ASKING YOU A DAMN QUESTION. >> OKAY, >> get in your car. I want to talk to him. I told >> The teenager's frustration kept growing, which honestly wasn't that surprising. He had already explained himself multiple times, watched officers interview his girlfriend, and still couldn't leave. Cops always say they want people to stay calm. Yet, nothing tests someone's patience faster than refusing to let them move on after you've already confirmed the story. >> Talk to him. I don't want you by my car. >> Talk to my partner. >> Shut the UP. >> I DID NOT ASK YOU A QUESTION. >> We just got an apartment, so things are kind of like chaotic. >> Shut the up. >> You said she's coming to get you. >> I don't want to hear your voice. >> She'll probably end up bringing me home now. >> That might be good. Just with this fired up. Do you want to sit in here and stay warm? >> No, I'm fine. I >> babe, bring me my phone, >> babe. >> Right now, just so he doesn't do anything crazy. >> Can you bring that to my >> This is his. >> Yeah, I need to use his number. >> What's his first name? >> Here. She wants you to talk to up. Give me my phone. >> Shut the [ __ ] up and give me my phone. >> Why? Why are we yelling? >> Because I need to go to work. >> Is this his phone or phone? >> No, that is his phone. That is his phone. >> This is his phone. >> Well, let him calm down a little bit. >> Ma'am, are you mom? >> Why are you so busy? Shut the [ __ ] UP. OKAY, WHAT DID I JUST SAY? THE SAME SENTENCE. Tell me what I said. I need to go to work. Y'all are at work. You're going to make me late for work. That's why I'm >> I don't know why the officers reacted so strongly to a little teenage jealousy. The guy didn't like the way she was talking to someone else, so they argued. She had the option to admit she was wrong or leave him if he's toxic. I don't really see where the officers fit into any of this. Are you seriously telling me they've never argued with their own partner? I'm sure they've done worse. >> That's why I'm pissed. I have to go to work. Do you know English? >> Okay. He's um we got called here because somebody called that he they thought that he was screaming at her and that she was in trouble and that they were arguing and all that. So um obviously obviously us showing up here is aggravating him more. >> Shut the up. ANSWER MY QUESTION. DO YOU KNOW ENGLISH? >> YOU THINK SCREAMING at her and us is going to affect the situation? >> BUT WHY THE ARE YOU ALL UP IN MY FACE? that state he's in right now and his muffler is like completely off the car or dragging from the bottom of the car. >> Give me my phone from that question. >> I DON'T CARE. IT'S NOT HIS PHONE. CAN I get out and grab my phone? And will you go get my phone? I'm getting out my phone. >> Why can't I get out to get my phone? >> He just tried to offer you A PHONE. >> YES. AND THEN WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO ME >> cuz you're screaming. >> Yes, it's mying phone. >> The teenager kept asking one simple question. Was he free to leave so he could get to work? Instead of answering it, the officers kept trying to negotiate his attitude as if that was suddenly the crime they were investigating. Of course, they enjoyed seeing someone else stressed. They enjoyed making people beg and fear them, and someone who's only 18 and has no experience could easily be provoked by that >> phone. >> You're screaming in the middle of a parking lot. >> Y'all are backing the up. This is not I'm not joking. I'ming wealth and I worked 14 hours last night. I'm darker than every here. Get the out of my face. I have to go to work. If you guys reach my car, there's going to be an issue and I promise it. And I'mma smile and go to jail. Vid vacation. I'lling do it. >> Yeah. Uh I don't know. Now he's rolling up his window. And if he's in the car and he's being calm, I think that that's about all we're going to >> I'll open the window when y'all are ready to go back. >> Is Is this always like this or what's the deal? >> I don't like cops. Y'all are some >> I wasn't talking to you. >> Talk to my girl. SHUT YOUR MOUTH. DON'T ANSWER ANOTHER QUESTION. DON'T answer another question or I'm going to keep getting pissed with them. Tell them to shut the up. Give me my [ __ ] >> You have no right to have your hands on my Shut the up and scram. >> No, I don't want to talk to him. I have to go to work. >> The teenager eventually stepped out of the car because he was tired of sitting there, but he still tried to keep his distance from the officers. He even suggested standing on a nearby line so everyone had space. Funny enough, the only person trying to create distance was the guy the police kept calling aggressive. Meanwhile, every officer kept moving closer, then acted surprised when his frustration continued climbing. >> And y'all forced me to sit in this [ __ ] >> Calm down. >> Bad told me I couldn't get out. >> Calm down. >> God, I DIDN'T WANT TO PUNCH. CAN'T I GET OUT OF THIS ENCLOSED ASS SPACE? ACTUALLY, I DON'T CARE. I'm getting out and I'm going to walk a safe distance where I [ __ ] you ass. >> Okay. >> Hey, come here. >> What do you need? Don't. I'm going to talk towards me. Go the away. All for you. >> THEN COME AND TALK. >> I'M TALKING TO YOU, but you don't need to walk. Stand on the white line and I'll stand on the white line. Problem solved. >> Look around you. >> Yes. >> What you're doing? If we wanted to take you to jail for >> Yes, you can. And I will call in paid vacation. >> So, tell me what the needs to happen. >> Okay. >> I don't have time for this. >> You just want to talk? >> Yes. And I don't have time to talk. I have time to know if I need to call in paid vacation or go to work. That's what I have time for. I've been trying to explain it to the Asian [ __ ] and he didn't listen. Also told me I couldn't get out of my car. So tell that he doesn't know what the And just like that, one officer claimed the teenager's behavior had become disorderly conduct. Wisconsin's disorderly conduct law generally requires conduct that tends to cause or provoke a disturbance. Simply criticizing police or using profanity toward officers [music] isn't automatically enough by itself under the First Amendment. The teenager certainly wasn't polite, but being rude to government employees has never magically erased constitutional protections. >> He doesn't know what the he's talking about. >> No, I could tell you you can't get out of your car. >> Did you tell me too? Every tell me a different >> calm down. What's the main issue here? >> Here's the main issue is that I'm mad. >> You're in the middle of a grocery store parking lot screaming and people >> I wasn't screaming until that showed up till you guys shut up. >> But you are now. >> Okay. So, why am I screaming? Why am I screaming? Answer the question. Because of you guys. So, if you get on with your day, the problem is solved. I DO NOT LIKE COPS. I DO NOT HAVE RESPECT FOR COPS. Y'ALL HAVE ME OVER ONCE BEFORE. I don't want to talk to you. So, why the do I need to talk to you? Because what you are doing is illegal. It is our job to >> Why is it illegal to argue? >> Because it's disorderly conduct. >> You is that illegal? >> Yeah, it is. >> Because it's free to speak. >> No, it's not. >> I can tell you to off all I want and you and you and you. >> The officers finally pieced together what had actually happened. His muffler fell off. His girlfriend checked the car. Another man approached her. The teenager told him to leave. [music] and the caller didn't even appear interested in pursuing anything. So, after 15 minutes of questioning, they arrived at the exact same story they were told during the very first minute. That's one expensive way to learn how listening works. >> You and you and you. It's literally yes, I cannot. Yet, you're going to tell me I can't tell you to screw off. You're going to tell me I cannot tell you to screw up >> in a calm voice where the entire grocery store >> and get in your car and go >> once once we have a calm conversation. >> Sorry, but that was in a calm voice. Okay, >> I am calm now to suck my and go on with their day. >> I'm sorry. >> I'm done with this. >> I don't care what you call me or tell me, but as soon as you start talking, >> okay, what do you think? >> What? >> She said that everything between them like no between obviously we have a disorder coming down here. >> We have DC and what he was saying was >> think his cars were broken down. So he came in here, he told her to go check them. She went out guy that called us drove up to D and started talking to her. He didn't like that he was talking. >> Okay. Does a caller want to do anything? >> I have not spoke with the caller yet. By the time I got here, I made contact and he was already >> even after admitting they understood the situation. The officers still focused almost entirely on how upset the teenager became while dealing with them. Four officers surrounding an 18-year-old who repeatedly said he needed to leave for work probably wasn't the greatest recipe for calming somebody down. And somehow it was still far from the end. >> I'll let you decide whatever you want to do. I mean obviously >> this looks like Sam with a smile on his face. I don't want to talk to these. >> I guess whatever it's true they literally want to off in a circle and talk. >> I'm done. Well, stop smiling like you know it's true. Cuz it's true. >> If the issue is and now I'm getting pissed off because these in a circle and do nothing. >> Okay. Okay. Do you want to We've made a decision. What's going to happen? Do you want to know? Not yet. You're not going to. Here's the deal. Can I walk closer to you so I don't have to scream at you? >> I'm not I'm not going to touch you, dude. >> I don't trust that. >> I don't want that. >> Last thing they told me wasn't going to touch and touch me. >> Here's here's what's going to happen. Listen. What you're doing is not acceptable. that we have we have to address it. Okay, >> I know it's not acceptable. I was told that by the first cop, but then why are there eight of you? >> The officers ultimately decided to issue a disorderly conduct citation and finally let him leave. Ironically, the original reason they showed up had already been resolved long before the ticket book came out. The stranger was gone. The girlfriend said she was fine and the car was waiting for repairs. And the only remaining problem became the teenager's reaction to spending half his morning arguing with police. Unbelievable. >> Of you, four of you showing up to talk to me to escalate because you're escalating me more. That's what I'm trying to say. Y'all should write down the notes that you have in your notes for each individual and say, "Don't chew up eight deep cuz this is going to get pissed." >> Okay. Can I tell you what we're going to do? Okay. Here's what's going to happen. It is our job to address these issues. There's >> Yes, it's been addressed. No, it's not. We're going to write you a citation for disorderly conduct and you can go to work. >> Disorderly conduct. >> Disorderly conduct is loud, profane, boisterous, or otherwise behavior that causes a disturbance. As long as you stay like this, we'll give you a piece of paper and you're going to get out of here. >> Okay. I'm going to grab my keys. You can give it to her. She'll ride with her and I'm going to go to work. Okay. >> Yeah, that's fine. But we have to give you the ticket. >> She is I know, but we have to hand it to you. Got to hurry quick. I'm leaving in 10 minutes. >> He's literally writing it right now. What are you going to do about your muffler? You can't drive down the road. >> I'm going to leave the car here. Like I said, this whole fix thising situation was solved. >> The 18-year-old was cited for disorderly conduct, later plead guilty, and [music] paid a $213 fine. No domestic violence charges were filed because the investigation never uncovered evidence that he had assaulted or threatened his girlfriend. And while we wait for these officers to finally face the consequences for this kind of behavior, let's move on to the next case about racist officers. Worthington police rolled up behind a closed business and found a black mechanic using jumper cables on a customer's truck. Instead of finding out whether the owner knew he was there, the officers quickly decided the bigger mystery was the mechanic himself. He explained he had permission to work on the truck, had the keys, and had already been there earlier that day, but unfortunately, none of that was enough. >> That's what I'm trying to figure out. >> Oh, okay. Well, you asked me, and I I'm just clearly looks like I'm trying to fix a car. >> And I told you I'm trying to fix the car. >> Behind a closed business by >> Man, I already was back here. I got permission to be back here. So, >> I I get that. >> So, I'm not doing anything wrong. >> I can't know that. >> I'm not doing anything wrong. You should seem to have any reason to suspect me not doing not doing anything, right? Am I doing anything illegal? >> I I see two hoods up with one person. >> Okay. >> It looks like you're trying to jump a car with jumper cable. >> Okay. >> So, that's why I'm asking what's going on. >> Well, the battery's dead. Okay. >> Okay. But before you told me it was a security >> there. There is a security issue, but in order to keep the in order to try it, you have to have the batteries not charged up. >> Okay. >> So, since since you don't I don't understand why you don't believe me. >> No, I'm just asking. >> Like, why would I be back? Hey, what am I What am I doing? >> So, look. So, look. >> Asking you, man. >> So, look. >> The mechanic patiently explained why the jumper cables were hooked up. He wasn't trying to steal the truck or even start it. The battery had to stay connected while he worked through the vehicle's security system so it wouldn't reset. If you've ever fixed modern cars, that explanation makes perfect sense. But the officers seemed far more interested in testing his patience. So, I had it jump because you have to keep the battery charged in order to do the security the security bypass. So, if you take it off, you if you keep taking the battery goes dead while you're doing it, then you have to reset it. Okay. You have to start over again. >> So, you're trying to bypass the security system. >> I'm trying to fix this man's car and you're harassing me. >> That's Do you have his number? >> Oh, man. So, you don't believe me? So, now you want the guy's phone number. I have his car keys. I don't understand why you don't believe me, man. You rolled up. leave car keys all the time in their >> Oh, so you're accusing me of stealing. I mean, I got this on I'm recording this to let you know. >> That's completely fine because I'm not I'm asking you what you're doing here. That's what I'm asking. >> I told you I was trying to fix this man's car. Okay. >> And then you said okay. You turned around and then you asked me whose car is this and whose car is this and whose name? And >> well, the reason I'm asking you is cuz nothing's coming back to your name. Clearly, >> you don't even ask me my name. But I'm not. So, but do I have to tell you my name? Why you want Why you want to know my name? >> What I'm asking you? >> Why do you want to know my name? >> Cuz I I want to know who I'm out with. What's the issue with telling me your name? >> Because I I don't I don't think it's legally I don't have to give you my name. I'm not even doing anything. I have permission to be back here. >> I've been back here since earlier. >> How am I supposed to know that you have permission to be back here? >> I just told you that. So, how you going to confirm it? So, am I doing anything illegal? >> That's what I'm asking you. Can are you able to give me a >> I'm not giving you I don't I don't I don't believe I have to give you >> the mechanic wasn't rude about it. He simply pointed out that he had permission to be there and was not committing a crime. So why would he hand over his personal information since no matter what he said the officer kept going back to the accusations? It's no surprise this man would soon start thinking it was racial profiling. And if we really think about it, can we honestly blame him? I have to give you my information because I'm not doing anything illegal. You I'm just suspecting me committing a crime. Here I am with jumper cables trying to fix somebody's truck. I'm wondering if I look different. Would would you ask me? >> Man, I have permission. >> Yeah, that's obvious, man. You came back. You checked it out. I don't look suspicious. I told you what I was doing. >> You do look suspicious. >> Okay. Well, and that's why you came back here, right? >> Okay. What makes me look suspicious? Cuz I got jumper cables. >> I'm fixing the car. first been sitting here. I'm I got I'm recording this, man. Because >> that's fine. >> Okay. I just want to make sure for my safety cuz we are back here. >> Okay. >> In the in the back in the woods. You got a gun. I don't have a gun. You know what I'm saying? >> Okay. I should be good. But you shouldn't be having to ask my questions. I'm canned. So, if I had a tow truck out here, right? You'd be like, "Oh, he's he's clearly working on the car." Man, I've been out here forever. For a long time, for about an hour now. >> Okay. Well, I'm not saying that. Maybe I mean, nobody probably came back here in the last hour, [sighs] >> man. >> Somebody You know what? Somebody somebody somebody like you earlier came here and was harassed me about being here and he worked here. >> Who who was that? >> I don't know. He worked here and he asked me who it was and I told him what I was doing. >> But I said you had permission to be back. >> I do have permission to be back here >> from who though? >> The owner of this truck >> and he works where? >> He works He works He works there in Buckeye [ __ ] >> Okay. >> I don't understand why you asked me all these questions, >> dude. I'm just asking you. He even started recording for his own protection, which honestly tells you everything about how comfortable he felt standing alone behind a closed business with armed officers questioning him. He was just trying to fix a truck before it got too dark. But somehow somewhere along the way, replacing car parts turned into defending his constitutional rights. So, let's see what the next move of this tyrant will be. >> Asking you, man. >> I'm not doing that. >> Trying to figure out what what's going on. Okay. See what I'm saying? >> I'm I get it. I get it. I'm not doing anything. I'm just recording, but I just >> That's fine. I mean, I have no issue with you recording. >> Okay. >> What's up, man? >> How you doing? >> Good. I'm Officer M police. >> I'm Scott. I'm recording. I'll let him know I'm recording this cuz I'm back here. >> Okay. I'm not doing anything wrong. >> No, no, no. >> I'm not doing anything wrong. >> Okay. So, the problem is right now, >> what's the problem? I want the >> problem closed, right? >> Yes. >> Did he explain that to you? >> He did. He came back here. He said he wanted to know what I was doing. And I told him >> exactly. So, business is closed. Okay. Um, you got cores on the grass. Usually cors don't be parked on the grass, right, man? >> I'm Look, the hoods are up and the jumper cables. >> I'm letting you know. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. >> Go ahead. >> So, we as as long >> I'm going step back so I'm not in your You don't think I'm in your space or intimidating? No problem. >> So, all we do is investigate cuz >> a second officer showed up and immediately jumped into the conversation. Business was closed. Cars were parked on the grass. Hoods were open. Sure, those are all the things worth asking about, but the mechanic had already answered every single one before backup arrived, but you'll see how every new officer just starts the same conversation all over again like the previous minutes of detaining this man never even happened. >> Um, to prevent crimes, you catch people, not saying you're committing a crime. >> I totally understand. And he asked me that and I told him what I was doing. Okay. >> And he said, "Okay, that's fine." >> Did you give him your ID? He didn't ask me for my ID. No, no, that way. Time out. He didn't ask me for my ID. He turned around and he sat there for a second. And then I told him I won't be out here too much longer cuz I've been out here for 45 minutes. Okay. >> And it's getting dark. Okay. Uh and then he turned around. Then he asked me what my name was. So I'm I'm wondering why you want to know my name now? Am I committing a crime? >> No. No. Can I finish? >> Suspicious person, right? >> No. No one called a suspicious person. No one called No one called the police. >> No one has to call the police, man. But I'm not suspicious. I'm back here. I told you what I was doing. >> It's a business. >> Wait. Time out. I heard it. Okay. I'll let you talk. Let me talk. Are you cool with that? >> Say one more thing. >> Let me say one more thing and then you can talk. Right. >> Yes, sir. >> I just need your ID, man. I told you my name. I'm cool with you. Thank you. >> The officers weren't trying to understand why he was there anymore. They wanted his ID and everything else was just scenery. He even pointed out that they had already run the truck, confirmed who owned it, and heard the owner's name come back over the radio. So, what exactly was left to investigate? Because apparently proving he wasn't lying wasn't enough. >> They need to know who we're out with. >> Why do you need to know my I You can So, you can stop me in the middle of working. I'm working on this man's car. Okay. I'm working. Okay. So, in the middle of working, I'm working trying to fix this truck. You want to know my my ID and my name? >> Just so who out with? >> So, so which one's your car? So, he doesn't believe me, but I heard on the radio, I just told you whose truck it was, and it came back to the same person. Is that correct? I heard her say his name on the radio. >> Now, this vehicle is also not registered to you. >> It does. Does it have to be registered to me? >> That's why we're trying to figure out. >> Is it stolen? Is it stolen? I'm out with me. I'm Is it stolen? >> But we don't know who me is. >> But you can't just stop me and ask me who I am and run my ID without without probable cause of of anything. You know that's >> I'm not I'm not trespassing. >> I'm not trespassing. >> How How do we know that? >> Because I just told you no one saying no one called him. No one called you to said I'm trespassing. >> Wait a minute. He asked me whose truck this was. Right. And I said, "Okay." And I told him the first and last name of the man's truck, right? He calls it on the radio. Did you just not call it in? And it came back. >> Radio know what we're doing. >> Hey, wait. Time out though. Wait. Listen. >> And it came back. His name came back on the radio. This can be easy and simple, bro. Let me be honest. You're trying to violate my rights. We're not violating your rights. >> And the reason I'm recording is because I told him, "I'm going to step back cuz you keep getting close. I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm about to get close." Okay. >> Yeah, but why would you why would why would you want to increase? >> One officer actually admitted this could all be easy if the mechanic would simply hand over his information. Well, sir, constitutional rights usually aren't built around making an officer's shift more convenient. Police don't get to skip reasonable suspicion because they're running behind schedule. Imagine hearing this would have been quicker if you just gave up your rights. That's probably not the legal standard they learned at the academy. >> Create a problem here. >> I'm not creating a problem. We just want to know who out with, man. That's it. I >> I don't think it's fair. I don't think it's fair that you can just come back here and ask me my name and stuff, man. I'm not doing nothing. >> I got a question, man. Right. >> Uh-huh. >> We're going to give you a situation. So, say um a business is closed, right? Like this, right? used to say like a gas station, right? >> This is a pri this is private property. >> That's still business though. >> Okay. But I have permission to be back here. >> Our our job is not just to uh go to uh so at home at night if someone's behind the house. Okay. Wait, that's that's suspicious person. We go talk. >> I'm suspicious for working on a car. Okay. Here, let me let me get this on video because and I just told him he just seen my back of my plates. He ran my plates and this is not your car. So now he's fishing and trying to figure out whose car this is and whose car that is. I told you whose car this is. But look, you got the hood up. The hood up. Okay, >> that's not >> the hoods are up. Jumper cables attached. So how do I look suspicious? Huh? >> We Okay, dude. >> And I told him the truth. We explained to you one time. >> I think I I think I think legally I shouldn't have to give you my ID for for >> You do though because we're coming up. We got to identify you, right? >> For what? >> So say I got a question, right? So, say we um we saw a guy um walk in the middle of the streets and there's a sidewalk, right? You post a ride on the sidewalk, put a walk on the sidewalk if there's a street, right? >> Eventually, the mechanic realized arguing wasn't worth it anymore and agreed to provide his ID. Listen to what he said, though. He wasn't giving it over because he believed they had legal grounds. He was giving it over because he was alone, surrounded by armed officers, and wanted to make it home. This is embarrassing for the police. People don't pay taxes so officers can harass innocent citizens instead of going after criminals. >> Right. There's a sidewalk. >> We talk to you. >> If there's a sidewalk, you're supposed to be walking on the sidewalk, not the street. >> Okay. >> So now we say we're out with someone, right? >> Uh-huh. >> And they're on the the street and there's a sidewalk that's suspicious cuz and that's PC. The public cause to stop it is by law. If the sidewalk, you got to walk. >> So we get the ID, right? We get the ID, right? >> But then we go we're going with our day, right? I mean, this is going to end peacefully. This is going to end peacefully. I'm going to give you my ID because I don't want to prevent I'm in the back of a business. It's dark. I'm a black man. I'm by myself. >> You guys got guns. >> It's not about I don't I'm just don't want I think my my right being violated. >> All right. >> Can you join this cuz I want to act. Can I talk to you, sir? >> Listen. Listen. I'm talking to you, man. Relax. >> I'm going to give you my ID. Why you keep getting close to me? I feel uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable. >> All right. Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. >> Okay. I'm just saying I'm going step back. Gee space. I feel uncomfortable. Okay, >> I'm gonna give you my ID just because I don't want no problems. But this is this is not fair. >> Let me finish. Just just explain. >> Be quiet and let me explain. >> Get your ID. >> Okay. >> So, say we get your ID, right? >> Say we got someone's ID for suspicious person. Right. They leave. We're on our way. Just like when you give us our ID. All right. We're clear. We're out. Right. >> Okay. >> And then say say the next day people like, "Oh, we got a guy breaking into our house. White male, blonde hair, blue shirt, >> and I stopped with you cuz you're we're walking on the street, right? Cuz you're suspicious. We got the suspect now. Okay, that's why we do suspicious person. >> Even while reaching for his identification, he kept trying to explain why this bothered him so much. His concern was the future. Once his name ended up being attached to a suspicious person report, what happened the next time somebody reported a black man near this business? You don't have to agree with every fear he expressed to understand why he didn't exactly sound excited about volunteering his information. >> This person approached. So, so you're saying, so, so you're saying, so I, if I give you my name, so here's here's my problem. And I I got this recording, just to let you know, I've been back here. I got permission. I told him whose truck it was, okay? He called in on the radio. He ran the tags. It came back. It's the same person. I got the jumper cables out. I got the the the the fuse box off. I'm working on this man's car. I've been out here earlier this afternoon. Okay. And I came back. So, this is recording just so you know, for educational purposes. Okay. >> Yeah. We're trying to educate. My safety educated. Okay. Oh, now I'm uneducated. >> Because Yes. Because >> you see, now I'm uneducated. Now I think it's a violation. Let me say this. Let me Okay, let me say this. Let me say this. I I told you I'm going to give you my ID. Okay. I'm going to give you my ID and you're going to run my You're going to run my name and you'll have my information and you'll write it down. So, so if somebody breaks in this business one day, you're going to be like, "Oh, this dude was back. You just said that." No, you just said that. >> Why are you twisting my words? >> But that's what you just said. But that's my fear. That's my fear. I said if someone broke up broke in to houses matching that description >> of course >> and then I was out with them they can be a suspect. >> So any black dude that comes back here you be like man >> now you I never said that. >> Well I'm black. >> Okay. I'm black and and if somebody breaks into business and it's like a black we seen a black dude running from over there. >> No. Okay. No. >> You going to be like you know what let's go question Scott because >> he even told the officers he planned on filing a complaint. And honestly that wasn't exactly shocking. The guy had spent the entire encounter explaining the same story while the question somehow kept multiplying. Then one officer asked for even more information after already getting his name. At this rate, they probably would have asked what he had for breakfast, too. >> Because I'm going to give you my I'm going to give you my name. My name is Scott Hardman. You can run you can run it. You can look at my picture. Okay? I I I don't have to I I can give you my name. I don't have to show you ID rightfully. I I give you my name. I'll give you my first and last name >> and date of birth. That's the law. Either ID or name, day, birth. >> I'll give you my first and last name. You can write it down. >> That is the law, man. >> You can run it. And look, I got If you see my If you see if you don't you don't believe me. I do. You don't believe me. He doesn't believe me. >> Why would I swear, bro, I believe you. >> You don't believe me. And it's not fair. And I don't make your job harder. I'm a citizen, man. And I'm out here doing I'm working on a man's car on a man's car. So why would it be taking my name and number? I'mma file a complaint formally and I got FOP tags, okay, on all my cars for turnover police and and and I don't have those for no reason. So, this is going to get real bad and this is going viral. Okay, it's going viral. My my rights are being violated. Okay, you don't even know who I am. >> What's your last name? >> I'm going to give you my last name. My last name is Hardman. >> How do you spell that? >> H A R D I M A N. And I don't think that you're you're you're allowed to just >> H A R D I M >> A N. I don't think you're I don't I don't think I don't think it's legal legally. I don't think it's it's you're allowed to just if I'm not committing a crime. >> What's your date of birth, Scott? >> 32379. If I'm not committing a crime, >> one officer finally admitted something that actually made sense. He understood why someone working behind a closed business after dark might catch an officer's attention. Nobody's arguing with that. The problem started after the mechanic explained himself. Good investigations collect facts then adjust. These officers collected facts, ignored them, and somehow became even more suspicious. >> That I don't think it's I don't think I have to show you my give you my name and my information for doing nothing. He asked me, he came back, checked it out. I get it. I'm sitting in the car. I get it. I'm I'm I'm in a business. It's closed. I understand that. You know what I mean? But I don't look like I'm doing anything that I shouldn't do. Now he's got me quote unquote. Well, I don't know what you're doing. I'm working on a car, man. Okay. And I told him that I was going to be too long cuz it's dark. >> It's just it's not normal for people to be working out. >> I understand. You know what I mean? I get it. That's all this, >> sir. I totally understand. And he asked me that and he told me and and and you guys be a good a good judgment of who looks suspicious, who's up to no good, and if he's telling the truth. He said, "Okay." And he turned around right here. >> So, hear me out. Hear me out, man. >> Yeah. >> You give us your ID, we identify who you are, and we're out of here. >> Yeah, but I understand. We're not going to be here. >> But I should have to give you my ID is my point. That's why I put my business. >> At this point, you're you're you're in a business that a parking lot. Nobody's back here at this time. >> He's just checking on it. I got permission to be here. I got the man's the owner of the truck. He asked me if I didn't know who I didn't give the owner of the truck's name. I understand that. But I gave the owner of the truck's name. It's all on video and it came back as the owner of the truck. >> We don't know if you have permission to be back here or not. Oh, man. I don't know the owner too, man. >> Yeah, I don't >> The owner who? >> You said the owner of the truck. >> I gave him the name. >> Who's the owner of the truck? >> Ask him. >> The conversation somehow circled right back to the truck owner. The mechanic reminded them he'd already given the owner's name, they already confirmed it over the radio, and they even knew where the owner worked. So now we're pretending none of that happened. I don't know about you, but if every answer disappears the second you give it, you're just feeding a neverending fishing expedition. >> Ask him. It came back to ask him back here. >> He works here. Ask him >> where does he work at business? I >> think he works at Buckeye Cooling right there. Okay. >> You see the trucks? >> So why don't truck parked back here? >> Cuz it's broke down. It don't work. He works here. So he vehicle that. >> No. No. He stores it here. He has permission to store. He works here. >> Permission from who? >> You're asking me questions, man. I'm the mechanic. Okay. >> It's parked in the grass, man. It's not even a parking spot, >> man. It's like that when I got here. His car. >> But that seems suspicious. You're over here trying to jump the car now. That's >> I'm not trying to jump it. See, you didn't I didn't say I'm trying to jump in. >> Jumper cables around. >> You have to have the electric for the battery. You got to have the electric for the battery, dude. So, now you're saying I'm stealing the car. So, what are you accusing me of doing? >> He said he was trying to jump now. He said he's not trying to jump. >> I didn't say I'm trying to jump the car. The battery has to be hooked up, right? >> Oh, he's trying to buy security. >> Yeah, it's locked. It's in It's in lock mode. It's locked. >> So, why are you trying to get into it then? >> I'm not into it. So, you you just got here. I'm not What's going on? >> Then one officer went right back to asking for more personal information. How much information is enough when you've never been accused of committing a crime in the first place? They could have spent this time doing something much more useful, like going after actual criminals. But sure, let's pretend this was part of their job. >> What's going on, man? I'm trying to fix the man's car mechanic. >> Scott, have I been honest with you? I've been straight up with you, right? >> I've been straight up with you, too. >> Okay, but you're giving us a hassle. >> I'm not giving you a hassle. I think my rights are being violated by you asking me that. >> You're not being viol within the right, sir. >> I gave you my name. I'm I'm going to remain silent. Okay. I gave you my first and last name. >> Yeah. We're just I'm telling you, dude, that >> I don't I wasted my time, man. >> Okay. You think You think you're wasting our time for uh saying that like, "No, my rights are broken with a knot, dude." >> Yeah. I don't I don't I I just felt like my rights being violated. >> I'm sorry. It's all being recorded. >> What's your middle name, Scott? >> Okay. And where do you live at, >> man? I don't have to tell you that. I don't have to tell you any more information. I give you my first last name, dude. I don't have to say I don't have to give you any of my information. Now you want to know my address. That's crazy, man. >> Man, come on, man. This is a lot, man. This is a lot. >> I swear I swear to God. >> If I was white, would they be acting like this? This is crazy, man. >> Listen, man. Scott, I'll be 100% honest with you, right? We do this to everyone, okay? I don't care if you're white, black, Asian, yellow, pink. I don't care. We treat everyone exactly the same, man. Okay? I swear to God. >> That's cold, man. Let me close this dude truck down, man. And look, man. So now I got to go into the owner tomorrow and be like, "Hey, man. This happened and this happened and this happened and this shouldn't happen, man." >> But then my thing is, what do you what did Okay, so you're a citizen, correct? >> You're a citizen, right? >> The mechanic even told them he understood why they checked on him in the beginning. He wasn't asking for special treatment, but that didn't give the officers the right to violate his rights, the same rights they swore to protect at the start of their careers. How officers like this got the job in the first place is the real question. >> Yeah. >> What do you want us police officers to do? >> Hey, I totally I totally I dude, I totally I totally get you guys checking this out. I totally get it. Checking it out. But then once once you said it and you believed me, you turned around and you started fishing some more. Like, dude, I don't even look like I'm doing anything up to I'm not up to no good. >> I got a question though. Can you answer my question? >> I was out here for this afternoon for like an hour and a half. Okay. >> Can you answer my question, please? >> Okay. >> What as a citizen, right? What would you want us as police officers to do then to prevent? >> I totally I totally get it. I totally get it. But you guys, I said you should be a good You guys are good judgment when you see somebody that shouldn't be back here. Or if I was lying, if I looked like I was lying, >> okay, >> we don't know when people are lying, dude. We don't. I I promise you, man. >> Dude, I got permission to be here. >> Here, listen. I know you told me who the registered owner of the vehicle is, but almost everybody keeps vehicle registration inside that has the name of the owner. >> Put your car keys to it. >> It don't work. Okay, I told you what I was doing. >> A lot of people leave all kinds of stuff in there. People leave spare keys inside cars. I've seen it all, >> dude. Man, come on, >> dude. I I came here. We tried to figure out what was going on. We got your info now. We got you ran. >> You got me ran. You ran a 50 on me. You hear You hear that, people? And I look Look, like I said, >> get your name. Would y'all get your name in contact? Can you say your name? And uh everybody come in contact. >> No, no. I want you to say your name and badge number. Can you I'm officer Musa. The mechanic later filed a formal complaint against the Worthington officers, alleging the stop was based on discrimination and that portions of the dash cam footage had been omitted or tampered with. The internal review cleared the officers of wrongdoing. The complaint was rejected by city officials and the police chief reportedly never responded. So, if this case made you angry, let's move on to today's final case. This stop starts with an officer claiming a driver was wearing headphones and had illegal window tent. Fair enough. Write the ticket if that's the violation and move on. Instead, the conversation suddenly took a weird turn toward drugs, guns, and searching the car. So, let's just see how far this officer took things this time. >> Mr. Williams. >> Yes, sir. >> As I explained to you, all right, initially, stopped for the headphones you had in your ears. You can't have headphones in your ears. Your window tent's illegal. >> You didn't say nothing about No, you bought me my registration back to you right now. Listen, your window tent is illegal also. >> But that's not that doesn't give you a reason to want to search. I notice I didn't say >> that. Don't give you a reason to want to search my car. >> Williams, I'm not talking about trying to search car. I'm giving you a >> No, but you said you asked me that I have drugs. You asked me that I have guns. You have no reason to want to search my vehicle. >> Williams, I'm giving you a few reasons here why I'm going where I'm going. >> You said you brought up a you're using a new app. It took you out of your way. You're 10 miles outside of where it is you need to go on that app. >> Does it show you the direction you just >> It don't matter. I don't have to answer any questions. I gave you all my my paperwork, my my information. I'm The driver couldn't believe what was happening. He had already handed over his license, registration, and insurance. Everything checked out. And yet, the officer was still standing there fishing for something else. Then came the search request. It's funny how often a routine traffic stop mysteriously grows extra legs the moment an officer hears the word no. Funny for them anyway. Probably not so funny when you're the one sitting on the shoulder wondering what crime they're trying to invent. >> No, but you acting like I'm committing a crime. It's not being a crime up here. I'm coming up here to see my brother. >> I'm not being argumentative. You could have gave me my ID back and let me go. I didn't do anything wrong. tired of this [ __ ] He wanted to search my car. He asked I gave him license, registration, insurance. He said he pulled me over because I had uh earphones in my ear. He said he pulled me over because I had earphones in my ear. All my paperwork uh straightened out. He gave it back to me. He keep my uh my license talking about yo, he want to search the car now. No, you ain't searching the car now. He coming back talking about oh uh you got tenant windows, you got this. My windows was rolled down. Negative. Negative. I'm coming up to see my brother. My brother's at Allenwood Corre uh federal prison um up right up here. The GPS took me a extra stop because I'm using ways now. I'm not using uh uh uh uh Google Maps. I told him that it's not a crime being up here. Being up here is not a crime. There's no reason for him to want to search my >> The backup finally arrived and the driver immediately noticed something interesting. A few minutes earlier, he had supposedly been told no supervisor was working. Now, another marked unit was pulling into the lot. Maybe it wasn't technically his supervisor. Maybe it was. Either way, the timing looked pretty convenient. >> Can I speak with you for a second, please? >> Hi, sir. >> How you doing today, Sergeant Snider? >> All right. I'm recording audio and video. Protection. So, so am I. >> That's fine. >> Can I Can I Can I just say something, please? I'm riding by. The gentleman pulls me over. Okay. He comes up to my car. He said, "Yo, you can't have uh earphones on while you're driving." I said, I said, "No problem, sir. I pro I apologize." I said, "The GPS uh took me to the wrong exit and I'm trying to find uh FCC Allenwood." He said, "You got license registration insurance?" Gave him everything. 2 minutes, he come back. He gives me my registration back. And he says, "Uh, would you object to me searching a vehicle?" Damn right. Because it's my my United States constitutional god-given right to object to a search. I don't have no I don't have no guns. He don't smell no drugs. I don't use drugs. I'm up here to visit a family member. It is not a crime being in Williamsport. I asked for my I asked for my ID back. He said he want to call. >> The driver calmly walked the sergeant through the entire stop from the beginning. He admitted wearing the headphones, admitted he had apologized, admitted he had handed over every document without causing any problems. His issue wasn't the traffic stop anymore. All he wanted was his documents back along with the ticket. Was that really too much for the officers? >> Said he want to call a search dog. I then called 911 because I don't want to die today. I didn't do nothing wrong. You think you're gonna die? >> Because he looking for a reason. He Why Why can't he just give me my ID back and let me go? I haven't given him any reason. I wasn't being hostile or nothing. Once he gave me everything back, once he say my name check out, I don't have any warrants. I'm a law-abiding citizen. I'm a taxpayer. I'm a registered voter. Once I do the right thing and once he gave me my information back, sir, you're free to go. >> Okay. >> Okay. This is how these traffic stops, this everybody's traffic stop nowadays is ending up like this. And it shouldn't. I didn't do nothing wrong. >> Okay? >> Nothing wrong. All my paperwork is legit. He got I got valid driver's license. He has no reason to want to search my car. My windows was rolled down. >> Okay. First of all, obviously, he may have a reason that you don't know about. Okay. Second of all, he doesn't really need a reason to ask for consent to service. >> But once I say no, Sergeant, once I say no, here you go. Have a nice day. Hey, but he's still dealing with the the violations of vehicle code that you were driving with earphones in. Okay. >> He did. He wasn't he wasn't going to give me a ticket for that. >> You don't know that. >> I do know that. He gave me my stuff back and then once he once I once I once I said no searching, now he wants to deal with the violation of the vehicle code. Come on. >> It's not a driver's license. >> Yeah, but you was giving it back until you asked me until you asked me to search the car. >> My name is Dawan. >> Okay, Dwan. My name's Roy. Okay. Look, I know you're I know you're upset. I know you're irritated. Okay, >> this poor guy wasn't refusing to cooperate with the traffic stop. What he refused was letting an officer search his car for absolutely no reason. There's a pretty big difference between accepting responsibility for a traffic violation and volunteering your entire vehicle for inspection. But of course, this tyrant officer didn't see much of a difference. >> Just calm down. Give me a minute. Let me talk to him. >> Why he saying back up? He going to try to shoot or something? >> No. >> Come on. Why is he saying back up now? >> We're not going to shoot you. >> Why is he saying back up? >> Unless you try to shoot. >> I don't have no gun. I don't have nothing. >> Relax. Take it easy. >> Yeah, it's live on Facebook. Now he's saying yes, you're live on Facebook. It's my constitutional right. Yes, you live on Facebook. It's my constitutional right. Yes, you're live on Facebook. And I told the sergeant that I was recording. He said that he was recording, too. Yeah, you live on Facebook. The whole world see this right now. >> I didn't do nothing wrong. >> He talking about back up. He told the sergeant to back up because he live on Facebook. I didn't do anything wrong. >> I did nothing wrong. I don't deserve to die today. You told the sergeant to back up because I'm live on Facebook. Hey Roy. Hey Roy. >> Hey. Wait a minute Roy. When you when you when you first walked up to the car, you told me that you was recording and I said I am too. >> I'm wearing a microphone, >> right? And I understand that. >> Like what? When he back up, he make me nervous now. >> Okay. Well, don't you know? >> Come on, man. This ain't right. You know this ain't right. >> Then things got even stranger. The officer started telling everyone to back up because the driver was streaming live on Facebook. Why exactly? The driver had already told both officers he was recording the entire encounter from the beginning. The recording wasn't new information. The only thing that changed was realizing thousands of other people might be watching, too. >> You know, this ain't right, Sergeant. You've been doing this long enough. I didn't do you know being in the in the great city of Williamsport is not a crime, sir. That's all I'm saying. >> It is not. Officer McInness has decided to issue a citation for the wearing ear. >> Okay. And I don't have a problem with that. >> So, give him a couple minutes. He's going to issue a citation and then you'll be on your way. >> So it takes a half hour. I got a call from But let me tell you something. He told me it wasn't no supervisor. >> He I I am Look, I am De Boytown Burough. He is Southport Burough. I am not his sergeant. >> Yeah, but so he is the only officer working. I was sent here by the dispatcher at to back him up >> because I called 911, >> which is a routine thing. Okay. And it just so happens that I'm the officer on duty in my town and I happen to be a sergeant. I am not his supervisor. Okay. So, he did not lie to you when he said his supervisor was not here. Was not working. >> Sergeant, >> you know, >> the sergeant confirmed a citation for the headphones was coming. And again, the driver had no problem accepting the ticket. I mean, he'd been saying that the whole time and that all he wanted was the ticket so he could be on his way. Why were these officers acting like this was some shocking new information? Oh, right. Maybe because they still didn't have a reason to justify why they wanted to search his car. >> You know as well as I know if he was issuing me a citation, he would have bought the citation back with my paperwork, with my ID. Yes. Yes, it is. Necessarily the reason why he's giving me a ticket now for headphones. Okay. Is because I I refu I'm a black man in Williamsport. I look suspicious because I'm driving while black and I refuse to let him search my car. >> I don't agree with that. >> I do. Okay. And I understand opinion. They killing black men all across the country for stops like this. And it's wrong. It's wrong. >> Yeah, you got to. It's wrong. I'm human. You're human. >> Black men are not being killed because they're pulled over by police. Black men are being killed because they're in a confrontation or or an armed confrontation with >> No, that's not true. That's bull crap. That's not true. These men are unarmed. Cops are killing. Not saying you personally, not saying anybody under your leadership, but black men are being killed for stops like this. I got license, registration, insurance. Give me my ticket. Let me go. It's no way. It's no way in hell I'm here a half hour, 45 minutes later with a sergeant from another township. Okay. Talking about a ticket for headphones because he wants to search my car. For what reason do you want to search my car? What reason? No, not you. He do. But come on, Sergeant. You've been doing this long enough. You're a sergeant for a reason, right? >> You want to search my CAR FOR WHAT? IT DON'T SMELL like drugs. It don't smell like paraphernalia. I'm a family man. I'm a father. I'm a leader in my community. I'm a part of the solution. I'm not a part of the problem. >> All right, we're obviously there's a big difference of opinion. Okay. >> He also explained why the officer's behavior made him nervous from his perspective. The moment the officer started talking about backing away from the car and mentioning Facebook Live, the whole atmosphere changed. Whether you agree with every fear he expressed or not, one thing was obvious. This traffic stop had become about everything except headphones. I've never seen a pair of earbuds generate this much police activity in my life. >> Okay. And I'm coming into this late. Like you said, I wasn't here. >> But I'm giving you the facts, though. >> And I'm not disputing any of your facts. What I'm saying is that officer has decided that he's going to issue a citation. Okay. It shouldn't take him more than a couple minutes to fill it out. He's going to issue it to you and you'll be on your way. >> But could you not leave? Because I I feel I feel like I feel threatened by him. I feel as though he's an undercover KKK member and I feel as though he's targeting black men that's rotting through here. No, that's how he's making me feel. All my paperwork is straight, sir. >> That might be how you feel. >> All my paperwork is straight. My insurance. I got registration. I got I gave him a valid driver's license. I said, "Look, I'm coming up here to visit a family member who's who's 3 hours away from home, okay? I'm going to visit my family, okay? That the GPS got took me off at the wrong stop." And he was asking me questions. I said, "Ho, I got a right to remain silent." And he said, "Well, you're not under arrest." I don't have to answer anything. You know that. >> Okay. >> Once you come, once it's it's a it's a traffic stop for headphones. It ain't got nothing to do with searching no vehicle. No, I'm very I'm very uh uh uh I know what's going on with the law, Sergeant. I know what's going on with the law. And what's going on across the country right now with killing black men is wrong. He stopped me for nothing. >> It's wrong. It's wrong when anybody gets killed regardless of period. And I agree because there's white men being killed by the police, too. But there's police being killed by all. >> The sergeant kept insisting that asking for consent, mentioning a canine, and extending the stop were all procedures available to the officer. Maybe so, but procedures still aren't magic words that make every decision look reasonable. If all this started because someone was wearing headphones while driving, most people would probably expect to leave with a ticket, not a roadside seminar about drug dogs and vehicle searches. being killed by all all colored skin. >> All killing is wrong. But what I'm saying is this. >> And you're not >> what I'm saying is this. >> You're not be nobody's threatened you. You nobody's pointing >> when he when he reached for his weapon and tell you to back away from the car. My life flashed before me. He did just now. And then he said, "Yo, he's recording on Facebook Live." I told you that when you walked up. >> I told you that when you walked up. You said, "Sir," you said, "I'm recording for our own protection." I said, "So am I." I said, "I'm recording you." >> And that's very fine. Absolutely. So why would he say back up? Now he want to give me a ticket. >> Discuss where this was going or what my feelings were as far as your demeanor and and how and >> Let me ask you this. You being a law-abiding citizen, okay? You being on the front line fighting for our people because we need police. We need you guys. We need to have a a healthy, strong relationship between my community and the blue community >> pulling me over right now. Okay. if he was going to issue me a ticket. You know, man, in your heart of hearts, and you don't even have to remember, you don't even have to admit it. You know, in your heart of heart, sir, that there's no reason to want to search me. Once he he's pulling me over for headphones, he come up. >> You can't speak for him. >> But but I'm just saying right is right, wrong is wrong. >> If he felt there was a reason to ask consent to search, then he felt he had reason. >> But Roy, once you say no, >> discuss that with him. >> I understand that. Finally, the officer returned with exactly what the driver had been asking for almost the entire encounter, the citation. Imagine that. After all the conversations about drugs, guns, GPS routes, prison visits, search requests, and backup officers, we somehow ended up right back where this stop could have ended 20 minutes earlier. >> Understand that. But once you say no due to your expertise, I know you've been doing this for a long time. Once a individual says no, he can't threaten me with a drug dog. He can't say, "Well, I'm >> threat." That's that's that's that's also a t or a >> procedure, a tactic, a procedure that he can use to determine if there's drugs in the car. >> Wow. Off for some headphones. For some headphones. >> Well, it's not because of the headphones. All right. He's coming back. Be reasonable with him. Okay. And you'll be out here in a minute. >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Citation for operating a vehicle on the roadways of Commonwealth while wearing headphones. If your signature right in the highlighted area, your signature is not admission to guilt. You're basically not going to receive the citation. So, what your signature says is that I'm you're signing a receipt that I'm going to give you a copy of the citation is all you're signing. >> What is your name? >> It's on the citations right there. Officer McKinnis. >> Officer McKinnus. What's your first name? >> Officer McKinnus. >> What district do you work in? >> How about a signature right there from >> Officer McKinnus? Badge number six. >> I work for the South Williamsport Police Department. >> South Williamsport Police Department. >> Are you going to sign the citation? Where do I need to where do I need to sign that? >> In the highlighted area as I explained to you. >> Do I get a copy of this? >> You're going to get a copy of it. >> And this is not an admission of guilt. I >> explained to you this is not admission guilt. It's receipt for a copy of the citation. >> So, how is it $128 ticket? >> I don't have any idea the fine. That's the state issue. It's $25 fine and the rest of the fees. >> The driver signed the citation, asked a few questions about the fine, and even tried ending the conversation on a bigger point. He said this kind of interaction was damaging the relationship between police and the communities they're supposed to serve. Hard to argue with that, right? >> And the rest of the fees are what state issues. >> Defendant did operate a motor vehicle on the roadways at the Commonwealth while wearing headphones. >> So if you'd like to sign Oh, now you want to get me out of here. >> Give you a copy of it. You're on your way. >> Now you want to get me out of here. >> This has to stop, man. >> You're right. It does. >> It has to stop, man. You stop targeting black men riding through riding through Williamsport, man. You had no reason for this, man. I was respectful. I was respect. No, it starts with you, too, officer. We got to have a relationship. Black men and and the ones in blue. >> Disagree with you. >> Yeah, I know. >> [ __ ] is crazy, man. Whole 45 minutes. Hey, Roy. Hey, Roy. Can you just stand here while I put my stuff back in in the in the glove compartment, please? I don't want the officer to say I'm reaching for anything. He's back there by his car. Put your stuff away. You're free to go. Okay. I hope that in the future we can have better relations between you and the police. >> How do we have better relations when you got black men riding didn't do nothing wrong? [clears throat] I I've been stopped here for 45 minutes now. >> And >> come on, that's not right. I haven't been here that long. >> If you don't had a uniform on, you wouldn't expect for an officer that don't know you to do the same for you. We all got rights. That's not right, sir. That's not right, man. I'm a family man. I'm a taxpayer. I vote. >> Okay. >> I vote. I I support I support all the good police. I support all the good officers. >> As things finally settled down, the sergeant actually gave him directions to the prison he had been trying to reach all along. If somebody had simply answered that question 45 minutes earlier, everyone probably would have been home sooner. Instead, a GPS mistake somehow turned into the longest headphones discussion in Pennsylvania history. >> All right. He is a good officer. You guys are in a disagreement. You're not having a good day. But don't hold it against everybody. Okay. >> That's not the point. He holding he holding his past experiences against everybody. Roy, I don't like that. Can you Can you show me the way to get to Allenwood Prison from here? >> Yeah. You need to turn around in this parking lot. Okay. You're going to go out here to the street, take a left, and this is Route 15. >> I'm looking for main access road. That's the the route 15 is the road, the highway that the prison system is on. Okay. >> Okay. >> When you get to the front gate of the prison system, you have to look for the signs to cuz there's like four facilities, low, medium, high. Right. >> Okay. >> Well, I've been there before. I just need to know how to get there. His is the one in the middle. >> Go out, turn around, and go out cuz take a left cuz it's one way obviously. And stay on this road until you get to Allenwood Prison Complex. >> How do I get out of the >> You're going to have to turn turn around and come right back out this way. All right. >> Am I free to go? >> Yes. The driver ultimately received a citation for operating a vehicle while wearing headphones. He strongly disputed how the stop was handled, arguing that once he refused consent to the search, the encounter was unnecessarily prolonged despite the original traffic violation being straightforward. What do you think about this case? If you thought today's officers pushed the limits, just wait until you see the next video. The cases we've lined up make today's encounters look tame, and some of the decisions you'll see are almost impossible to believe. You definitely won't want to miss what's coming next.