yes okay
so
so there's the camera yeah all right it
was right here
it was in here and it captured the
entire office where you can see the blue
light you see the blue line right here
yeah
today's date is january 6
2021 and the time is 8 59 i'm agent
brandon murphy with new mexico state
police and here present with me is
charles
zone three investigation all right and
then uh we'll be interviewing what's
your name sir brother chef all right
broderick sharp
b-r-o-d-e-r-i-c-k all right last name
sure
all right and who are you employed with
i am the chief of the tone of bernalillo
and how long have you been chief i've
been here two months two months
so if you guys kind of
i'll give you guys kind of the rundown i
started here november 2nd
about
a week and a half into me being here
there was an allegation that
sergeant torres at the time had
basically intimidated and threatened an
employee
so much so to the point that he clicked
he quit and at his exit interview
he had given a written statement prior
to my starting
so
about that time
i got called by hr
and they told me about the complaint
against
uh
sergeant torres
they told me about a previous
almost a fist fight between a sergeant
and another officer
and my response was well
what's the big deal you guys have
cameras
just
get the camera footage and you can see
because the employee said that the first
one said that
sergeant
tyler
and
officer jimmy thompson they almost had a
fist fight over the bed over the shift
bit
so i
like i said i've been here
maybe maybe eight days
so i get two complaints
well when i was talking to hr they said
well didn't they talk to you about
the items being stolen
in the sergeant's office
keep in mind i came from bcso i was a
commander of bcso as a captain there i
said well when you walk in everybody
knows you have cameras just pull the
footage from my team
and the
hr lady said well
the cameras aren't updated
it's all an old system
so i was like well how hard is it for us
to just get a new system and she said
well
the town is in the process
of updating all the cameras and i said
okay fine simple
just replace the cameras and be done
because you get we had had so two
incidents and another
word there had so allegedly been theft
in the sergeant's office so i'm under
the impression
after being here eight days
that
if you have the technology just use it
to find out what your issue is
so
i have a bill hold on
i have the so here's all the policies i
go through them because i'm new here
i've gone through the policy
we requested that camera the camera in
question that we requested it
on
the 20th
we didn't get the 20th of november
because remember what i said
i got here the second i started the
second
we requested it on the 20th it didn't
come until the 24th
um that being the camera yes i got the
cameras the the camera still then the
i'll show them to you guys
well yeah we'll do the interview and
then we'll go walk through the office so
let me grab a i need a
calendar and i'll give you guys a
rundown
so the 20th was requested
yes here's the bill right here then the
24th it arrived on
yes
i'll give you guys an accurate
as
accurate as i can go let's see
so we requested it on the 20th that was
a friday
it didn't come until the 23rd or the
24th because they sent this one to the
wrong address i think they sent this one
over there i'm not sure don't but i'm
pretty i know that we didn't get it in
this office until
the 24th
if we go
through the schedule i have my calendar
i have everything that happens here i
write it down i'm one of those guys so
what happened was is
we got it installed i think on
the wednesday the 25th
so the 25th 26th and 27th
and
that employee was on vacation
the 20
that employee
uh sergeant sergeant taurus was on
vacation she came back
i believe the 30th
the 29th she came back on because that's
a regular day of work
and and the reason i know this is
because when all this came up i said i
went and i tracked
there was only eight days
seven days that she worked
the eighth day is when someone was in
the office and they saw the camera keep
in mind
the camera is not
the
the blue light is on clearly showing
anyone that looks cameras are on if you
go into all of the offices
i assumed i assumed they got
the town's technology apologist policy
just like i did this is the town's
policy i started november 2nd
i've read these policies the technology
policy the town property policy
i didn't i didn't foresee
an issue because obviously
they these guys have all been here
longer than me
that's a shared office space
it's not a
private office is not a one-person
office and when i had spoken with hr
these things had come up and my simple
fix was well you guys have cameras
already they already know it
all the employees know this so
we had them inserted
the concern was that officer torres said
that she changed in there
well
that's
not a shared space that's not a personal
office and second of all i have been
here two months
it has never been locked
the officers walk in the corporals use
it
so i was a little taken back at the
email
normally in this in this
um
i guess in this
uh
administration if you send an email to
the talent administrator
i'm not gonna i'm not gonna respond if
you cc me it's clear that that's meant
for the head person you would like
everyone else to know
i guess she had made a statement that
somebody should have told her
she's been here
i don't know how many years i think
she's been here nine years or so
yeah like um
i'm just going to go back a little bit
because then you kind of jumped into it
but um i know i told you before the
recording like this just voluntary
statement
um so before i ask any of the follow-up
questions is that all right if i uh you
have for a voluntary statement meaning
like
at any time you don't have to answer
them of course and uh you can put ask us
to leave your office at any time
sorry if that makes sense but yeah it's
just voluntary statement and then it's
just so it's on recording that i asked
you for volunteering okay
um
so um can i get your date of birth too
9 22 72 all right
all right um so the initial complaint is
one um i guess she was just feeling
like
that it was put in a vent
where she couldn't see um she felt like
it was directed like at her desk for
some particular reason um any reason
that she wanted to put it in the vet
i didn't specifically say hey put it in
the vent above our desk the the camera
was in the vent where it captured the
entire office okay not just her space
and that's what i think the
misconception is the misconception is
that it was solely put there for her and
it was not it was the capture of the
entire office space like i said i was
under the impression that there was
almost a fist fight
during the bid with other people and
then it was brought to my attention that
sergeant
hernandez had property stolen
so that wasn't and and it was in no way
meant to just single out anything yeah
and all these incidents happen in the
sergeant's
squadron yes from what i was expecting
from what i was because like you keep in
mind i started here the second no it's
understandable and i'm under the
impression that we have a problem yeah
and then
so we had the two instances
sergeant torres this is the almost fight
i was told about the property being
stolen and then
we we had another
incident where or allegation where
people were on duty
doing personal business
and the personal business would have
been
uh
not work related things
okay and not to let them that's why we
were up that's what we were acting on we
would we weren't and i didn't
specifically say put it in the event to
catch that person they said put it in an
area where you'll capture the entire
office and if you guys have watched the
video have you seen it oh i haven't got
a i haven't got a copy yet but
we can go now or after this we can go
check it out because uh all we got is
just pictures right
yeah just pictures
i'll show you guys yeah
that way it's on recording on
our body cams and everything and that
way
we kind of have a layout of everything
and like i said i'll help you with it
whatever i know i know for a fact wasn't
illegal wasn't ethical wasn't immoral
and these guys all have the policy
and to be flat-out honest with you guys
from what i've picked up since then
this is a she has been demoted
that was already in the process from
that the allegation i didn't investigate
it right it was investigated by an
outside party
and so imagine your new chief you get
all this
crap
this is keep in mind this is not an
organization like state police this is
not an organization like bcso this is an
organization where
and i don't have to sugarcoat it we hire
other people's leftovers
and i'm in the process of working with
the mayor and and what i mean by hiring
other people's leftovers you guys know
the state police i was at bcso for 20
years and eight months well guess what
we don't hire we don't have laterals at
bcso
you guys know our laterals at state
police
because of the culture so that's kind of
what i stepped into i stepped into kind
of a crap soup
and as a um administrator i'm trying to
make the best out of the crap soup
for the department this was not a
specific this wasn't targeting her
because she was supposed to be demoted
well pretty much it was in the process
before you got there yes all right and
then you didn't request for it to go in
the vent i didn't specifically say put
it in the vent i said let's put it in an
area where it would capture the entire
office that's all i said i when when it
was installing i went in there with them
and i said yeah that's fine i don't see
why that would be a problem because they
know there's a technology policy i
didn't say i wasn't the one that
specifically said put it in there
i didn't get in the in the ceiling i
don't install them yeah i said let's
just put it in an area where it captures
the entire office and to be honest with
you i don't know specifically who said
let's put it in the vent i do know that
when i went in and because i helped this
help the guy get i held the cord while
he was running it through i said no i
don't see why that's an issue they
understand that there's a policy
yeah
um and then after the email you just
asked them to put it on the wall or did
someone i did after the email i said if
there is a problem with something in our
office
let's fix it so everyone understands
the policies of the policy and i yes i
asked the i.t guy to come and just i
said put it where everyone can see it
because
as a chief
so put yourself in my position you get
you get an email blasted over your head
yeah by one of your supervisors
i'm not going to respond because she
sent it to the town administrator
she sent it to her and i was like okay
i'll let her respond to it yeah and then
i guess um just talking to the other
sergeants uh one who also was
complaining about his stuff getting
stolen he's actually glad to have the
camera um but he has a and then i asked
him i'm like do you change in here he's
like yeah i'm like even after the camera
was on the wall he's like yeah i said
all right
but so it didn't seem like it works out
every day yeah none of them else seem to
mind about it but um
yeah so the city guy just insulted the
event then yes okay can i be really
honest with you no go ahead after the
after the camera was located
the comments were made that
it's almost like so
you guys aren't you guys from talking hr
she should have told you guys i think
that employee has several
complaints
against the lawsuits against the time
yeah yeah
as a new chief
i choose to not get in that game
because i don't have to
you guys
yeah i don't have to
um immerse myself in that in the middle
of that that was before me i don't want
to get involved in it and i i'm
definitely not going to make it worse
i i've done everything i could but that
employee to kind of
try and build my own relationship even
before the demotion and
i basically got stonewalled because she
saw me as a part of the previous
chief that
discriminated against her for
pregnancy that's the only one that i
know of because i told hr that has
nothing to do with me
but i know about the pregnancy one
because she told me about it and i told
her i said well that won't happen while
i'm here and i don't even know the
details she just made an excited
utterance
yeah
um i guess the other thing i guess that
uh
chapa who used to work here
and then
her saying that
somehow they felt that i guess you put a
complaint after your daughter got a
citation from a car accident back in
like february so so no
yeah no just be honest if we're being
all the way up yeah my daughter was
ruined
last year before i worked here
i called and i asked is there an
interest is there a camera at the
intersection because that's a state road
550 is a state road
and
that was it he said something about
giving her a ticket no one ever gave my
daughter a ticket and if they did
and she deserved it she deserved it it's
a ticket that doesn't work
yeah i guess they said that was they
felt like they were being retaliated
against
well that gives that
so once again
that kind of gives you like a glimpse
into the the agency i've been here two
months
how can i have the ability to retaliate
against you and then and then the next
the next
thing
we had a person's credit card missing
taken out of their mailbox
and i said it i was like well you guys
got cameras call i.t and get a copy the
lt researched it
found who took the credit card out and
we did an eye and that employee he lied
about taking the credit card you guys
know you guys been in law enforcement
i've been i was in the military as an
officer in the military eight years
i've been here
so totally i have a 29-year law
enforcement military commit military and
civilian career
you can't take someone's credit card out
of their office mailbox
and then lie about it
and think you won't get terminated well
the supervisor
lied on two separate occasions about
knowing about it
and i'm thinking what what kind of
agency do we have
if that's what's going on and we have to
use cameras
because bcso doesn't have cameras
yeah we didn't have them
but if you can't take your work in this
job
what do you have
nothing because that's what our artwork
is is everything and i know that my
mentor is rudy mora
so rudy moore was a was the under chef
at bcso and he mentored me from that
time i was a lieutenant until the time i
retired
and
just understand like i told you on the
phone i don't have anything to hide i'll
tell you whatever but it's frustrating
when
you show up and you're trying to make an
agency look
look like something you're familiar with
and this is what we get we get employees
intimidating other employees employees
stealing credit cards
and corporals and all this stuff
if if he would if he had given my
daughter a ticket
why would that happen what what bearing
would that have to do with me even
working here
i'm i'm just being a state policeman is
giving my wife a ticket going to denver
does that mean i'm just like no
i made it clear when i came here leave
all the past in the past because those
guys all hated the other chief
they hated them and i wasn't looking to
be liked i just wanted those guys to
know hey man i'm going to have your back
if you do the right thing yeah so it
just sounds like you're just looking to
fix the department and the issues that
it has so far that's what you're saying
are you you guys are familiar with what
with with how um command structure yeah
they don't hire a new chief to come and
say
well we've been doing bad let's keep
doing that
i came here with goals my goals and
unfortunately officer chapa was one of
the guys on day one he told me this
department's all [ __ ] up it's been
[ __ ] up
can you do that estate police
no no no i definitely cannot day one on
my first date
on my first day here and you know what i
said to him why don't you fix it i said
let's fix it together oh okay you and i
let's fix it together let's make this
department look like something that
we're both proud of
that's exactly what i said to him i
didn't
sergeant torres came with some good
ideas
i changed before the sergeants only the
sergeants have healed the officers
i said if the sergeants are up to you on
the officers what's your culture the
officers the senior officers should fto
officers not sergeants because if the
sergeant's ftoing who's doing the
sergeant's job she brought that forward
and i changed it because of her so for
them to say
i don't have one
i don't i don't have one look at me i'm
an african-american man obviously i've
had to overcome some obstacles i don't
have a prejudiced bone in my body but
what we will do
is this department will be professional
we won't intimidate we won't steal we
won't lie about it
i can't accept it
so if also chaplain has a beef with me i
didn't know he did and he sat in that
chair i demoted him from corporal he
said i don't have any problems with you
i'm not going to leave this room and i'm
not going to storm out of here and slam
the doors he left and he followed the
plane and said
the chief intimidated me
keep in mind i'm sitting here i said hey
man is there anything you want to say
let's get it out hr is sitting right
there he's sitting right here he's like
nope i don't have any beef with you i'm
not going to walk out of here and slam
the doors
24 hours later that was the first time
that i heard that
he had given my daughter a ticket
now no i'm not kidding you and i will be
straight up with you guys my daughter
never got a ticket
there no ticket never came to my house
my daughter plays volleyball in mexico
state she was ruined it
they gave my daughter a ticket for being
ready okay
she's a girl she probably drives like a
knucklehead but she was ruined she got
to take it
they said
well we never got it my daughter never
went to court
so if that if that was the kind of
ticket they gave her i'm excited because
it didn't affect her i got trapped so no
word that's all that's all madness and
and look at my history
i've gotten to this point from working i
didn't get here by discriminating by
harassing
all right um i think my only last
question i have uh before i see if he
has any is um have you made any policy
changes for the recording or anything
like that
i like i said i just january 4th was two
months for me i
haven't changed anything i haven't
changed any policies
i mean we're still in the
like we were in the honeymoon yeah
before all of the madness
all right
and then you got anything no good all
right and then we'll look at the cameras
yeah and then um i think later on if you
can just maybe help me out with some of
the emails just so i can see if you know
whatever you want yeah whatever you want
just to kind of help me out
like i said guys i don't hide anything
there's nothing to hide here no i
understand hey do you want a copy of
that yeah that'd be great and then um uh
the policies that's all right yes thank
you sir that's i had gotten this for you
guys no i appreciate it when i got the
cryptic call that there was an
investment
i was like all right let's do it yeah
yeah
hey you guys give us a second let's step
out if you don't know sure thanks
thanks
yeah and then i guess i have to rebook
it off i'll turn off the recording stuff
and then um
yeah
i'm sorry i'm sorry
no you're fine i'm scoot out of the way
see that i was talking about the blue
yeah
all over these guys know that it's on
and if they if they demand it or request
that they have a copy of the footage we
can go to i.t say hey burn us this
between these periods and go from there
oh did you ever look at any of the
yes footage yet
that i looked at some not not recent
yeah since you guys started your
investigation i won't request it i won't
oh okay i don't want it got it because
that gives you everything it gives you
your appearance that
you're trying to be deceitful okay
so so there's a camera yeah all right it
was right here
it was in here and it captured the
entire office where you can see the blue
light you see the blue line right here
yeah
and it captured the entire office like
this got it and then this is where she
used to sit right yes she sat right here
sergeant sergeant hernandez sergeant
dominguez got it and this is right here
so yeah so i'm thinking
everybody knows there's cameras oh
because you can see right yes
there oh yeah everybody and so you guys
kind of get my my yeah was was this here
yes yes this is a this is all up in here
the camera out there so it was in the
vent you see where the silver is yeah it
was an event capturing not here the
entire office
okay got it so this was here when she
was here yes this has always been here
so when you're the new chief and you
walk in you're like well they know
they're being recorded because the first
thing they gave me was that policy i
have it i have my my unit yeah
my first thing they gave me my contract
and then they gave me the town policies
and procedures
so why wouldn't i assume
as a betting man yeah these guys all
know they've been here longer than me
that the entire office space is this
isn't new this has always been here
got it go with questions
no i don't got any questions um
yeah if anything i guess pretty much and
you see the door the door clearly it
clearly shows this is a shared office
it's never locked it hasn't been locked
to two months that i've been here yeah
well then even they mentioned that they
change in here and they're like well
yeah we can lock it but you know like
i'm usually in and out and then if
there's if we want privacy we could just
go to the bathroom that's over there
so
what did you guys got for me man nothing
nothing nothing good
we're good oh thank you
yeah thank you
oh yeah thanks a lot thank you i
appreciate it you guys need anything
else
no no that's it and then if i could just
get i guess the copy of the policies and
emails
you're good all right
so i made this one i made this copy for
you guys yeah you guys want me to give
you one that's not highlighted i will
but let me make a copy of this for you
thank you and anything else if you want
to look at
what emails you want just the one that
she sent and then just to see if you did
any kind of replies i guess or anything
like that that's all
just uh one not trying to accuse her of
anything but if she didn't give me full
information or anything like that
that way you know we're getting both
sides of the story
you know what i'm talking about yes i do
here you sit down and you type it in and
what you need to do i i got none of her
um what which one is it so just go to
the top bar and type in um
sorry for tourists there you go i'm
gonna make a copy this weekend
i'm not comfortable going through this
stuff i don't complain
okay so this is this is the same wine
that i guess so you want to print it you
can
okay
you should copy it man
thank
to you from
and i've made it clear with these guys
that said hey if i don't do a good job
in this job you don't think i'll work
anywhere else
this is just i don't wanna
do it oh okay
okay they're mine but print whatever you
need to make no i think that's just
about it
thank you
and then i'll just go ahead and just uh
stop the recording
hey sorry i was going through i just had
one question if that's okay i was going
through the policies and i guess general
orders but then i found that one so
maybe that's what she was talking about
i guess about recording equipment in the
office
i don't i don't know if you had a chance
to go through those ones yet but this
was written in
[Music]
2018. yeah this is cheap this chief did
general orders instead of just going by
the s p you know we're making or
changing policies or anything like that
right
i didn't change this well no i know that
but i meant like if he put it in a
policy instead of making it a general
order
but yeah i guess that was one of the
things that she kind of pointed out that
was the only thing i can find but
that's about it who said that uh
whenever monica pointed out and then i
went through it then read it and then
i didn't know if he knew anything about
that one or not no one this one i didn't
see this one oh okay yeah because it's a
well like it's a
correspondent it's not in the policies
yet so i didn't see this one i never
read this and the lieutenant and i the
lieutenant never discussed it with me
obviously yeah and then the date so
you know so he probably might not
remember it or anything he would have to
know about it
yeah i don't know that's just in the
general orders and everything so
i don't know but that's the only thing i
just wanted to show you
see if you knew it no i didn't know this
yeah and no one explained when when we
discussed it and we
yeah and then especially because
the
i you know the other people you have to
go through to get approval so they knew
at least about it in some way or maybe
they just kind of and they never even
discussed when when i discussed it with
the with the tone with the town
administrator she didn't bring this to
my attention either yeah see so that's
the only reason i just brought it to
your attention but
i mean it's fine now because it's
already in there and then they already
approved it so
if anything so
but that's all i mean because i was like
oh well you probably don't know about
this but i looked at it and i'm not
trying to like like i said accuse you of
anything but i'm like oh you probably
didn't no
that's all so the sop i'm i'm obviously
i i supplied you with what i did what
you knew
yeah and
for this to be and that's what i'm
saying general orders well that should
be in the sop yeah or in our policy and
then even i think
to help monica since she brought that to
my attention she could at least showed
you that whenever she you know well well
so
if that makes sense after you discuss
that
when you she filed her complaint her
written complaint to the town
it was to ida
yeah that was to ida so based on that
being the ida i assume
that idol would investigate the
complaint and come back down with some
sort of or at least communicate with her
hey this is what we're going to do as a
result of your complaint yeah instead of
calling right by her calling you guys
she took the she took obviously she took
the um
the investigative
part out of it
out of our hands and i believe she
didn't want that anyway based on all the
things because
monica and i talked yesterday and her
number one thing is that she thinks that
since i'm new i'm a part of what they do
and i told her i said i can't interject
myself in your previous lawsuits or any
of that my actions were as a result of
the two complaints
yeah the the
with the fight and then with her thing
where one employee said he said she said
and then
sergeant sergeant hernandez making the
statement that hey this may have been
stolen so that's what the cameras were
the cameras were not to sarah
typically record anyone undressing
and oh oh i know that uh well you know
from what you told from what you told me
uh but then that i was just like well
whenever i saw this i was like oh he
might have not known no i didn't so
that's it
that's all i was just like oh well here
you go and then that way maybe you can
bring it up to
ida since she's the one who approved the
camera for you and then you know and
then kind of just ask your lieutenant
about it and then since it's a general
order and not a policy
you know it's not
you know what but but but for monica if
she knows about this as a supervisor and
she's using that she's well within her
right to think that yeah it's only fair
that she thinks that because i would and
now that's what i discussed with her
yesterday feel free to come and talk to
me
yeah because you said you had an open
door policy pretty much whenever i
talked to you so yeah i only brought
this just to kind of help you out and
just to kind of show you that i was like
oh well i found that monica showed me it
and then i read it and then i was like
okay and and where
because this isn't in the policy i have
my whole i have a bundle of general
general orders and i'll show them to you
if you want to see it yeah
it's not in there yeah i got a couple of
them um i don't know i could probably
email you what i have um if you i didn't
bring a pin with me just because i was
like oh i just wanted to show you this
and then that way you can get your email
and then i'll uh zip value the general
orders that i have from you guys and
then i'm sure it's stuff from like the
last chief and then like
one with only being in two months you
have to establish like a lot already
like stuff that's stuff that you want to
change stuff that you've been reviewing
so i'm sure it's taking you a long time
to do anything like that and then to get
to know everybody in the department
so you know you have a one a very uh
long tedious job that takes like a lot
and then you got to get familiar with a
different department from bcso
but yeah like i said whenever i saw that
i'm like well you didn't bring it up so
obviously i didn't because had i seen
this one i would have gone the item said
hey what what do you recommend as far as
this because we've had these problems
and and like the thing with the credit
card theft we would have never even
found that if you didn't have a camera
if we didn't have the cameras yeah the
new system
because the old system the old system's
still in place yeah so there's basically
overlapping systems yeah and then from
what i can get from it it just says
reissued as amended so sometime i guess
whenever
uh this general order was established he
admitted it to that okay at one point
but then didn't put it in a policy and
then uh like i know we have directives
in different districts the way that we
do it but that's just so the district
commanders and uniform can have
kind of
how they want to run like each district
depending on like crime and stuff within
state police but then we all obey the
policies and then that's about it so
after reading this audio or video
recording is prohibited in sergeant's
lieutenant's or chief's office without
their respective authorization or yeah
of the chief yeah exactly so that still
gives me the leeway to do that without
those guys knowing about it as long as
they're across the street they're
comfortable with that
yeah that's what it sounds like to me um
but yeah i just one that's for you and
then i'll email you the rest of it if
you just want to give me your email what
i have
so i yeah like i did i just didn't come
down here yeah let me give you let me
give you
let me give you my card yeah no i just
wanted to show that to you and i did
have your email and i'm like i'll just
bring i'll bring it to you real quick
that way you have uh
what the other chief i guess made for
his general orders
just to help you out
that's all that was for all right
if that makes sense no no i appreciate
it you're not you're right i did not
also
because i'm sure there's just not a lot
that you know
here's mine i have a stack of special
where you see i keep it all out yeah
as i have as i have problems with
different ones i tab
no like i said i know you're still just
trying to go through it like coming in
from a different apartment i'm sure you
want to make things to where they make
sense to you and make sense to the guys
that you're now in command of and
everything like that these are the
general orders that i have just the
bundle that i've gone through
yeah
these are the only ones that i was given
i got two i keep them right there
because i know where they're at but
thank you brandon
is there anything else i can help you
with you guys with no that was it
because i looked at it and i'm like well
he didn't bring it up so
and then and you brought up all the
policies you showed me that i'm like and
then i was like i don't know if you know
what the general orders were and then
especially since they're written by the
last chief most of them so it's like
it's like oh in instances where i don't
want to get in my opinion yeah in
instances where i don't want to get
jammed up he did a general order no
that should be an sop thing it shouldn't
be
because general orders
if if seven officers read it and the
other 14 don't
yeah because uh i don't know sometimes i
don't read every email like i'm supposed
to especially if it comes from
accounting i'm probably sure i miss like
a ton of important things from them but
i'm like oh they're sending in like time
sheets are due today just stuff like
just stuff like that but i don't know
the only time i ever read them if
they're like hey there's a policy change
then i'll read those ones because once
those are things like of course i have
to obey
so like uh the new one that they put out
i think last week was about always
wearing body cameras now
whenever we're on duty so they just want
to make sure because a lot of guys they
just uh turn them off
when they got in the office but they're
like no make sure they're on you know
not recording or anything but just make
sure that you guys are carrying them on
you everything like that
and then even for like uniform personnel
stuff like that
so yeah so i keep up with those ones
because like i said i don't want to get
hemmed up for not obeying policy because
they'll be like well we send an email
and whenever they send an email they're
like we expected that you read it even
though sometimes we don't
the only thing that when you guys left
the other day the only thing that i
wondered if we had discussed
in it that was you know that in all the
other buildings for the town of
bernalillo there are cameras yeah the
same camera yeah all right oh and then
also with that the other people i talked
to they didn't even know about that
general order because one like i said
it's from like two years ago but
everyone else i talked to they didn't
know about it either so and monica is
the only one that knew about it yeah
that remembered anyway so okay
that's it and and
correct me from right when i talked i
don't know i think i talked to your
captain he said that it was a voyeurism
she she was saying voyeurism
um
yeah voyeurism but then for it to be i
think voyeurism like uh completely or at
least
exposed chest or uh breasts and then
like a groin area
and then i don't know but yeah and then
um
and then those ones are wireless right
the ones that the ones that you guys are
trying out they're not they're not
wireless okay
oh okay they're hardwired got it all
right hardwired to the
um
to the little data system the blue cable
yeah to the their hardware to them okay
got it all right so that's it but yeah
but that's the only thing like i didn't
have a question um or anything like that
but i just wanted to share that with you
like oh hey there thank you i
i'm gonna walk when you leave i'm gonna
take it over there and say hey tell me
about this
and and and that one highlighted area
also gives me the leeway yeah that's why
it's just highlighted because i'm like
you can read it and then you have your
interpretation of it which obviously
says like you can do it ultimately i can
do it but i would and and by the town
manager giving me the ability to to use
them that but i don't want to i don't
want to confuse the people that i work
for exactly that's how you built this
trust yeah and then it's just it's you
know just
you know well you can fix it whenever
you get a chance you know what i mean
that way
everything's clear everyone knows
everything but
but like all the other supervisors
other than her because i thought they
assumed that the entire complex was
covered because it is
the outside the parking area
the common area the prisoner area
it's all so why wouldn't you think
in my that was my first thought the
first day i came in i was like damn they
got kids yeah like i would assume they
don't know but oh well yeah and i think
that's why she thought the office was
good and everything like that but
yeah like i said i just wanted to show
you and then you can talk to ida because
then i knew about it before it was
approved at least or maybe you should
get a double check just stuff like that
but
stuff from two years ago
and then you already said that i think
in there it says about criminal
investigations and i think you're
investigating
the credit card at the time so the
credit card
the previous allegation that sergeant
hernandez and that was that was kind of
my like you said i'm here i'm new i'm
getting all these things i'm like you
know what they want to upgrade our
system just put cameras and be done with
it yeah and that's what i thought that's
how i was thinking i wasn't thinking oh
you because who thinks their supervisors
are going to do weird stuff i don't
yeah no exactly don't completely
understand anyone
you know what
i appreciated brandon and as far as her
her thing goes i i'd be willing to talk
to her but i told her i will not talk to
you while this is going on it's an
active investigation but when it's done
i think she's gonna see that it's not
what she thought
yeah oh yeah that's what i'm hoping so
yeah like i said i just i just brought
that so it can help you out and then
maybe figure out the reason between uh
so hypothetically
if
say something was on there and she
wasn't fully being honest or
treat worthy would that be documented or
would it be
yeah because whenever i invented a
course that's documented that well she
knew i was recording her
and everything like that and then just
kind of just going forward and then um
yeah and then i'm just trying to stay
neutral as possible
that's what i'm asking because say you
invest you you review
the nine nine eight eight or nine nights
of footage where she's working and they
so anything are you documenting all of
it
oh all of it uh
all of it so okay that's about it
because if
there's speculation that this is a
retaliatory thing towards the time yeah
it is a speculatory right now that's why
i brought it up to you and that's why i
had to ask you
yeah about that the ticket from like a
long time ago and then that's so i
didn't really like from what you said
she didn't get a ticket so there's no
retaliation
i was like hey
tell me if i'm wrong here did was my
tartar ever given a ticket and he
searched through he said your daughter
got a warning so if they gave my
daughter a warning thank you yeah
exactly so that's like i wouldn't go
after you forgiven but but at the end of
the day you'd have to be pretty callous
or
deranged to think okay i'm gonna get the
chief's job i'm gonna wait on you to do
something i'm gonna pay you back and i
don't operate it's a lot of effort i
don't know for me it's just kind of like
i don't know i have other things to do
with my time
and
we were all teammates
yeah i thought we were all and that was
the approach that i took with this
entire job if you're involved in
someone's credit card being stolen
like and and you're the dude on duty
supervisor and you guys discuss it
instead of bringing it to the lieutenant
or the chiefs what do you because our
attorneys say we have to be consistent
or if you're going to be disciplined for
stealing someone's credit card and then
you lie about discussing the stolen
credit card you're
just as at fault
and that's what the attorneys told me
that we had to be consistent with so
how that's retaliatory oh
yeah no and and the thing with monica
even it happened before i worked here
yeah so there's just no point in you
technically even being involved with all
that stuff and that's the point i made
from day one everything that happened
before i worked here please don't
involve me in her lawsuits and i've
worked really hard but she believes that
everyone is out together she told me she
doesn't trust the lieutenant and she
doesn't know where i stand she told me
that to my face which i appreciate
no i complete yeah so well thank you man
thanks yeah no thank you
yeah that wasn't any way to admit to
interview so i'm sorry if you felt that
way or anything like that i just wanted
to be like hey i just wanted a glitch
yeah no i just came here to drop it off
as like a tool for you to help out and i
know like
you have all those books to go through
and then um it looks like you're
bringing in bernalillo police
departments or bernalillo sheriff's
department just to kind of
compare change anything like that to
where you feel like it could to fit this
department better yes i'm comparing
contrasting as i have issues i tab it
and i i'll tab them for later for later
dates
that's what i saturdays i just read
all the policies yeah and then the other
uh the other officers i was talking to
they're just really excited because you
wanted to bring in some teams and other
people thrown out teams so a lot of them
are really excited that you're doing new
things with the department so they're
like oh yeah and then um
i can't remember his name but he's
really excited about like the dwi thing
coming in
yeah so he's really excited about that
and i i've got their stats i put a memo
together
and i bought him jackets i bought him
patches i got i got two officers
assigned to task forces
wednesday so
like man this is about work to me this
isn't about petty beasts
no yeah everyone seemed a little uh
from the lower end like really excited
sergeants are doing pretty good so it's
just i guess it's just from
everything else but everyone seems
really excited
yeah two my first day here choppa told
me this place is all [ __ ] up it's been
[ __ ] up and i'm like
and hr was their stage i represented my
first day here the hr representative was
standing next to me and i was like i was
like let's make it better together you
and i let's make it better and that's
what i told him
for whatever reason he
i don't know if he just didn't like me
didn't trust me but
i can't change that no i know i can't
change it and i'm i'm just gonna work
so oh well but thank you thank you i'm
def i'm gonna talk to the lieutenant
about it and i'll walk over and ask them
hey
if but
we'll get through
all right yeah and then whenever i get
back um i'll put in like a little zip
folder and then email it to you
hopefully i could all fit on one email
but it'll just say just general orders
all right
and then i have all the policies i guess
electronically and i'll see what else is
in there and i'll just send them off to
you so that way you have them too well i
have the file oh okay
oh okay never buy that policies i have
the policies on the share
these
hidden special orders general orders
yeah so
i don't know because i know even
policies are for the public to know too
so
i don't know about how general orders
work or directives but you know it'd be
good if that's in policy
and he did that i noticed he did a bunch
of general orders
those are the those are his changes
that's that
this is a this is a previous chief
like
yeah
so
it's something important you gotta put
it in the policy the general order can
be overlooked
your order is only as good as the time
frame uh policy everyone's responsible
for reading signing for
acknowledging that they know it yeah and
then what yeah and then that being
two years ago and then some general
orders change depending on like a new
chief comes in or district commander for
us is like district commander then a lot
of directives are like null and they
gotta be oh really yeah depending on
what they are or anything but like he'll
look over him and then he'll just go
like oh yeah these are still good and
stuff like that but in order to do that
doesn't he have to uh basically amended
or updated yeah exactly through the
chief yeah exactly i i don't know if
they put in policy yet but i remember we
had a directive in farmington where like
when you come to the office if you're
not downloading vehicles because it used
to be like we back in and they would
download uh remotely he's like turn off
your vehicle you know so that way you're
not wasting gas
so if anybody or it can't be on for more
than like 10 to 20 minutes like if
you're just running in and grabbing
something stuff like that so that way no
one's wasting gas obviously and that's
that we had the same thing in brownell
county that was a county commissioner
thing where they seemed they had seen
the unit at the substation run and then
they went so
yeah i know our uh the lieutenant
whenever i was there lieutenant foreman
like he would get onto people he'd come
in screaming he's like whose unit blah
blah blah you know
just it's just sitting at people i'm
like i'm like oh man i hope it's not
mine i'm like awesome okay gorgeous
or just
make sure everybody i i manage from a
different perspective
we have had these complaints this is not
my issue
so we're all above board and we're all
putting out the best the best image of
the department do this you can't yell at
people because you lose their
they don't respect you yeah the
messenger is always the demon
that's what i noticed so but
well thank you brandon thank you yeah
thank you i'm sorry to interrupt your
time i should have called first but i
was no no i appreciate dude this is
you're you're doing your favorite
yeah sorry i forgot a pin i don't know
because i was like oh my only thing was
just to drop that off to you because
it's like oh hey look
there's this
there's my cell phone there
no thank you so much yep thank you man
thank you brian yeah thank you sir
hey how you doing i'm gonna boss you and
i hope you have a good day