I don't know what to tell you guys anymore I shot him he's dead do you do you feel badly that that you shot him do I feel bad yeah not really okay what would you say to Vince's family right now if you had a chance Vince's family [Music] yeah why don't we why don't we start with um a little bit about uh what happened today because I know there's been a lot of stuff that's that's happened what what happened about what time did everything get going today well he was um he was there and attacking just making sure that he was uh making sure that he could do something about my car or whatever and he just keeps on he keeps on keeping on but I don't I don't understand that can you explain that a little bit to me today what what that means he keeps irritating us me and my wife being Sandra yeah no like I said I know there there's a there's a ton of documentation about him irritating you and doing some things with you guys but tell me about today specifically if you would today yeah today what what what you said that the today is the uh the straw that broke the camel's back what happened today I'm not I'm not really clear about so okay I'm just I'm telling you the truth I just I just I don't feel very good right and I I always take uh you know I I say prayer every day I did the toate for the whale you know actually did that for the for the EXC people and I got that I'm an artist you and um I just I'm just uh very very um very um just I feel just spiritual okay okay like I don't like to be you know I'm physically um you know if you were attack me I would beat your [ __ ] ass MH you know there's there's no doubt about me right this is who I am yeah you know I'm 76 years old and I'm an ex police officer I'm a veteran of B52 bombers m and that's who I am and the whole family is like that we all we all be there MH and you've seen everything that he said over the time that he's done to us and we we had to put up with that [ __ ] and why should I put up with that [ __ ] you guys have an explanation for that I I don't I don't oh I do do you mind if I ask you a couple couple of question did have you had any alcohol today don't think that the wrong way I'm just I just asked yeah I had uh Sandy bought me some AR R I had yeah and what time was that about it's early okay it's it's uh 6 6:20 right now so 6:20 yeah yeah I had a shot and a little gigil okay that's that's it so just one shot of of whiskey today okay yeah the RN R okay cuz I was feeling really bad can me get it I was doing the bathroom thing I was telling you about I gotta keep I got to get all that stuff out of there and I finally got a door and I had that on the top of the the dishwasher uh so yeah you got to be there it's called making the house work yeah say these on my case all the time I do this she's Lov how long you been married huh how long you been married oh 26 years 2 years yeah it's been a while I think of quite a while okay and we have uh yeah we me and S we do stuff together okay yeah we do our food we do uh if it's a it's we are a combination you know we figure stuff out you know has uh has your wife had some run-ins with the with this guy too oh yes oh yes very s well if you guys look back on what is really uh stuff that he's done the you'll find out that there's a whole bunch of stuff that he's done to Wi okay and it uh this you know I I don't he attacked me today okay and um can you tell me about that huh can you please tell me about that Wayne so I can understand it again I'm not I wasn't up at the scene at all so I don't have any of the the background he was coming he was coming at me okay and uh I had my shotgun this is a 192 you guys ought to see this thing it's so beautiful it's a and he attacked me so I just I shot back okay I killed him okay did he when he attacked you did was how did he attack you sir oh just I'm GNA do this I'm GNA do that and he's go he's you know he's there's my my column there that I built myself that column you saw that column Tes to push push it over you know and just be an irritation one thing after another okay you know I I I'm a very nice guy you know you guys would hang out with me and we play guitar taster do you mind if we just start at the beginning though the beginning of just him prior to uh it sounds like he did something to to your property huh says sounds like he did something to your property yes he does it continuously can you but today can you start from the beginning of how this started just so I understand what today yeah yeah I think this call came in about 4:00 right around 4:00 so what happened before 4 I'm not quite sure okay what what do you remember huh what what do you remember that he was attacking us okay and how was that he was going to do this going to do that his lights come on he just irritating the [ __ ] out of us what who was doing I want to understand and I want to help you Wayne but you're going to have to give me some more detail you're going to have to you're going to have to make me understand that that doesn't I I can't understand what that means even being irritating and and harassing you you and your wife can you please again I wasn't there so just kind of walk me through it how it happened the first interaction with you and Vince well today today yeah yeah he was harassing and he's going to go through all this stuff and he's going to do something with my column and everything and that that was he was he was on the attack okay yeah so what did he say specifically to you do you remember yeah oh um he was he was U just making noise going to do stuff to us yeah all this okay it's just I I can't deal with it anymore no I understand it sounds again I've seen the seen the calls here there's lots of yeah lots of interaction I just I've never killed anybody what made today different than in the past cuz he attacks me okay attacked you verb or physically attack me physically and verbally okay he's he's out there you see my colum there and he's trying to push it over and I spent a lot of time working on that column it's just it's just it's just you know this part of our house and stuff yeah the guy so today he he tried to push the column over yeah he's Tred several times okay did you tell him to stop yes I told him leave it alone leave it leave leave me alone was he drunk huh was he drunk today I'm not sure okay he looks like he's got some alcohol issues that's why I I get I don't know he's got some issues he is a methhead okay meth that is what it is he has he has put that in our house too okay the meth we felt it I'm telling you the truth it just felt really weird that I felt that meth meth bu [ __ ] no I saw that report back in uh December yeah okay so today he's he's doing something with a column correct okay and then um you you told them to stop yeah okay and then but you said that he verbally and physically attacked you explain to me how he physically attacked you oh he he he was walking down his steps over to my house and just okay yeah just going on the going on the attack okay did he did he threaten you did he threaten herur you at all yes he threaten me he threatened us many times okay so so what made you go get that shotgun I just had it up to here okay where do you keep your shotgun in my house it's right right against the wall was a 1912 ior Johnson which is a very beautiful shotgun okay I keep it very very polished that's all it is it's just a it's just a 12 gauge shotgun so as you walk into your trailer where where do you where's the the gun sitting typic where when you walk into your your home where do you keep the the gun from there it's right against the wall which wall would that be um let's see well as far as my bedroom is going it's just right by by the bedroom okay near the the [ __ ] okay it's just sitting against the wall yeah that's it okay you worried that someone's going to come in and take it you worried that someone's going to access it or you just you don't put it away or when because we got a lot of [ __ ] [ __ ] out here okay to say the least right you know I'm not going there's a lot of [ __ ] problems here meth heads druggies and everything else and if you want to [ __ ] with me I'll tell you what they're going to I'm going to [ __ ] with them m i don't take a I I don't put up with this [ __ ] okay you know what do you want to do you guys are you guys don't show up that the you know what's going on around here you got a whole [ __ ] place up here that is full of meth heads mhm yeah and they go on and they go on and it's back and forth with my car and there it's the whole thing yeah I I'll step out there and beat the [ __ ] out of them yeah I have no problem with that I just don't like it's just me my wife we're just old people is that what happened today sir you just kind of pushed it to that limit then yeah okay so you went inside the house the shotguns against the wall was it already loaded or do you do you keep it unloaded or no I don't keep it unloaded okay no no no no I keep it it's would you guys like to come and see it it's it's a real I I'm sure we'll be getting some photographs it's not a bad okay so so the shotgun is against the wall did he enter your house right there there it is right there where was he where was he when he was when he was uh harassing you oh he was well we're going to we're just lay it laying it down about he's going to do stuff and he's going to do do this he's going to do that he's got the lights on MH and everything else what he just yeah okay just tired of he he poses he posed you think I would kill him if I didn't think he was opposing me no come on this guy was acting like a [ __ ] [ __ ] and I shot him he's dead okay you get it because that's what he that's what he was doing he was going to try that with me yeah you know you think I just off the hand just killed him no he was attacking okay okay okay I still I wish I could I wish I could see it can you explain I I want to be able to have a vision of how he was attacking you can you explain well he comes down his steps and he he comes over here comes down his steps yeah he comes down and he's he's yelling at me and he's we're doing this and we're doing that and we're going this way we're going and he's he's got his cat and he's over there my car okay and he's just being a [ __ ] pain in the ass okay that's and then he keeps going and he keeps going and he's attacking me about this that and another okay was he was he on your property when he when you decided to go get the shotgun he was on my property okay where was he on your your property exactly well you see where you see where my deck is okay and right down there is the stairs and he's right there with the he's he's over there he wasn't he wasn't on the deck is that no he was he was out here okay yeah where my car is got walking around our from the driveway area okay so then in other words he uh he would do nothing to flatten our tires y he has he has smashed my he has smashed my Spock plugs in our car okay okay so we don't we can't go anywhere it's just me and Sandra you know do you have any other guns sir no I just have that shot just that shotgun yeah it's just I Johnson I John okay and then where do you where do you keep the uh the ammunition for those for the shotgun just in my my bed by bed yeah what what kind of ammo did you use today well I have a I have stainless steel okay the big the stainless steel shop okay I don't [ __ ] around with that St steel okay and right I shot him right where was he when you shot him right outside my house okay what in the same place by the Yeah by the did you what did you say to him before you shot him oh he was I says get the [ __ ] you know he was attacking Oh no you're not going to do that oh my God you know he just he was on the attack okay where was he standing sir do you remember huh do you remember where he was standing yeah stand he was standing right there by my my column by your by your column okay got and then where were you standing I was in the house were in the house yeah I was just in the house having having a coffee or right but when you when you actually shot him where where were you standing I was right on the deck on the deck okay um would you be able to draw me a picture would that do that make sense that mean just so I can visualize it a little better I suppose want try that okay just I'm just trying to get a better idea and understand home I know there we go so if you want to just uh maybe start with the car well here's my here's my uh my column okay it's where is that column in relation to your deck let me see I got the call I I it's all it's all made of stone and stuff I did it myself okay you know it's just looks like this so it's the column on the on the deck yeah that's my column got it I mean I like I did myself the inside frame was all it was uh it was uh stainless it was um it wasn't it was framed but it was uh uh metal okay yeah so I I made that purposely and I I made a little mailbox there actually I was making these I was going to sell them you know because I did a pretty good job at it but anyhow he's U so he's coming down my steps next to that and I was I don't know it's hard it's very difficult for me you want to turn it over and start with just a picture of the house and then maybe the deck if you turn the piece of paper over yeah let's just say we're looking at it overhead you can even make him like a stick figure you don't need to Big A make a big D big drawing out of it just something there he is there's his steps okay so that's his trailer yeah yeah he comes down okay and then he's he's pretty much harassing the [ __ ] out of us okay saying things to you was Sandy there with you yes sand Sand's always been with me okay but did she witness this today yes okay all right so he walks down a step he's he's harassing you where's your where's your um your trailer in relation to his oh art trailer yeah well just are just you're right next to him right yeah we got the we got a deck okay and we got you know it's just it's just something we've worked on for a long time it's just it's just me and sandri so what is that that you just drew huh what's that that you just drew is that your house or that's our that's our you know there's our there's our our stuff and he's not allowed to come over here but he comes over here on a regular basis you know you guys have a don't tell me you don't because he's had enough [ __ ] with the county yeah no I'm aware of that you understand okay that's where I've been dealing I know I know but I I and and we we understand that sir we just want to understand what was going through your mind today when this happened and I you got to you got to explain it to me you got to give me I understand he was for asking you he's an [ __ ] I get all that but you got to tell me you got to explain a little better to me so I have I can I can appreciate where you're coming from because right now I I just don't get it you don't know where I'm coming from I I do in in a in a sense but not today specifically why today was any different than all these things that he did to you in the past why today did you go grab the shotgun and shoot him what made it what made today different because he he attacked me know physically attacked you phally attack explain that to us how he physically he come down from stairs he's yelling at me he's going oh I'll do this I'll do that yeah he was attacking me okay so he was verbally attacking you he yeah he attacked me did he threaten you yeah well that's what his whole thing was about but how was he threatening you what was he saying well we're going to do this we you know I'm going to blah blah blah blah blah he had all plus but what does that mean what does that mean sir plus he's got a bunch of young girls in his house okay which uh we're talking he is a pervert okay that and everything else yeah I don't know what else I can tell you guys the guy's a [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah you know methamphetamine huh methamphetamine methampetamine he's got lots of women over there yeah he's he's causing problems he has for several years yeah but he has these he he has these young girls yep you know dark dark girls and he brings them into his house the guy is a [ __ ] pervert okay okay we got that straight MH yeah yeah so he's playing all his games his lights are on in my house you know my bedroom and his lights are on showing that he's got he's he's ill I don't know what to tell you guys anymore I shot him he's dead do do you you feel badly did you shot him do I feel bad yeah not really okay no I no he sounds like he deserved it in your mind yes yes I do yeah how does Sandy feel how's she doing Sandra she says I'm going to jail okay and it's not I told her I told her she Sanders Sanders is always Sandra he he uh always harasses her my wife okay continuously yeah I know she's been on some of these reports as well so where we at now well I'm still trying to to get a better understanding of what what happened today can will you just give me a minute to try and explain and then maybe you can fill in the blanks so he's Vince is out there causing problems with the columns he's harassed ing you you've had it this was the last STW you went in and got why did you go get I know you said he harassed you but you went in and got the shotgun loaded it because you said you keep it unloaded but you you then sounds like initially you said you shot from inside but then you said no you actually shot from the deck area yeah I was on the deck was he advancing on you or you said he was over by on me he was coming around did he did he have anything in his hands any uh did he have anything in his hands nothing I could see oh okay okay I don't know did he have anything in his hands prior to did he did he did he threaten you with a weapon today did he threaten me yeah with a weapon today oh yeah he did what did he say he's got stuff in his hands he's gonna do this he's gonna do that okay you know okay what what do you mean by that though what what ises that mean stuff in his hands to do this I want to understand you more Wayne but I'm not I'm just not it might just be me I'm just not I'm not getting it what what happened today outside of him harassing you yeah you you said you'd had enough I've had it from him okay he is a p piece of [ __ ] yeah do do you think you shot him because he's just a [ __ ] and he deserve to be shot an no no he I he attacked me and he was yell he was doing all this stuff alite coming up on my deck and everything and that's why I shot him I said he oh he was he was oh my God boom how many times did you shoot him just once just once where are you did you did you aim at him no not really I just I just shot him okay where do you think you hit him I am probably in the head I hope okay listen did you go over there and and check on him after you shot him no I did not what' you do right after you shot him what happened there's enough police guards up here to understand that oh I I know but what did you do with the gun did you secure your gun did want me to go see it well not right now not right now I mean there's people up there but I'm just I want you to explain it more to me Wayne there's no explanation the guy's a [ __ ] [ __ ] attack me okay that's that's the end of it can I go home well not not I'm not I'm not done yet plan I got to understand more oh yeah yeah I got I got to understand more when you say harass you when you say he physically attacked you how did how did he physically attack you explain to me what he did to you today well he had some stuff in his hands what's that what's stuff in his hands what's that oh just uh you know just had his what his bull [ __ ] that he has a a a a cane or whatever yeah how old is Vince 60s old is Vince yeah I don't know I don't know I'm not sure how old he is okay how how long have you wanted to kill this guy how long do I want to kill this guy yeah how long you felt this way lot lot yeah he's he's he's he's he's [ __ ] up he he punched our tires mhm he's [ __ ] up my car Y and and yeah what do you think quite a while yeah what if I do what if I did that to you oh yeah I'd be pissed you'd be pissed would you absolutely yeah yeah yeah what would you do I don't know I don't know what I would do you don't know no you're right unless I'm actually there I don't know yeah but it sounds like he guy's a [ __ ] [ __ ] y he's harassed us harass me and my wife and you guys you're making me the bad guy no man I'm making you the bad guy Wayne just want to understand we we both want to understand you why why you did it today and not in the past because he's harassed you in the past right he's harassed Us big time were you why don't you uh look at the do you have a category of what's going on yeah did you ever see what he is I have yeah yeah he's got he's got all kinds of contacts I mean yeah there you go look at this yeah there's a [ __ ] piece of work pretty lengthy there's a [ __ ] piece of work there oh he is jeez he's got two pages yeah two pages of arrests early conduct I mean he's he's clearly pissed you off oh to no end yeah I'm surprised that he break his jaw yeah you know I'm really capable of [ __ ] him up really capable of [ __ ] you know I just I I have no idea in other words don't [ __ ] with me right 76 years old MH and I I do so put up of any [ __ ] yeah no I can see that yeah I'm still I'm still 76 years old and I I can still beat the [ __ ] out of you yeah yeah did you ever um did you ever threaten to just have a fight with him it sounds like uh there was an incident no was it two years ago it goes on and on and on come on back in 2021 stand up okay that's all right you going to be okay I gotad I know God it's the worst thing you know that's the worst thing you can actually get you might want to sit down then if you got vertigo I don't want you falling nowhere oh no I'm okay I just had to stand up it's just like I can't even walk down the stairs in my house I can't even it's bad I gotta tell you and I I went to physical therapy about it and it it was even worse oh it yeah see see what it is there it is right there I want you sit down I don't want you fall yeah just just a minute you guys oh yeah it's bad you in pain right now yeah I have pain yeah yeah it's just a it's yeah it's in the yeah it's painful when I I like to get I get in bed I get my pillow when they do everything and I I fall asleep and I feel pretty good MH and I I don't load my gun the gun is not loaded ever it never loaded no oh no today it was not loaded correct no it's 12 12 days you keep it there by the byom stainless steel yep stainless steel shot okay and it just I think I think you said earlier you keep the ammunition in the bedroom yeah but you keep the shotgun out of the bedroom yeah the shotgun is probably it's very it's it's my bedroom right sometimes where I my toil is m i put it back in there it's not loaded it's never been loaded I don't load my shotgun right but today he he pushed you to that point that's right he was on the attack he was on the attack verbally he had some he had something going on by the column he was he was messing with your column today too correct is that right sir okay you went into the house grabbed a gun and then you had to go separately get the ammunition because it wasn't together correct is that right just one shot I know you just so you just loaded at one time yeah uh what what kind of ammo was it like a buck shot or was it stain steel steel just one stainless steel three three inch okay all right in other words when you're here you don't know what's there yeah oh yeah so you came outside and were first you said you were inside the house were you actually inside or outside on the deck when you shot do you remember I was on the deck on the deck and he was harassing he was he was coming to me but he was over by the car at some point still over by your car correct okay so he might have been messing with your car even you don't know where was Sandra standing at that point she has gone to the oh she went to the food bank oh so she wasn't there she so she bought some the bags and stuff for the food bank we we do the B we do the food bank okay every now and then we we have a little money we put we we put some food bank money MH you know so was she there today when this happened well she was until she showed up and she found out that I was going to go to jail yeah yeah she knows I killed him yeah because he was trying to kill me you know it's just the way it is you think I just arbitrarily just shoot somebody I've been I've been in gunfights before have you oh yes many times is a police officer or otherwise 38 Special okay yeah how many how many gunfights were you in about three okay yeah you uh you had a you made a comment to a neighbor today you you told a neighbor today what happened do you remember that talking to a neighbor yeah a neighbor over here I don't know what side but they asked you what happened or why you shot him and you said well he's an [ __ ] do you remember that oh you attack B I know but we're we're still trying to figure out what exactly you you actually did or he did to attack you yeah and that that we haven't heard you explain that yet do you understand that when you you maybe you think you have and that would be a good time he attacked you what exactly did he do he come out on my deck and he was he had stuff in his hands and he's just going to go make his life a little living hell right we already know about who he is yep while he was at he was actually going on the attack okay and I don't want him to go he's you know he's bringing it in he's bringing it but what do you mean by that he's coming he's coming over to my house he's coming to my deck okay he's coming to my my column okay he's just there and he's just acting so he's he he wants to push the column over you know mentioned that or yeah yes he wanted to do that was that what pissed you off that he was that he was going to push that column over put a lot of effort into it and break it maybe yeah I BR good yeah but what what was the actual what was the actual the final straw what was it the the breaking of the column or messing with your car and he's he's over there coming up my he's coming up my deck he's coming up my steps yeah yeah is but but how did you feel threatened cuz he was threatening me but what did he say what did he say Let's Pretend okay well let's pretend we've got a a camera um that that's one of your relative or I'm sorry one of your neighbors may have that we can we can access and look at what what would we see what would we hear he was on the attack okay he's going to show me how bad he is is that what he said yeah okay that was it he was going to show you how bad he was yes that's a that's a long and that's just that's this what the long and the short of it is right there you think I just go ahead and throw his [ __ ] away just because no I wouldn't do anything like that you guys know better than that but he attacked okay but you said that he was an [ __ ] and he deserved it and you didn't feel badly that that you shot and killed this guy or he's an [ __ ] yeah you guys know that as well as I do well it sounds like he is but he comes he attacked me you know being the [ __ ] that he is okay he's got he's going to bring son of a big has brought in these little girls m he's got a real problem tell I'm just telling you guys the truth s noticed that yeah he is a perver then that pisses you off too right that makes you angry too right and being a pervert with these girls yeah to to no to no wind okay yeah there's a deputy that went out to your house uh last November and do you remember probably don't remember specifically but he'd been there was a deputy that come to your house and he had uh and Vince had been bothering you harassing you doing something harassed us it was the time before right remember the meth incident that you've mentioned that was that was New Year's Eve I think right around there I don't know and you thought you you thought you'd possibly ingested some of the meth fumes in your trailer anyway prior to that You' made a comment to this this Deputy that you thought that he should be killed do you remember that telling the deputy that what back in November November 17th of last year so almost a year ago 11 months ago the deputy had responded because he Deputy white yeah Deputy white oh how is he doing I don't know he told me he was fed up he was going to go be a real police officer in Montana probably say that come here what are you talking about you you guys so he shows up you tell you tell Deputy white you kind of had it with him at this point with Vince at this point oh yeah yeah he he says what was that noise so so I blew a 12 gauge shotgun into the dirt over there okay yeah that was a long this is this is history okay okay I'm going to Montana yeah I wonder if you ever went to Montana I can't handle this yeah yeah yeah well come on just hang out for a while and who was it there's another these guys are great you know do you like the Sheriff's Office huh you like the Sheriff's Office oh sure yeah yeah I take great pride in being a police officer and knowing you guys you know I take you know I understand I I just take great pride you know the fact that I killed somebody is he [ __ ] asked for you know what would you what would you tell them today could you if you could do it over again would you do what just not even go get gun if you had a chance to relive what happened you could rewind go back 3 hours no I had the gun in my hand right but if you had the opportunity now Wayne were you if this for this to have not happened would you have done things differently no I probably I would have shot still shoot him yeah he was it was it was trust me you guys there's a reason why I shot him okay what what's that reason he was attacking me okay and I don't like being attacked that's why I shot him simple as that other you think I just go ahead and shoot people no no no but Wayne I think you um we've been talking now for almost an hour I think it I think you the way you've explained it to me this is the way I understand it is you just you felt like he deserved it that he deserved to be shot today because he's an [ __ ] he pimps out these young girls he smokes methampetamine he's bothering the whole place and he just he was he was harassing you verbally today that's right and you'd had it up to here and you went and got your shotgun you you shot him and killed him you you couldn't deal with that anymore is that accurate that's pretty accurate yeah pretty accurate okay yeah because he was attacking other yeah you don't mess with s attacking you verbally doesn't sound like sander was there today well he has uh attacked Sandra on several occasions what do you mean how explain that yeah he um he told s that he's got this uh um he wanted to show her this uh thing that he had which was a sexual thing okay yeah with my wife mhm yeah so that's what you mean by him attacking Sandra yeah like being perverted yeah he's attack s on several occasions can you give another so he he he uh he he gave her information that was kind of offensive to her about some sex stuff yeah okay what El like show you thing about he was having sex yeah he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] I mean my wife how long go that happen oh that was about a couple years back okay yeah were you there when it happened well she told me of course I got inflamed yeah you know what the hell you think what the [ __ ] is this guy about yeah you know so he's making sexually suggestive comments about your wife now that's right and that pissed you off W it didn't piss me off it's just Sanders knows better than that you know my wife is my friend and she's been we we've been we're very good for to each other yeah how else did he did he harass Sandra Oh God talk s about that okay yeah she'll be uh Johnny on the spot yeah I think someone's talking to her yeah today did uh did he ever physically attack Sandra did you ever physically put his hands on her well he's tried he's tried okay he's tried has he ever physically attacked you yes he has okay tell me tell us about that how did he physically attack you last well he thought he thought he could you know that I was you know I'm not the guy he thought he was okay so what what happened time they were talking about the last time that he he physically attacked you not tonight but but another time the the previous time yes what did he do to you what did he physically do to you yeah he thinks he he thinks I'm going to be a pushover okay did he hurt you well he tried to I know but did he hurt you has he ever has he ever hurt you physically he has he ever punched you uh yeah he's he's G on the attack on CLE occasions yeah but Wayne is he ever has he ever hit you with anything he's throwing some [ __ ] at okay like what what's he throwing at you just uh some uh what do you call it just anything he can throw at my house boards he does throws [ __ ] at my house okay yeah but he's never physically hurt you correct no he's never physically hurt me okay he knows better okay all right and have you ever physically prior to tonight had you ever physically hurt him no I haven't I never I never attacked it I tried to be nice right you know you got to understand that I give a a a lot to this guy just shot attack and I shot him he's dead you know that's all there is period it's done you know you want to go further well what do you think what do I think yeah what what do you think should happen as a result of all this he he's dead how do you what do you think should be done you were a police officer I'm happy that he's not here anymore okay the reason why he's he's dead is because he [ __ ] up he [ __ ] he he screwed me all he he attacked me that's always dead Simple Pure that's the way that's the way it came down you guys know better than that you know the guy attacked me and my wife okay how do you how do you want this to what do you want to happen after all this you think there should be any accountability for your actions tonight my accountability yeah that I shot him yeah no I feel bad about it I I haven't killed anybody lately okay but he asked for but again again way how would you how would you resolve this whole thing tonight then what do you think should be the what what what's the resolution what do we do well I'd like to just go back to my house and me and my wife and just relax and just you know if we have any problems send some deputies over and uh I I tell you one thing it really hurts me I I need to have some deputies come over to my house and talk to me about because I killed somebody it it hurts me it it hurts me and just sit down and talk with me a little bit find out who I am am that I'm not I I it's just just hurts it hurts it hurts a lot it's not something that I want to do tomorrow or the next day it's just what would you do what would you do Wayne if um some other guy moves in there and he's got the exact same personality as Vince and he's he's verbally harassing again how do you think you would handle it would you do anything differently well usually I grab him by the neck and drag them out and get the [ __ ] out of them okay I don't put up a [ __ ] but this thing this was this was this was a verbal this was a gunshot you know it's it's not like I was gunning for the guy the guy [ __ ] just kept on and kept on and kept on yeah know what do you want me to do come on you guys make believe that you're here with me which you are you what would you do huh like tough situation yeah yeah got go jam out yeah yeah what what would you say to Vince's family right now you had a chance Vince's family yeah tough [ __ ] okay you really pissed you off huh he really pissed you off oh no doubt in my mind yeah are we gonna how long are we going to do this you know you got you guys are you understand this guy [ __ ] me over on several occasions and attacked me that's why he's dead Okay y any anything else no I I understand you are angry it sounds like you had every right to be angry with this guy you really did so what do you want to do to me well I'm asking you what you think is a is a reasonable uh resolution to this whole thing how you would deal with it you said earlier you just go home and sleep okay and or you know relax at home being my wife and uh you guys welome to my house talk to me because I I need to I need to talk to you guys because it it hurts me that I killed somebody yeah that it's not it's not a good thing I've been in gun fights before you know and it's just it doesn't hurt it hurts it hurts here you know I did the CATE Cate you know the whale mhm I did a stuff with them to it's it's a toate another I'm an artist right and I just it just hurts it just hurts me all over the place I don't know I just like to go to bed no I understand I understand where you're where you're coming from um is that what you were wearing today is that what you were wearing today with the clothes that you have on yeah this is she I did this I was painting she yelled at me Sandra yeah okay oh you got p on your shirt you have a wife yeah okay you know I'm understanding yeah Sandy Sandy and me are just we're just I don't know we're like two people we have uh we have a lot of grandchildren she's got grandchildren I got grandchild matter of fact I got 10 grandchildren and six great grandchildren so they all around here or they somewhere else oh they're all all all South Georgia okay North Carolina stuff yeah they don't come around here much anymore I don't know where yeah you come you have to be there I got so many children you know why'd you move all the way out to Washington huh what made you move all the way out to Washington maybe you already told me this I like washing I like it it's it's it's nice yeah it's it's it's fluid it's got It's a lot of stuff going on don't you agree you from where you from Utah I'm sorry well now you know why I'm here now you know why I'm here yeah yeah yeah I just want to go home and go to bed and just talk we can talk about this any time I want you guys to come to my house and bring me down because I I I hurt I hurt because I killed somebody you gun anything else you want to add Wayne anything just anything about about what happened today anything else that you think is important that we know that he's being attack he's attacking he attacked us I know we you you mentioned that yeah but you still didn't I don't I don't think you explained it very well I didn't explain very well no well you really didn't I I you just didn't whatever okay but I want you to this is a great opportunity you've got the cameras on you can you could explain physically what he was doing um what was going on in your mind he what was going on in my mind yeah I was getting ready to not do anything I was getting ready for my car he Flats the tires he does and then he attacked me I know but y told us how he attacked you you've said that several times that he verbally and attacked you you said verbally and then you said that there's been some physical stuff that he kind of walked toward you yeah but you didn't tell us what he said you didn't tell us what he did to you physically why this was any different than anything else in the past he was he was verbally uh explain explaining himself to me that he was going to do stuff like what what was what was he going to do to you column and okay so he was going to ruin some stuff going to break some stuff is that right you going to break the column yeah okay I spent a lot of time working on that column yeah sounds like it yeah was it was your door shut when you were outside I mean how did how did this whole thing start today the arguing or the threatening on his attack I know but were you already outside or had you heard him sitting on my chair on my deck okay so you're sitting outside yeah okay yeah he comes out he comes down his steps is that right or was he already outside as well he was he's he's just being all kinds he's all over the place okay so you're sitting on your deck what were you doing just just uh sitting on my deck reading a book uh look at your phone just in my chair okay sitting in your chair yeah and so so Vince comes outside and you guys have exchange words yeah he kind of told me how the cow e the cabage that he's gonna do this he's gonna do that and just out of the blue yeah okay so then then what did you say well I stood up and walked over there I just leave me alone CU he's he's known to [ __ ] with my car so he's over by your car yeah he's going done okaye [ __ ] yep and then he attacking me okay attacking you verbally yeah okay and coming up on so he was on your deck at this point he's going to do this he's going to do that okay hold on a second he was on your deck yeah okay he come up she up the steps you how far apart are you guys at this point how far apart are you this far apart from from you to Deputy Chambers so 10 feet or so okay and then and then what is he telling you at this point so he's on your deck well he's he's having a what is he doing he's trying to get these people that other people with the meth thing he's doing that what's that mean the meth they're [ __ ] meth heads no I know but what's he going to do with these meth people yeah he's just he's he's working it he's working it he's got people coming people coming and going maybe so he's selling meth maybe out of his trailer oh God just to say the least okay God you'd have to be a you you guys know what's going on here so then then what happened way well you attacked me okay but how how do you how you attack he comes comes at me comes at you and does what he comes at me okay and does what how about if I come at you okay well I'm not going to shoot you tell me what happened Wayne help me understand what happened he attacked me okay how did he attack you come up he come down steps and he come up right steps okay and he's talking about the meth people he's threatening your column what else then what did he say how did he physically attack you you told me earlier he didn't he didn't hurt you he didn't touch you he just attacked me verbally verbally so is that is that right he's verbally attacked you he's pissed you off you go inside then at that point is he still on the deck or did he leave the deck he's he's he was on the he was on his steps on his step going to my column there okay so he's on your steps yeah so he's he's so you're inside the house at this point yeah son s Sandra's not there Sandra was there well she was there oh she went oh I know B she went to the food bank right to drop off a whole bunch of stuff that we to the food bank y she come back okay okay so you went in the house okay I know we I've repeated this several times you get the shotgun you load the shotgun cuz the shotgun is not loaded for the first time in my entire life have never loaded that shotgun before oh was that right okay okay so he's he's really pissed you off he's he's making some comments about the meth about the column yeah he's coming at me okay well we've established he didn't physically come at you he didn't physically hurt you correct he was trying in what way com he was coming he was coming up the steps he was well making all kind let me ask you a question Wayne why didn't you just shut the door and then call call the deputies out again why not why don't just do that because the last time I tried to call you guys you did nobody showed up well there's there's tons of recordings here where you guys where we have shown up in nobody showed up okay no you guys you guys don't show up when you're supposed to okay well might short-handed might well you very short you're but why not why not just do that why not just shut the door and and just let him do what he's got to do he attacked me I know I shot him but why didn't you just why didn't you just leave him out there just shut your door call 911 wait for Sandra to get home 911 call you guys yeah you're not going to be here you're not going to show up okay I'll tell you what you won't not you won't not there's a lot of times I called you guys and you just won't W show up you just don't show up so you didn't feel that the deputies would be there to to deal with this today or I mean I'm just wondering you've called this several times in the past but why not why not tonight so you what do you want to do with me well I want I want to understand Wayne I really I really want to understand I really want you to explain want to go to bed I I get it I probably exhausted y I'm tired yep up another time you guys were more than welcome to my house I I matter of fact I I that's very nice of you yeah matter of fact i' like to you guys because I very seld sh I kill somebody and I I have to deal with it myself it's in my head it's it's something that we did I've been in gunfights before but nothing like the guy attacked me and I attacked him back very simple okay you know I just I just like to go back to bed and just maybe pick it up tomorrow or whatever you guys want to do because I I'm very I'd rather get this done right now Wayne okay yeah came all the way in here we've been talking about it you kind of laying the groundwork but I want to ask you some pointed questions okay yeah and and I know I kind of touched on this earlier but he's he's pissed you off to the point where he's made these comments to your wife he's made comments to you deputies don't show up he's messed with your car you you'd had it with him you just wanted him dead that that's pretty accurate right no he he attacked us but you wanted him dead correct why it wasn't planning on it I know but you wanted him dead you wanted to kill him right Ian you told the deputies that you you you told us that right yeah you him right because he's an [ __ ] is that fair I mean he's attacking me okay but just own it I own it okay I killed him right why' you kill him because he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] he's attacking me he's attacking my wife he's attacking what would you do if somebody go goes attacking your your yeah put the shoe on the other foot sure what would you do no it's a good question right yeah yeah you want a gunfight I am a gunfighter I I going way back did you did you warn him did you tell him yes I told that you were going to get your gun no I didn't say no he was just attacking me but did you but did you never told him that you were going inside to get the gun no I never said anything like that no he was just attacking me he was coming on my deck he shot them was sitting right there the old I Johnson it's a beautiful piece I put a 12 gauge stainless steel in there for the first time that's what that's that's what happened he attacked me and I shot him but did you have let me ask you this did you have time to go in the house lock the door and call 911 did you have was did you have that option I know what you said about us not showing up I didn't call 911 I know because you guys don't show up no right I know but did you have that option could you have done that just shut the door I would wish I did I thought about it but you guys don't show up okay sorry would say that on vacation or something I know but he wasn't coming into your room he wasn't coming into your house huh he wasn't coming into your house he was coming up my steps I know okay and when you went inside to grab the shotgun you could have shut the door and just locked it correct yeah it's usually locked up and you could have done that today yeah yeah so what's what what do you think what do you think is appropriate I asked you that earlier what do you think well I've never killed anybody okay I've been in some gunfights I never killed anybody and he asked for it he was coming to me y I felt I felt I needed to defend myself that's what I did I defended myself that is what I did and my Sandra my wife were just assist us we're just own people don't you think you could have uh made an impression on him if you just grabbed the Shotgun by itself it no why not I mean why not well I'm just asking he was going on the attack going to show me how bad that he is okay okay don't you think if you went in and grabbed the shotgun maybe racked it that that would have uh that would have backed him off Scar the shotgun was just sitting by my it's it wasn't even it wasn't even there it wasn't even the shells how many how many times has this happened you you and him lots he said attack us if you had I know how if you if you could give us your best estimate over the last five years because we've been going out to or responding to call for five years okay how many how many incidents have there been where he's harassed you and attacked you like this today how many Lots but give me give me a number if you can you think where's my wife she'll tell you who said Lots it's been a lot it's it's just it's a sporadic 50 it's sporadic bunch of he attacks us 50 times yeah at least 50 times more at least at least 100 times if that are you guys did you ever see see his rap sheet yeah okay you know who he is yep okay that's what I've been putting up with yeah and I'm not supposed to take care of him the guy's attacking me mhm so what's the point well I don't know I'm just asking you I'm just I'm just curious yeah I'm curious what you would do what would I do if you were sitting on in our position what would you do your position yep yep what would you do you guys actually showed up yeah yeah what did you think I was supposed to do you finally showed up and the guy so what's Pro what you what's your problem no problem yeah no problem I just want to go to bed sleep and maybe you guys can come over tomorrow and talk to me because I need to be talked to I just need I need a counseling because it's a bad thing when you kill somebody do you have a therapist huh do you have a therapist uh when I I did I need to place like why some the guys that I know but come over we talk and talk about it because it's a very sensitive thing I feel I don't feel really good about King somebody you understand y you ever shot anybody you killed anybody how about you no okay then you don't know how I feel yeah I just wondering if I could just go to bed and talk about in morning I know I got you know I would like to talk to you guys because I I I don't feel good I I'm hurting all over the place so why why are you hurting why do you feel badly about this because I got vertigo and it's my hair everything hurts I know no I meant I meant um uh mentally why do you why do you feel bad because I I I I'm not really um I'm not prone to kill people right I've been in some gunfights yeah and I've always uh I've always did good and this guy attacked me okay and that's why so do you do you think you should go home or do you think there should be another uh another way to resolve this I don't know where what the resolve would be he attacked me and what would you do I asked you I know I'm being repetitive but what would you do Wayne what would I do yeah about what if if you were the police officer tonight you had you're investigating this incident yeah very concerned yeah if they if you know me like I know me and you understand that this guy who it was a gunfight and he was and that's why he's dead okay you guys understand that that's all it is did you you anticipated him attacking you you thought he was going to attack you yeah he's he's been you know it's just the way it is he's been like this for a long time you guys SE the whole sheet of him okay compound compound uh this what happened here he decided he's going to go attack me you guys get it yeah well that's what happened let's say there's let's say we one of your neighbors has a um a ring camera they probably do right yeah my neighbors yeah so we're going to probably see some video of this incident right there's a like likelihood we will right yeah okay one are you are you worried about that what are you worried about what the video is going to show not really a little bit but whatever it is I'm tired right like deal be more than willing to come come to the police station and you know I just I'm just tired my bir go is you you guys have had vertigo other words I can't hardly walk down steps then I tried to get up and it's just it's just one thing after another and I got this guy is supposed to come over uh work on our house MH and I have no idea where he's at you know $3,000 yeah I don't know just it's just I'd rather just go to bed for a while and get up in the morning and talk to you guys okay you know it'll be okay I just I'm not going to go anywhere I just want to relax a little bit I understand what happened and I don't feel good because I just the whole whole body doesn't feel good that's that's what I am I I have a trouble getting up yeah minute I have problems you know I'm an old man I'm s I'll be 77 coming up and I'm I'm the guy that could still you guys want to Du it out I'll show you something you well let me ask you you bring up a good point why not just duke it out with this guy today I tried to he does he He Keeps the Lights On why why I duke it out with him today why not why not just have it out with him not in the not in the driveway no that he attacked I know but you you've talked about how you can take care of yourself and oh yeah you can still kick some ass man yeah right but why not just do that today then it wasn't it he doesn't it wasn't available for him to come and me and him do out why not because he was on the attack okay but you're a big strong guy you what the [ __ ] I got to do with you guys this guy is a pain in the ass right right okay he attacked me he's dead so why not just go fight him why not go I no no no hold on now hold on you just sat here telling us about how well you fight and the things that you can do why not just March down your steps and go kick his ass no he won't let it happen he'll go around the block he'll get somebody else he'll get his friends he'll get his meth heads okay you know you guys have no clue why not you could have done that today Wayne you had that as an option so you think I I killed them just because I'm asking you why you didn't do that I'm not not asking about anything else about the gun I'm just asking why you just didn't go down there and take care of it today in the driveway he's made all these comments about your wife he deserves it he's got Tweakers coming over he's got he's got prostitutes coming over oh God I'm sorry why didn't you just go kick his ass I just want to go to bed for well I want you to answer me that way what just go beat him up yeah no I I don't know he attacked me no no no I know he attacked you but why not when he's attacking you why not just hit him that was an option right he's dead I know yeah I killed him I know he deserved to die okay okay okay can I go I is that is that the bottom line Wayne is that what it comes down to he deserved to die because he's an [ __ ] he just he attacked he attacked me but you could have you could have hit him you could have fought him yeah I guess you could have right no I come on you've been sitting there talking about this for over an hour yeah about how you can still kick ass well it's just the way it is right yeah okay so why not why not do that today today yeah I should have just beat him up yeah no CU he was attacking me it was don't beat it up he was attacking ATT you don't [ __ ] get it do you I don't I don't well you come on he was attacking me like he was going to go for my car go go he he's on the attack yeah the guy got shot he's dead okay now you get it I get it all right God what you guys think or what just ask me some questions Wayne oh ask me the questions you want I I did I'm not you still haven't told me why you didn't just go kick his ass you've been sitting there talking about how what a bad ass you are I am a badass right want to see a badass I see it oh man I see it come on come on step outside you no you can handle yourself pretty well Wayne yeah I'm a badass right yeah I'll break some Jaws okay then why not break his jaw today I it wasn't he was attacking me so I shot him okay don't you guys you guys don't seem to get the [ __ ] problem this guy is attacking me yep okay he pissed you off right pissed me off yeah he's attacking okay he's attacking verbally he's yelling at you he's screaming at you yeah so what right you should have walked down there and hit him in the mouth right no no why not he wanted to shoot me okay is that what he told you he was gonna shoot you you guys weren't there okay you're you think I just arbitrarily shot this son guy no you think I just arbitrarily shot this son of a [ __ ] well explain it to me then explain it to Deputy Chambers because he was Deputy how are you doing the guy was attacking me okay to to the point where I do you think I he was attacking me to the point where I shot him you had a chance to physically take care of it tonight yeah because you're a big strong 76y old man you could have gone down down there you could have kicked his ass he chose not to I I don't know it's just as bad you you you'd had it up to he with them right yeah well he attacked me no no no he didn't he didn't attack you yes he did he didn't attack you because you haven't explained it in an hour and a half how he attacked you Wayne what do you want to do I want you to tell us why you didn't go down there and just kick his ass he's been har harassing you for 5 years you've had to put up with this [ __ ] from this guy dealing with your car taking the air out of the tires harassing your wife making sexual comments to your wife so how do you feel about him yeah I don't know I don't know the man I don't think it's a good thing that he's dead well he's dead yeah yeah I killed him yeah you did yeah so yeah he attacked me okay but you still don't explain you're still not explaining why you didn't just physically walk down there and take care of it because you told us that you have that ability to do that why you didn't do that tonight you walked into the house you made the decision to take the time apart load the shotgun walk out on your deck and shoot him while he stood at your car yeah shock that's what you told us well he was attacking me attacking you verbally yeah sounds like he physically no he wasn't come on oh come on what do you mean come on he was attacking me physically attacking me he was cominging know that's not what the video's going to show huh just you had it with this guy you off I've had it with I've had it with you guys come on it's got to be a you know what you going to do throw me in jail some more just let me go and I'll get i'll get back you guys I need to talk to you guys but I need some sleep too I am really pissed off at the whole plan I'm going to talk to Deputy Chambers for just a minute okay okay just excuse us for just a second okay okay