okay
she says that she can only drink water
are you worried about her
no no you could say you can talk to her
she seems like a really sweet girl 22 or
something has a lot of anxiety and
from what she's claiming she's the
full-on aggressor here
i'd love to go talk to the independent
witnesses and maybe that's what i'll go
do
yeah there's a couple waters here's this
bag because you might need that for
someone else
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you want another
ring
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so uh i was saying let's just go from
walking through trying to get these
bracelets
back back up and then that's what she's
getting and i i didn't think him i don't
want to pursue it i didn't give it i
didn't get the baby physically i'm just
trying to keep her away
what happened after that look up
okay
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oh
so
hi police how are you
hey we got this van stopped and we're
we've separated the male and the female
and we got both of their stories
now that we're not looking for them so
intensely i just wonder if you had a
minute just kind of repeat to me what it
is exactly you saw
no problem story yeah so
i would talk to my friend
uh you're the forest service building
and i just noticed that this couple
uh was sort of arguing a bit and
you know i wasn't staring at them but it
didn't catch my attention and what i
noticed
it seemed like they were sort of
squabbling over a phone
i want to say that he was trying to grab
her phone
and i'm not sure exactly why
and then it seems like uh he had sort of
locked the one side of the van and sort
of wasn't letting her in
and then the male was stepping into the
driver's seat
and she was trying to get into the band
i think she said something about why you
being so mean something like that and
i i remember he sort of hit him
a few times and it wasn't like slugs in
the face which is kind of like
like kind of like two kids kind of
fighting
they reminded me of very secure i don't
know
children sort of fighting um but there
seemed like something was awesome like a
weird vibe
and um yeah eventually it's like you
know she crawled into the driver's seat
sort of like got into the vehicle over
his lap um
sort of forces her way in i guess
and then
they were in the car and they just drove
away so um i wasn't sure what the nature
of the argument was or
what it just seemed like there was some
sort of disagreement and
some sort of like shutting i don't know
why she would have entered through the
driver's store i thought that was great
and
and yeah so i thought about calling it
in but i as soon as i walked into this
bar there was another gentleman who was
already calling it in so i was like oh
good on you
get it off
in that situation but that's what i saw
and there's
did you ever see the male strike the
female
i
um
i would say that
i think i saw maybe a push or a shove
but not like a full-on
punch to the face or anything was the
shove like in
was the shove or push an aggression
towards her or was it a
defensive maneuver away from her or to
get her away from him
that's it that's a good question it was
unclear what was going on to me uh but
it did seem like he was
um
i it was
like he was trying to close off the
passenger side of the vehicle and close
things up it almost seemed like he put
that backpack or something on the back
of the vehicle i'm not sure and then he
was stepping in and he was out trying to
get in
okay
i i don't it was the whole thing was
often and so no i didn't see anything
that was like
him taking after her or hitting her or
vice versa there was a very they were it
was kind of light and they were almost
kind of laughing and i wasn't sure if
they were just joking around to be
honest but then it got more strange as
the vehicle about to drive off
but you you did see her slapping him
though it sounds like
yeah but but yeah it was like
my memory is he was in the driver's seat
and she had the driver's door open and
she's like kind of hitting him either in
the arm or maybe on the stage maybe with
an open hand like hey let me in let me
and don't be
well you know your story is really
really helpful because you're an
independent witness and we've just
interviewed both of them
and what you're saying is making
everything make a lot of sense so i
really appreciate that i ran into you
and i was able to get your number and
talk to you so thank you very much um
if uh if if we need to
ask
for a written statement obviously it's
voluntary it's helpful but at this point
i don't know if we need to go that far
unless you're around and super willing
at this moment i can meet you get to
stay here i know i live
here totally willing to do that oh nice
okay maybe i'll just go
yeah i can go write it down now before
memories fade because like i said i was
kind of just casually observing but
something hits you off and
we're just
where can we
find you to give you a form real quick
about 10-15 minutes
okay cool thank you
appreciate it
hey robin
so i just got phone with one of those
two witnesses and i recorded it you want
me to tell you what he said
real quick do you mind hanging with him
for a minute
so
i think we'll get away from both of them
so uh
he said
that he never saw the male strike the
female we saw
the male trying to lock her out of the
vehicle she even told us that he was
trying to walk her out told her to go
take a walk
because she was trying to get in she
eventually couldn't get in and actually
clawed her way in through the driver's
door he said i don't understand why
she's doing that well i think it's the
only door that wasn't locked that she
can get
she's trying to get it over here he's
trying to disengage from her i guess he
hung her backpack on the back probably
so she'd have her so that he didn't
have to engage with her
everything she's saying is
same thing i haven't heard what he said
but if that's what he said it's also
what the witness is saying the woman
says i never saw him hit her i saw him
shove her but i couldn't tell if it was
an aggression against her or a defense
against her as far as her
you know
being the aggressor
so at this point from what unless the
guy is screaming that he needs to go to
jail and did something to those girls
she
is the primary aggressor yeah now the
problem with her being the primary
aggressor
is in an incidence of domestic assault
being a male or being a female
we shall rest now
it doesn't necessarily mean they have to
go to jail we can do a citation if it
meets one of three criterion which one
of them is that we can ensure that
they're
not going to
further risk each other's safety but the
problem with that is they live in the
same vehicle that's what i was going to
say the other part of it there was
actually been injury too to the victim
which is him right and i'm getting
confusing stories about why they hit the
curb up here
what'd he say why he hit the curb well
i've watched this is what i saw
saw him cross the double yellow i was
doing 42 miles an hour
i was i don't know probably two car
lengths behind him
tapping my whales at him trying to get
his attention they knew i was behind him
and then after he crossed the double
yellow emerged over into the right lane
and then i don't know where his phone
went
so did he tell you why he said that she
grabbed the wheel and turned it real
hard she said that she was hitting him
in the arm
so sounds legit i mean
i'm sure if i'm driving and my arms on
the wheel and i'm getting hit in the arm
i'm probably
pulling out the wheel yeah and i'm sure
it was a little both i'm usually the
truth of somewhere in between he's
probably trying not to
say that he hit her because he probably
doesn't want her charged with assault
domestic assault he probably would
rather say she pulled the wheel then hit
him yeah you know what i mean
so
unfortunately for her
she
we cannot just because he's bigger and
stronger even if he's not willing to
press charges we can't treat this
differently than if it was a male on
female violence yeah and we're going to
have to charge her and
we can do a citation if there's some
arrangement that can be made to separate
them and then we have to let them know
that there's no contact order in effect
and then we have to let him know the
only way to drop is going to the police
department during business hours and
fill out a waiver which by the way
what's today thursday
so it won't be till tomorrow
and only there until noon i think
which i'm sure he's gonna want to drop
it
well the other part of it is they said
before
they've been on four or five months that
they've been moving out
well this is really bad news let's talk
to him first
his name's brian
unfortunately in the state of utah
we don't have discretion on some things
like for example if i pull you over for
speeding and i want to give you a
warning i can do that because it's under
a class a it's a class b or under if i
want to give you warnings for all kinds
of stuff i can but there's a few things
i can't like when i say i the police i'm
not in charge
one of the things that the state
legislature doesn't give us discretion
on is charges when it comes to a
domestic assault
and it sounds like you guys are living
together
so you meet the statute for domestic
partners
and you do have injury
and both an independent witness probably
the next one we're going to talk to as
well which we haven't talked to yet but
the one we did talk to
and your own
companion
have made it clear that she was the
primary aggressor
and that she was striking you and you
received injuries
you haven't admitted to striking her she
has not admitted you striking her the
witness did not see you strike her
so at this point you're the victim of a
domestic assault even if you
even if you didn't want to pursue this
we don't have a choice the best thing we
could do to not
the loss that we have to charge her
doesn't say we have to put her in jail
okay but it also says we have to
separate do a no contact order
and then we have to put her in jail if
we cannot separate
and there's a little problem here you
guys are out of florida living in the
band together how are we supposed to
separate you guys
yeah i don't want to take this small 20
what is she yes 22 years 23 year olds
you can definitely defend yourself
against but at the same time we can't
say because you're a male and she's a
female we can't treat this different
than if you were the male hitting her
we gotta treat you the same
so she's kind of in a tough spot so
unless you have an idea about how she
cannot go to jail and be separated you
have friends in town
somewhere she can stay tomorrow if you
want to it's up to you you can go to
jail
you can't because we don't have a charge
for you
now tomorrow
if you wanted to be with her again
tomorrow i'm gonna take your radio
if you wanted to if you want to be with
her again tomorrow
because it's after five's her office is
closed you can go to the police
department fill out a waiver to drop the
no contact order so you guys can still
be together but she's gonna have a court
date online
in a week or two she's gonna have to
show up for her court date online and
answer the prosecutor might drop it so
they might say you're if you for example
if you're not willing to pursue it if
that's your decision
it did anybody say it definitely is i'm
not gonna pursue anything as much as my
friends say i love her it's just a
little squabble i'm sorry that i had to
get so public um
but uh
so i just want to get like the checklist
of things we got to do to get rid of it
so you want her back
well she'll get a paper with a court
date how do i get rid of it
well the court date has to be attended
in order for them to decide whether they
need to continue or drop it the first is
just an initial appearance to say are
you who we think you are yes here's the
do you understand the charge that's been
brought against you yes or no yes or no
the answer
uh do you have an attorney yes or no do
you need one
and then from there she can she can
ask to speak to the prosecutor
the prosecutor might be contacting you
and say hey man like i know she's 110
pounds soaking wet and you're a big
strong guy and we understand you're not
even wanting to pursue this but the cops
have to follow the statue how like what
where in the interest of you of justice
for you the victim what do you think and
they can decide to still prosecute her
or they could decide to drop it or they
can decide to give her a plea and make
it kind of go away if she behaves from
now on but that still does not eliminate
the first court appearance
that she has to attend which thankfully
for you guys is going to be online so
you don't have to worry so if you're out
of town
here's the thing if you're out of town
and she doesn't come into our court
appearance online they can suspend her
driver's license they can issue a
warrant for her so she needs to play
ball and yeah yeah does that make sense
yeah and we're a team me and her team
i'm sorry about all this holidays again
but so she's got her online court date
just to
acknowledge she's hurt and then she's
got the one for the
well there's automatically right now
there's something called a no contact
order in place yeah this point forward
until tomorrow if you wish to drop it
you have to go into the 217 east center
street mob city police department
and you have to ask we'll give it to you
you want to fill out a waiver that
you're requesting a wave a waving of the
contact or the no contact order the no
contact order means she cannot
come into contact with you she cannot
talk to you she cannot text you she
cannot go onto any premises that you're
occupying she cannot go to your vehicle
and until you drop that or until court
date if you don't drop it it stays in
effect until midnight on the day of
court
and then that gives you time to get a
protection protective order a long-term
one if you feel like you need one but it
sounds like you don't even want this one
so tomorrow they open at eight you can
go in the police department you can fill
out the waiver they can remove it then
you can say hey babe where you at let me
pick you up
and you can pick her up now we're hoping
not to put her in jail but if she
doesn't have somewhere to go tonight
to be separate from you then where are
we supposed to talk to her now because
it's separation
so tell me this
do you guys have enough money for like a
hotel room or anything like that because
what we could do
is excite her for this and then i'd give
her a ride a little bit
if you
unless you know someone else in town
that's a friend that she can stay with
yeah
you know unfortunately not i don't and i
guess that
man i sure hate to
i don't want her to go to jail
will it be if she goes to jail it's like
that that goes down somewhere instead of
we're going to tell right if you get a
citation it would be
it it kind of depends so if she goes to
jail they're going to book her and
they'll take her fingerprints it's going
to go under criminal history and then if
they
if if they don't convict her then it
will just show that it was dismissed on
her it will show up in a criminal
history but the charge was dismissed if
she is found guilty it will show up if
she was guilty of a domestic assault but
the charge would the charge itself will
show up on her criminal history until
she gets it expunged
now even if we give her a ticket
we're still going to take a fingerprint
and it's still going to show up either
way it's still going to show up
there's no way around a class a or is
this class b this is class b but they do
require fingerprint on it yeah okay so
the other part is if you contact her or
she contacts you she could be charged
with a classmate well which is a little
bit different but it doesn't feel the
same if you were to contact her and she
responds to you then she could get a new
charge for violating no contact
no contact order doesn't restrict you it
restricts her so if you go talk to her
and we find out and you're not in
trouble she'll be in trouble so it's in
your interest too
does that all make sense no i'm getting
it it's a lot really quick yeah i'm just
trying to figure out a way
you don't know anyone in town you guys
been here how long no i don't know
anywhere in town if she went
she could i wonder i don't think ck will
take her she's the aggressor
no it is a women's shelter i'm curious
you can find out hey she doesn't know
where to go if you did a citation she
like say she drove off and she could
drive off in this car we could give you
a ride somewhere
yeah
i got my backpack sucks for you but you
get a backpack you can spend a night you
want to drive me to delicate art does
she have a good driver's license and
he's using her yeah she's here you trust
her with your vehicle yeah she could
handle it well then you'd kind of be
homeless for the night
man i can't talk to her at all
and i've got to do the thing so i can't
go camping we can tell her what it is
that she needs to do to getting to get
through all this and then let her know
what your plan is here's the problem
though if we take you up to delicate
arch you're going to be hooking it from
delicate arch
all the way down to moab center street
so you can get out that paperwork
because if you're not there by noon
tomorrow
tomorrow because it's uh early on
fridays over the office
you'd be looking at monday morning
before you could actually see her again
and again we're not trying to make your
life hard but this is written in statute
there's nothing we can do about it it's
designed to protect victims of domestic
assault not everybody's the same this is
different than normal but we have to
treat everything the same and that's
just how it is
do you think they can't afford a hotel
no all right
very little money we have for sure i'll
tell you expensive here now you want me
to i'll call ck man
we'll take it for the night i'll see if
they'll if they'll take you there
and they will help you tomorrow and
you're like a block and a half away from
the pd let's see if seacame will take
him because they took they actually put
up actually they didn't take a guy but
they got a hotel for a guy last time
yeah i'll do that see kevin might get
you a hotel
now what she does i might be sleeping
outside in a sleeping bag no no no no i
don't know
i think so
i think she can get you a hotel
if you want her to have the van we don't
care it's up to you but
there's nothing to do about the rest i
don't want to open it i'm just trying to
think i gotta grab my
i'm gonna make it
you sweating to death yet i think we're
good you good i'm going to talk
to you real quick but i've been talking
so much i got to get some water i'll be
right back
now this is the water
it's cold water
hell yeah
okay gabby when you grow up
and you're a full-grown man
this is what you'll drink from
plus it's ice cold and so i'm going to
drink from it sorry
you'll probably never be a pogo now
then you can hear your curls so
look
i'm going to speak to you frankly i have
a daughter almost your age
and i'm looking at you not so much like
a suspect
but also it's kind of a victim in the
sense that
you're dealing with
some struggles emotionally and mentally
at your age
probably they'll work themselves out as
you get older there's a lot of angst at
your age and i remember being your age
too
and hopefully it works itself out
but
the stuff you did today
that contributed to this because you
both contributed to this
uh is as a result of your inability to
cope with the anxiety and the stress
that you're having so in a way you're
kind of a victim of this
i think you would have done better if
you had the skills to do better
but you don't learn skills until you
learn skills and you're not
you don't have enough life experience
yet to know how to navigate everything
like i don't either but i can navigate
what happened if i was in your shoes i
could handle it different because i'm 39
years old i've been through it
but i've got a lot of life lessons to
learn still because i'm
like my dad my grandpa's you know they
know stuff i don't know right they can
do survival now so in a way i'm just
letting you know that we sympathize with
you but
based on what you've said and basically
our victor witnesses said
and even based on what your fiance has
mentioned
trying his very hardest not to have you
in any trouble
he does have marks on him
that witnesses say were caused by you
slapping him
and that even you say you slapped him
and we're addressing him first
and i don't have anyone saying that he
actually punched you aggressively it
sounds like it was shoving
in a manner that was probably more
consistent with trying to prevent you
from entering the van or to get space
from you
not to
assail you if that makes sense
so
if the tables were turned and he was
beating on you and you were shoving him
of course we're going to look at it like
oh of course she's defending herself to
get away from this guy but we're kind of
looking at the same way with him and we
have to treat both fair even if he's a
bigger
male and you're a smaller female
the law doesn't say hey officer pratt
and also robbins you can treat people
different based on gender under the same
so we can't
even if it makes no sense that you could
you probably could not
physically destroy this man the way that
he could if he attacked you we can't
treat you differently okay
so all that long-windedness i'm giving
you right now is leading up to the fact
that
if i pull someone over for speeding i
have the right to give them a warning i
have something
called officer discretion
but in in the legislature in utah they
have made a law that if we have a
domestic assault they don't trust the
police to make good decisions
because too many cops have made bad
decisions so they say we're not going to
give you discretion we're going to write
a law that says if you have a domestic
assault whether it's male and female or
female on male
whoever the primary aggressor is has to
be
charged
no choice you don't get to give them a
warning it doesn't matter if they barely
hurt at all and the guy doesn't want to
press charges or the girl doesn't want
to press charges we don't have a choice
we literally have no choice he does not
want to press charges he says you guys
are a team he says you're his fiancee he
says he loves you he says he he doesn't
want anything to happen
but we are explaining him that we don't
have any choice in this
so
we're going to have
we're trying to get a local
victims advocacy group called seat haven
to get him a hotel for the night
so you can have the van because they
won't give you the hotel because you're
the you're the one who is the primary
aggressor
so they're going to consider him the
victim so they're going to get him a
hotel though so he wants you so that you
don't have to go to jail because the
only thing we can do is take one to take
you to jail
he says well so she doesn't have to go
to jail then i will accept seekhaven's
help if they'll give me a hotel and then
she can have the ban so she doesn't have
to go to jail she just have a ticket
when you get the ticket it's going to
give you a phone number to call and
they're going to give you a court date
and that court date will probably be
online
no it'll be online
you have a smartphone
yeah so you can i got a court you're
okay
when covet happened
they switched all the court from in
person to online
so when i go to court now i have a
ticket for hitting the curb earn
something please because we're okay like
where did this i understand but we don't
have we don't have any like listen if i
had any discretion of this i would
separate you guys from the day and just
give you warnings to stop hitting each
other
but i lawfully don't have discretion
here
i i don't have anything because somebody
said something like a witness
there's two witnesses
and then there's what you said when he
said and guess what it all matches
nicely
that you were the primary aggressor
and that the injuries he has were caused
by your aggression towards him even if
he doesn't feel hurt even if he doesn't
want to press charges there's nothing
any cop can do about it it's written
into the
law normally we take people to jail but
he's trying to work it so you can just
have the van
tomorrow
i don't want to be separated
you can have anxiety yeah yeah nowhere
please
there's noah
the very best thing i can do is call my
supervisor and see if i'm missing
something here
i'll pay any driving ticket a parking
ticket anything daddy
try to calm down and i'm gonna go call a
supervisor
but i don't think that there's much i
can do but let me see if the supervisor
can tell me something i'm missing to
make this not just
just give me a minute okay you don't
have to sit outside unless you want
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uh
hey so
a tiny little girl 22 years old
slapped
her boyfriend her fiance several times
he's got a little bit of a
little tiny abrasion on his
on his chin on his jaw
they got into a van and drove off he got
called in by two different well there's
one caller and then a witness
got them
stopped the story from the witnesses
matches the story from the female
matches the story to the male
she was pissed off she's having a rough
day he tries to separate from her she's
not staying away from him she has severe
anxiety
problems he locks her out of the van
says you need to go for a walk and cool
off
she's forcing her way into the van she's
clawing your way past him into the van
to be with him
he's shoving her to get her out of the
van but he's not assaulting her or he's
not assailing her he's trying to keep
her out she's punching slapping
everything
she's got to be 105 pounds soaking wet
22
full of anxiety having a really tough
time
not making excuses but i mean it is
written in the code we do have a
domestic assault here
he's not wanting to pursue it he's very
adamant he does not want to pursue it
we're explaining we don't have we don't
have any discretion on these things
we're giving them a no contact we're
letting see cave and see if they can get
him a hotel so she can have the van so
that we don't have to put her in jail
um
she's she's really struggling with the
idea of being alone and not with him and
not having the van they want to be
together
i told her look there's not anything i
can do this is all written into freaking
statute
she's
i just said the last thing i can do is
call a supervisor and see if where this
is such a minor
there's like a slap fight and there's
the injury is from a fingernail i just
don't know if it's worth the whole
domestic thing or not or if it's going
to get some trouble if we don't do it
this way
well they don't want to but i told them
that unless i get some kind of
permission some other way i'm pretty
sure this is just statute and we have to
separate you
as far as the domestic assault charge
what do you think about that
well i mean
do the whole thing
but is there a way to not do anything on
something like this i mean it's so minor
it's hard to say right
i'm gonna go re-read the statute
and just see if if it fits or if there's
a way it doesn't fit and if i can
find a way that because it really is
this
the spirit of the law is being lost on
this one it really is
so let me see what i can find and if
nothing else
separate them whether she likes or not
all right thanks
thanks
bottom injury physical pain
illness or any impairment or physical
condition
so let's see
he's not ill he doesn't have an
impairment or physical condition
and
if he's not in pain
like how okay
how far do you want to go with this like
you know why the domestic assault code
is there it's there to protect people
especially the reason why they don't
give us discretion on these things is
because too many times women who are at
risk
want to go back to their abuser they
just wanted him to stop and they don't
want to have to be separated they don't
want him charged they don't want to go
to jail and then they end up getting
worse and worse
treatment and then they end up getting
killed
in no way shape or form that i can
perceive
does what happened here a little slap
fight between
fiancees who love each other want to be
together
can i perceive that this is going to
digress into the situation where he's
going to be a badder man
right but then again i don't have a
crystal ball
so i was looking at the i talked to the
assistant chief to see if there's any
way to
just
go less than what we
than the full
force
domestic assault route right
and he says look i mean
you either go all the way or you don't
and it's like okay but under what
circumstances can i not and really the
only time i cannot is if it doesn't fit
if it fits then it's in the law then you
have to do it
so i went and i looked at
the code for assault because this is an
assault enhancement domestic assault
utah code
assault now you and i both know what it
is but think of how valuable it is
to look it up and read it word for word
especially when what you're doing is
going to get evaluated by
a court
who cares a lot about words
words are there for reason
assault is an attempt with unlawful
force or violence to do bodily injury to
another so did she
did she attempt to do bodily injury to
him she went to smack him
did was her was it was it her intention
to do him bodily injury
now that's what we have to find out
because it says bodily injury is
that by definition physical pain
illness or any impairment of physical
condition
well he's got a swollen
right eye i don't care what the result
was we care about the intent so we got
to go find a tent
if
she did not intend
to cause him pain or illness or
to cause him
impairment of physical condition was it
intent and attempt or intent or attack
when you're attempting to do something
it's you have to intend to do it
if i intend if i attempt to to get a
basketball through a hoop
i have to intend
to do it intent is implicit with attempt
all right okay so
what was her intent what was her
intention
if you go ask her what was your
intention when you were slapping him
and she says i wanted him to hurt or be
ill or impair his physical condition
then there's nothing we can do
one way to word it might be hey when you
slapped him were you intending to cause
him
physical
pain
and let's get let's get rid of the
illness because that has nothing to do
with it physical pain or impairment of
his physical condition is that your
intention is that what you were
attempting to do
that's what it says right here an
attempt right
were you attempting to cause him pain or
an impairment of physical condition
whatever she answers to that question
will seal her fate
because the only way you know her attack
what she was attempting to do is by
asking her right
this is a very very important question
how you answer this question is going to
determine what happens next
but the only person who can answer this
question is you
think very hard before you answer the
question do not quickly answer it think
very hard
when you
slapped him those times
were you attempting to cause him
physical pain or physical impairment was
that what you were attempting to do to
him
what were you what were you attempting
to do
what was the reason behind the slapping
and stuff
what was what was it you were attempting
to accomplish
by slapping
the enemy
well it doesn't sound to me like she
attempted to injure
it's your call
this is 100 your golf i support you
either way
he said that she was striking him and
then
he said she was and that's what caused
him to get to her
she said that she grabbed her i might
have to steal myself probably no she
said that too but she started just
distracting him by hitting him
and that he probably looked at her and
that's why the mark is on the
window side and she said it was her
fault that he saw her because she was
distracting him by hitting him
but she said she didn't try to hurt him
it wasn't malicious she thought that he
wasn't listening to her
so assault is an attempt with unlawful
force or violence to do body injury to
another the code for bodily injury the
definition says
bodily injury is infliction of pain or
physical impairment or illness
so you can go
this now i'm just gonna i'm gonna be i'm
recording and the society of the judges
and everyone can judge me for this i am
looking at a 110 pound female and her
fiance who have no means to be separated
he doesn't want to pursue it she's not a
threat to him more than slight abrasions
from her fingernails
i
i don't care if if we use the actual
letter of the law to
to not charge but i also don't care
because it literally does possibly make
perfect sense to go
full on domestic assault and do the
whole thing
this is uh your opportunity to make the
decision let's just do this i support
you either way let's do this
taking your advice
let me do
a crime report on this
won't charge right now insider for it
right now
we'll send it off to the county attorney
city attorney
send it off to the city attorney let
them screen it and make this happen if
you send it to the city attorney and
they strongly disagree with your
decision
and they throw a complete fit
you might hear about it in a very
negative way right
so i would make a decision yourself
i'd rather be dinged for the decision i
made than a decision
especially if they think you're
completely negligent in your decision
that's why give it to them
the only way the reason to give it to
them is if you're not sure
if you have enough for something and you
want them to decide if they have enough
so i i support you i'm not joking if we
need to go all the way to jail
for whatever we need to do all the way
down to
your hair
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i better go on that
you got this i'm making this decision
i'm going to sight them i'm going to go
through the first would you feel more
comfortable handling that guy
yeah don't hide a lot guys
if you're more comfortable well
i'm it's six one way half dozen yeah
it's up to you i mean it's a headache
whether i go left or it's a headache
right another option is to not charge
them but separated for the night
if they find themselves together again
what is it to you you separated them you
provided for your safety he doesn't have
enough sense to stay away and you got
him separated it's on him
you can separate him and say don't
don't let this go off till tomorrow
if
if they don't let it go off and we hear
about it
we'll hear about it they're camping in
the park tonight they'll let you know
and if there's some fighting going on
you already was mr nice guy you already
gave him a chance
what you can't do by law is separating
someone and say if we hear from you
again we're gonna arrest one of you
because then if one of them really needs
help they may not call police and get
help the law says you cannot literally
you may not say
we get more problems with you guys
tonight one of you is going to you can't
threaten him like that it's true because
it will stop saying if you want to call
the police to get help that makes sense
all right so
go full
or
nothing or in between and separate them
and kind of give them the nod the wink
like hey you know just stay in separate
it's up to you i'm gonna go handle that
you got very capable help with you here
and i trust you
all right
call me if you have any problems
that's ott i'll separate i'll be in
route to that it talks good enough
i just want to say thank you guys for
helping us
appreciate you
you too
so
uh-huh