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please don't take ammo with you if
you're going to Turks Turks and Kos
kikos however you say it don't take any
ammo with you there on the plane always
always a always a strange thing to do
all right so the first case that we're
going to talk about and you know if this
isn't the way that I normally start
these types of of shows is talking about
a police officer involved with the dog
but you know like it or not one of the
most viral or most interested cases that
people around the country are talking
about is is a is a case involving Teddy
the Dog in Sturgeon Missouri so I'm
going to go through it and again a lot
of the times when police officers make
don't do the correct thing or make make
mistakes I'm going to go ahead and call
it out and that's exactly what this
entire case is about so please put in
the comments if you have any different
opinions on me on this case but let's
talk about Teddy the Dog in Sturgeon
Missouri so this happened a couple weeks
ago in in a small town in in Missouri
and it involved a 13lb dog a 13 lb blind
and deaf Shih Tzu named Teddy so so
exactly the exactly what happened in
this case is exactly what what happened
in this case is that essentially the
owner of the of of Teddy was um at
dinner and he got a call that his you
know 13lb Shih Tzu Teddy the Dog you
know had gotten out from the yard now of
course the first first question you know
besides me asking you know why isn't you
know the hash Teddy lives matter why
that's not trending but the first
question I have to ask is is listen how
is a blind and deaf 13lb dog getting out
of an an enclosure U it just doesn't
seem like it'd be real hard to keep one
of those dogs penned in but you know
that's that's besides the point so so
the owner is at dinner you know he gets
a call that the dog got out and
essentially it seems like you know it
was a female neighbor who saw that Teddy
was out kind of Milling around over by
her over by her her house and you one of
the strange things is is you know she
involves she involves police so she
calls 911 dispatch or the or the
non-emergency dispatch which is again
kind of strange because you know the dog
isn't hurting anybody it's small it
doesn't even know where it is so so but
anyways maybe the woman was just trying
to get a help or call animal control but
one way or another there appears to not
be any animal control in this area or
there were no animal control on duty so
they dispatched a police officer to this
call and you know that isn't that that's
strange you know in the city that I I
used to work in before I uh retired is
you know sometimes you know animal calls
you know police officers would actually
be the first ones to go to calls
involving animals because you know
there's more police officers sometimes
there may only be a few Animal Control
Officers for an entire city so maybe
they aren't available or you know police
officers might be able to go there first
um uh you know because it's possible
that the few um Animal Control Officers
are are you know already there or
they're at their girlfriend's house or
something like that so it's it's not
unnormal or strange for police officers
to be the first one's dispatched so an
officer is dispatched and and he gets
there and you know he finds Teddy the
Dog it's kind of like an area where
there's like some grass looks it's not
it's not a park but looks like it's it's
it's some open space and he's walking
behind Teddy and he has one of those
poles with like the the loop around it
and it seems like you know he's trying
to you know capture Teddy that seems
like what he's trying to do but if you
watch the body camera video he actually
only Walks Behind Teddy for about a
minute so just over a minute he's
walking he's walking behind Teddy and
you could hear the officer he's
breathing really heavy and you know it's
it's weird it's almost like a soundtrack
like the officer's heavy breathing is
like a soundtrack in this movie it's
really really a strange thing but he's
laboring and he's walking behind Teddy
the Dog and you could tell again it's a
13lb shih tzu that's blind and deaf it's
not a threat it's not acting strange
it's kind of just walking around and
smelling things and that's really all
it's doing well for some reason after
about a minute and and it doesn't make
it doesn't make any sense at all it's
almost like a scene from a horror movie
where you show like hey like this is
what the serial killer did like on his
way to killing a bunch of people it's
really strange he takes out his gun and
he shoots Teddy twice again it's nuts he
shoots Teddy twice he kills him as he's
walking back to the car he says that he
had to dispatch the dog that's what he
says over the radio then he goes and he
gets this crazy like dead dog bucket
that he already has in his car for you
know when he has to deal with dead dogs
he kills and he brings it back to where
Teddy was he puts Teddy in the in the in
the bucket or the basket and then he
walks away you know and there's a woman
who's I don't know if it was the caller
or not but she kind of questions the
officer like hey like why are you
shooting this thing like what's going on
and you know he basically says that he
had to do it it doesn't make any sense
well you know by the time the officer
gets to to the substation the owner of
the dog he actually gets to the
substation just about the same time and
the owner and the police officer
actually have a conversation and you
know the owner uh he's a lot more
reasonable and calm than I think a lot
of people would be in a situation like
that and the owner is basically asking
pretty normal and reasonable questions
asking questions such as like you know
like did you feel in fear like why did
you shoot the dog and you know the
officer you know here's what his
explanation is the officer says you know
well I was sent to this call and the dog
was walking around I didn't know who the
owner was I didn't see a caller and I
wasn't sure what it was doing I didn't
want it to run out in a street and get
hit by a car so I shot it like I'm not
exaggerating that's what he says and the
the O the owner of the dog you know asks
a pretty you know pointed question he
says you know did you feel in fear like
was the dog threatening you and the
officer kind of like CU it's obviously
it's a 13lb dog that doesn't know where
where it is so the officer kind of takes
offense that and he goes did I say I
felt in fear essentially answering that
question by no of course I didn't feel
in fear well again it again this doesn't
make any sense so I don't know what the
officer was thinking maybe because it's
Sturgeon Missouri which is a small town
which none of their stuff goes viral but
this actually went viral um this
actually went viral um and it went it
went crazy which is a good thing because
you know stories like this should be
covered so you know the city of sturgeon
the way that they communicate with
people so a lot of different cities they
communicate with people over X well the
city of sturgeon is living in like 2003
so they decide to communicate with
people over Facebook so you know what
they do um so if we look at what
sturgeon so sturgeon is in Boon County
Missouri and uh uh the population was uh
933 as of a couple years ago so it's a
small town There's not even there's not
even a thousand people there right so
you know none of this stuff goes viral I
don't know if these officers think that
they can just do whatever they want and
get away with it but um they learned the
lesson here and so did the city of
sturgeon you know this is pretty much a
so really what happened here is
basically a a test case is basically a
lesson for small towns of what not to do
because what the city of sturgeon did
within you know a couple days of this
happened and you know um it it started
to kind of go viral the city the
official Facebook page of the city of
sturgeon you know essentially went on to
say that the officer did the right thing
in fact what they say is that the
officer acted within his authority said
that here's what they said on the
Facebook page that the officer was in
fear for his safety and also that the
officer thought that the dog had rabies
because it was kind of wandering around
that the officer thought that the dog
had rabies so that the officer acted
within his authority and had to shoot
the dog which is absolutely insane uh no
one is going to buy that so what ended
up happening was is after that after
that then the the mayor resigned and the
City of Jeremiah Osborne lies I I agree
100% smoked to paprika thank you so much
um so what happened after that is there
was another post from the city of
sturgeon where they essentially said
that the mayor resigned and that someone
else kind of like an interm mayor is
taking place and they also changed their
tune about it which they should have
done they is they basically said that
they were appalled by the actions of the
police officer which they absolutely
should have done they absolutely should
have done and you know the the the PAW
Patrol Union just went crazy outrage and
that's kind of what started this but you
know this story really went viral and so
I I did a story on this when this was
kind of you know just starting up on my
on my Tik Tok channel the first story I
did got 1.6 million views the Second
Story I did got about 480,000 views so
people were really interested in this
case as they should have been and why I
say that this is a lesson to all small
small towns is listen even if you're a
small town in the middle of nowhere it's
one of those things where if something
if something is bad enough it's going to
go viral it's going to make national
news it's going to be trending onx and
it's just the idea that you're not going
to have a public relations person look
over this at all doesn't make any sense
and listen here is all that the city of
sturgeon had to do here's all they had
to do is to say listen this happened
it's under investigation that's all they
had to say they I mean the idea that an
investigation would have occurred
already doesn't make any sense Jeremiah
says they had to do damage control after
the boiler plate officer safety response
failed absolutely and at least but at
least their damage control was honest um
because they said that they were
appalled they said that they contacted
the Attorney General's office who my
guess is already on this looking at
possible charges for the officer it's
absolutely insane there's absolutely no
reason that the police officer should
have done that to me this seems criminal
I mean it's it see it seems completely
crazy it seems like animal abuse now
here's my question on this so because
again what I'm curious about is that so
there had to be a reason why the
department said that the officer acted
within his authority so I'm really
curious about what are the Sops what are
the policies what are the officers
trained to do and the it's almost like
even if the officers have this training
I'm saying it doesn't matter because
what the officer did is so far beyond
the bounds of Common Sense and basic
human decency that I don't care what the
training is but you know what do they
tell officers to do because you know one
of the responses from the city is that
they're going to send the officers to
animal control to get more training and
again like like what kind of training do
you need to to say hey um a 13 pound
blind and deaf dog who isn't hurting
anyone uh do don't kill that dog like
again like this is insane what kind of
training do you think could have fixed
this it doesn't make any sense so so so
that's uh let's see Steve Ladner says
damage control was honest after they got
put on Bless yeah it was and again Steve
you know these are the kinds of cases I
think need to be covered again I covered
it on Tik Tok and and I and I you know I
posted on X and everywhere else but um
you know the stories that I got uh or
the views that I got on Tik Tok were
were the most the mayor the mayor ended
up resigning which I think is correct
the officer is on leave and um you know
one of those things is you know I get
messages on uh Tik Tok and x and
Instagram I get messages all the time
from people around the country whenever
I do it story but you know a lot of
times I also get messages from from
police officers and I'm telling you I
got five or six messages from different
police officers who say that they worked
with this guy this officer that they
actually worked with him and that he's
not a good cop that he's a terrible cop
um I got a message from one guy who said
that he used to be a corrections officer
with this guy and this guy was a mess
and he doesn't know how he ever became
an officer and you know the last thing
I'm going to say about this case is you
know if you watch the video so Not only
was the officer recording the
interaction with the dog owner on body
camera video video but the owner of the
dog was actually recording the officer
on his cell phone as well which is
definitely a smart thing to do because
again if a police officer is going to
shoot your 13lb dog for absolutely no
reason the idea that he's he's following
policy and recording your contact with
him you know I I wouldn't count on that
either so it's always good to record on
your own if you can as well and you know
basically when the officer or when the
owner of the dog was able to record this
officer you see his uniform and he's
wearing jeans and you know it just kind
of one of those things if your normal
everyday police uh uniform for your
local police department if it includes
wearing jeans like it's something's
messed up that that's a Telltale sign
that something is going to go wrong if
the normal police uniform is uh jeans
and a can of tobacco like that's that's
that's it you know that you don't have a
great Police Department you may want to
invest something more now okay so aside
from that is I I I participated in a i I
I participated in a uh a social
experiment kind of accidentally you know
maybe not really a social experiment
more just like an observation that I
made so again like I said on my on my
Tik Tok Channel police law news I went
ahead and I posted three different
videos about Teddy the Dog the first one
got 1.6 million views then 480,000 views
and the last one got 70,000 views and
that's a good thing I'm not complaining
I want people to watch my stuff it's an
important case I think I did a good job
covering it which is why I got so many
views but here's what I think is
interesting the day after that so on day
four I did one video each day so on day
four I was looking and I saw a video of
a New York City Police Department
Officer who saves a dog so this is a
case where you know event basically was
the exact opposite thing so what this
officer did is they were on a call and
while they were on a call this woman
took this one-year-old mini poodle and
threw it off a ledge and the dog was
bleeding and injured and you know the
what the New York City police officer
did is she didn't just call animal
control and say hey pick this thing up
she and she grabbed she grabbed the dog
she jumped into a buddy's car and they
raced down to the they raced down to the
uh uh emergency vet and you know they
they basically got this dog there now no
the officer I wouldn't say save the
dog's life because you need a doctor or
a surgeon in order to save the dog's
life but again without the actions from
the officer like this dog just dies
there on the street and that's what a
lot of people thought that you know the
dog was dead once it was thrown off the
ledge so again I'm not going to say this
officer is a hero but you know at least
she did something good like this is a
good a good positive story of a police
officer kind of going above and beyond
you know to save the life of a dog so I
put that that video up on day four and
guess how many views it got 400 not
400,000 400 and it's almost like it's
like it's like so so it's like here you
have one video of a police officer doing
something terrible probably criminal
with a dog and it gets millions of views
then you have an officer doing something
good with a dog and it gets 400 views
again I'm the same guy with the same
channel actually the video that has 400
when it comes to the algorithm of like
when I post videos that actually should
do better with my audience I actually
posted the video with 400 at a better
time than I did with with the other ones
and um yeah it's uh it's a
uh it's just one of those things I know
that Copwatch TV also um uh shared a
video or posted a video recently of a of
a horse uh being being uh saved by a
police officer and I think that video
got you know under a thousand views as
well whereas you know normally on
Copwatch TV a lot of times sometimes we
get a million views sometimes hundreds
of thousand views but again so it it's
it almost makes me think that it's like
you know the algorithm is essentially
set and it's it's designed for conflict
it's designed to show police officers
doing a bad thing and you know during
while I posted these videos obviously I
got thousands of comments as well you
know a lot of the comments are like well
police kill 10,000 hey sha Shaquil me
good to see you you know a lot the
comments are you know police officers
kill 10,000 dogs a year and this is it
and this is all police do and you know
again I was a cop for I was a cop for
you know 20 years and um I was I was on
uh I was on uh in uniform for 15 years
and you know I never shot a dog I got
bit by a dog once uh my uh second year
out in 2007 I got bit by a dog on duty
but I didn't shoot it it almost took my
hand off I didn't shoot it it wasn't the
dog's fault it was a dog being a
protective dog right so it's it's like
I've never shot a dog all of my friends
I can't think of one friend on the
police department in two decades who
shot a dog so it isn't something that is
is real common um but let's see Steve
says police have put so much propaganda
out that nobody cares or pays attention
Okay okay fine but but Steve you know I
would say it the other way it's like
here you have two stories you know one
story is a cop doing something bad and
everybody especially other cops say it's
bad and criminal this guy's a piece of
and then on the other side you have
a cop doing something good and it gets
no views because it's like it wants to
it wants to create that narrative that
police officers are bad and I think that
context is important that yes yes this
case is bad but the idea that this cop
in Sturgeon Missouri that he represents
all police officers who deal with all
dogs that's that's insane and that's not
true so that's the last thing that I'm
going to say about that case um and
Jeremiah Osborne says if it bleeds it
leads it does and you know again I
thought it was really really interesting
and I was really hoping that my other
video was going to do at least a little
bit well but um yeah it it didn't it was
uh it got almost no views I think it was
like 46 views and uh you know it's it's
it's crazy it's um it's it's it's it's
so you have to think about it from so if
you're a content creator and this is
what you do you create content when it
comes to police issues so I have one V
one one case that does great another
case that does terrible so if you're a
content creator and if what you care
about is you know putting out viral
content content so not only do you get
social media Cloud but also you can make
some money what kind of content is is a
Creator incentivized to put out a case
that is going to get a million views or
a case that is going to get 400 views
well it's crazy if this is what you do
full-time and this is how you make your
living and pay your bills it's like the
incentive is there to put out a negative
story about a police officer not a
positive story so that's why I think
it's important that when you see
positive stories of police officers that
you share that stuff too um think that's
I think that's important hey Kos 234
maybe try a gas light headline and a
picture of a dog as a puppy yeah I'm
going to you know what I should have
done Kos I should have made that initial
picture kind of like you said where it
has it has the female cop holding the
dog and it's kind of like limp and
bleeding and put it out there like and
and put a headline it says like crazy
female cop snaps neck of dog you I bet
it would have got like 100,000 views
right I mean it's absolutely crazy but I
didn't I put like NYPD cop helps to save
dog or so I put a headline that was like
you know honest all right so the next
case I'm going to talk about um this one
happened in Albuquerque and we actually
just got the video today um you know
there's actually a great website um in
Albuquerque that does local news and I
don't even know how they get um all the
stuff they do but U we might we might
put a link to them in there in case you
want the full body cam on this video
it's called ABQ raw again it's the best
local news um a lot a lot of times
cities have like the like the the the
standard news but like there's also like
um uh local news channels ABQ ra is one
of those in Albuquerque that's really
good um so they have the full um you
know unredacted body cam in this case
it's AB it's abely um a great body cam
footage and this is a case where I do
think this was going to be I'll spoil it
now I do think this was a lawful legal
you know objectively reasonable officer
involved shooting let me go ahead and
question some of the tactics of the
police officers so as I'm going through
this you know especially if there's
other police officers in there in this
or or if you just are interested in this
kind of stuff definitely put in there if
you think I'm heading wrong track right
track on my on my questions of of some
of the tactics here so basically what
happened is there were two individuals
one guy named Mark Benavides another
lady named Adriana Gonzalez they're
young they're in their early 20s and
essentially what they've been doing in
the City of Albuquerque the last couple
weeks is basically just stealing
anything they could get their hands on
all kinds of stealing all kinds of
property crime theft shoplifting there
even uh Adriano is also a suspect in an
armed robbery so that caught the
attention of detectives with the
Albuquerque Police Department so you
know detectives with the Albuquerque
Police Department started watching them
and when these two individuals were
exiting a Walmart that's when the
detectives decided that they were going
to make arrest because both individuals
had outstanding warrants in reference to
these cases Adriana had a bunch of
warrants one of them for an armed
robbery and Mark Benitas he had a bunch
of warrants um not for an armed robbery
but for other mostly property crime
things so you know as they're as they're
watching the Walmart and they're
watching these individuals Adriana
leaves the store first because you know
Mark is a gentleman so he allows her to
leave first as she's in the parking lot
she's contacted by police officers they
give her commands she gets on the ground
she's handcuffed and she stood up and
guess what happens she's not injured
she's not harmed because the thing is if
you cooperate with police officers
you're not going to be you know harmed
hurt or killed like
99.999% of the time this is a perfect
example of that so ad Rana cooperates
she's handcuffed not injured at all and
and if you watch the body camera footage
which I would encourage you to do it's
actually great because because you know
as she's being handcuffed she goes how
did did you guys find me how did you
guys find me and the cop says like well
we're police officers like this is what
we do and she she can't she cannot wrap
her head around it like the like the the
privilege that she has that she thinks
she should just be able to just go
around the city taking whatever she
wants and victimizing random people for
weeks on end the idea that like somehow
that's going to like come home to that
that's going to like like the reality is
going to catch up with her yeah it's
like when you drink white claws there
are no laws that's kind of what she
thinks because you know after the
officer gives her the answer she asks
again she's like yeah but but but how
and you know the officer just like yeah
like listen lady I've been doing this
for over a decade like this is what we
do we catch people who are committing a
lot of crime that's you today um so
she's in custody as she's in custody as
she's in custody U Mark is actually
still inside the Walmart's store so
there's a couple other police officers
who are waiting outside of the Walmart
you know ready to arrest him when he
walks out of the store they also have I
think I think they have some eyes inside
the store that are kind of telling them
like when he's about to walk out in
obviously they know who he is so you
know as so let's let's get bed also
armed guards um inside the store as well
um I IPS security which is a local uh uh
security place though they are in a
bunch of different states actually a
great great uh security company um armed
security they are in there as well and
they're and um they're in there as well
so you know the the the officers also
tell security hey like we're we're wait
waiting for someone to come out uh we're
going to take someone into custody so
it's at that point that's let's take it
back so that's where we are so let's
take it back from Adriana's point of
view so here Adrian is kind of like
shocked that she's being arrested by
police officers and as she's being led
to a police car she hears gunshots from
across the parking lot and I mean her
world just just comes crashing down
because you know basically within 60
seconds she went from being able to run
around the city of Albuquerque stealing
and doing whatever she wants to now
being in custody for felony crimes and
she hears gunshots across the parking
lot and she she knows she knows it's her
boyfriend she knows it's her boyfriend
she just does because she starts
screaming Mark Mark that's my boyfriend
like she she can't see it but she knows
and that's that's kind of a Telltale
sign that here you are so I I mean I
mean think about it this way like like
you hear gunshots across a parking lot
if your first thing if the first thing
in your mind is like hey it's my
significant other getting in a gunfight
with police then like your significant
other probably isn't a good person right
but that's that's immediately what she
thinks is that it's it's it's her her
boyfriend in a gun battle with police
and that's pretty much what happened so
now let me bring it back to what
happened with Mark um yeah I mean it's
it's so let me let me let me tell you
what happened with Mark it's basically
hug life turned into Thug Life quick so
if you look what happened with Mark so
Mark walks out of the store a a police
officer says uh says something like hey
Mark you're under arrest and at that
point mark doesn't cooperate he runs he
runs with he runs from a police officer
let me tell you something about the
police officer and this is the kind of
stuff that I'm going to question because
again I'm not saying it's an illegal
shooting I do think this is a legal
police shooting but I I'm going to
question some of the tactics here so so
we have to look at it this way so the
the the police officers and really this
is more of like a policy concern not a
legal concern it's more of like a policy
and a tactical concern and again if you
guys think that I'm wrong track on this
definitely put it put in the comments
I'd love to go back and forth so so the
the two police officers or was at least
two of them but the two police off
officers who were waiting in front were
both in plain clothes now yes they were
in plain clothes but they did have the
vest on that said police really big they
had they had a visible gun a badge a
body camera and they also had AR-15s
slung across their their necks so it's
one of those things where it's like yes
yeah they're not in a full uniform but I
mean clearly these are police officers
right and it it's clearly these are
police officers and as soon as Mark
walks out they don't say police or
Albuquerque police now again I think
it's obvious that these are police
officers but when officers don't
necessarily say the word police I I
think we should talk about it right and
I know that the Albuquerque Police
Department does have a policy that says
that if feasible you're supposed to
identify yourself as a police officer so
so again they don't say police and you
know they do tell him that he's under
arrest and you know Mark starts to run
he doesn't get very far he gets maybe 10
feet an officer catches up with him but
like I said the two officers who are
waiting there the front both have AR-15s
that are slung across their neck so you
know um as the officer catches up to
Mark pretty much right there within like
10 ft the two men go to the ground
there's a struggle and during the
struggle Mark is actually able to grab a
hold of the of the rifle because again
the rifle is slung across the officer
across the officer's neck now they're on
the ground wrestling Mark is able
to mark is able to grab the gun what he
does is he is able to he he's able to uh
uh flip the flip the safety off the gun
and he starts firing so luckily the
rounds that he's firing are going into
the ground but still this is a crowded
Walmart parking lot and again any of
these rounds from the AR-15 can go and
hit anyone luckily they don't no one is
struck by any of the gunfire but again I
think he fired seven rounds like again
these rounds could have gone anywhere
and um you know what what ends up
happening is is uh so it looks like
there were a total of uh eight rounds uh
a total of eight rounds fired um it
looks like there was a one shot first
and then uh a seven and then seven so
there was um like one shot first and
then and then there was like a barrage
of seven at the end so eight total um
and what the officer does so you know
the officer is trying to hold down and
keep control of the AR-15 because it's
like it's like at at that point at that
point it's there's not much that you can
do in in a situation like that except
try to keep the AR-15 down so what the
officer does is you know after seven
rounds are fired he takes out his
handgun and he puts it right to Mark's
chest right to his heart and just like
ban Joy says he he shoots him through
the heart and he dies right there he
dies right there and um I mean listen
like like it was completely unnecessary
it was absolutely unnecessary because
Mark is a young guy and he died in a
Walmart parking lot in Albuquerque New
Mexico I mean that's absolutely the most
depressing thing to to possibly hear um
so I mean again I honestly think this
was a legal officer involved shooting
because you have to think give it right
then okay so so so again like if you
don't think if it was a legal officer
involved shooting I'm good with that but
let's go ahead and talk about it so now
you have a police officer who's
wrestling on the ground with a guy the
guy flipped off the flipped off the
safety flipped off the safety and he's
his finger is in the trigger guard and
he's shooting he's shooting an AR-15
randomly eight times as a police officer
what are you supposed to do I I I I I
don't know so I should I should put in
there that they did try to tase him
first so even though he's using deadly
force and pulling the trigger on this
gun one of the officers actually does
does try to tase him and the taser
connects uh twice but it he's still
hanging on to that gun so again like I I
don't know in in that moment I don't
know what you expect a police officer to
do now we could have a conversation
about well what maybe police officers
shouldn't get themselves into those
positions let's have that conversation
which is where my criticism is but like
when you're in that moment if you're
going to say that this isn't Justified
or isn't legal then what you have to do
is say okay in that situation the police
should have done something else I'm good
with that just tell me what that is a
taser didn't work so and again how long
do you let him keep firing from an
AR-15 before he hits and kills someone
in I don't I don't know what else an
officer is supposed to do I I don't
think the officer had any had any good
uh choices and that's what he uh decided
to do um yeah I think there were I think
by the time the end of it happened there
were like seven officers around him and
any any of them could have gotten hit
any random people in the parking lot
could have gotten struck so um again
there really wasn't anything that that
that the police officer could have done
so I like to think of these okay so so
what should what should a uh what should
a uh and just so you know in in
Albuquerque New Mexico um there was a a
shooting at a a Dutch Brother's coffee
place where um three different police
officers were shot in a situation you
know that wasn't that far from this um
uh so I I mean we there there's been
some some officers being shot in
Albuquerque in a situation like this
that where officers were injured uh a
couple of the officers were injured uh
pretty bad and ended up in a lengthy
gunfight in a very busy area that could
have been a lot worse for a lot of the
the random citizens and innocent people
in the area but again so you know I
think okay so what what can we do so
this kind of stuff doesn't happen again
if we look at like what policy and
training can we put in place well a
couple things is that you know the two
arresting officers who are at the front
why are those guys have long guns why
why do they have ARS it just seems like
if you know that you're going to now you
can't police officers can't assume that
everyone is going to fight but you have
to be prepared for someone running and
fighting and someone like this you know
absolutely is someone who may run and
fight so you know it's like the idea
that Mark ran and fought with police
officers shouldn't have been that much
of a surprise and the two officers who
were right there both officers had AR-15
slung so you know that hey I'm going to
get into a fight with a guy with my AR
rattling around that doesn't make any
sense I mean to me you need at least one
officer who at least has their hands
free without an AR now again you can
disagree with me and I'm good with that
and I want to hear the other side of it
I was never in swat I never went to swat
school I was never in tactical but I
wasn't but I worked in the policy
Division I worked in compliance and so
and so this is the kind of stuff that I
that I have to think about but again I I
100% acknowledge that in a lot of these
areas there are subject matter experts
like firearms experts like Firearms
trainers like people who work in swat
who you know may have a different
perspective because I'm looking at this
from like a comp a compliance policy
standpoint again I know that you know
someone like me if I were working in
this capacity I would also I would
definitely rely on subject matter expert
so I'm not claiming that I am and that
you know tactical or SWAT may have
something else to say about that so I'm
I'd definitely like to hear that that
perspective but to me it doesn't make
any sense when the two officers the only
two officers who are there to make an
arrest both officers have an AR slung
and again this is the kind of thing that
happened to me this is a predictable
thing that could happen when someone
fights with a police officer it's it's
I'm extremely glad that no police
officers or innocent people were harmed
by um by that gunfire um so yeah I think
this is a Justified officer involved
shooting but I'm not crazy about the
tactics uh let's see what Steve says I
don't believe anything police say happen
without hard EV sure yeah that's it's
Steve that's why I love body cam video I
watched the body cam earlier today um
I'm I'm you don't have to believe me of
course but um I'm here on record this
video is saved and I'm reporting what I
saw on the body camera video if not it'd
be really easy to put together a video
and say Dan said something untrue here's
what the body camera really shows but I
I watched it this morning uh CD says why
when cops shoot someone in the person is
done do they continue to fire when
there's clearly no longer a threat uh
that's a good question and we would have
to look at um a specific situation for
me to answer um on a specific case but
you know basically CD the way the best
way that I can describe that is here's
the way you have to think about it so
you're watching a body camera video okay
you're watching a body camera video from
the safety of your own house and you go
okay right there at that exact moment
that's when the guy drops the gun that's
when there's no more threat I can see it
on the body camera video great well you
have to think about okay well the
officer in the moment isn't watching it
on a body camera video the officer is
probably in the most stressful moments
of their entire life and they're trying
to view it then and just because you can
see it on a body cam the person dropped
the gun right then is that necessarily
where the officer is watching maybe the
officer was looking at the person's
other hand or a citizen so who who knows
there could be a lot of things but and
then okay let's say the officer realizes
it right there let's say the same time
you see it on the body camera footage
the officer in the moment recognizes
okay my my I see no threat so here's the
different studies that they've done on
this is that your I see it has to go to
your brain and then that has to go to
your hands or your body in order to
communicate now that process under
stress can take you know a second and a
half to two seconds that's how long it
could take for the body to basically to
catch up to what the eyes see in the
moment and they've also done studies
they know how many times a police
officer can fire a second it's four
times a second police officers can fire
one shot every quarter second so let's
say we're on the lower end of this right
so let's say it only takes the police
officer you you know a second again and
this is if they realize it and see it's
not a threat at the exact time you do on
body cam so let's say the officer in the
moment he or she is looking at the exact
right place and they're perfect which
again isn't always the case under a
stressful circumstance but let's say the
officer realiz the I see it perfectly
well we know from then on the low end
it's going to take the officer a second
and a half for you know for the eyes to
go to the brain to go to the body the
hand to realize it's not a threat
anymore to process that so we know that
an officer can fire six times in a
second and a half so watching body
camera video you might say well the
officer shot six extra times when
there's objectively no more threat well
that's what I would expect based on
human performance under stress that's
about what I would expect now would I
expect the officer to shoot 50 more
times 20 more times no but two three
four or five you know an extra second
second and a half yeah that's about what
I would expect for a human under stress
to actually deal with it that's the best
way that I can um describe um that and
again this has all been done all these
Studies have been done let's see in most
of these body cam shootings though
they're shooting the suspect many times
it is uh not necessary to shoot that
many times but I I don't know again like
you have to tell me a a specific case
and we can go ahead and go through it um
you know um police officers have to
justify every round that leaves um that
leaves their their firearm so you also
have to think like when does the threat
stop so you know again you watching it
or me watching it from the safety of my
home or the safety from or the safety
from this office or this studio you know
is is I may see it as well okay I don't
think there's a threat well that's
really easy for me to say because I'm
not wrestling on the ground with a crazy
person who committed felonies is saying
I'm not going back to jail and I'm going
to kill as many cops as I can to avoid
it I mean so it's it's it's really it's
really if you have someone who's
shooting at a cop um you know basically
as long as you have someone who's
shooting at a cop or shooting a gun
trying to kill people is is I I see the
threat is as long as that person is
still alive and has access to that gun
they's still a deadly threat you may you
may see it differently but so it's like
when does the threat actually end um
yeah so so that's that's that's uh
that's the best way I can answer that
but see like I said if you have a
specific case I'd be happy to I'd be
happy to look at it um one of the cases
where I think that this is relevant is
in the Dexter read case where police
officers shot Dexter re 96 times we've
covered that a couple times on this show
I actually went into prettyy great
detail about why I think that 96 shots
you know wasn't an unreasonable amount
um as Dexter Reed is shooting at at
police officers all right so the last
case that I'm going to cover and this
comes from Lakeland Florida and here's
the thing we don't know a whole lot
about this case which is why it's
interesting to talk about before it
happened so you know basically here's
how this case came about um Ben Crump
posted Ben Crump the civil rights
attorney um he posted a video on X and
on Instagram where it was basically
partial cell phone video and it shows
two police officers I should say that
they're like regular siiz humans um you
know fighting a guy like a knockdown
drag out fist fight with a guy who looks
like he's like 350 lbs um and and
everyone is throwing punches eventually
they get the guy in the ground um they
use a Taser and they get him handcuffed
um well so Ben Crump um and across the
there's a banner across the video that
says he's 16 y'all that that's that's
what it says again like like I mean this
guy looks like he's about 350 lbs I
don't know if he's 16 or not he looks
like a giant dude and and let me just
say this first listen if you're if
you're 16 years old and you know 63 and
350 lbs uh police officers and you're
fighting with the cops they're going to
put way more concern about your size and
your aggression than they are about your
age okay like that's that's that's just
reality that's just how it is so and Ben
Crump you know he posted this video
where the police officers and this this
individual are already involved in a
fight so and and he writes and he writes
this is disturbing we have to find out
more well oh yeah yeah we have to find
out more but I I mean it's like I I I
don't know I think it's a little
suspicious because there's a reason why
Ben Crump didn't show didn't play the
first part of the video so here's what
I'm interested I'm interested in how did
this start how did this case start and
and definitely I could be wrong but I'm
going to go out on a limb and here's my
guess my guess is that the police
officers were trying to make an arrest
probably illegal arrest but if not let's
call it what it is that the police
officers were trying to make an arrest
and instead of just cooperating this
giant Guy starts to fight with police
officers like to me that's more likely
than police officers walking around
picking random fist fights with high
schoolers like my guess and capturing it
on body camera video right like that
that's my guess I could be wrong um so
yeah so we'll so we we'll see what um
yeah so we'll see what uh what
eventually happens with this case um you
know since it first came out you know we
again we don't have a whole lot of
information but what we do know is that
apparently um uh the allegations that
this kid and his friends were
trespassing at a pool um he was they
were told to leave they refus so the who
whoever runs the pool called police
police told him to leave they refus so
police you know were going to arrest him
for shoplifting or I'm sorry for for
trespassing and you know instead of you
know cooperating he fought with police
officers and again you know when you're
350b and you fight with police officers
like it's going to look ugly it's going
to be disturbing um the the easiest way
to avoid any of this is to um not resist
arest and fight with cops so so that's
the thing and if you look at it it's
like yes I don't like seeing police
officers punch people that's not great
but like if you watch the video it's
like they're not using any of their
weapon systems right they're not using a
baton they're not using a bean bag
shotgun like they don't tase him right
away so you know typically the lowest
level of force is police officers just
using their hands and going hands up on
so again it's like if you don't like
that level of force okay then like what
do you want police officers to do do you
want them to use a Taser earlier I'm
good with that a lot of times the a lot
of times the criticism is that police
officers go to a lot of times police
officers go to taser too quickly that
that that's a criticism of police so in
this case they didn't they didn't tase
him until like both officers were
punched and they were in a fist fight
with this guy so again like I'm I'm good
with criticizing police officers but
like I always say what comes with that
criticism I say have to you don't have
to it's it's America you can do whatever
you want but to me the most interesting
criticism is you say this is what the
police officers did it was wrong here's
why here's what they should have done
and then being able to back that up with
law policy or training if you just say
all police are racist all police are
tyrants again that's boring and it just
isn't interesting it like I like what I
did with the case that we just did you
know I said okay like well I'm not crazy
about the police officers the two
arresting police officers having AR-15
slung so if they get into a fight
they're going to have they're going to
have their rifles swinging around like
to me that seems like a bad idea so I'm
criticizing police officers but I'm also
saying hey this is what they should do
and if there's not a policy on that
there should be at least one person on
the arrest team should not have a rifle
slung and should be able to go Hands-On
you know I also said I also criticized
the officer I said you know as they made
contact with him they didn't say they
were police officers right like and I
I'm I'm citing the policy I know there's
a policy in the Albuquerque Police
Department that you identify yourself if
feasible so again like I'm giving
criticism but I'm saying I'm backing up
exactly why all right uh let's see uh
JoJo every arrest uh oh my goodness this
is this is nutty okay but we're gonna go
ahead and read it JoJo every arrest
without an arrest warrant is illegal if
arrested without a warrant it's
kidnapping well it's not it's not so um
per per the law and per how do I put
this JoJo per reality it's not um again
we can talk about we can talk about
fantasy we can talk about your opinion
um but again saying it's illegal is um
insane um I I'll just leave it there um
let's see uh C lady J says came and and
left a like hey watch from Tennessee
good good to see you um yeah I mean Jojo
If you're always traveling around and
avoiding the the road road Pirates I
mean it it's nuts um let's see Steve
says one less comment from Steve police
break the law 99% of the time nothing
happens to them that's real problem uh I
I disagree um police officers have body
cameras now every they do is on camera
so again just like I always say if you
can find a case where a police officer
breaks the law nothing happens cite the
case put it in there we'll go ahead and
cover it um again that's that's the
reality of it again you can have your
opinion but you know opinion should be
based in reality if you want to be taken
seriously all right that's going to be
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