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Copwatch TV and today we're going to go
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important and interesting cases that
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get right into it so this first case
that we're going to talk about happened
in Chicago on March 21st 2024 and like
I've said before Chicago is where I'm
from I grew up in Chicago I lived there
until I was 22 years old until I got a
police job and moved 1300 miles away but
I grew up in Chicago so I know a whole
lot about Chicago and listen even living
there for 22 years there are a whole
bunch of neighborhoods that I never set
foot in my mom is in her 70s she's lived
in Chicago her entire life that in 70s
something years she's never set foot in
these neighborhoods and this first
officer involved shooting that we're
going to talk about happened in one of
those neighborhoods that virtually
except my friends who stayed back home
in our Chicago cops literally no one I
know goes into neighborhoods like this
because they're incredibly dangerous all
right so the first so the first case
we're going to go into involved an
individual named Dexter Reed and listen
this case has been pretty controversial
it's made national news it's pretty much
been everywhere there's been protests in
and in Chicago over this case and let me
explain what happened in this case then
I'm going to go into some of the
controversial issues that are involved
in this case and then I'm going to give
some of my opinions about whether or not
I think not only if the officer involved
shooting was legal but if the police
officer did anything wrong when it comes
to tactics um or how they uh dealt with
this individual so this happened on
March 21st 2024 and it was basically
officers um that were part of a tactical
team now the way that they were dressed
they were essentially dressed in plain
clothes but they had vests on that said
police and really big letters across the
front and the back um so if they were
out of their cars you could absolutely
see that they were police officers
because of the vest that said police
also they had on radios and body cams
and handcuffs and handguns and and other
things that would and a badge other
things that would indicate that they are
police officers but essentially police
officers initiated on traffic stop an
individual named Dexter Dexter Reed he's
26 years old and the official reason
given for the traffic stop was a seat
belt violation so that's the Reasonable
Suspicion and if you actually watch the
body camera video and you slow it down
to a freeze frame like I did because
that's that that's that's how I act
sometimes it's you can clearly see that
Dexter Reed did not have his seat belt
on so the Reasonable Suspicion for the
traffic stop yes now we can all say hey
this this shouldn't be a law or police
officers shouldn't enforce this law
that's fine we can have those
discussions I like having those
discussions but in reality Dexter Reed
was committing a traffic violation and
that was the official reason that police
officers stopped him so they stopped
Dexter readed and they approached the
car pretty much with their guns out this
wasn't like a normal traffic stop a yes
uh yes Rodney K uh Rodney uh uh kitley a
reasonable suspicion of a crime yeah so
not reasonable suspicion like hey I
think you're a suspicious person because
you're walking no it's reasonable
suspicion that a crime has been has been
committed is being committed or will be
committed yeah so Reasonable Suspicion
um that's that's the official phrasing
of it um so police officers do a traffic
stop where they basically have their
guns drawn it's not like me walking up
to a car where where I used to work
being like hey you know um I'm I'm
officer Smith with the with with the
with the police department can I see
your driver's license registration no
police officers get out of the car they
have their guns drawn they approach the
front and the passenger side and they
immediately start giving the driver
Dexter read commands they've giving him
a couple commands one is to roll down
the window because he starts rolling up
the window as the police officers
approach the other command that they're
giving to Mr Reed is to have him exit
the vehicle so instead of doing those
things Mr Reed does literally the
opposite he doesn't exit the vehicle he
starts to roll up his window and then he
shoots a police officer that's on the
passenger side the police officer is sh
in the in the arm and kind of like in in
the wrist area and the officer from the
body camera footage you know starts
basically to to retreat and to walk away
um you know he says I'm shot I'm shot
pretty much as soon as that happen
happens now you can imagine what happens
when Dexter Reed shoots a police officer
can anybody guess put in the chat what
do you think the response from police
officers were well that's exactly what
it was they fired a ton at Dexter
Reed because again police officers can
only utilize deadly force if there is a
deadly threat presented well if you're
shooting it's not hey there's a gun and
he's reaching for it or the gun is in
the holster or he's holding the gun and
he's kind of waving it around no no I
mean we are we are past code red here he
has already shot a police officer so
police officers there were four
different police and I should say that
Dexter Reed didn't just fire one round
he fired 11 rounds at police officers
thankfully only one police officer was
hit one time and he the officer will
make a full recovery but police officers
then did fire 96 times four different
officers fired 96 times which um you
know isn't that unreasonable but we'll
get into that here in a minute but
police officers fired 96 times um
obviously um Mr Reed did not uh did not
um uh uh did not survive that officer
involved shooting whereas again you
shoot a police officer at Point Blank
Range my my guess is no reasonable
person would say yeah you know that's a
situation that I think this guy is going
to make it out of I mean again this is a
situation where it's it's almost like
like like officer induced it's this is
like suicide by cop I mean because again
there's no other way for this to go um
so people have a lot of different
questions about this and I'm going to go
ahead and answer some some of those
questions and uh uh and uh I'm going I
think curos actually has one of those
questions so um let's see kuros says
it's not clear when all the other
officers showed up did they run his
plate and determine that it was a
high-risk stop God car that's such a
good question that's exactly where I'm
going to go so in my opinion and again
they haven't specifically said this but
this is my opinion and I could be wrong
so the Tactical Unit or the police
officers that initiated this traffic
stuff weren't uniform police officers in
a marked police car driving around and
they see a seat Bel violation they do a
regular traffic stop that's obviously
not what happened here but they also
weren't undercover officers I went back
and forth on social media pretty much
the last week or so with people who were
claiming that these officers were
undercover officers they weren't
undercover officers and here's why
because undercover police officers are
actually undercover essentially
undercover officers they are embedded in
some type of a group or a gang or they
are pretending to be someone else
undercover officer do not conduct
traffic stops because that would
essentially blow their cover here's an
example an undercover police officer
most of the time you're never going to
know they're a cop an undercover police
officer will do the drug buy right
they'll do the drug buy they'll leave
they'll walk away and they'll send these
guys in to make the arrest so there's a
huge difference between what these
officers were and undercover again these
guys were not undercover but they were
in unmarked cars mostly in plain clothes
except for the vest but if you're
driving around in a in a car um you know
you can't necessarily see the vest so it
looks like a regular car it looks like
just a dude driving a car and especially
from a distance like most of the time
you can't tell that they're police
officers which is the point now these
undercover tactical units this isn't
something new they've actually been
doing this for a really long time and I
know that for a couple reasons again not
just because I grew up in Chicago and I
lived in Chicago but during my freshman
year at College um in my area where I
grew up in Chicago most of the people in
my area were cops firefighters
electricians teachers you know normal
people but I knew a lot of my friends
dads were Chicago cops growing up and
you know one of them you know basically
I was I was a freshman year doing a
degree in criminal justice and you know
I asked my friend if there was my
friend's dead if there any way he could
I could do a ride along and you know he
said no and then about six months later
he said you know what I think I can and
he actually had me do a ride along with
these undercover tactical units so you
know I wasn't in a marked police car I
was one I was in one of these cars that
you know doesn't have any markings on
them and the officers that I was riding
along with you know they were in plank
Clos but they had these vests on so that
was in 2002 so and my guess is this
wasn't when I did a ride along in 2002
my guess is that wasn't that wasn't the
first day that um that wasn't the first
day that they decided to do this so you
know 25 who knows how long they've been
doing this but the reason I'm saying
that is because there's a lot of people
going back on social media saying that
these cops were out of uniform and they
were they were violating some policy
well again that's that that's uneducated
and ridiculous to say because these
types of Street Tactical in Chicago have
been doing it for well over 20 years so
you know and and when it comes to the
traffic stop to answer curos my guess is
these type of officers listen they are
not stopping cars just for seat Bel
violations that's not really what they
want they're not looking to write
traffic tickets what they are looking to
do is they're looking to take guns and
violent people off the street that's
literally what their job is is to find
guns drugs and take and take violent
people off the street that's what
they're looking to do so and I there's
no proof of this but here's my guess if
you want to ask me like well what did I
think what do I think they were doing
because here's the thing my guess is a
Tactical Unit like this they're not
stopping random cars for a seat belt
violation getting out with their guns
drawn and demanding people to step out
of the car like like that's not a thing
that likely happen so here's my guess
and I have to go into a little bit about
who Dexter Reed is and essentially
Dexter Reed is a guy who back in 2023 so
not that long ago he was charged with a
crime and the crime was a uh aggravated
unlaw three counts of aggravated
unlawful carrying of a weapon and he was
actually on pre-trial release for that
where he wasn't able to own a firearm or
possess a firearm his FOID card that's
the firearm owner's identification card
in Illinois it's essentially like a
concealed carry card that you have to
have in Chicago if you're going to carry
a a concealed weapon so he was revoked
on his you know on his ability to carry
a concealed weapon so again so here's my
guess I'm actually going to tell you
this time here's my guess is that police
officers have is that police officers
had some Intel some information who
knows who it was from it was from a
family member if it was from a victim if
it was from a co-conspirator or someone
trying to get out of their own criminal
charges my guess is the police officers
had some kind of Intel that hey this guy
Dexter Reed who has already he's a
convicted felon he has a violent crime
pending this guy is carrying a
gun he's carrying a gun so again that's
my guess is that they had that Intel so
my guess is that they had that Intel
they ran the background on him they knew
exactly who he was and they and they
they did they had a real-time crime
Center do all kinds of checks on him so
they knew exactly who he was they were
following him around again in these cars
they were following him around and they
finally found a time where he was in a
car where they were going to initiate a
traffic stop they waited until they saw
a legitimate traffic violation the seat
belt and then they initiated the traffic
stop so um so that's what I think
happened and you know I'm sure there's
going to be lawsuits about this case and
will be able to you know confirm or deny
if what I said is true but again with my
experience on this that's probably what
happened and you know it's it's you have
to look at it this way okay so a lot of
people are going to complain about well
the police officer shouldn't be doing
that you know he's you know he's in
violation of conditions of release and
he has a gun and you know why are police
officers even trying to do this so so I
have a couple questions one is do you
want police officers you know I mean
Chicago is an incredibly horribly
violent city do you want police officers
to actually go after people who are
committing the violence yes or no okay
if the answer is no well then we don't
have a whole lot to talk about but the
answer is yes okay then let's walk down
that path so now how do you want police
officers to do it well you don't like
when police officers do no knock
warrants and I get it no knock warrants
are dangerous so you police officers we
don't want them to do no knock warrants
um we so but now we're saying you don't
want them to do traffic stops either so
so my question is well then how would
you like police officers to take someone
like Dexter Reed into custody that
that's that's an honest question please
go ahead and put it in the chat now keep
in mind he has he's a convicted felon he
has a felony case pending he is not
allowed to um possess a firearm and the
police officers know that he has a gun
it's not like it's a question they know
he has a gun so how would how would you
tactically policy-wise how would you
like police officers to make an arrest
in a situation like this so again a
traffic stop that isn't an unreasonable
thing for police off officers to do
because not only do you want to
basically make it safe for Dexter safe
for the officers but also safe for the
community you don't want to wait till
Dexter gets out of his car at Walmart
and starts walking in and you're
confronting him when you know he's armed
when there's you know a hundred other um
civilians around so doing a traffic stop
where there's not a lot of people on the
street again there's no ideal way to
take violent criminals into custody um
but again a traffic stop isn't a bad
idea so just to expand on this a little
further let's say that Dexter had run
from the traffic stop like fled didn't
stop well my guess is police officers
aren't going to keep chasing him they're
not going to chase him again we all
don't like police Pursuits either so
it's like once someone runs from a
couple different traffic stops it's like
at that point that's when they tried to
go to the no knock warrant so um but
luckily this was the first step that's
what they did um so again I don't think
the the reason and um you know it's so
police officers you know basically like
they're intent like what the police
officers actually want to do is to get
this guy in the a gun off the street
right that's what they're trying to do
but the reason the technical reason for
the traffic stop is the seat belt well
what what that is called is a pretextual
stop so it's called a pretextual stop
and it is literally legal there's a
Supreme Court case on this I think it's
US versus Ren wh Reen where the Supreme
Court basically said that's legal for
police officers to do now in the state
of New Mexico where I retired from as a
police officer the New Mexico courts
have said no no no you can't do that so
in New Mexico my entire career we could
not do pretextual stops but literally in
every other state in the country police
officers can and essentially what the
Supreme Court said in that case because
the same kind of thing police officers
used a traffic violation
because they really wanted to see if
there were drugs or guns in the
car so what the Supreme Court said is
Supreme Court said like no no no if
there's a traffic violation even like
the intent of what's inside the police
officer's mind like that isn't really
relevant or just because the police
officer might be thinking hey this
person might be drunk this person might
have a gun this person might have drugs
just because those thoughts are running
through a police officer's head doesn't
mean that they can't make a traffic stop
for a legal traffic stop it can't for a
legitimate reason so basically a police
the Supreme Court said that any like
legal reason to stop a car police
officers can go ahead and stop it even
if like in the back of their minds
they're hoping to uh find a drunk driver
they're hoping to find guns so the
traffic stop again you may not like it
and I get it but it's legal so I think
that's where we have to land on this at
least right now pretextual stops are
legal um let's talk about the uniform so
I kind of mentioned the police people
are saying well how is Dexter to know
that these that these people were police
officers you know maybe he thought that
you know there were like four random
dudes who were just trying to rob him
well that's a pretty ridiculous thing to
say for a couple reasons and let's go
and talk about those reasons the first
one is that they had on vests that said
police they also had badges handcuffs a
handgun a badge and a radio um that
should indicate that the these people
were police um they were also giving
verbal commands that they were police
officers um and now a couple things
about this I think I told you a few
minutes ago about the neighborhood that
I grew up in Chicago it was actually a
really it was in the city but a nice
safe neighborhood most of my neighbors
were were cops firefighters teachers
electricians and you know like regular
blue collar normal workers who played on
softball teams by whichever Irish bar
happened to be a up up the block mine
was lawers so it's like it's like a
normal neighborhood and even in my
neighborhood again my mom has lived in
her house on the south side of Chicago
for over 50 years right now in 50 years
the police have been called to her block
one time one time in 50 years and again
there's not too many blocks in the
entire country you can say that on
that's the kind of neighborhood this is
even though it's in on the souths side
of Chicago so and it's like so I guess
what I'm saying is like even though it's
a completely normal safe neighborhood
growing up even as a teenager I knew
that this is how Chicago police officers
dress in the street tactile uniforms
they are constantly on the news in these
kind of in these kind of uniforms so
again me never seeing it in real life
only seeing it on the news and in the
newspaper I knew as a teenager that
sometimes this is how Chicago Police
dress so the idea that Dexter Reed who
was 26 years old who is a convicted
Criminal Who Lived in a high crime
neighborhood where these cops were
literally making arrests and jumping out
of their cars all the time the idea that
like he didn't know in his head hey uh
maybe these are cops like the idea um is
is actually a pretty ridiculous thing um
so Dexter Reed absolutely 100% knew that
these were police officers it's
incredibly dishonest to say anything
else um and also the type of vehicle
that so the types of vehicle the cops
were driving yeah they were they were
not they didn't look like police
officers they look like anything else
you know so kind of like what I always
say is you know my last um you know my
last couple my last four years as a
police officer I I I was an investigator
so I wasn't in uniform anymore and they
gave me a Ford Fusion a Ford Fusion with
a government plate I mean I felt like I
worked for the child protective service
or something like that or the IRS like
it didn't look like a cop car so those
are the kind of cars they drive you know
Nissan ultimas and and Ford Fusions and
just regular four-door normal four-door
Passenger cars that blend in only a car
like this wouldn't have a government
plate but they would have lights so they
these cars did have blue lights they
weren't installed on the top but they're
kind of they're kind of you know at the
at the top of the at the top of the
windshield so the the so the police
officers did have blue flashing lights
and they actually initiated those those
lights during the traffic stop and a
couple things one of the reasons why
Dexter knew these were police officers
is because when they came behind him
with these blue lights he stopped all
right so again it's silly to say that
Dexter didn't know know that these were
police officers but these are the kinds
of things that people were saying now
let's get to the amount of shots so
these are the kinds of things that a lot
of people are also having trouble with
the amount of shots and you know I'm
going to be just as as transparent as I
could be I don't have an issue with the
amount of shots um and the reason why I
don't have an issue with the with the
amount of shots is because it's not
unreasonable so Dexter one person shot
11 times again you you wouldn't expect
police officers when again he didn't
just reach for the gun or hold the gun
or possess the gun or you know he was
kind of waving it around like no he
actually used it and shot a cop so the
idea that police officers are going to
go like one for one with shots like
that's not reasonable any police officer
in a situation like this is pretty much
going to fire their we weapon until the
threat is neutralized until the threat
is gone until there is no more threat
police officers fire their weapons to
stop the threat listen as long as in a
situation like this here's how we we
kind of put parameters on what the
threat is Dexter Reed if he was in arms
length of the gun and still alive that's
a threat that's a threat police officer
should keep shooting until that's no
longer the case because again he already
shot a police officer um and and again
you know I'm I'm usually I'm not that
concerned with the amount of shots um as
opposed to the reason for the initial
shot here's why so my concern about this
my concern about this is the reason for
the shot so if the reason for the shot
is legal lawful objectively reasonable
within policy training and the law and
that's what my main concern is okay so
but once we cross that threshold and we
go yeah of course he shot a cop of
course police officers are going to
shoot back anyone who says that police
officers shouldn't return fire when
someone's shooting at them 11 times is
absolutely insane so yeah I'm I'm we
understand that police officers are
going to shoot back um you know I think
they fire their weapons for less less
than a minute um you know again I I
watch the video I don't really have an
issue with it um now again if someone is
think of a situation where someone you
know um has a gun but they throw the gun
they drop the gun the gun is 10 feet
away their arms are in the air and
they're absolutely not a danger anymore
well yes of course police officers
should stop firing but again as long as
there is a legitimate threat deadly
threat police officers should use deadly
force until there is no more deadly
threat um so um now my opinion on this
is yeah I think the I think the police
shooting was obviously the police
shooting is legal I think it's it's it's
within policy um I don't think any of
the police officers should suffer um any
consequences legally or administratively
um I think these police officers are
hero the officer who was shot they got
him Aid really quick and listen the only
true victim in this case is the police
officer who was shot by a violent felon
that is the only victim in this case all
right let's see what some of your
contacts are so zigzag says uh our law
enforcement officers are
stormtroopers okay that doesn't make a
whole lot of sense all right uh let's
see um uh let's see Steve says we're
living in 1930s Germany I yeah I don't I
don't know again Steve like so so I
guess my question to Steve and I like
going back and forth with Steve is you
know what would you like police officers
to do so it seems like people I'm not
trying to pick on you Steve because I I
like going going back and forth in in in
I like going back and forth with you but
what would you like police officers to
do so you don't want police officers to
um you know stop people for nonsense and
Road Pirates like you say well this case
they were you know trying to get like a
gun off the street and a violent person
who wasn't supposed to have a gun off
the street like a legitimate like
violent felon off the street like the
idea that like you don't want Cops to do
that it's like what do you want Cops to
do like like I'm I'm just curious um Ray
Kelly says does just this cop does this
channel support cops oh that's such a
good question here's what we support we
support honesty and we support what the
truth is because we post body camera
video all the time you know I want to
say that our number one um most watched
body cam video is is a case where a
police officer was arrested for domestic
violence on duty we actually got the
body camera footage of investigators
cutting off his uniform because this guy
was in handcuff so so does that mean
that we don't police officers no we
support good police officers and even
more than that we support the truth we
want our viewers to know hey this is the
reality of what's happening there on the
streets between citizens and police
officers not only is transparency from
the government important but it's
interesting and we want to share
that stuff with you but yes in general
but me Daniel the the retired cop with a
with a law degree I'm just one person
here but yes I am biased I am biased
towards people who have good intentions
and if a police officer has good int
ions they're trying to do the right
thing I'm going to be biased in favor of
them if someone has bad intentions I'm
going to have I'm going to be biased
against them and it and it's perfectly
reasonable for me to say that you know
if if someone is out there committing
crimes and their intention is to try to
commit crimes victimize people and then
get away and and not take responsibility
I'm going to be biased against them if
police officers are sent to that call
and their intention is to try to help a
victim and recover property or you know
hold someone accountable for break
breaking the law and that's the
officer's intention I'm going to be
biased in favor of them and you know
what I think that's a pretty normal
human thing I think it's weird to say to
watch someone walk into a store with the
intention to you know arm to to do
commit an armed robbery against people
at a bank and for people to say yeah you
know I'm kind of biased in favor of the
Armed robber right like that's insane no
one no one says that but that that's a
that's a good question uh let's see
Alabama man says thanks for covering the
Dexter readed case are uh are you going
to review the case uh from Whitley
Indiana not sure Alabama man you put the
name of the person in there I don't know
that off the top of my head uh let's see
zigzag I too I'm a former Leo what I'm
seeing is pure terrorism by our
government uh let's see well I uh I I
disagree um zigzag I I disagree and and
I'm going to use some some data and some
facts here so so zigzag here's the thing
um police officers in the United States
make about 10 million arrests a year 10
million arrests and they are involved in
approximately a thousand fatal officer
involved shootings now if you do the
math on that if you do the math on that
police officers and also they take about
a billion calls for service Nationwide
every year so so okay so we have 10
million we have 10 because Zig so what
because context counts here's why
because you could watch two or three
videos on YouTube and be like Oh all
800,000 police officers are terrible
this is 1930s Germany and I'm going to
be like yeah okay those are two or three
videos on YouTube um we all think
they're bad and but to not put in the
context of hey there's literally
986 million other videos where police do
the right thing that you're going to
pretend don't exist again that's just
incredibly dishonest um so let me go
back go back to my to my cop math here
okay again I'm a retired cop with a law
degree not good in math but you know
police officers make police officers
make 10 million arrests a year and they
are involved in approximately a thousand
fatal officer involved shootings that
means that literally
99.999% of the time when police officers
make arrests there's no fatal officer
involved shooting again I I I get that
you know
99.999 I get that that's not enough for
you you know I just want to I want to
apologize on behalf of law enforcement
the country we'll try to do a little bit
better um but again if there is an
illegal police shooting I'm going to go
ahead and say it we actually cover those
kinds of cases all the time all right so
um let's see okay we're going to go uh
let's talk about oh God we have an
update from a terrible case um oh God I
really uh okay one one more question why
do you only mention fatal shootings um
Cajun Randy yeah I mentioned fatal
shootings because that's what we're
covering today um I think the number of
police shootings is about double that so
it could be it could be 2,000 or 3,000
so yeah it is a little bit more um but
uh yeah I mean I was just thinking about
instances where people actually die at
the hands of police officers but again
Randy if I'm looking at number like 10
million arrests whether it's 1,000 2,000
or 8,000 like again the percentage of it
like the the percentage is still well
over
99.999 where that doesn't happen um so
use whatever number you want that's fine
it's not going to affect it because
reality still matters and the reality is
is that the vast majority of the time
over 99% of the time like you're not
going to be shot and killed by a police
officer and I think we know that as long
as you don't fight with cops run from
police resist arrest as long as you
refrain from those things like your
chances of being shot and killed by a
police officer or harmed by a police
officer are like virtually zero um it
almost never happens I can think of one
case in the last couple years U I can
think of two I can think of two cases in
the last couple years where people
legitimately like legitimately did
nothing wrong and an on duty police
officer shot and killed them so yeah it
does and and we covered those cases and
I say in all those cases I say the
police officer was wrong and the police
officer should be prosecuted because
that's the honest thing to say but again
it's unbelievably rare all right so the
next case we're going to cover is a case
that I I absolutely I I I don't like
talking about it but I think everybody
needs to know what the update is so this
was a case that happened here in New
Mexico uh toum carry New Mexico New
Mexico State Police Officer Justin hair
was shot and killed uh by a career
criminal named Jeremy Smith um so the
last time we talked about this case was
pretty much right after this right after
right after Jeremy Smith um U murdered
uh uh uh Justin ha there is uh there is
some update on this so if you remember
this case so a little bit bit of
background on this case so you know what
happened was that we know now is Jeremy
Smith was from South Carolina he killed
a paramedic uh named a phia Machado 4 um
he killed her he took her car and he
drove across the country while he was
driving across the country it seems like
he was trying to get to Albuquerque
because he knew some people he had some
contacts in Albuquerque um he had some
car trouble a flat tire you know about
two and a half hours or so from
Albuquerque around tuum Cary New Mexico
along I40 um uh you know he was
basically out of his car trying to flag
down Vehicles thankfully no one stopped
to help Mr Smith and um but people did
call into police officers so essentially
New Mexico state trooper Justin ha was
dispatched to help someone out change
their tire that's all he was able to do
um we don't have the body camera footage
yet however the chief of police of the
State Police has you know basically told
us what's on that body camera footage
and it's absolutely horrific you know
essentially what it says is that officer
hair is in the front seats um is in the
front seat of his
um so the FBI also talked about this in
federal court and said that it's that
the body camera footage is absolutely
gruesome um it's absolutely horrible I
it's one of the things I'm I'm not going
to watch it I'm not going to be able to
handle it um but you know the
description of it is bad enough that you
know essentially officer har pulls up on
Mr Smith because you know with the
intention I talked about that earlier
intent matters the intention to help him
now how do we know how do we know that
officer hair had a good intention
because as he made contact with officer
with Mr Smith he stayed in his car he
stayed in his car he didn't jump out of
the car approach Mr Smith with his gun
drawn screaming and yelling you know he
felt comfortable enough with Mr Smith
had the intention to just help the guy
out that officer hair he stayed in the
driver's seat of his car again he just
stayed there like he he didn't see Mr
Smith as a threat um again it it wasn't
overbearing or anything like that Mr
Smith walks out Jeremy Smith walks over
to the passenger side car um and the
last conversation that was relayed by by
the state police chief is basically um
the officer is offering Mr Smith to give
him a ride into town that's the kind of
guy he was that is absolutely the kind
of guy he was he was offering to give
Jeremy Smith a ride into ride into town
to so he could get some help with his
car and it was at that point that Jeremy
Smith pulled out a gun and like a
coward shot officer hair right
there um he then went around to the he
then went around to the to the driver's
side and he shot officer hair again um
left him for dead on the side of the
highway um uh Mr Smith uh he uh somehow
made it to Albuquerque there was a call
for service where a really heads up
person who works at at a convenience
store saw Jeremy Jeremy Smith saw him um
a dis police officers or deputies with
the Burn Leo County Sheriff's Office
they were able to um they were able to
locate him they end up in a foot chase
and during the foot chase uh Jeremy
Smith pulled out he started to reach in
for his handgun as he started to reach
for a handgun there was an officer
involved shooting an officer shot him in
the arm um I believe we have some you
can see the footage on that I think it's
on uh I think it's on really really
great uh local news site called a ABQ ra
um but uh it should say that uh right
you know so he wasn't just reaching for
the handgun he actually grabbed the
handgun and had it in his hand and then
threw it kind of as the officers were uh
were were shooting at him um he was hit
four times um in in the arm um and and
you know the body camera footage what I
want to say about this the main thing I
want to say about this case is that what
is incredible that is just unique to
policing then it it doesn't happen in
any other profession so again Jeremy
Smith he killed a paramedic he killed a
police officer now he's on the Run
pulling out a gun as other police
officers are trying to are trying to get
him into custody police officers shoot
him in the arm and immediately as soon
as he is shot police officers
immediately the the deputies run up to
him they search him and they immediately
start rendering Aid they put on they put
on chess seals and they do they do a
tourni kit essentially they save his
life and you know what if the roles were
reversed if the roles reversed Jeremy
Smith would not hesitate to murder every
single cop that was on scene and the
police officers they know that they know
that in the moment and yet they worked
hard and diligent and saved his life
anyway and that is unique to policing
that is something that no other
profession does and that's something
that we don't talk about a lot and
that's why police officers this is such
an interesting and difficult job because
of what police officers have to do um
the life saving from these officers um
again police officers SA even the
worst lives and that's what they
did in in this case but um if you
haven't had a chance um maybe we can put
a link in there to to the body camera
video um it's absolutely it's absolutely
incredible um so right now um so Mr
Smith he was in the hospital for a
couple days he's now out um he's in he's
in jail here in the Mexico and um he's
facing federal charges of a carjacking
resulting in death and discharge of a
firearm during a crime once though he's
actually in a federal jail here in in
New Mexico um uh after he deals with his
federal charges he's going to be facing
murder charges and I'm sure of slew of
other charges um for the death of
Officer Justin hair and then he also has
a 17 felonies he's facing in connection
with the death of paramedic uh phenia
Machado 4 from South Carolina all right
let's see if we have any uh any uh
comments on this case again I don't I
don't like talking about this case um it
hits home you kind of like I said before
you know it's like police officers I
think there's been uh yeah I saw the
numbers I saw the numbers the other day
I think it's been you know 64 police
officers have been shot in the line of
duty so far this year which is um
absolutely that that's out of control
and so it happens it happens often it
happens too much but you know when it
happens close to home it just hits it
hits closer to home and that was the
case here for me for me for me with this
case because again the the initial where
officer hair was killed about two and a
half hours away and he was apprehended
about 20 minutes from my house uh let's
see if we have any questions on this so
just so you know in this case I'm not
going to read any stupid questions all
right uh let's see um
uh let's see chasing Legend says if it
wasn't for cops protecting this country
it would be a real hole Yeah
chasing Legends thank you so much no I I
agree 100% because we know what happens
um we know what happens when there
aren't police officers protecting we
have all kinds of data on this and and
listen and if you don't believe me I've
linked it a couple times before but
there's a guy named Peter Moscow um he's
actually a professor of uh criminal
justice over um a professor of Criminal
Justice over at uh uh John J College in
New York Peter Moscow on Twitter he's uh
like a a PhD uh a police you know
criminal justice researcher he has
linked all of the different studies that
show what happens in real life when like
police officers like pull back in how
violent violent crime um goes up I mean
there's all kinds of studies I've read a
lot of them you can read them for
yourself it it's not it's not
controversial that's the facts chasing
Legend says how do you prepare yourself
for something that especially uh when
you're just trying to help someone oh
chasing Legends that's such a good
question listen it's it's really
difficult you know the only thing that I
can say to that is so the way that
officer hair conducted this contact and
and I've done it too right um in in the
sense that let's say let's say someone
someone calls about who knows what and
you get there you know there were a lot
of times working on patrol and uniform
for 15 years like I did where you get up
to a call and whoever calls you know
start starts walking towards you and you
just go it's 100 degrees outside
you know I'm tired I'm at the end of a
10-hour shift and you know you do what
officer hair did you just sit in your
car and you let the other person come
and talk to you kind of through the
window like that literally happens for
almost every police officer every shift
especially if there isn't like if it's
not a traffic stop if it's not like you
know a that you're the suspect of a
crime if you're just a normal person
like most of the time like yeah I'd let
someone do that now if I if the person
looked weird or Shady or they were armed
well yeah of course then you hop out and
you talk to them like that because you
had a severe disadvantage sitting in
your car so the only thing I could say
is that you know even in situations
where you don't think like you're in
danger situations like like that like
get out of the car don't don't stay in
your car um and again that just shows
that like you know officer hair saw Mr
Smith as someone that he wanted to help
you know um so it's uh it's it's it's
really uh it's it's it's really
difficult and uh yeah I mean it just
shows that even a even even a shark
could kill you in in New Mexico um it's
it's a it's a difficult thing um so
there's always danger um there's always
danger doing this kind of stuff even
with people who you don't think um might
might want to harm you or you're there
like again you're literally just there
to help someone change a tire all police
officers have done that um that that
that's a really good question you know
and and here's the thing when I I've
said this before chasing legends that if
someone has the intent and they say you
know what I'm going to talk about intent
a lot think it's important you know what
I'm going to do I'm going to kill the
next police officer I see whether you're
I mean as a police officer you can't be
in COD right all the time you can't pull
up to every single tra every single time
you're driving around for 10 hours every
time you come to a red light you can't
pull out your gun and looking around all
crazy crazy like you you there's no way
to survive doing that right um so it's
one of those things where if someone
says I have the inent I'm going to kill
the next police officer there's almost
nothing that a police officer can do
you're always going to be reacting to
something that someone does to you it's
the same thing on a traffic stop now on
a traffic stop you could be in a
situation where okay like I'm
approaching a car I don't know who this
person is like you can be a little more
aware and again they're in the car
you're standing up you have a little bit
of an advantage but again if someone
says hey I'm going to shoot this cop
when he's 5 feet away there's nothing
you could do because I promise you
rounds are going to be coming at you
before you can draw out and fire back
and um yeah it's a it's a difficult
thing but something all police officers
um you know basically have to make make
peace with that this is the kind of
thing that could happen while they're
just trying to help people like officer
hair um okay uh any other questions on
this let's see Joe Cool says um
all right uh no no other questions um no
other questions on this on this case
um yeah okay no we're going to go to
this next case so this next case you
know it uh this next case hasn't made
national H news yet but I'm covering it
because I'm one of the first ones to to
cover it I think I put up a story on
Twitter and on and on on Instagram and
uh Instagram and Tik Tok about this case
um so I have a I have a I have a pretty
good Network that I know of people who
live in Grand Rapids Michigan I'm not
from there I never worked there but I
got real involved and still am with the
Christopher sh case um so Christopher
Sher is a police officer in Grand Rapids
mission who is uh facing charges it's
probably one of the most unjustified
cases of a police officer facing charges
it's absolutely uh uh ridiculous and
it's a it's a real miscarriage of
Justice um so that case happened in
Grand Rapids Michigan so I got pretty
involved with a lot of people who are
advocates for officer Chris Sher so
whenever something happens in Michigan
these same people kind of follow all
these things so um two days ago um two
days ago um that was actually yesterday
so yesterday morning I was alerted by
some of some of these people out in in
Grand Rapids Michigan that there was an
incident where someone died in police
custody and you know within uh a couple
hours of this person dying in police
custody that they were already protests
um and again like so they gave me they
gave me the where the location happened
they gave me the name of the person who
died um in a Google search a hundred
different ways I literally couldn't find
any information about it um except that
they were able to share a Facebook page
with me um of someone who was organizing
uh organizing a protest over this case
so um again that was yesterday morning
where I started covering it and um um
you know they're trying to get Ben Crump
involved so let me just tell you what
happened so this happened in Kentwood
Michigan an individual Named Sam Samuel
Sterling his middle name is dejon and
apparently that's what he likes to go by
so Samuel dejon Sterling is an
individual who had felony warrants um
police officers were trying to make an
arrest uh for these for these felony
warrants which is again a reasonable
thing for police officers to do again
like like if you don't want police
officers to try to arrest people who
have felony warrants then what do you
want the cops to do and let me just
explain really quick about you know how
you get to be you know the status of
someone who has a felony warrant well
the first thing you have to do is you
have to commit a felony right you have
to commit a felony and then a judge has
to say that there's actually probable
cause that you did it not that you're
guilty Beyond A Reasonable Doubt but a
judge has to look at the evidence and
agree hey there's probable cause that
you committed this felony so now you're
in the court system and then you have to
miss a court date so you have this court
date in front of this judge and I know
all the people watching this could you
imagine having a court date for a felony
and just saying you know what I'm not
going I I don't take this seriously
like again that's that's that's pretty
awful that's the kind of person we're
dealing with so you commit a felony a
judge says there's probable cause that
you committed it and then you don't go
to court so that's the kind of person
we're dealing with so again if you don't
want police officers to you know try do
and the remedy for that is you know a
judge issues a warrant and they tell
police officers hey go find people who
have warrants bring them to us so again
if you don't want police officers to go
after people who have felony warrants
I'm not sure what you want police
officers to do but my guess is that if
you or your family were the victim of
someone who committed a felony against
your daughter you would want one of the
maybe one of the few things you would
want police officers to do is to maybe
one of the things that uh that that you
want police officers to do is you know
get those people so they can go back
into the court um anyways so this guy
dejon had a felony warrant um police
officers tried to arrest him and instead
of cooperating uh he like a reasonable
human would he decides he's going to
resist arrest and run from police
officers there is a there is a Chase and
somehow during the chase an unmarked
police car smashes into dejon or he runs
in front of the police car and he
basically gets pinned to a Burger King
um and he does he does die from his
injuries um and listen that's all we
know so couple things we don't have any
video of what happened we don't have any
Witnesses um yeah and and I mean I guess
that's one way to have it your way but
we don't have any we don't have any
video of what happened we don't have any
Witnesses saying what happened and we
don't have any official comment from the
police giving their side of what
happened that we have literally have no
information besides what I just said
like and again we have no other
information on what we just said despite
that there were protests the night that
this happened and here's what these
protesters wanted they were saying that
the police officers murdered dejon and
they were saying that they wanted the
killer cops to be in jail now here's the
thing I don't know if police officers
did the right thing or the wrong thing I
don't know if police officers followed
policy or if they follow the law maybe
they broke policy maybe they broke the
law I don't have any idea and you know
what it's okay to say that it's okay to
have a situation like this and to not
jump to conclusions but here's how you
know that these anti- police activists
are incredibly dishonest because just
because a black guy is killed by police
officers they literally have no
information about it and they're calling
it murder and saying that they want the
cops in jail with no facts so I guess my
point is that no matter what the facts
are maybe it's it's a Dexter Reed who's
shooting at police officers and it
doesn't matter what the facts are
they're going to say that it's not
justified either way and that's the
problem it's not that you criticize
police it's that the criticism is
dishonest if you think police officers
did something wrong wrong that's fine
let's talk about it say hey police
officers they broke this policy they
broke this law police officers had this
training and they didn't do it they did
that in said that is honest criticism
and that's where we can have a good
discussion anytime someone dies by
police officer saying that all the
police officers are bad or racist again
it's not honest and more importantly
it's not interesting so you I'm going to
end this by saying I don't know what
happened in this case but what I do know
is that honest people they wait until
the evidence is in before they make a
call before they have an opinion on a
Case all right we're going to read a
couple more comments on this and this
case is one I'm going to be following
Kentwood Michigan because especially if
Ben Crump is involved um I do expect it
to blow up um all right let's see uh
okay now now we'll read maybe maybe some
some silly comments here uh Steve says
I've lived in a few places with little
to no law enforcement and I felt more
safe because you can lose your life over
a burned out light bulb in the land of
Freedom okay all right Steve so let's
let's talk about this um so I get it but
again Steve it's a little it's a little
dishonest and I know you don't want to
be a dishonest guy here's why so so
let's go to the south side of Chicago
Steve so in Chicago all right um in
Chicago there were about 300 murders
last year um how many of those do you
think were like illegal murders by
police officers so I'm I'm saying like
what what percent so there would have to
be three illegal police shootings in
Chicago in order for it to be 1% of the
problem so again that that's why this is
just it's just so dishonest now we can
all say that yes yes we want police
officers to follow the law we all agree
there but to pretend that like you're at
more risk of being shot and killed by a
police officer for no reason than a gang
banger in Chicago again it's just
factually not true 300 murders in
Chicago and again there would have to be
three illegal police shootings in order
for it to be 1% of the problem not 20%
of the problem or 90% of the problem for
1% of the problem and I can tell you
there were not three illegal police
shootings last year um there weren't I
know that because the the the the
liberal mayor who doesn't really like
the police officers and the The Da uh
Kim Fox who is not a fan of police
officers in Chicago again she you know
isn't um she isn't uh uh you know if
there's anything even controversial
she'll go ahead and charge a cop and
there weren't um so so yeah um let's see
Steve says southside of Chicago is a
cakewalk compared to noo New Mexico I
guess Steve but um you know just so you
know Forbes Magazine actually just did a
study on this and they said that New
Mexico per capita is the most violent
state so um yes I would I per I've lived
in both places I would rather walk
around bad neighborhoods in Albuquerque
before I were before I uh uh before I
walked around bad neighborhoods of
Chicago um but um you know like I said
they they just they oh he said he said
Mexico sorry chasing Legends well yeah I
don't I I don't know um yeah yeah I mean
I mean it's uh uh they're all they're
all violent and again and again it's
like pretending that police um uh and a
lot of times in Mexico the cartels
actually control crime um but it's like
pretending that police are like this
huge part of the problem I again it's
just factually not true um and that's
where I think we should stay again let's
call out bad shootings I'm good with it
let's call out bad police shootings but
again pretending that that's like the
biggest problem again Memphis Tennessee
had uh Memphis uh Memphis Memphis
Tennessee had uh you know 450 murders um
again like like the the police are not
the problem places like that uh let's
see pin king all right hey thank you so
much pin king for that uh says there's a
website that tracks uh that info in
Chicago absolutely yeah there's a couple
um that I know that that tracks uh um
murders in Chicago I can't remember
exactly what they are but thank you so
much uh for for the donation we uh we
appreciate it um that that's really kind
of you pin king 554 thank you so much um
all right so that's going to that's
going to uh let's see you know I'm going
to read one more comment and that's
going to be let's see um I agree get the
facts before making a decision even if
uh doing your own research needs to be
okay uh by finding as many sources
possible on facts over feelings oh
autistic sh thank you so much and yeah
you know what so kind of where I am um
um uh uh Mr shill kind of where I am on
this is like if you don't know ask
questions like that's perfectly
legitimate like I don't expect everybody
to sit down and research every single
officer involved shooting and you know
spend a whole lot of time doing this
don't do that you know just have some
information then come and watch our
channel for for the rest of it right but
it's like what I expect if you don't
Alabama man thank you so much if you
don't know ask questions like I said I
don't know a lot about what happened in
this shooting in Michigan I don't know
so I'm asking questions like I asked a
couple on the show hey here's what I
want to know you know because I don't
know so it would be weird for me to have
like a big strong huge opinion on this
Kentwood Michigan case without knowing
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