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e good afternoon this is Daniel here with Copwatch TV I just want to welcome everyone into our live show we're going to break down some of the most important and interesting issues and cases in policing from the last week or so uh if you haven't already please go ahead and subscribe to the channel and make sure that you share it with friends and family while I'm going through some of these stories today one of our favorite things to do is to interact with our audience so definitely put definitely comments so we can go back and forth and really get some different opinions on some of these cases we're going to cover three different cases today and the last two cases that we're going to cover have been pretty popular cases controversial cases that have made at least some local and national news and they are they're pretty controversial cases so I know that as I go through through them that there's going to be some different some different opinions on these cases uh before we get to that why don't you go ahead and put in the chat where you're watching from so so we know exactly who we have in the audience today um again my name is Daniel you can go ahead and follow me just about everywhere over at police law news um so listen we were going to cover three cases today and I I had them all set but one of the cases one of the cases got bumped because uh you know there's there there was a tragic case here in my home state of New New Mexico um earlier this morning so um that's what we're going to start out with today and and listen I know that you know we're pretty much at a record almost every year it seems like in this country we set the record for police officers who are shot and killed in the line of duty and you know when it happens in your state if if you're a police officer or someone you know who uh just supports police officers in general when it's when it's an officer who dies in the line of duty and it's in your state or or in the department that you work for it always hits just a little bit harder um that's kind of what we found out today New Mexico state police reported uh early this morning that a New Mexico State Police Officer just outside of tumari new New Mexico was shot and killed line of duty we don't have a whole lot of information but here's what we know so far so tukum carry is just across uh it's on the east side it's on the east side of the state of New Mexico um you really it's just across the border from Texas um you know if you're familiar with the state of New Mexico at all you know it's about 3 hours it's about 3 hours east of Albuquerque um all we know so far is that there was a traffic stop uh during uh during uh during the uh during the traffic stop um the state police officer was and this happened around 5:40 in the morning uh during the the traffic stop uh the the offender um he shot and killed uh the the officer we don't have any of the details um we do know that the offender is not in custody um the New Mexico State Police on their Twitter page they did go ahead and release some still photos from dash cam so it looks like that the the dash camera of the police car was running and they didn't release any footage but they they did release some still frames of of the individual um all we know so far is that he is not in custody and as you can imagine there is going to be a large police effort in order to catch this offender and you know really it's just uh we know that he is a black male uh uh adult um that's that's all the information that we have so far um and you know that's from the the still photos um that that we have that have been released um state police tactical units from really all over the State um have converged on the small town of T tuum KY flooded the area so my guess is he will be caught sooner rather than later but you know anytime that you have a situation like this where you have someone who just you know killed a police officer you know they're they're hiding they really have nothing to lose um so this is a situation that is obviously really dangerous for the police officers and there are going to be dozens hundreds of police off maybe likely hundreds of police officers who are going to descend to this area to do an area search in order to try to get this guy Cene and I just have just a message for them and not just in this case but in all cases where police officers are searching for Dangerous offenders like this where they have nothing to lose and that message is kill them before they kill you and you know it hits different and every life is valuable but it hits different when someone dies in the line of duty someone who you know is out there Pro protecting us because the good guys aren't supposed to die all right so that's uh again that was uh not how not how I wanted to start the day um not how I wanted to to start the day I was looking to cover other cases um but uh we will keep you updated on that you know my guess is by the time we're back here here next week um hopefully the next couple hours this individual is apprehended by police um all right so now we're going to get into the other cases all right so the other case um that I've really been focusing on most of the week up until this morning um is a case that happened in San Bernardino County California um so I did a couple videos on this that I put up on Tik Tok and Instagram um I covered it a bunch on Twitter as well and you know it's it's every now and then I'll put up a video I I typically do daily content but you know every now and then I put up a video about a case and and I write an article or something like that and there's just a lot of feedback with people from both sides really going at it and this is one of those cases it has made national news but those of us kind of in this space who cover these issues you know really almost as soon as they happen kind of in real time you know um it it's really been taking over the last the last couple days or so so so let me explain to you what happened so this happened on March 9th of this year in San Bernardino count County California so essentially this started out with a call for service uh deputies with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office were sent to a home in reference to a domestic dispute essentially the remarks on the call uh were that the family called um uh in reference to their 15-year-old son Ryan Gainer now a couple things about Ryan Ryan is 15 years old and he has autism um reportedly is at least what was told to the 911 operator that Ryan was attacking family members including his younger sister and he was smashing property inside the house uh so deputies are dispatched to that call at least two different deputies were dispatched to that call which you would expect in order to go to a domestic disturbance like this so when the deputies arrive on scene they see a couple things they pull up and they notice that the door to the house is wide open which you know isn't typical you know most of the time even when there's a domestic dispute the front door to the house isn't open so you know that's that's that's a little strange right there also deputies could hear a commotion coming from right inside the house um as one of the deputies starts to approach the walkway to to to the front door um the deputy can see that there's basically broken glass you know as you're as he was approaching as he was approaching the front door he could look inside the house and see just broken glass and just everywhere in the house so you know and the reason why I'm saying that is because a lot of times when people call 911 or or they report things from the person who calls to the the call taker to the dispatch to the officer it's kind of like a game of telephone and sometimes you know the information isn't always correct well this is a case where okay now police officers kind of have an idea that you know well maybe what was or it's likely what was told to the 911 operator is what we have here because they they they have a commotion inside and they could see broken glass um pretty much everywhere inside of the open door uh the the police off officer uh does uh start to yell as he's approaching the door he doesn't walk into the house and he yells where is he you know essentially CU he can hear a commotion and he's he's likely saying you know where is Ryan you know the individual who's causing these kinds of problems it's reasonable for the police officer to ask that because the door is open so maybe Ryan ran out of the house maybe he was in the backyard maybe he was at a neighbor's house so so you know the police officer is pretty much the first thing that the deputy is trying to get a hold of is where is Ryan so he yells out where where is he it's at that point that Ryan Gainer um uh he basically just appears um in the uh in in the doorway and he's holding uh a five foot long hola ho now I didn't know what I could see this is all in body camera video but I didn't know what a hola ho was but essentially it's like a gardening tool and that's how they've been describing it which is a little dishonest which you know I'll I'll I'll get into kind of on the back end of this but it it it's basically like uh it's basically like a shovel with like a sharp blade at the end um yeah and and I know and I know what you're thinking that hula ho sounds like a Rony porn character I get it but it's really it's like a it's like a it's like a shovel with a sharp blade at the end it's 5T long um so that is a deadly weapon I mean the way that you have to look at whether or not something is a deadly weapon it's a really easy question that you have to ask yourself if someone bashes you in the head with this thing are you going to die or suffer serious bodily injury if the answer is yes then we're going to go ahead and consider that a deadly weapon does it mean that it's always a deadly weapon no just like a baseball bat is every baseball bat you know being used as a deadly weapon no of course not but if someone is coming at you with a baseball bat well then absolutely that would be considered a uh that would absolutely can be be considered a uh a dead dead deadly weapon um also you know so it's uh so it's so what we have to think about here is the the the Pol another opinion to think about is that guns being turned into gardening tools and still being a deadly weapon so what what we have to think about here is that you know as Ryan uh basically gets into the the doorway of the house he immediately starts to run at the cop holding this five foot long basically the shovel and the officer really doesn't have any time to react and the officer at this point basically has two choices the officer can either stand there stand his ground draw out and you know use some kind of force against Ryan or the officer can try to gain distance to try to you know hopefully do something by gaining distance and that's what the police officer the the deputy right there decides to do he starts as soon as Ryan starts chasing him with this 5 foot long shovel the deputy immediately turns around he draws out his handgun and he starts running away as he's running away you know basically he's running for his life at this point he's still saying you know pretty reasonable things to Ryan he tells him to stop and then he says if you don't stop you're going to get shot it's at that point another another deputy on scene um who's kind of on the side um he he recognizes that there's a deadly threat that the one Deputy is being chased by uh Ryan Gainer uh who is with a shovel and you know he's the he's pretty close to to the deputy with this shovel you know basically you know trying to trying to knock his head off with this thing and it's at it's at that point that um it's at that point that the the the deputy does he recognizes a deadly deadly uh s deadly a deadly threat and he utilizes deadly force um he fires three times Ryan is shot and he is killed and um that's a pretty controversial thing because it's a 15-year-old and listen nobody wants a 15-year-old to die I mean that that isn't that isn't that isn't the case here but if we're looking at this from a legal aspect you know basically the way we look at this is you know was was there reasonable belief that the police officer was in danger of death or great bodily injury so that's the question and and the answer is of course yes of course the answer is yes so obviously this is a legal officer involved shooting there's a couple there besides just you know having you know you don't even have to have a law degree you don't have to be a police officer just common sense you can watch us and say well I mean of course that's a that's a legal officer involved shooting and that's a reasonable use of force and you know there are there are are there's another way that you know that this is probably a legal use of force as well so California is one of those states that really isn't great when it comes to releasing body camera video think about this how long did it take for us us here at Copwatch TV we tried to get the footage news organizations all around the country tried to get the footage of the Paul Pelosi case in California and it took months it took months in order to get all of that all of that stuff and I just should say that you know when Camala Harris was attorney general she was the one one of the ones who basically set that policy to make it really difficult to get body camera footage there's a couple states where it's hard to get body camera footage California and Texas it's difficult news organizations to get body camera footage other states it's actually really easy to get body camera footage New Mexico um for for example is is is great Florida is great Arizona as well um but California is one of those states where you know it's not easy to get body camera footage and they usually hold it up however this body camera footage was released within 2 days 48 hours after the officer involved shooting and this body camera footage this body camera footage was public so you have to look at it this way so people from the sheriff's department and the attorneys and the politicians who run the sheriff's department saw the body camera footage and they were like oh yeah this is going to this is going to exonerate us let's get this out quick which is what they should do I mean in my opinion as I've said before I like transparency yes of course you know I'm here on a body camera Channel and but you know it it just for transparency it's always preferable that whether it's shows police officers in a good light or in a bad light what we care about is truth what we care about is what really happen what really happened and um so you know no matter how it is we want that body camera footage out as quickly as possible but what we but again when they release it within 48 Hours especially in California you have to know okay they saw this and they know this exonerates the the the the the police officer and it absolutely does so um you know so what's the problem with this case you know so why is it controversial you know that's a that's a good question because again the body camera footage is out there it's not like I'm describing something that you know that I saw no one else has access to no the body camera footage is completely out there the body camera footage and it again it's not like the the police officer was there and was negotiating with with Ryan and he was kind of standing there and M Milling around and tried to walk away no no like police officers actually weren't even able to have any kind of contact or the dialogue with him because as soon as he he he as soon as he stepped into the doorway he immediately within a second started to chase after the police officer with this giant shovel so again it's like there's there's no way for an officer to deescalate that situation at all so again like and again we have video of it so what's the problem with this case so the reason that the problem with this case is how it's being described so there there's a there's a a news organization called democracy Now between Instagram and Twitter they have nearly two million people who follow them and here was their headline listen to what their headline was their headline said in San Bernardino County East of Los Angeles a 15-year-old black teenager with autism was shot dead Saturday at his home by a sheriff's deputy Ryan Gainer reportedly was holding a gardening tool when he was fatally shot by a deputy holding a reportedly holding a gardening tool now this article from democracy now came out after the body camera footage was re released so that's my question so there are millions of people who are out there who are only going to read that headline that a 15 y- old black kid with autism a 15-year-old black kid with autism was reportedly we're not even sure we're not even sure if it happened he just reportedly was holding a gardening tool when he was shot by a police officer first of all he wasn't just holding it he was chasing an officer with it and he definitely did it and also he so it's it's it's a little and they call it a gardening tool now when you say gardening tool that's a little disingenuous because a gardening tool could be anything again this was like a 5 foot long shovel so the the idea that it is is that they are trying to to create a narrative out there um it's like saying oh he was armed with with a just a small knife or a pocket knife you know well like again like we have video of this we know what this thing looks like so that's that's the problem that's really why I've been I've been on this case because again there's millions of people who will read that description and will have it in their head that police officers sheriff's deputies in uh San Bernardino California shot a 15-year-old black kid with awesome with autism because he was holding a gardening tool again that is incredibly dishonest if it's difficult to have a reasonable conversation with people or a debate with people if they won't if they're going to be so biased like that and I just I think that's just it's it's it's pretty uh it's a it's a ridiculous thing uh so now let's talk about so let's talk about some of the issues so again I said I did go back and forth on social media with people on this case throughout the week and there were a couple different themes questions comments that people had in the first one and this is a question that I've answered a lot of times and I don't mind answering this question because here's the thing if you don't know something if you don't have any education training or experience on a subject it it's my opinion again everyone has Free Speech but it's my opinion that you know you should more ask questions instead of make you know very confident statements here's what I mean by that I have zero experience when it comes to uh being in in in Auto when it comes to fixing cars I have zero experience I also have zero experience when it comes to baking so the example that I use is it would be strange for me to watch a YouTube video on an auto on on an auto worker who is you know fixing a carburetor and for me to say that he's doing something wrong you know again I have no education or experience on this but you know so it's like I would be in a position where I would go ahead and ask questions I wouldn't make confident statements especially when the person on the other side you know has 20 years of experience but it's weird with policing because people have watched Training Day 58 times they think that they're experts in policing with no education or experience to back it up but so that's when I that's why I appreciate when people ask questions instead of just make you know um confident ridiculous and bold statements and one of those questions is why didn't the police officer use a Taser you know that's actually a reasonable question and i' I'd like to answer that question so here's why a taser would not be the appropriate weapon system so we're going to start at the beginning of this so tasers fail to have the desired effect meaning you know work for one reason or another um about 40% of the time there's a study done by APM reports on uh in in in Los Angeles between like 2016 and 2019 covering you know hundreds of applications of tasers and they found that you know about 40% of the time tasers don't work um or don't have the desired effect now that doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with the Taser Taser is a great company and and in my opinion taser is the best less lethal option that police officers currently have and it's not close so it's not always the device's fault the reason why is if someone is wearing heavy clothing that it's it in in the the taser prongs like so I have a sweater on and then I have a a t-shirt on underneath if the taser prongs get me in the sweater here you know it's it's probably going to be affected but let's say I have on a big winter jacket if I have on a big winter jacket and and the those probes hit the winter jacket there isn't isn't a guarantee it's going to you know have the the desired effect also uh basically the way to think about it is when you press the trigger on a taser two different prongs come out so so basically it's not like it's not like a firearm where a police officer has to hit you with one one one projectile the officer has to hit you with two projectiles so basically when you're aiming it you're aiming it two different aim points so so you have to think about this way so you have a moving Target a police officer who's under stress so trying to hit a moving Target under stress on with two different points that's a really difficult thing to do that plus plus the fact that um again that if you're wearing heavy clothing that you know it may not have the desired effect anyways those are some of the reasons so so again we know that there's a 40% chance that uh you know the taser isn't going to have the desired effect well if we all agree that this is a a a life or death situation for lack of a better term again someone has a shovel they're chasing you they're really close and they're trying to hit you basically bash your brains in with a shovel so is that is that a situation where the officer is in you know immediate threat of dying a great bodily injury well I would I would say yes so so now if you're saying that the officer should have used a taser basically what you're saying is that if you use a Taser in a situation like that let's say the taser doesn't work is there time to transition to a firearm well probably not because we know how long that takes we know from holding a taser to drawing a firearm coming up on Target and firing one shot we know that takes almost 2 seconds that has been studied by multiple different people including four signs so that takes approximately it's like 1.75 seconds and that's if you hit with the first shot 1.75 seconds so again is that enough time if the taser doesn't work well again if someone is you know just about to be smashed in the head with with a shovel I mean that's probably not enough time to transition from one weapon system to another another so if you say that the officer should have us utilized the taser basically what you're saying is that hey if we use the taser there's a 40% chance that the officer is going to have his head bashed in with a shovel and that is what we want police officers to do and obviously that's insane there is no police training anywhere in the United States that would say that is the appropriate level of force here's where a taser would have been let's say Ryan exited the house he's holding that shovel and he's standing there let's say police officers tell him to put the shovel down he he's refusing but you know so so basically like he's holding the shovel but he hasn't actively attacked them yet that's when police officers use a Taser that's when a taser is is appropriate because he's standing there he's hopefully not moving and he's not actively attacking at that point if there was that I mean that didn't happen in this case but if that police officer if the if the the officer or the deputy is able to tase him in that moment then Ryan would fall down he'd be under power for at least 5 Seconds police officers can run up get him into handcuffs and then he's safe and he's not going to hurt anyone and most importantly Ryan and the officers are alive so so that's when a taser is appropriate again when someone is bearing down on you with a blunt object that is not a case where any trainer in the United States or any Police Department in the United States is going to tell police officers yeah you know what we think a taser is the appropriate uh is the appropriate thing to do and that's what I always look at if you question what the police officer did go ahead and question but if you want to criticize what the police officer did I think it's important to say I criticize the police officer for not doing to this and then cite to some Authority cite to training site to policy cite to law and if you can do this say hey Dan you know what I think you're wrong because here here's some training that all police officers have and there's best practices say to do this and the cop did this let let's have a discussion there because that's at least an honest criticism of what the police officers did if you just say well the officer should should have used a taser um again like that that that's coming the only people who say that um you know essentially look at it this way literally 100% of the people who say that have zero police training or experience so I mean that should tell you something right there um the other thing that I want to say on on this is that you know there were a lot of different P so taser is spelled t there were a lot of people who commented on my post on my post um throughout throughout the week who basically said uh who spelled it wrong who spelled it t a z r and you know I kind of just have a rule so one of my one of my rules that I like to go by is is if you spell the name of the weapon system in incorrectly I'm just not going to listen to you because it's obvious you've never tried to use the weapon system or have any training or education experience with it um the other thing that that that that people are are saying about this is that well he had autism he had autism so you know and they and they kind of go into a thing where they describe well when when when when you're when you have autism and you're you're having um and you're and you're in one of these things like you may not realize what's going on you may not realize what's going on you know and and and you know that that that's that's the reason that he's acting like that and listen I I get that and we should have sympathy for that the problem is that as a police officer is coming on scene you know and someone is charging at him trying to bash him in the head with a shovel again the police officer can't say oh you you know what yeah this guy this guy might have autism he might have something going on I'll let him knock my head off I mean that that that isn't a thing again that's that that's that's ridiculous we should have compassion there and maybe maybe if there is a fix when it comes to this maybe you know when the when the person calls 911 you know maybe different officers can be dispatched Crisis Intervention and stuff like that but again I'm I'm I'm going to say it again no matter what police officer is there if Ryan runs out and that's what he has and he's chasing two officers um with a with a shovel this is going to be the result the only way around this is to dispatch maybe like six officers two of them have bean bag shotguns one of them has a taser one of them has a 40 and two are less less lethal so if you can dis so if so again it's nice to talk about this in 2020 hindsight right so if police officers had six different officers they're all set up perfectly on the house right where Ryan was going to come out again but police officers aren't psychic also police officers aren't staffed or funded to send six different officers with all these different weapon systems to every single domestic violence call right so it's just it that that just isn't possible but it's weird because the same people who want to defund the police are the same people who are saying that the police should have done something different here when again I I'm telling you what what it would take it would take six different police officers set up around the house with different types of less lethal weapon systems which is more money for for the for these weapons systems and more money to get these officers trained on them for that many of them to have them and again in a place like San Bernardino County there may only be 10 officers on shift at one time in the entire County and again this isn't the only call you can't send six cops to every single call it doesn't make a whole lot of sense uh let's see cjun Randy says two cops can't uh can't something a shovel away from a guy without multiple weapon systems yeah no yeah you're right Randy they they they they can't and again uh cjun Randy if you think that it's easy to disarm a violent uh 15-year-old who is trying to attack you um and and only a couple feet away from you uh with a shovel if you think that's an easy thing to do um I I would just say go ahead and try it and let me know how it goes um it's not going to end up well and um yeah this is an unfortunate situation but really the police officers had no choice um there there was nothing else they can do this is obviously a legal and reasonable officer involved shooting um let's see I don't I don't think I have any other uh I don't have any other thoughts on that case but we're going to go ahead and follow it but again um my my prediction is this is going to be found to be a legal and a reasonable uh officer involved shooting and there really isn't any question about it again if Ryan is standing with a shovel and he's 20 feet away from the cops and he's no one else is in danger and if officers utilize utilize you know deadly force at that point well of course that's not going to be accurate but again if you're running at someone with a shovel with you know reasonable intent to do them harm that's a deadly force situation and again if you think I'm wrong I'm good with it point to the law point to the policy point to the training that back that back up your claim um yeah that that's all I can say about that all right so the last case that we're going to cover here and uh you know this case it didn't really make national news um maybe it did for like a day or so I thought it was going to be a little more a little more uh uh uh I thought this was going to get a a little more traction um but got some pretty strong feelings on this as well so this happened in New Burn North Carolina um so so so basically this is a case about a police officer pushing in in in in an old woman um there's videos of it of it everywhere I put one on my Tik Tok earlier today um so basically Newburn Connecticut um uh and what happened was is police officers were arresting a 50-year-old guy named Christopher honings it's hu n n i n gs maybe it's huntings I don't know let's call him Christopher so police officer were arresting Christopher and he had multiple outstanding felony warrants including a warrant that had been issued the day before for possession of fentanyl so we know that he's an upstanding guy um so police officer this basically starts where police officers make contact with Christopher in a parking lot and they're trying to arrest him and instead of cooperating like a reasonable person because if he did then we would never be talking about this case because literally tens of thousands of people are arrested every single day across the country they don't resist arrest and we never hear about those cases so the 99.9% of cases um well really it's like 90 9 7% so there in 97% of cases police officers don't use any Force to arrest and it is 100% based on the actions of the person that they are arresting um so but this is one of those 3% of cases that you know are interesting and controversial so we're going to go ahead and cover it so so basically you know police officers are trying to arrest Christopher and instead of cooperating like a reasonable person would do um he resists arrest he fights with police officers he starts kicking at them not only does he threaten that he's going to kill uh not only is he going to uh so real quick D says uh yeah D so DL says so basically they they've done studies and what they have found D is that police officers use force in 3% of arrests so about 3% of arrests um police officers have to use some kind of force in order to get those people into arrest I should also say of of that 3% 70% of that is police officers only you using their hands so 70% of the 3% of police officers don't have to use tasers batons mace um Firearms anything like that um so yeah 97% of arrests around the country are conducted without police officers using any Force um and again so 3% of the time people resist arrest that's what all the research says um so that's where I'm getting that number from um so you know so Not only was Christopher um you know resisting arrest kicking up police officers threatening to kill the police officers he was also threatening to kill every member of the police department which uh again isn't a real threat because you know not every member of the police department right there so it's it's more it's more silly um than anything um it was at that point that uh Christopher's elderly mother um her name is othelia not opilia othelia she's in her 80s um you know for some reason she she must have got the idea in her head something to the effect of like you know I just haven't enabled him enough his first 50 years of life what else can I do I'm going to go ahead and get involved in this arrest so police officers are in a parking lot fighting with Christopher to get him into handcuffs I should point out that Christopher also has a pocket knife and one of the things that he's doing is he's trying to reach for that pocket knife as police officer tried to get him into custody so othelia thought it was a good idea to inject herself into this she basically walks right over to the police officers she hovers over them and she starts touching the police officers as they're trying to get um him into handcuffs they're still again he's still reaching for the knife they're trying to get him into handcuffs an officer tells her multiple times to get away to go away and she refuses she tells the officer no it's at that point one of the police officers takes takes his hand and he kind of gives her a light push and I mean and she falls down like LeBron James in the fourth quarter I mean at first it looked like a flop because the first time I saw the video I'm like oh this is ridiculous this person is flopping this is insane but then I learned that it was like an elderly person I go no I mean that's probably what an 86-year-old would look like if you light lightly push them um so she falls down on the ground police officer able to get uh uh Mr uh uh get Christopher into handcuffs he has no injuries which is good police officers have no injuries and the 86-year-old doesn't have any injuries either um so you know there's there's there's there's you know some some controversy of this about what the police officers should do and those are the kinds of questions I'd like to answer so what should the police officers do so they're trying to get a guy into handcuffs um he's reaching for a knife um you can't let him get that knife right so I'm going to I'm just going to go out on a limb and say that you know um uh cjun Randy I'll answer that question here in a second that's a really good question sir um so um I I don't think that the police officers um I don't think that the police officers were physically afraid of the 86 yearold woman I'm just going to go out on a limb okay I'm just going to I'm I haven't called them on the phone or texted with them I'm just going to assume that they weren't physically afraid of the 86y old woman my guess is what the police officers were thinking is that you know if we're having to deal with her and talk to her we can't concentrate on getting this guy into handcuffs because again once he gets possession of that knife now we're in a situation where could be a deadly force situation and police officers are trying to avoid that the last thing they want is for him to get a knife because at that point it might turn into a deadly force situation which nobody wants so again is this how I wanted things to end no I wish that othelia never would have approached the police officers because it's absolutely insane to do that so um and also it's actually more dangerous for her so so think about it you know he is kicking and thrashing police officers are trying to get someone in in into custody and now they have to worry about an 86-year-old woman who is standing there who might be knocked over she might be kicked she could be hit by a she could be hit by a police officer who knows if a police officer is pushed into her what I can guarantee you is that if during the arrest if she got pushed over during the arrest while cops are fighting with this guy it would be way more violent and she would have way more injury than like one light push away um so again it doesn't look great I get it um but uh she was in in my opinion she was in Far More danger being that close to um someone who was resisting arrest than to you know um to just being just being pushed over so um you know I'm I'm 100% good with this uh the lesson to learn is that you know what um the lesson to learn on this is you're just never too old to learn something new um okay so I I don't know if we have any questions uh questions on that um but cjun Randy actually had a good uh question um I'm GNA kind of answer here ad Haw um uh uh kind of the top of my head cjun Randy asked for my prediction on the Brian North case so um I wrote an AR article on the Brian North case um on my substack um about a year ago probably over a year ago when I first heard about this case um I've covered the case multiple times including on the show but obviously I don't expect you to go back and look at shows for a year ago um so so let me um let me do this really quick Randy um so basically Trooper Brian North and Randy please correct me if I'm wrong Trooper Brian North uh it's a Connecticut state trooper the individual's name is mulb solomani I think I'm correct on that um essentially what happened um from the best In My Memory even though this was over a year ago is a Mr solomani um he committed some kind of a robbery um over at over at a cell phone store um then he stole a car and now he's driving this driving the stolen car police officers uh tried to uh stop him um you know he refuses it's a it's a Chase he starts crashing into cars they they allow the chase to go on eventually uh police officer um crashes or uses a pit maneuver somehow um they were able to disable the vehicle so now Mr Sol he is in the front seat of the vehicle he has a knife in his hand and he's basically surrounded by police officers so essentially what happened is Trooper Brian North he is kind of on the driver's side um kind of on the think about it he's like on the driver's side but closer to the front of the car and there's two other officers who are on on the passenger side of the car so Mr solomani he stand he's in the he's in the he's in the front seat of the car with a knife and he's kind of waving it and stuff like this what ends up happening is that the two police officers who are on the passenger side they have a plan to open the passenger side door and this actually isn't a bad idea so here was the plan the plan was that they were going to open the passenger side door and then once the door was open they were going to utilize a taser basically shoot the taser at him he would drop the knife hopefully right I mean if it works it fails 40% of the time but uh you know when he's in a car he's kind of contained right so um you know they're going to open the door they're going to shoot him with the taser he's going to be incapacitated and then once he drops once he drop okay once he drops drops uh once he drops the knife um once he drops the knife you know that that they will be able to get him into custody and cage and Randy um just said yeah the car door was locked so um it actually wasn't the door so that's what I got wrong R it was actually the window so I think they bash out the window correct so so but basically cage and Randy I think the I think my again this I haven't talked about this case in you know over a year but um you know I think the idea was so they were going to shoot him with the taser not through the door but they were going to shoot him uh uh they were going to shoot him with the taser through the open window he being capacitated they be able to get him into custody so um you know basically what what happens as far as I can tell is that from where Trooper North was standing he was able to see the two officers do that well be so the officers you know kind of like start going towards they start going towards the window and as they go towards the window they kind of go out of his view just from where he's standing like with the car blocking it they kind of go out of his View and he's not looking directly at those officers it's kind of in his uh uh uh peripheral vision he's mostly looking at Mr solomani who's in the car and as he's doing this you know that's when Mr solomani takes the knife and he starts going like this with with the knife so Trooper bran North what he thought from what What We Gather is what Trooper North thought is that the officers because he couldn't see them anymore what what he thought is that the officers had entered the car and now they're entering the car and Mr solomani is doing this um that's what he thought so he fired a bunch of shots and Mr Soloman and killed him the thing is is that the the two other officers they never never entered the car um he was mistaken on that fact um just the way it was is that they kind of like they kind of like duck down behind the car and it made it so Trooper North no longer could see them um that happened at the exact same time that solomani started like like like like being really animated with the knife um so Trooper North thought that those two officers were in danger in reality they weren't um he didn't know that at the time um so at the time uh at the time I wrote this article over a year ago cage and Randy I um my my prediction is that Trooper North was going to be found guilty um I do not think that it was a reasonable um objectively reasonable officer involved shooting so I'm I'm going to stick with that I'm going to say that he is going to be convicted I think it's involuntary manslaughter I'm I'm not sure what the exact charges are um but my guess is he will be convicted um uh and I I know I disagree with a lot of people in the police Community about this um you know I've talked with a bunch of them offline and um yeah I I honestly don't think that this was an objectively reasonable officer involved shooting um it just I I I I I don't I don't think it was so um anyways yeah my the good question cjun Randy my my prediction is that he's going to be convicted of something don't know what um but we'll probably have that for you guys next week um all right so that's that's going to be the show um I really appreciate um everybody coming in today um I really appreciate the questions the comments um and again I I like it when we disagree um I think that's interesting um I I I can't say it enough though if we disagree and if you think a police officer did something wrong um I I I again you have free speech but what I think is the most interesting is if you say why is if you say why you think the officer should have done that just like I did with the Brian North case so I don't think that officer Brian North should have utilized his firearm at that point I wrote an entire article um of why of why this whole thing could I think that should have been avoided um so I think that's kind of the the the important criticism to have is to you know question criticize police officers and then say this is what I think they should have done and then point to some kind of authority all right so I listen I hope everyone has a great and safe weekend again hoping that uh the the the individual who killed the to the police officer in New Mexico hopefully he's caught here uh pretty soon we'll have an update on that the next time we're on with you guys um but please everybody have a safe weekend and if you 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