This part is in this property. This is our property. Why you don't stop him in the in that part? >> Oh, you studied criminal justice, >> huh? >> You're a police officer. >> If you don't pro provide the identification, you're out of arrest. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. I have a question. I'm not. >> On January 27th, 2023, an officer is driving through a gated community when he sees a man operating a golf cart on a public roadway. In most areas, golf carts are not allowed on public roads unless they meet specific requirements. He parks at his home and refuses to provide his license. >> Not on community. I've followed you since community. Do >> you have your license, registration? >> I don't have to give you anything on my You're Get off my property. >> Yes, you do. You committed a traffic infraction. >> Okay, good. Send me a ticket. >> I need your license, registration, approval, insurance. >> I haven't I have not committed a crime and I'm not going >> You committed a traffic offense. Yes, you did. >> I did not, sir. Yes, you did. >> I did not, sir. >> Okay. Are you going to turn this into something criminal? >> That's up to you. I'm at my house. If you If you saw me out there, then you got to pull me over out there. >> That's not how that works. A traffic. >> That's not how that works. Remove your vehicle from my >> No. A traffic infraction happened on the roadway. I need your license. >> You're not getting anything. >> I need your license. >> Do not enter my property, sir. >> I am not on I need your license. >> The man continues to refuse to identify himself. He demands a supervisor and both he and his partner argue that the officer has no right to be there. >> Thank you so much. >> I need his license. >> Uh I don't know, sir. >> Okay. I need his license or he's at risk of interfering with an law enforcement investigation. >> Does he want to get arrested for >> what investigation? >> And please move your vehicle out. >> Call Sergeant Garcia. Hey, do you want to come 51 out to me? >> Uh, now I'm inside the gated community, but who's driving on the public road, right? He's refusing to give me his license. >> All right, you're heading out here. >> Okay, >> here we go. Officer, I'm going to ask you again. You're in my driveway. Please move forward. >> You committed a traffic infraction on the public roadway. I respectfully asking you again, sir, if you please I am not my driver. And if there's another >> please move from my you are blocking my driveway. Are am I being detained? >> Yes. I need your license. I need your identity to identify you. >> I need a supervisor. >> You cannot you are not allowed to do that. >> Okay. You can think that. >> I I know I know how the police are working. >> Okay. >> Very well. >> Okay. >> Can you come inside? >> Yes. On our property. You can go back inside. No, he's going to bring a supervisor. I'm not running for anybody. He'll he'll bring a supervisor. >> Okay, sir. >> I'm legally permitted to drive in this in this neighborhood. I'm >> not on public roadways. >> This is not public, sir. >> You were on the public roadway. >> Say, okay. Do you have proof of that? >> Yes, I do. >> May I see it? >> Uh, it's on the body camera. Perfect. >> I can give it to you after you give me your driver's license. >> I'm not giving you my driver's license. >> Okay. >> Why you Why you don't have stopped looking? >> That's what I want to know. If he says that was on the road, >> there are other cars on the road. >> Oh, >> okay. If you don't stop at the right moment, that is not counting. >> That's not how that work. A traffic stop can be initiated anywhere. A violation. >> You do that at that moment. That is mean. You do that when he come back in here in the house. That is mean you don't do that in the right moment. In the right moment when you have to do it. >> Yeah, that's not how that works. >> Well, you don't do it. >> That is not how that works. >> Is this allowed? Are you allowed to block my yard? >> Yes. Okay. You are. >> I'm trying to initiate a traffic stop on you. >> Didn't you on private property? You tried to do it >> because of a violation that occurred on a public roadway. >> You are not allowed to enter private property to come after me. You can't do it. So that's why I ask for there's a supervisor coming. >> Hey, there's a supervisor coming and you could explain this all to him. Then >> you have the moment and the opportunity for do that you don't do it. So that is mean you don't do right your job. >> That is not how that works. >> It is like that. >> It is. >> Okay. It is >> okay. >> The argument then shifts to property lines. He also explains that he is not inside the man's house. The man claims the area is private. >> You're on my property, >> I am. >> I am not giving you permission to enter my property. >> I'm not You're on my property. >> I'm not on your I'm not in your house. >> This is HOA property. >> This community is HOA property. >> No, it's not. >> Yes, it is. >> HOA property? >> No, it's not. >> Yes, it is. >> Okay. This is HOA property. Okay. So, so you're saying that this is not my property. >> This right here is HOA property where you committed a traffic offense is public roadway. >> This part is in this property. This is our property. >> Okay. If you guys want to turn this into something more, >> okay, >> you have to do the right thing. >> Okay. >> You don't do it. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >> Okay. >> You lose that. >> I know you saw everything from inside the house, right? >> Sorry. I am not afraid. I am not afraid for you. I'm here and I'm telling you that if you don't do the things when you have to do that in the moment that you have to do why you don't stop him in that in that part. >> Oh, you studied criminal justice. >> Huh? >> You're a police officer. >> Well, that is not your business. If I know if I not that is not your business. >> Okay. >> Okay. But that is that I'm telling you. >> Okay. I mean, you're trying to tell me how my job works now. >> But you don't do that. >> Okay. >> You do that. >> I don't know what you're saying. I know. You know what I'm saying? >> No, I don't. >> You know what I'm saying? >> No, because you are not >> a traffic infraction. >> Uhhuh. >> You can make a traffic stop >> all the time. But if you don't do that at the right moment, at the right second, you don't do that in that minute. >> Okay. >> Why do you have to wait? >> I'm not here to change your mind. >> No, you don't wait. You wait for to come here. >> I am not here to change your mind. >> You have to change. >> I'm not here to change your mind. >> No, I know. >> And you weren't driving the golf cart, so I don't know why I'm talking to you. because uh you are the law of enforcement and you have to respect for me because you are the law, >> right? Or >> and I'm trying to enforce the law and you're impeding my investigation. >> What investigation, sir? Any part? You don't have any paper. >> Your your supervisor is not here. >> Do I need to pull up? Okay. If I pull up a printed sheet of what law he broke? >> No. If you show me proof of me breaking the law, >> I absolutely will. >> Show me. >> Perfect. >> Okay. And then I'll I'll stop the vehicle. You don't stop the vehicle. You don't stop and you don't ask for the his driver license. You don't do the things that a police officer have to do. >> I asked for his driver's license. You were inside when I'm on private property. You can't ask how to give you that. >> Just because you come to your house doesn't mean it's safe zone. >> I didn't say anything about safe zone. I'm in private property. So >> I am on private. >> Okay. You can have this argument with the sergeant. >> Okay. >> What the judge and everyone. >> Yes. Absolutely. >> Okay. That's fine. We'll send it we'll take it for. >> The man explains his side to another officer who arrives. He argues that if he broke the law, the officer should have stopped him immediately on the road, not after he reached home. >> I pull up here with my son and all I'm trying to do is go inside inside the house and he pulls up in my driveway. I asked him to leave. >> Mhm. >> He said, "I want to see your driver's license." I said, "For what?" He said, "For driving the golf cart." >> Mhm. >> I He said, "It was on a public road." I said, "Well, number one, we're on private property. This is private property. >> I'm more than okay to drive my golf cart on here. It's insured." >> And he wants my driver's license. I said, "Okay, well then, show me what I did wrong." He's saying, "I was following you from somewhere, but there was cars." I said, "Well, I'm not giving you my license for that. I mean, I'm not hiding. This is my house. You find out who I am, but I'm not giving him my license for something. If he if he's saying I was doing something, then he's got to pull me over and he's got to do whatever he's going to do at the time that he thinks that I'm apparently breaking the law. >> So, yeah, inside the HOA communities, you're allowed to. Um, but anywhere like City on Roads like Village Parkway, Community Boulevard, Gatlin Cross, anything else that's not inside like a community area. >> I understand that. >> And then um >> I mean I understand that. [laughter] >> Yeah. I mean to pull me over right here in my house and he wants to put the lights on and make a big commotion blocking my driveway. >> Yeah, he he has um the supervisor on the way also. >> Super. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. I have a trainee and we were close. >> Oh, yes. You don't have to can put it in here. >> Normally, uh we're stopping out stopping the golf crutches. So, a lot of people call them city hall one. It's you can't be on the roadways. >> I am with you. You better do it in the moment. You have to do it. You don't have to wait. You don't have to do this. We respect the law enforcement. >> Absolutely. >> But the thing, you have to do that. If you told me if I am broken the law outside, you have to pull me over and ride away in that. >> That's like telling me, okay, I mean, somebody pull up to your house say, "Oh, you broke you broke the the speed limit on the highway." Well, we're at my house. What are you talking about? You know, I mean, come on. I guess. >> Then the supervisor arrives. At this point, the situation is no longer about a golf cart. It is about refusal to provide identification during a lawful stop. If the driver does not provide identification, he will be arrested. >> So, I'm his supervisor, so I'm going to make I'm going to make one request. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um being in your pulling into your driveway doesn't negate the stop. I'm going to give you the option right now because what's going to happen if you don't pro provide the identification? You're going to have to arrest. We don't want to arrest you under arrest. >> Yes. Would you prefer to present the identification or not? >> That refusal is enough. The supervisor moves in and places him under arrest. The man looks shocked. >> I am I am I have a question. No, no, no, no, no. I have a question. I'm not >> I'm not fighting you. I'm not fighting. Stop. Move away. >> Don't say anything without your lawyer. And they don't have any. So if I give you my driver's license, so if I give you my license, you will permit me, you you will have a conversation with me. I'm asking you about the law. >> You're under arrest. >> The kid is not doing >> resist. Okay. >> I am no responsible. The kids the kids and there >> the kids and there won't resist. >> I didn't tell you no. I said I was going to ask you a question. >> You did tell officer know, right? >> I said I said I want to understand what the law is. That's all I asked. >> Okay. >> At the same time, the woman continues interfering. She keeps arguing with the officers and refuses to step back. The officers warn her, but she does not stop. Because of that, she is also placed under arrest. >> Please. >> Okay. >> Tell him. Tell him that. >> 14 years old here 6 years old. >> Okay. >> Don't leave it alone. >> One second. Let us do one second that time. >> You don't have my kids are inside. Let her. Please. She'll be quiet. She'll be quiet. Please let my kids are inside. I have a six-year-old daughter in there. You can't. Please let her have to find somebody else. >> Let her go. I She didn't do anything. >> Absolutely not. Put her in the car, please. In the car. >> Okay. Can I tell my son? Wait a minute. I have her. Can I tell my son? Let's go. >> I'm not fighting. I'm not fighting. >> Let's go to the car, sir. >> Go to the car now, please. >> The officers stay focused. They guide him toward the patrol car. They explain again that he was legally required to provide identification. >> You came out of my piece of >> We're right here, >> sir. Are you doing this? >> I'm doing this. Please watch the car. >> I asked you. I just said to you if I I said I wanted to make sure that I was that I'm legally required to give you my ID. >> Yes, you are legally required. >> If you would have told me that >> I tried to explain that to you. >> Sir, I told No, no. I was asking for a supervisor. >> Please. >> You would have literally gotten a warning >> and I was trying to do that and give you my license right here. Okay. >> I was Come on, man. >> Why didn't you just s >> I'm not wanting to do any of this. Give >> my kid Give my kid a ride to school. Please. >> Come on, man. >> Don't do that. >> Please turn around. >> Do you have anything on Come on. Do you have anything on you that's going to poke me, stick me? >> I asked for a supervisor. That's all I ask. Sir, >> sir, >> please. Manto man, if you have kids, please don't do this. My kids are inside. >> Listen, all you had to do was right. It's right there. Right there in the front. Simple as to that, sir. >> I don't understand what the point of refusing. >> What was it? No. No. But what I'm trying to tell you is I wasn't trying to refuse it from you, sir. I was asking you if I'm legally required. That's all I was asking. >> He asked you, right? >> I know. >> Well, he asked me, but you also talk >> and I didn't understand what that was. That's why I requested respectfully. I told him respectfully, "May I please speak to a supervisor?" That's all I said. >> There's no going back. Okay. >> All right. Where are my kids? >> Is there So, here's my next question. Is there a relative, a neighbor that you would >> Can you call her? >> Absolutely. Can we just >> She's just being a pain in here. She's just being a pain. That's all, >> sir. Okay. Can you do me that favor? I'll go. >> She can't put her hands on officers when they're trying to >> She wasn't trying to put her hands to hurt anybody. Come on, sir. >> No. No. I I never said she was. All right. But she can't. >> And I respect that, sir. I apologize to you, man. Can you please let her stay with your kid? >> No, sir. >> Please, sir. >> Who Who am I calling for? >> 703. And who is that? >> That's That's their mother. >> Okay. >> She's right down the street. Can you call her? >> And why is this guy walking? >> I couldn't tell. >> Huh? >> Uh, well, yeah. I got pulled over for driving a golf cart. >> What's the name of the mother? >> I'm getting arrested and I I just show you how >> he's throwing me in the Yeah, my kids are for driving the golf cart. >> In the back of the patrol car, the man keeps trying to explain himself. >> Okay, get your extra and push me in like you want to. Go ahead. Why would I do that? >> Oh man, I got kids. Why you got kids? I asked for you know why. Just like you. >> Respectful to you. >> You were. I was respectful to you, too. Didn't I tell you nicely? >> Can you make sure Please don't leave until my kids are here. >> We are not going to go anywhere. >> You cannot leave until my >> We are not going anywhere yet. >> Where is my phone? You took my phone out of my pocket. >> Yes, I have that. >> Where is it? >> It'll be going with you to St. Lucy County Jail. >> I need to see it. >> It will be going with you to St. Ly County Jail. >> Okay. Hope you feel good, man. Doing that to somebody with kids. >> Both of the individuals were charged with resisting an office and obstructing without violence. The man was also issued a traffic citation for operating a golf cart on a public roadway. Let me know what you think about this one. Should the officer have handled it differently, or did the couple bring this on themselves? Drop your thoughts in the comments. See you in the next time.