good afternoon this is Daniel here with
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here's an example so the first case that
we're going to talk about and I'll get
to it here in a second it's an officer
involved shooting involving an
individual named Leonard cure well I did
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good to see you thank you so much for
joining in our show we've got uh r s
from Texas we have uh someone from uh
Sandra is from Ohio we have uh Carrie
from Birmingham Alabama abama and we
have cjun Randy from Southeast Louisiana
cjun Randy it's good to see you in the
show a lot of times we don't agree but
that's okay I like to have the
conversation because I think it's
interesting all right so okay so the
first thing that we're going to get into
today this first case that we're going
to talk about is the Leonard cure
officer involved shooting that occurred
in Camden County Georgia and we have Dan
Klein is coming from down the street
good to see you Dan all right so the
first case that we're going to talk
about is the Leonard cure officer
involved shooting this happened in
Camden County Georgia now my
understanding is that Camden County
Georgia is right across the border from
Florida and this is a controversial
officer involved shooting for a lot of
different reasons the first reason that
it's controversial not only is Ben Crump
involved in this case but Leonard cure
aside from this traffic stop that
happened last week he's a sympathetic
guy so this is someone that you know
really all of us should feel sorry for
him you know we should want someone like
Leonard cure to succeed to have a good
life to do good things and here's why
because Leonard cure was convicted of
felonies back a while ago and he
actually did 16 years in prison for a
crime he didn't commit in 2020 Leonard
cure was actually exonerated from all of
the charges you know basically the state
came out and said that he was unlawfully
and and wrongfully convicted of the
charges he did 16 years in prison for a
crime he didn't commit now that's
something I can't even imagine and what
that might do to someone psychologically
especially as we're going to get into
this case what that might do to someone
when they have future contact with La
enforcement you know what might that do
to someone and uh you know that that is
a that's that that's a real issue that
we have here coming up in this case um
so you know he was exonerated about
three years ago and one of the things
that he's been doing the last three
years is he goes around and he speaks
which is a good thing because listen if
you're in prison for 16 years and you
weren't supposed to be there you might
have some really interesting things to
say your experience is something that I
think everyone can gain value from so
the last 3 years or so Mr cure has been
going around he's been talking to
community groups and student groups you
basically sharing his story you know he
said that uh his family said that you
know he was going to go back to school
to take some college courses on like uh
uh producing music but but either way
again this is a guy that we should all
be rooting for right anyone who cares
about Justice in the Constitution should
be rooting for someone like Mr Kure that
is until last week so last week uh last
week October 16th um he was driving on
Highway 95 um there was a deputy with
the with the the Camden County Deputy
Aldridge with the Camden County
Sheriff's Office um and we do have body
Cam and dash cam footage of this so uh
Deputy Aldridge was driving in the in
the right lane on Interstate I95 as he
was driving in the right lane a white
pickup truck past him driving well over
a 100 miles an hour um compared to what
the deputy said now we don't know ex
excuse me we don't know exactly how fast
the vehicle was going but we do know
that the deputy was probably traveling
probably traveling um what that speed
limit is and um vilified Freedom give us
a Super Chat Ohio right here thank you
so much vilified Freedom we absolutely
appreciate that thank you for loving the
channel we appreciate all of the kind
words um hey how's it going Steve so
okay so what happened in this case that
the depuy's traveling in the right lane
again we can't verify at least right now
how fast the white truck was going that
passed him but you can see on dash cam
video that it pass the deputy like the
deputy standing still so if the speed
limit is 65 or 70 M an hour you can you
just with your bare eyes you can just
see that this car is definitely
traveling 20 30 mph faster than the
deputy so the deputy initiates a traffic
stop the vehicle doesn't stop right away
Deputy has to turn on not just lights
but Sirens but eventually the vehicle
stops at that point the deputy um
approaches the car and he makes contact
with the driver who ends up being
Leonard cure the individual who had been
in prison for 16 years he wasn't
supposed to be there he was exonerated
he's been three he's been free about
three years now now we're going to break
this down kind of Step by Step because
there's a lot of criticism of the police
officer and I'm not going to hold anyone
in suspense in my opinion this is
absolutely 100% a lawful and reasonable
officer involved shooting I mean it just
is and again we have objective body
camera video to show it but there are
some criticisms of the police officer as
we go through it so I'm not just going
to say what happened and say the case is
Justified we're going to walk away from
it no if a police officer makes a
mistake or does something tactically
that I think is an error now maybe
people who are watching this don't think
it was a tactical error and I'm really
happy to hear from too so let's get into
the first part of this traffic stop so
typically when police officers make
traffic stops they do it you know just
about the same way so there is something
called uh uh Street cop training um it
it's a really good training program
which teaches officers to make passenger
side approaches especially on the
highway I'm 100% good with that but
typically police departments train their
officers how they want them to make
traffic stops now it's not the same
everywhere but typically here's how a
normal traffic stop goes you go hi my
name is officer uh uh my name is Officer
Daniel from the Fargo Police Department
um please hear driver's license
registration and insurance card that
would be a normal way to conduct the
traffic stop the other way the traffic
stops are conducted is if you know it's
not a normal traffic stop just for like
misdemeanor speeding or expired license
plates or no headlights or something
like that the other kind of traffics up
is called what's called a felony stop or
some departments they call it a
high-risk stop now essentially with that
is if you think that the driver for
whatever reason is the sus of a felony
has weapons or there's some other reason
that essentially just like it sounds
makes it a highrisk Supple typically the
way that's conducted is you know more
than one police car usually at least
three police cars that kind of all park
behind the car um the officers you know
you typically draw their weapons
normally one of them has some type of a
less lethal option as well and they get
on the PA system and they give the
driver commands you know they yell at
the driver they give the driver to
commands to exit the vehicle now this is
for a couple reasons this if you think
someone has committed a felony or is
dangerous what this does is this not
only keeps the officer safe this keeps
the individual safe because if someone
comes out of a car and they have their
hand raised and if they if again if they
actually follow the instructions from
police officers then they're not going
to be able to then they're not going to
be able to you know pull out a weapon or
anything like that and again when people
don't pull out weapons against police
officers then they are ultimately safe
they ultimately live they ultimately
live I think that's a good outcome for
cases so those are typically the two
different ways a normal traffic stoer
you just walk up and say I'm officer
Daniel with the Fargo police department
and then you have a felony stop however
there are but that's not what office
with Deputy Aldridge did he did
something that's a little bit strange so
what he did is he approached on the
driver's side he you know at this point
he had speeding and you know maybe
reckless driving so there are a lot of
jurisdictions where in the state statute
it defines what reckless driving is so
you know if you drive a 100 miles an
hour in a 70 mph Zone you know sometimes
that would be
conducted sometimes that would be
considered reckless driving now in 15
years of being a police officer in
uniform on the street I've never taken
someone to jail for reckless driving
just for speeding now I have if
someone's driving reckless they're
driving all over the road they're drunk
they have a warrant they're they're you
know purposely trying to evade someone
or running away from a crime scene
driving 110 mil hour yes I've made those
arrests but in general a car just
traveling 100 miles an hour doing
nothing else dangerous I've not arrested
for that now just because it's not
something that I would typically do
there's a lot of other police officers
who do do that who say hey if you're
traveling 40 m an hour above the speed
limit yeah the statute allows me to
arrest I'm going to go ahead and arrest
on that so again just because it's a
difference of of of of of of style that
doesn't mean the police officer is doing
anything wrong again the police officer
is following the law making an argest
and in a lot of jurisdictions not only
is it state law but a lot of times
police departments have policy and
training that say Hey if someone is
driving 35 miles above the speed limit
we want you guys to arrest on that so
again that is that is different from
jurisdiction to jurisdiction Police
Department from police department but I
guess what I'm saying is that in general
it's not crazy it wouldn't be strange to
say you know D driving 100 miles an hour
that's an arrestable offense you know I
could definitely see a pathway where
that could happen well that's what
Deputy Aldridge was trying to do in this
case he basically made the decision okay
who's ever driving this car and again
the car passed him two lanes over going
100 miles an hour he had no idea who was
in the car right so he basically made
the decision that I'm going to arrest
this driver for reckless driving so
instead of waiting and calling backup or
calling the guy doing some kind of a
felony stop to come on out he basically
approaches the car and as he's on the
driver's side just as he's about at at
the the back of the pickup truck he's
not quite there he starts yelling and
screaming at the driver he yells get out
get out get out of the car so it's at
that point that Mr cure actually gets
out of the car and you know the deputy
he doesn't say any conversations know
Hey listen I stopped you cuz you're
doing a 100 listen this is so fast
you're going to be arrested for reckless
driving the deputy doesn't have that
conversation with him I I think he
probably should but he doesn't have that
conversation with Mr Kure and he just
starts giving Mr Kure command so he
tells Mr Kure to put his hands on on the
on the truck and you know the deputy
wants to go ahead and arrest Mr Kier
that's the that's the intent of the
Deputy so to me intent means a lot I
know I've said this on a lot of
different shows and not everybody agrees
but to me intent means a lot so the
deputy's intent was to arrest Mr cure
for reckless driving okay well if the
deputy does what he wants to do is that
legal well the answer is yes there's
nothing legally or morally wrong
arresting someone for reckless driving
when they're driving 100 Mil hour so
this was legal for the deputy to do but
you know again in my mind the deputy
probably could have done it in a better
way um so he basically you know yells
commands and gives orders for Mr cure um
as he's giving orders he tells Mr cure
Mr Cure's out of the vehicle he tells
him to place his hands on the truck it's
at that point here's where you know
something is just going to go Haywire
where this is not going to be a good
contact because Mr cure responds I ain't
doing [ __ ] listen it's at this point
point that any police officer who's been
on for any amount of time you know
things aren't going to go good that's
the time to call for backup that's the
time to deescalate that's the time to
disengage so when someone says when
you're giving someone a lawful command
and their response is I ain't doing [ __ ]
shit's going down you just know that it
is well it's at that point that
obviously Mr cir he cooperates a little
bit So eventually he does place his
hands on on the on the truck um and he
you know basically he does ask the
deputy a very reasonable question so if
I was in that position having you know
police officer just bark orders at me
not knowing why I would ask why now
maybe if I was traveling 100 miles an
hour I would know why but let's say Mr
Kure didn't know why maybe he didn't
realize how fast he was going so the
deputy at that point he tells Mr Kure
yes I agree he should have told Mr cure
why he was being handcuffed and arrested
you know 12 seconds before okay but he
didn't but at this point he does Mr Kure
ask the reasonable question why all this
is happening it's at that point the
deputy says you're under arrest for
reckless driving and speeding because
you're driving ding 100 milph and they
kind of have it back and forth where you
know Mr cure says well isn't that just a
speeding ticket and the deputy says no
reckless driving that's actually an
arrestable offense so they do have a
little back and forth and the deputy so
what's important to me is that what I
like to see in cases like that at least
from the side of a police officer I want
police officers if possible and if safe
to be able to tell people hey you're
under arrest this is why you're under
arrest now it's not always safe it's not
always possible to do that but if
possible I think police officers should
give citizens as much information as
possible because if we want people to
believe in police officers or at least
to follow their commands we have to at
least give them some reason of why we're
doing what we're doing when it's safe to
do so and the deputy did that in this
case again I wish he would have done it
12 seconds earlier but he didn't but he
did eventually and he was actually
pretty quick in the contact really as
soon as Mr cure asked for why this was
happening the deputy went ahead and told
him why he was being under arrest and
essentially at that point Mr cure he
doesn't he doesn't follow instruction
instructions he doesn't he doesn't he
doesn't listen the officer um the the
way that the use of force goes in listen
we want use of force not only is it is
it trained but this is just good best
practices it's for use of force to be to
be Progressive in nature so hopefully
what we want police officers to do is to
start if an officer has to use force in
order to affect an arrest is that
hopefully want police officers to use
the lowest level of use of force
possible that's what we want right so
the using the lowest level of force
possible so in this case that's what the
officer does he uses just his hands he
doesn't use a Taser he doesn't use a gun
doesn't use a baton doesn't use mace he
tries to get Mr Cure's hands behind his
back Mr Kure resists arrest it's at that
point the police officer then switches
to a taser and he doesn't just tase Mr
Kure he doesn't just pop up the taser
and zap him that's not what he does he
gives Mr cure warning and says hey if
you don't stop if you don't cooperate if
you don't put your hands behind your
back you're going to be tased that's
another good thing in the favor of the
officer because again this isn't always
possible but but if possible what I want
police officers to do what I think is
good practice is to tell police if for
for police officers to tell people if
safe hey this is what's going to happen
you are going to be tased if you don't
cooperate because I think if possible if
safe police officers should give give
people hey options hey if you don't
cooperate this is what will happen you
know I don't want police officers to
just you know surprise people with use
of force but in this case the officer
didn't he told Mr cure what he wanted Mr
cure to do so no one's confused he then
said If you don't do this you will be
tased and he pulled out his taser to me
this is all in the basket in the
category of the police officer being
reasonable and literally doing
everything that he possibly can to get
Mr cure to cooperate well at that point
Mr cure doesn't cooperate and the police
officer uses the taser now the taser it
seems like you can hear it cycling but
it obviously didn't make contact both
probes didn't make contact you can hear
it cycling but Mr cure doesn't fall to
the ground so it doesn't have the uh the
desired effect which is neuromuscular
incapacitation Cuz Mr Mr cure is still
able to stand there during the cycle Mr
cure starts waving his hands around so
you could tell that he's like trying to
like bat and SWAT away the the probes
that at least one of the probes is
attached to him it's at that point that
Mr cure as he's batting away and moving
his arms around he advances quickly
towards the police officer and the
officer and Mr Kure both get into kind
of a wrestling match it's like a
standing wrestling match where they both
kind of hug in and they have their arms
around each other um it's at that point
while that's happening that that um Mr
kir is bble to essentially overpower the
officer what he does he uses his hand to
grab he uses his H uh to grab he uses
his hands to grab um Mr uh use the
officer's throat and while we're going
through this you know I know cjun Randy
is commenting cjun Randy um what what
are your thoughts about what the officer
should use so what what level of force
should the officer use um for this case
so again uh again so you know so let's
talk about the options police officer
can go Hands-On um they can use a Taser
they can use a baton um they could use
mace um they could use a Taser so again
I've talked about tasers before I think
taser is probably the best option but if
you don't like a taser tell me what you
think if you want to argue the police
officer should use a baton and smash
someone's knee in where they're going to
have lifelong injuries uh you can make
that argument I'm going to disagree and
say hey they should cops should use a
Taser it's uncomfortable for 5 seconds
then you get in handcuffs and then
you're totally fine that's my preference
cuz I don't like people to get long-
lasting injuries but if you want to say
police officers should be bashing people
with baton
uh that again I'm going to I'm going to
disagree that's more like 1980 style I'm
going to I'm going to disagree with that
but um yeah that's that's uh 1980s
superhero cop bashing people with batons
I'd rather use a Taser um I think I
think it's safer for everybody anyway so
what Mr what Mr um what Mr uh uh cure
does is he actually he actually puts his
hands around the deputy's throat and he
pushes the deputy back he's basically
choking the deputy and as he's doing it
you could watch the video on this it's
it's real creepy it's real [ __ ] Eerie
as he's holding the deputy you can tell
the deput is like gurgling and like
can't breathe as he's holding the
depuy's throat pushing his pushing his
head back he says yeah [ __ ] yeah [ __ ]
I mean it's creepy it's [ __ ] spooky
if you watch this if you watch this
video so it's um it's at that point that
that after you know four or five seconds
of being choked the deputy is able to
take out his handgun he does fire in Mr
cure one time um Mr cure does suffer
life-threatening injuries um so those
are the facts that's what happened there
there there isn't you know there there
really is aren't aren't any other facts
in this and to me this is absolutely
100% a Justified lawful objectively
reasonable officer involved shooting now
of course you know theyve hired Ben
Crump and they're saying that it's not
lawful shooting and and again so this is
my question so you're you're a police
officer you have someone who is
literally choking you so again imagine
if the if the roles were reversed and it
was Deputy Aldridge who was holding
Anthony who was holding Leonard Cure by
the throat I mean in this situation
Deputy Aldridge he's George Floyd okay
that's what's happening here and Mr cure
is doing his best impression of Derek
Chauvin I mean this is completely insane
so police officers cannot use deadly
force unless they are faced of a dead
with a deadly threat and in my mind when
someone is bigger than you and stronger
than you they've overpowered you and
they literally have their hand around
your throat that's a deadly force
situation it it it's almost one of the
most justified officer involved
shootings because again the officer
literally Waits until he's having the
life choked out of him before he shoots
Mr cure one time I'm really curious to
see what your thoughts are and again
what I what I'm looking for is obviously
there's free speech you can comment
whatever you want but would I be
interested in if you don't think the
police officer should have utilized
deadly force what should they have done
so just saying all cops are bad you know
all cops are racist like no that's
that's fine it isn't that interesting
it's fine but you know tell me what
should the police officer have done
that's what I'm really curious to see
what people have to say um about this
particular case um and while you're
thinking of that maybe putting in some
comments you know what they're basically
doing in this case because you know what
I learned in law school you know what
theyve what theyve what they've talked
about in law school is that you know if
if you're representing a client and if
you have the facts argue the facts if
you're representing a client you have
the law then you argue the law and if
you don't have anything just pound your
hand on the table and scream so
basically what Ben Crump and people are
doing is they're pounding they're
pounding their hand on the table scream
because they don't have the facts they
don't have the law uh this is anyone who
is even a tiny bit honest can watch
unbiased body and dash cam video and say
well yeah he's being choked what do you
want the the the the the deputy to do
it's really the only option he had um
but what they're doing they're going
through um the the depuy's prior
Internal Affairs records they're looking
at they're looking at IIA cases the
deputy had from 10 years ago with a
different department and again when you
know that that people like Ben Crump
have nothing it's when they go down this
rabbit hole because think of Dereck
schin all you had to do is play that
video and that's all you need to say hey
Derek shovin did something wrong that's
all you have to show is that video you
don't have to talk about all of the
other all of the other stuff that Derrik
shman did that's really all you have to
do um in a case like this so the fact
that they're going back 10 years and
trying to find other other cases about
you know Ben crumps trying to find other
cases from when this guy was in
kindergarten playing cops and robbers
and trying to use that him the whole
thing is ridiculous now I think it's
important to look I think it's important
to look to say yes let's look at from
the point of of of of the Cure family
right so it's like yes he he did 16
years he shouldn't have done 16 years
now he's out and he's killed by a police
officer so I I hate criticizing the
family because again no family who has
someone killed by a police no matter
what the circumstance are no matter how
reasonable and Justified again they're
not going to be in the right head space
they're not they're not going to in a
space where they're able to Beyond this
but they're saying things like you know
that that Mr cure that he had he had
PTSD that he had that something the
officer did triggered him and made him
act like that yes I think that's
probably all true so I guess my question
is you know when he got out of prison he
spent three years out of prison he's
talking with different people you know
I'm just curious did he have some kind
of psychologist some type of Coach some
type of Mentor would say Hey listen Hey
listen Leonard at some point you're
going to have contact with police
officers how are you going to deal with
that you know so was he having contact
with police officers just wondered was
there any work done on the front end
because to me this seems this seems
pretty predictable again L Leonard cure
he had a right to absolutely be upset
and to be mad with the system and not
trust the system then that doesn't mean
he gets to choke every police officer
who stops him for the rest of his life
so what was done on the front end for
him to try to deal with this and we have
to look at this way because I want
situations like this to not occur all
right that's the goal now one way to not
have this happen is police officers just
not try to arrest people for driving 100
miles an hour well that doesn't make
sense so people who are who just get out
of prison who've been there a long time
maybe there was maybe there was
something in the system that didn't go
their way or maybe it was a situation
where they were wrongfully convicted
what kind of resources are we providing
to these people so stuff like this
doesn't happen uh let's see kjun Randy
says he mentioned uh Elijah mlan would
have justified in using deadly force um
uh we're not talking about Elijah mlan
so I'm not not uh I'm not sure how
Elijah mlan um is uh uh talking about
here Steve says uh what do you think
about prosecutors letting the statute of
limitations run out to cover up for bad
cops um Steve again so Steve likes to
ask these questions you'd have to give
me an example um and then let's go ahead
and talk about it so um in my mind
police officers are prosecuted all the
time um like I said if you see a police
officer um you know doing that on
purpose um give me the case let's go
ahead let's go ahead and talk about it I
mean I I would say you know if if if
anything you know I I see I see um uh da
is doing that in the favor of people who
aren't aren't pro pro police um yeah I
mean on the flip side of that Steve you
know you have um people like uh the the
attorney general and a bunch of states
are going after police officers for all
kinds of stuff that they probably
shouldn't be going after police officers
for because there's a real there's a
real high anti- police sentiment
especially with prosecutors who were
funded by George Soros so um if anything
I think it's the exact opposite way in
police officer are getting prosecuted
when they shouldn't but again give me a
case let's go ahead and talk about it
Steve but in general no I think if a
police officer commits a crime I think
that the police officer should be
charged with a crime said that a bunch
of times that doesn't change now um okay
all right so that's going to be that
case like I that's a pretty big
important case because Ben Crump is uh
uh Ben Crump is on it um I did write an
article about this case over on my
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and YouTube otherwise um catch me on
substack um so the next case that I want
to talk about and you know this may not
be a national story this is more of a
local story for where this happened but
I think it's important because it really
talks about a couple important issues so
this happened on October 6th um uh in
Bernal Leo County New Mexico which is
essentially near the Albuquerque area uh
you know the unincorporated parts of of
of Albuquerque are patrolled by beralo
County deputies so what happened on this
case is deputies with Leo County
Sheriff's Place were dispatched to a
domestic disturbance call in the middle
of the day so it's daytime outside and
you get to these areas it's it's either
it's in the North Valley or South Valley
I'm not sure where you know it's kind of
like you know a lot of people they have
like you know third of an acre half an
acre um they have fences but you know
the fences don't really you know it's
it's really difficult to tell addresses
that's the you know I grew up on the
south side of Chicago where I knew
exactly what my address is you know
everything was in grids but you know in
this part of New Mexico that's not
always the case you got these culde
saacs and and again so guess where I'm
going with this is a lot of time it's
different you know especially if police
officer are trying to find a resident so
uh deputies in this case they knew um
they knew the street so they park on the
street but they're trying to find uh
they're trying to find the house um Yes
again so in this case you know addresses
are often hard to find because things
aren't on a grid the streets aren't
always straight the streets are small um
and again sometimes the only way you can
see the address of where you're going is
if you actually walk right up to the
house they're not like they're not where
anybody can see it there may not be
mailboxes with like they faded numbers
so again this is a problem for police
officers in areas like this it's
definitely like this in beralo County so
police officers deputies are dispatched
to a domestic disturbance call in the
middle of the day they park on the
street and the body cam shows them
walking around asking uh the have
they're right now they're on the public
street so they they haven't entered
anybody's driveway or property but again
since they're called to a domestic
disturbance call it's not trespassing
they can go on the property and ring the
doorbell and say hey does anybody here
need police so police officers are able
to do that so any so any any any
comments about how the police are
trespassing that's absolutely ridiculous
um again that's just not that's just not
a thing if police officers get a call
for service going to knock on that door
that's not trespassing just like it's
not trespassing if an Amazon driver
drops something off or a pizza of
delivery person that isn't trespassing
that's that's absolutely ridiculous but
I know people are going to say that or
they're at least going to think it so
police officers are trying to figure out
what's going on um they see uh what they
think they one of them says oh you know
I think that's the house over there and
there's a gate the gate is wide open so
police officers take about one step into
the gate from the body camera footage
it's hard to tell if they actually take
one step onto the property or if they
just kind of go even with the gate
either way they have a legal reason to
go and make contact at the house um but
like I said they haven't even walked up
the entire driveway yet they may be
taken like one step um onto the onto the
property I also should note that the
family who's who's involved who who's in
there on this they're actually sitting
on the porch so it's not like they
didn't see the police officers they
didn't know the police officers there
they're sitting on the porch watching
all of this right and at no point did
they say hey you guys get out of here
we're not involved nothing they're
sitting there just wa watching watching
the police officers do this and they so
again they have no issue with the police
officers be there because they can see
the cops they're right there so as the
police officers are either just about to
enter the property or still on the
street a a white Pit Bull a dog named
leche um actually runs out of the yard
runs out of the yard um runs up to the
police officers is growling and barking
and you know just imagine a vicious
pitbull some Pitbull are really nice I
know a really nice one named named Lo
great dog but imagine like the meanest
pitbull that you can think of the
meanest P pitbull that you can think of
coming after you that's what this thing
was so the police officer he backs up he
backs up he goes whoa whoa what's going
on and then you see the police off you
can clearly see now the dog is about 70
lbs about a 70 lb Pitbull so you can see
that the dog is no longer like is it
just in like the area you can see the
police officers it's probably 10 15 ft
back from where the gate would enter
anyways and again police officer did
have a right to go in there but this
happened on the public Street the dog
actually chased the police officer back
onto the public Street um it was at that
point that the the dog was you know
coming after the police officer the
police officer did draw his handgun he
did shoot the dog one time the dog ran
away and you could tell the police
officer that the dog whined and squealed
but you know the officer you couldn't
tell whether the dog was hit or not or
where it was hit or how injured it was
so he yelled to the people on the POR
who are still just sitting there who
aren't saying anything even though the
police officer just fired a gun so as
they're sitting there um the the the the
people on the porch the the deputy calls
it out over the over the radio um and
the people so the deputy calls it out
over the radio and um uh you know he
tells the the the people hey check on
your dog check on your dog and they're
like what they're asking questions like
what I don't know what they thought the
police officer was was shooting at later
on they told the news um they said
something to the effect of we were just
sitting inside got back from walking the
dogs so we were sitting there we heard
two gunshots and I came running out um
that's what uh one one of the owners
said his name is Jerry carbajal he went
and talked to the news so um you know
the police officer basically yells at
the people hey I just shot your dog make
sure it's okay I think I shot it in the
chest so the people start to try to find
their dog and immediately they start
yelling at the police officers and they
start saying hey why did you shoot the
dog and the the deputy says because it
came after me because it attacked me and
again we we clearly know it did because
we have it on body Cam and immediately
like a reflex that people start to say
the dog didn't attack you yeah like this
officer he wakes up in the morning like
you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna go
shoot a random dog just because I think
it's fun like and I'm gonna put it all
on body camera footage like that's
insane of course the dog attacked him so
that's what the people were saying um
you know the dog was um scooped up and
taken to uh the emergency room the dog
will survive so again this isn't the
dog's fault this is the dog just being a
dog okay um so and it's a good thing
that bcso the kind Sheriff's Office uh
they actually just got act on body
cameras one of the reasons why we have
this so good so before any kind of body
cam footage came out maybe when the
family thought that they could just pull
one over you know on on the community
and and on the department if they want
to sue because they didn't interview
with the news pretty shortly after this
they they did an interview on the news
and you know well I would encourage
everyone to listen I would encourage um
everyone to listen to the to the video
to to the interview on the news but but
basically one of the owners Jerry
carbahal he made three very specific
complaints about the deputies all right
and here's what the complaints were the
first one he said that the deputies had
no lawful reason to be on the property
or in the area Okay the second one he
said that the dog was tied up when it
was shot and the third he said that the
deputies on scene refused to give the
family any information as to why the dog
was shoted he made the again if you
listen to his statement he Rambles on
and on and on with a bunch of nonsense
but in in that rambling I was able to
pull out those very three specific
indictments that he makes against the
deputies luckily like I said before the
deputies with the Bernal Leo County
Sheriff's Office they um they wear acts
on body cameras so not only you I want
to say this so not only do the deputies
with the bero County Sheriff's Office
not only do they wear body cameras but
the leadership there is actually pretty
good Sheriff John Allen is doing a
really good job so whoever he has work
in this program whatever it it's
actually a really good thing because the
leadership got out in front of this they
saw this interview and they did respond
like they didn't say anything rude about
the people they just said you know what
we're just going to put out the body
camera footage here is the body camera
footage which which I think is uh uh uh
which is um uh yeah so I I think it's a
really great it's a it's a really great
thing that they um that they put out the
body camera the put out the body camera
footage um and basically here's what the
body camera footage shows um I should
also say that Sheriff Allen also has an
animal abuse task force so he's really
he's real good on he's real good on
these things um so what Sheriff Allen
did he he he had the body camera come
out which is great also the body camera
showed a couple different things it
showed that the deputies were supposed
to be there that they were dispatched to
a domestic disturbance goal they weren't
just you know walking around doing
nothing saying you know what I'm going
to do um we're just going to go bother
these people at the end of the street
for no reason maybe we could shoot one
of their dogs again so that's absolutely
insane um there's also um also what the
what the body camera foot it shows is
that the dog was not tied up clearly the
dog was not tied up and third it shows
that the deputy immediately explain to
the owners the reason that the dog was
shot because it had attacked the deputy
so again it's good thing that the Burn
Leo County Sheriff's Department does
wear body camera footage because it's
absolutely insane and you know this is
my opinion I'm really curious to what
you think about that if a person files a
false complaint against a police officer
I I think that they should be prosecuted
you know I just think they should do
that that they should absolutely be
prosecuted um you know I would like to
say that the officer should be able to
sue the person but because police
officers are considered public figures
and a lot of time there's no damages so
you know really it doesn't meet the
aimation law but if you file a false
complaint again against a against a
police officer you know the police
officer the police department should
just should just file criminal charges
against you you know if you can show
that there was bad intent which there
obviously was here and there's on body
camera footage where um you where it's
objective evidence that clearly the dog
wasn't tied up um also again let me say
this is not the fault of the dog this is
a dog being a dog this is a case of
irresponsible and dishonest pet owners I
have two dogs two great pyes if someone
comes on my property into my house some
bricks into my house my dogs are
absolutely nuts okay so it's my
responsibility as a dog owner to make
sure that they don't get out into the
public and certainly having a gate
that's wide open when you're sitting on
a porch you're sitting on a porch you
see the open gate you know the dogs
there you see cops walking up again you
know it's like it's like um it's like
it's like in Fight Club what did you
think was going to happen you know it's
absolutely insane um all right so that
that that's my that's my case on that uh
my opinions on that let's see if we have
any comments on there uh let's let's see
um car okay so Carrie Bama says if the
police were there on a call they did
have a right to enter the gate yeah I I
agree so 100% yeah if police officers
are called to a domestic dispute or to a
burglary or if police officers are
called to a call for service they are
absolutely allowed to go ahead walk up
the driveway and knock on the door does
that mean that they can kick in the door
and enter your house anytime they want
no of course not but yes if police
officers get a call about a disturbance
they can walk onto the property and ring
the doorbell just like an Amazon driver
can of course that's the case that's not
that let's not be silly uh SOG 68 says
it seems like people want to turn every
law enforcement and counter into a
Payday SOG 68 thank you so much that's
exactly what this is and uh if police
officers didn't that's why I'm such an
not just because we have a body camera
channel here that's one of the reasons
why I'm such an advocate for body
cameras is uh for stuff like this I
think it helps out police officers more
often than not and if a body camera
footage if the truth is that it hurts a
police officer yes I don't want people
to have their rights violated and people
should be able to use body camera
footage in order to sue police officers
because we want good police officers to
be out there who aren't violating the
law and body cameras you know should
keep both sides honest which is one of
the one of the points about this uh
let's see any other comments on this
case uh let's see R7 says for exence
circumstances like screaming inside the
house police can't enter forcefully
thank you so much R yes 100% uh I'll
I'll tell you a story real quick so all
police officers are going to have
stories like this so this one isn't a
big deal I bet every police officer
retired cop on here can tell a more
interesting story but the last time that
I was on patrol back in
201819 is I was on patrol we were at a
domestic disturbance call over at a
hotel and you get there and you know you
take hundreds thousands of these calls
you know most of the time they're not a
big deal but this was one where you know
as we get there me and my partner there
is a woman inside this this Hotel
Apartment kind of a thing long-term stay
place where she's screaming for her life
like you know like it's one of those
things where it's like hey like you know
I've been working for at that point like
16 17 years as a cop and it's like
that's only happened a couple times
where it's like someone on the other
side of the door is literally screaming
for their life so I had to kick in the
door and we and we went in and yeah that
was a time listen if that's the case if
police officers have an honest belief
that you are thinking that someone you
know is dying or or could suffer great
bodily injury that isn't the time we go
you know hey uh get on the radi hey
Sarge hey this is what I have or you
know can you go ahead and call the da I
think she's being choked in there no
that's absolutely not that under exent
circumstances police can and should
enter in a situation like like this and
just to wrap up that story at the end of
that yeah he had the lady in a choke
call and he was he was trying to
seriously hurt her when when me and my
partner got got in there so um it was
actually a neighbor who called so that
that's who I credit with with us saving
This Woman's life is is the neighbor who
called police and got police officers
there because if it wouldn't have been
me and my partner any other police
officer would have done the exact same
thing and that's really what you need
all right any other comments uh on this
let's see no okay no other comments on
that case all right so the last case
that we're going to talk about and you
know this is a case that a case like
this should be National news and it kind
of was national news but a case like
this you know typically if the victims
or if the offender is the right
demographic this is the kind of case
that is going to be on the news almost
forever so this was at the Texas state
fair last week so last week there was a
report of an active shooter over at the
Texas state fair and Dallas now it ended
up not being an active shooter but at
the time people don't know that so here
at the state fair and Dallas there's
literally thousands of people at the
state fair and gunshots start ringing
out well thousands of people gunshots so
everyone tried to leave the state fair
at the same time there was panic I mean
it was it was a crazy scene watching
Everybody try to leave the state fair
which is which is reasonable um it ended
up being an individual his name is
Cameron Turner 22-year-old he had a
dispute with someone and he shot um not
just the person he was having a dispute
with he shot three other people so
thankfully luckily no one suffered any
any uh any fatal injuries um so all of
the injuries were um
non-life-threatening injuries which is
the most important thing um so after
Cameron Turner a 22-year-old after he
shot um after he shot three people um
instead of sticking around to you know
um be responsible for his actions he ran
away from the scene ran away from the
scene you know police officers not only
are they at the state fa they're around
the state there's a lot of cops at
places like this they were actually able
to get him into custody pretty quick um
luckily Cameron didn't threaten the
police officers um um you know he he
basically he cooperated he cooperated
with the police officer so he wasn't
harmed they didn't you have to use Force
to arrest him they didn't T them or or
anything like that and you know this is
Texas so there's a lot of uh law-abiding
um um citizens there wanting to help
help police so they're able to get some
really good Witnesses but a case like
this and the reason why I'm talking
about this case a case like this it
basically you know exposes two
inaccuracies it basically talks about
two different myths and is basically uh
it just it is is some proof that these
things are myths um when it comes to
police officers so the first one so if
you haven't know know this case already
Cameron Turner is a 22-year-old young
black guy so the first myth is that
police officers kill black suspects
indiscriminately all the time which
isn't the case so here's what I say
almost every time and it it has nothing
to do has very use of force especially
deadly use of force from police officers
has very little to do with the crime you
commit it is literally about how much
resistance you give to the police
officers and here's my example of this
because everyone remembers the Kyle
writtenhouse case right so Kyle
writtenhouse you know he shot people now
again all the three people he shot was
completely legal he all the people were
trying to kill him and he shot them in
self-defense that's what a court found I
think that was the right decision but
Kyle Rittenhouse when he was taken into
custody he was not shot and killed by
police officers and a lot of anti-
police activists when Kyle Rittenhouse
was arrested that's all I heard on the
news for months and months and even
years after the Kyle Rittenhouse case he
said if that were a black guy the police
officers would have shot him they never
would have taken him alive and I said
for a long time that's [ __ ] because
Kyle ritten house he didn't attack
police officers he didn't threaten
police officers so there' be no reason
why a police officer would try to harm
Kyle Rittenhouse well the same thing is
true with Cameron Turner who again shot
three people and he's an
African-American guy because even though
his crime was shooting three people he
cooperated with police he didn't
threaten police he didn't he didn't pose
any kind of a danger to police he
cooperated with police and he was
arrested without incident listen this is
how we want arrest to go and it's just
important to get the information out if
you don't attack or threaten police
literally you could shoot three random
people give up put your hands up in the
air and the vast majority of the time
you're going to be arrested without
incident where you're not harmed which
is what we want to happen in alls that's
one of the points why we do this show is
because we want there to be less
violence between citizens and police
officers and no matter what you do as
long as you cooperate with the police
the vast majority statistical percent of
the time you're going to be just fine
which is what we want so that was the
first that that was the first myth that
this just kind of smashes that says hey
yeah Kyle Written House shot three
people but he cooperated with police
that's why he wasn't shot Cameron Turner
a black guy he shot three people but he
didn't threaten police he was also
arrested without police officers using
Force again that's just evidence in that
bucket of what I'm saying is absolutely
correct on this Based on data that we
have so the second is that you know gun
laws don't work I know we've talked
about this before but you know so here's
what they did for the Texas state fair
so you know so there there's a a vice
senior vice president of public
relations for the Texas state fair I'm
going to read her statement really quick
because I know Texas is a real Second
Amendment kind of place right A lot of
people like guns but you know a place
like the state fair that's kind of a
place where if you go around the country
they maybe they don't allow if you go to
like sports games and concerts and you
know I mean Remember the Alamo okay so
if you remember like so like Texas is
the kind of place where again like
sporting events and concerts they don't
know L firearms in there well how does a
place like Texas like a very Pro Second
Amendment but you have a big event so
how do places like Texas do that I'm
going to read you the quote from the
senior vice president um of the of the
public relations of the state Fair her
name is uh Carissa here's what she said
we don't allow weapons in the Texas
state fair however we understand that
Texans have the rights to carry their
weapon so we have a middle ground where
those who have a license to carry are
allowed to come in with a concealed
weapon okay so basically what they've
decided to do is say hey if you went
through the training if you went through
the process the hassle of getting a
concealed carry license in Texas as you
walk up to the ticket counter you say
hey my name is Daniel I have a concealed
carry license here it is cool they they
they let you through otherwise everyone
else is not allowed to carry so again
I'm not saying I agree with that I'm not
saying it's it's right or wrong on on
either way I'm just saying that's how
Texas does it so so what I where where
I'm going with this is they have a
confined controlled area of the Texas
state fair and even in a place like that
where you have to buy a ticket you have
to walk in literally everyone is
searched even in a situation like that
Cameron Turner who does not have a
concealed carry permit he was able to
get a handgun in so the idea that again
even when law enforcement and law
enforcement and private security and you
know the directors of the Texas state fa
again they're trying to keep out Rogue
handguns in a small confined area not
just like the general street where
people can walk around wherever in a
very confined place they weren't even
able to do it there so I think that's
important to remember just when it comes
to Common Sense gun control you know
what's going to work what doesn't work
and obviously even something like this
it's very difficult to keep guns out of
the hands of bad people that being said
if we know that we can walk down this
and have a aable conversation if
criminals if you know quote unquote bad
people are going to get their hands on
guns what should the rest of us do just
say oh okay you know we'll just leave it
up to police and whatever security
they're going to keep us safe well that
would be great but that's ideal and
things don't always happen ideally
Cameron Turner is a reason why so
Cameron Turner has been charged and um I
I also I just want to say like I've said
multiple times people who violate the
murder law are not going to follow the
gun control laws um when you add
defunding and dismantling police
departments um it's it's kind of like
the seasoning on the top of this [ __ ]
sandwich the result is predictable you
know bad people um are going to have
guns so um you know we do have a
personal responsibility to keep
ourselves safe um you know it's a good
thing that we did have a quick police
response in this we're able to get Mr
Turner into custody pretty quick um so
those are the cases that I that I wanted
to want to talk about curiously if
anyone has any comments about any of
these cases U let's see Steve says from
what I've seen Texas talk a big game but
will not do anything when it comes to
the nut cutting all right okay Steve
well I I don't I I don't know what you
mean by that but all right um let's see
nomadic Adventure says entering a fence
in backyard with a no trespassing sign
without a warrant can get tricky under
certain circumstances law enforcement
may enter uh without a warrant yeah no
nomadic Adventures yeah that that's a
really good point so you have to look at
it this way just about anything with the
law is going to be what's what's
reasonable so so you know it's it's
what's reasonable so you know what steps
did people take in order to to secure
their property do they have a 6-ft fence
with barbed wire and signs that make it
you know where police officers can't get
in where you know um then should police
officers get a warrant sure yes but
again if you have a situation where
there's a report or or evidence that
someone might be like might be in the
process of being injured yeah I mean um
exent circumstances basically cut right
through any warrant requirement um I was
actually just just just teaching the
class um a couple days ago about this
where it talks about you know there are
exceptions to the warrant requirements
one of them are exent circumstances but
with that exent circumstance I think
it's important to say it's not something
that police officers can just find later
it's not like police officers can just
go in and then after they're in they see
something they go oh well it's a good
thing we came in because this person was
really in trouble no police officers
have to have that information they have
to articulate that information before
they enter in order for it to be a
lawful exception to the warrant
requirement um thank you really really
good comment there let's see uh kirama
says Criminal can either buy guns off
the streets or steal them gun laws don't
work for criminals um who do who don't
care about following laws yeah yeah
kirama I agree 100% um I've used the
example before I grew up on the south
side of Chicago I lived there until I
was 22 years old the entire 22 years
that I lived in Chicago handguns were
illegal inside the city of Chicago so me
and my family we were not able to have a
handgun inside of our house during those
22 years Chicago had one of the highest
gun murder violence rates in the entire
country explain that to me it doesn't
make any sense um even if you agree that
maybe we should do a different policy
you should be able to agree that these
types of gun laws don't work for
achieving the goal of lowering gun
violence all right um okay so that's
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