I'm not going to tell you. I'm going to hide everything that will cause you to arrest me. >> And she started grabbing at me. I hit her. So, that part is true. >> I don't know what you mean at the moment. >> The officers respond to a call from a girl claiming her mother hit her. As they arrive, one officer stays with the girl while the other approaches the mother, Susan. >> Hi, ma'am. >> She is. >> No, you stay there. You stay there. >> In the car. Can I talk to you outside, man? >> What are you going to do to her? >> I'm going to talk to her. Okay. You're going to talk to my partner. >> She hit me. She hit me. It is >> Get on this side. I I'll talk to the driver. >> She too much. Huh? >> Can I talk to you out here, Susan? >> She hit me. >> What's your name? >> He tried to take my pan away from me. >> Would you step over here that way? You're off the side. >> Yeah. No, it's okay, man. Um, what is your last name, Susan? >> It's White. >> White. Okay. >> She's a person with autism. >> And who is this person to? >> She's my daughter. >> And what is your daughter's name? >> Morgan. >> Morgan. Uh, also last name White. >> Yes. >> And then, okay. Can you explain to me what's going on between you and Morgan? >> She's been very, very upset. What's causing her to be upset? >> Her biggest problem now is that I made a mistake >> and took her >> to a skiing lesson, an adaptive >> skiing lesson up on, you know, the Santa Fe. >> When was that lesson? >> Was >> I thought it was yesterday. I brought her up yesterday. >> Can you give me one one second? >> It was a mistake. >> Uh, give me one second. Okay. Yeah. >> She started yelling, grabbing, and pulling on her from the passenger seat. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> WHAT? >> OKAY, I'm going to tell you something real quick. Okay. >> What? >> Okay, please don't yell. Okay. >> What? I feel threatened by you, >> Morgan. Just don't yell. Okay, you can talk to them in a soft voice. Okay, there's people around. Please, just try keeping your voice down. Okay, >> but she's trying to take my power, but turning away from me. Hit me. >> So, here. So, I'm going to tell you something. Okay. Um, you can tell this officer what's going on, but please keep your voice down. Okay. >> But he's not understanding. >> Okay. Well, he's trying to get your side of it. Okay. I'm trying to talk to your mom. I'm I had to disengage from her because of your yelling. Okay. So, I'm just going to ask you politely. >> What are you going to tell me what's happening? >> Okay. We're We're trying to figure out. Okay. That's why my partner's talking to you and then I'm talking to your mom. Okay. But please keep your voice down. >> But you better take it too long. >> No, no, no. It's okay. I mean, we have time here. We're trying to get your statement. We're trying to get hers. Well, can you please keep your voice down for us, please? >> I cannot. I'm sorry. >> Why is that? >> Because it's not a crime and I can't keep my voice down. It's not a crime. You can't get me to jail for just not keeping my voice down. >> So, I'm going to tell you something. If you keep your voice up and there's people walking by, that could be considered disorderly conduct. So, just keep your voice down, okay? You don't need to yell. >> I'm I understand that you're upset. You're going through a lot right now, but also you're out in the public. So just make sure >> you guys are taking too long when I'm going through too much. >> So don't just try keeping your voice down for us. Okay. Thank you. >> When was Meanwhile, the officers were trying to understand what happened. The mother then explained her side. The daughter started grabbing at her while she was driving on a narrow mountain road. >> Sorry about that, ma'am. >> It's okay. >> Okay. So I understand. So let's go back. So but I made a mistake. >> So what was the mistake? >> This was yesterday. >> Yesterday. the m the lesson was today, not yesterday. And so she's really upset with me because I made the mistake. I did make a mistake and it caused >> Where's it? >> But um >> she I thought she'd be okay, >> okay, >> to go the the lesson really was today. And so I probably stupidly thought that she'd be safe to drive up to there. And um so she had her lesson. >> Okay. >> And it is true that I hit her. >> She Are you familiar with the road going up to Ski Santa Fe? >> Uh which road? >> The one you get up there. It's like this. >> The main road? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's It's a thin road which you have to pay attention to in order not to wreck. >> Okay. >> And she started grabbing at me and uh pulling on me. and I hit her. >> So, that part is true. >> Okay. So, uh anything happened on your way back down? >> She was doing a lot of yelling and screaming >> and I was trying to get her to just telling her she had to stop and she wanted to talk about something which I told her I could talk with her about once we were home in Albuquerque and I couldn't do it while I was trying to pay attention to driving. but she wouldn't stop. >> Things got worse. The daughter was yelling, slamming doors, trying to open the glove box, even reaching for the steering wheel. At one point, the mother pulled over and tried calling 911. During this chaos, she hit her daughter again, not in the face, but with a hit to her back or side to make her stop. >> Why did you ask me that? >> Okay. >> And then when I pulled over here >> Uhhuh. And she was and I was trying to call 911. >> Uhhuh. >> She was once again grabbing things and I was grabbing OVER THE >> the >> I don't have power. >> Oh, she's trying to grab her power. >> I stopped, but she was, you know, like slamming doors and trying to pull the glove box open, grabbing at the wheel. Well, it didn't matter anymore really cuz the car wasn't moving. >> Okay. >> Anyway, and she was once again thrashing around anyway. I hit her again. Now, when I talk about hitting her, I'm not talking about slugging her in the face. >> What? What? >> I'm talking about hitting her back like that. >> Anyway, >> is that what you did this morning as well or how? >> Probably. I wouldn't hit her in the face. In any event, you know, I I don't know what you want to do about this. [screaming] >> I'm agreeing that her claim that I hit her is true. >> So, just [screaming] to clarify, the hitting is the P like the on the back >> like this. >> Okay. >> What? So, what led up to you doing that? >> She was grabbing at me. She was grabbing at anything she could find in the car to throw things. >> And that's coming going up or going back up here. >> Okay. right here. >> I don't mind. >> I certainly don't want to press any charges against her. >> Okay, so here's the thing. >> She's she's a disabled person. >> So, the thing is, too, this is considered like a battery like a household member. >> I'm a lawyer. I I worked for CYFD for years. I understand all of the details. >> So, you understand? I mean, the pressing charges wise, we'll have to meet up in court. >> I I know. I I understand that. Um, I don't I'm telling you that I am She's a disabled person. >> Mhm. >> And this has been going on because she's just really upset. Now, if she wants to press charges or you want to press charges against me, that's a different matter. >> The woman growing more upset said she wanted to go to the hospital. She repeated that she would go voluntarily. >> Give us a second. I'm going to talk to my partner. >> What are you doing? >> I I just explained to you. I'm going to talk to my partner, but go and say you would come and talk to me. >> Okay. Well, I'm going to talk to him first and then I'll talk to you. >> Why? >> Because that's what I'm doing right now. >> Why am I under arrest? >> No, you're not under arrest at the moment. But >> I will ass. >> Okay. Give us a second. I'm going to talk to my partner and then we'll come and talk to you. Okay. Location wise? >> No, not location wise. Um, her last name is White. Logan White. >> Stay in the car. >> Stay in the car, please. >> How long? >> Give us a few minutes. Give us a few minutes. >> Like 5 minutes. >> Maybe even less. >> But no more than 5 minutes, right? >> No more than five. I'm just talking to my partner and then I'll talk to you. Okay. >> Should he Sorry. >> What? >> Morgan, give me a few minutes. I'm almost done. >> A few minutes out of the >> Okay, I'm almost done. I'm almost done. Keep your voice down, please. >> A few minutes is cash. >> Yeah, I said 5 minutes a hospital. >> 5 minutes the most. Okay. >> Take me to the hospital. I'm going to the hospital voluntarily. >> Okay. Take a seat. >> I'm going to hospital voluntarily. >> You can take a seat, Morgan. >> I'm going to the hospital voluntarily. >> What's going on? Why do you want to go to the hospital? >> I told you what was GOING ON. DAMN IT. Morgan also brought up that her mom had taken her to the wrong ski day. She said her mom wanted her to be quiet on the way home, but she couldn't stay quiet because of her own disability. She said her mom was also too disabled to drive her properly to the ski area. >> Okay. Well, I haven't really gotten interaction with you on that as to why you want to go to the hospital. >> Okay. I want two things. I want her taken to jail because she hit me and her taken to aing nursing home because she can't manage to deal with the fact that she won't she she told she messed up skiing and then she messed up trying to come down the hill come down the mountain and she does not belong in a driver or anything. She belongs in a freaking nursing home because she's aging so much and she can't even hear. She belongs with the guardian because I because she >> Take a seat. Just take a seat. >> No, I'm talking. YOU'RE NOT LISTENING. >> I am listening. I'm just telling you >> I'm trying to go get guardianship against her because she is trying to not fix her hearing problem >> and I understand that is your mother. Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I did catch the part about mom bringing you to the wrong ski day and I I >> don't don't get me wrong. Like, don't get me wrong. Are >> you going to take me to jail? >> No, I'm still talking to you. >> I am going to take me to jail. I DON'T NEED to use this. >> I'm That's why I'm still talking to you and then my partner's talking to your mom. We're trying to get this figured out. Okay. I haven't gone to that conclusion yet. Okay. >> To what conclusion? You said you would tell me what's happening after you. >> I am telling you. I'm telling you currently what's going on as of right now. Okay. So, that's the thing. So, I'm still trying to get your side. I'm got I got your mom's side. I'm starting to try get this all figured out. Okay. So, I understand mom brought you to the wrong ski lesson. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, then talk to me about the whole drive up to the ski base with you and your mom. OH [screaming] GOD. SHE WANTED ME TO BE QUIET. I couldn't. I couldn't. She wanted me to be quiet on the way home. I couldn't. We had to each other. Please. I CAN'T MANAGE to be quiet. I am too disabled. She is too disabled to drive me to the ski area. She is too damn disabled. I She expects me to be >> Well, you actually did your lesson though, correct? Yes. >> Okay. Okay. So, she got you up here. Okay. Talk to me about what happened going up to the ski base between you and your mom. >> She said she wouldn't say anything that could get her arrested. The officer told her she wasn't being arrested, just detained while they figured things out. >> I'm not GOING TO TELL YOU. I'M GOING TO HIDE EVERYTHING that will cause you to arrest me. >> I'm not saying you're being arrested. I just said you and your mom are both detained at the moment. That's why we're just trying to get this figured out. >> I'm not going to say anything that is going to cause me to be arrested. I'm sorry, >> Morgan. I am not >> I'm not saying nothing. >> Okay. You don't want to tell me nothing. >> Okay. Give me one second. I'm going to go make a phone call. I need you to stay put. >> Make a phone call. Who? >> My supervisor. >> Why? >> Because I'm just going to clarify some stuff with him. >> Why? >> Okay. >> Why? >> Because that's I just want to make sure I do my job correctly. Okay. >> When are you going to take me to the hospital? If you want to get taken to the hospital, we can definitely do that for you. The only thing is we got to let the paramedics know exactly what's the reason why you want to go to THE HOSPITAL. >> I CAN'T. I [screaming] CAN'T. >> You can't. What? >> I want I can't manage. I want to go home and talk to her, but she's doing she's doing more than I can manage. >> Do you want to talk to SOMEBODY AT THE HOSPITAL? >> I DON'T KNOW. I'M She's expecting more of me than I can manage. She's expecting me to be quiet. Okay. So, I just want to clarify if you want to talk to somebody AT THE HOSPITAL. [screaming] >> I DON'T KNOW. I SAID THAT several times. >> Okay. Well, they need to have a reason why you're going to go to the hospital. >> Cuz I've tried to talk to mom about whether I should go to the hospital or not >> to your mom. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Who else am I talking about? >> I'm just trying to get this figured out. All right. >> You act like I'm talking to you stupidly. >> No, absolutely not. I'm just trying to get everything. >> Why did you say to your mom? >> No, I that's why I was pointing at you just to clarify with your mother. Okay. So, go ahead and stay put here and when we'll get this figured out. If you want us to take you to the hospital, I I can >> I [screaming] don't know. I have to talk to my mom. >> Okay. Okay. But if once you talk to her and you make that decision, you have two options to get there. >> You're going to get her to come talk to me. We can do that. But we got to make sure that everybody is civil, okay? Make sure there's no yelling. We're going to be talking in a calm tone. None of this yelling. I get if you can't be in a low tone, that's totally understandable, but give us a second and then I will get all this figured out for us. Especially for you, especially I get it's a lot of frustration from your part. I mean, believe me, like, I know mistakes happen with people when they go like the wrong way. >> Send her to our north at home. >> Okay, well, I can't >> Where did jail? >> She asks if the officer is a crisis officer, but if they want to talk to someone from the crisis team, he can make that happen. The officer explains that a special team is coming. This team handles mental health or emotional emergencies. >> Okay, so give me one second. Let me make some phone calls and then I'll be right back and we'll get this figured out. >> At bedtime, what your supervisor is? >> Yeah. So, >> are you a crisis officer or what? >> No, I'm just a normal police officer. >> Do you want to speak with somebody from a crisis? >> I want to talk to a crisis officer. >> Sure. Give me one second. I We actually have somebody here and we can talk to them. >> Where is he? >> Let me go and see if they're available. Okay. >> Oh, good. >> They're on their way. Morgan, >> but are you going to let us go or not? >> So, we're talking to both of you. I'll make sure that the crisis >> But are you going to let us go or not? Okay. So once >> are you going to step me to THE HOSPITAL OR YOU COULD look once the crisis officers. So they're called alternative response units. So they go and deal with crisis. They're actually not good. >> You're talking too fast. >> Okay. Okay. So it's this team that we have. Okay. >> Yeah. It's like the mobile crisis unit team, right? >> Yes. Exactly. >> The Albuquerque mobile crisis. >> So this is like our unit. So it's part of the fire department and police. So there's usually a police officer with them. But you'll be mainly talking to people from the fire department. It's usually a paramedic and a captain. So, they'll talk to you. Okay. >> But am I going to the hospital or not? >> After you speak with them and then after you talk to your mom, we can make that determination. >> Wait, can I talk to my mom? >> Not at the moment. And I'll let you talk to the crisis officers first and then we'll make that determination. Okay. How does that >> What determination? Damn it. >> If >> I don't know what you're talking about. >> It's about going to the hospital. Okay. But I'm not going to jail >> at the moment. No. >> I don't know what you mean at the moment. No. >> The officer kept his promise. No cuffs, no jail, just a calm ride to the hospital like he said. >> Yes or no? Everything is black and white. That's how autism is. Am I going to jail or not? >> No. >> Is that a promise? >> That's a promise from my end. >> What do you mean from your end? >> That I'm not placing you under arrest. I'm not taking you to jail. >> What about her? So, I'm still trying to get all >> What about what? >> Nope. What about her? >> Okay. That's why I'm going to make my phone call and then >> But are you going to arrest her or not? >> So, give me one second. I haven't gotten to there yet. >> Why? >> Because I'm still doing my investigation. >> But you're not going to arrest me. >> No. >> But you might arrest her. >> Yeah. I'm still working on that. >> I don't know what you mean. >> I'm still doing my job. It's part of my job. I got to make sure I have every all the story complete and then I can make my determination at the end. >> But what do I do? How do I get home if she gets arrested? >> We can get that fear geared out for you. Okay. We can get that situated. Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, you can go and take a seat. I appreciate you talking to me. >> You're taking too long. I >> I know it's definitely timeconuming, but we'll already have those crisis that crisis unit on our way here. So, give them a few minutes. The city's a little bit big. Not as big as Albuquerque, but they'll get here in a few. Okay. >> What is the next step? You've got in the autism way. What is the next step? >> They're going to talk to you and then I'm going to call my supervisor. >> Why are you going to call your supervisor now? >> I'm going to give them >> How long are we going to wait for them? >> I don't know where they're coming from. Where you >> Why did you call these people instead of the mobile crazy unit? >> Because this is another resource we have. Please. >> She's taking forever. >> No, she's she's on her way. She's getting it. >> Once they arrive, the team will speak directly to the person and help decide the next steps. >> I'm Connor. I'm a clinician with the crisis team. Your name is Morgan? >> Yes. >> Hi. What's going on today? >> I'm She needs to be in a nursing home because she doesn't know what you're doing. >> Can you tell me why you're screaming? So, you have two choices. You can either go with him on your own head of steam and go to the hospital, or if you don't want to do that, then I'm going to write paperwork that says that you have to. And I don't want to do that. No, >> I'll go voluntarily. >> Okay, cool. I think that sounds like a good plan. >> Okay, we're going to go to my unit, right, Morgan? Let's go to the one back there. I I'll walk with you. Okay, let's go to this one. It's going to be that first one. Okay. And you're not going to handcuff me. >> I'm not going to handcuff you. I have You have my promise. >> Okay. >> And you're not going to take me to jail. >> I'm not I'm not taking you to jail. I'm taking you to the hospital as my courtesy ride to you. Okay. >> Why am I supposed to trust you? >> I can promise you I'm going to take you to the hospital and that's where we're going to go. Okay. I'm not going to take you to the jail. I tell people I'm honest because you're a person, too. And this is me being honest to you. Like I'm taking you to the hospital as a ride, okay? As a courtesy ride, okay? So >> why would you stop me in the amber? >> Because the way you were acting and you were hitting the dashboard. >> Because I couldn't communicate with her. She doesn't know what you're doing. >> I'll tell you something. If you're doing that stuff, paramedics don't transfer. But me, I can do that for you. So there's some things that I can do and some things that paramedics can do. Then why did you call the paramedics when you're not going to let me go with them? >> That's dope. They don't have an ambulance. There are crisis mobile crisis and then we have another unit. >> Why did you call that unit over here when they're not letting me go with those >> as another resource for us because of what's going on. Okay. So we do all this in steps. That's how I work. >> But I didn't see any ambulance with those guys anyway. >> They have their own vehicle. They're separated from the actual ambulance. They do things. They're still paramedics and they're still captains, but they function in a different level. They still have the same things, but they function differently. >> Me, like I said, I can give you the ride. And I'll be honest with you, some people don't like to get a ride in an ambulance because they think it's going to cost them money. >> Completely free. >> I'm Medicare Medicaid. >> That's totally fine, too. >> I can pay for an ambulance. >> Yeah, that's fine. But I'm going to be I've been talking to you. You already explained to me that you like to get things done quick. So, I'll get you to that hospital at a pretty not as fast, but we'll get you there faster than probably an ambulance because my unit is smaller and it drives a lot faster. >> Okay. >> Okay. Can you do me a favor? Can you buckle up for me? The buckle's just right there on the side. Okay. I know it's a little warm. I'm going to turn on the AC for you. Okay. If it gets too cold, let me know. Okay. >> When my So, you're going to let my mom take me home after this. >> She You already talked to Connor and I'm just going to get you to the hospital and then they'll work things out with you and your mom. Okay. >> Mhm. >> All right. Thank you. I appreciate you. All right. Do you have a favorite type of music I can put on for us? >> Anything but rap. >> Anything but rap? Do you like country? >> Yes. >> Okay. Country it is. Then let me go ahead and close this door and then I'm going to go ahead and Is it hot or do you want the air condition? >> I don't want the air. >> I need warm. >> Okay. You need warm. >> How How much of a ride is it to the hospital? >> Uh so we're going to Presbyterian, so it's about 15 minutes. Okay. Do you think you can hold on for 15 minutes? >> Yes. >> Okay. Give me one second. Let me go talk to them real quick and then you and I first get in the hospital now >> just to see if they're gonna one of them is going to be there with us as well. >> So my partner's going to do that after that. Just get with me on uh >> what? I don't know what you're talking about. >> Okay. So actually you and I are just going to leave. They're going to call me. Okay. >> I don't know what you're talking about. >> All right. Well, you and I are going to go to the hospital. Okay. So I'm going to close the door. Watch your leg there. However, no formal charges are explicitly filed or announced against either the mother or the daughter. What do you think about how the officer handled this situation? Let us know your thoughts in the comments. Thanks for watching. Stay sharp, stay aware, and we'll see you in the next one.