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into it so this is a case that I was
gonna cover last week but I just didn't
get to it there was a little more to it
so I really wanted to give it the the
full attention that this case deserves
so this happened in Circleville Ohio
back on July 4th and what happened was
is uh there was a Ohio State Police
where uh were conducting a traffic stop
on a semi truck now the the traffic stop
was for something minor it was for a
missing mud flap and the driver of that
semi truck was it was a young man named
jadarius Rose for for some reason
jadarius Rose he didn't stop for police
officers and he just kept going well in
a lot of different states in a lot of
different not only is there state law
but in a lot of different states there's
also police department policy which
basically tells police officers hey
here's when you can engage in a vehicle
Pursuit here's when you can't engage in
a vehicle pursued I can tell you that
the state that I live in where I've
worked as a police officer for 18 years
something like an equipment violation a
missing mud flap that isn't something
that our police department at least at
least the police department around me
most of them would not be able to get
involved in a vehicle pursuit in the for
that kind of a thing I'm really curious
to see I know I know the answer for some
of the people who live in California but
I'm really curious to see what some of
the other state laws might be if where
you live would even allow police
officers to you know get into a vehicle
Pursuit for this kind of violation
either way this was a legal traffic stop
Mr Rose decided that he was above the
law and he didn't stop now police
officers chased him I should note that
this isn't like a busy intersection it's
not like in Cincinnati or Cleveland or
any of those other big cities this is in
Circleville Ohio which I have no idea
where it is except you can tell by the
body camera video that it's pretty much
in the middle of nowhere and that even
getting involved in a high-speed Pursuit
it's not like there were pedestrians or
a whole lot of other traffic so you know
really a situation like this it probably
wasn't unsafe to do so this vehicle
Chase with Mr Rose it goes on for quite
a while just about 20 minutes what I
should say is a few minutes into it Mr
Rose actually stops so he stops the the
truck on the side of the road he pulls
over so it looks like he's going to
cooperate but then before he even makes
contact with police officers he goes
ahead and he drives away and he keeps on
going without stopping for police
officers like I said this goes on for
about 20 minutes during that time he
actually calls 9-1-1 he's on the phone
with dispatch and he's basically saying
hey I'm driving this semi truck and the
police officers are trying to stop me
but I don't want to stop because I don't
want to be heard or injured now here's
the thing which I just find is so
strange if your goal is to not be hurt
or injured by police the best
statistical chance that you have
especially on something like a traffic
stop is to just stop your truck give the
police officer all the documents that
any normal person would have to give the
officer take your ticket take your
warning and then go about your day the
statistically I mean nothing's a hundred
percent okay but statistically that is
the best chance that anyone has of
getting not harmed by a police officer
during an interaction and when I say to
statistical best chance probably like
there's like a 99.9 chance that if
you're stopped for a missing mud flap
and you're reasonable with the police
officer and you hand them you hand them
your driver's license that's a 99.99
chance that again you're going to be
fine you're going to get your ticket and
you are going to and you're going to uh
just be fine going on your way so
finally though after about 20 minutes Mr
Rhodes he does stop and he does get out
of the vehicle now I should say that
when he gets out of the vehicle he does
cooperate a little bit so you know
essentially what police officers wanted
him to do was to walk back towards
police officers place his hands behind
his back get down to his knees so they
can go ahead and place him in handcuffs
so he did a couple of those things but
not all of those things so he did exit
the vehicle he walked out towards police
officers but he got pretty much halfway
in between where the semi truck was and
where the police officers were and the
police officers wanted him to walk back
probably another 20 or 30 feet or so so
they didn't have to approach him so they
could walk back to where the police
officers were but he stopped now he did
have his hands in the air so he wasn't
reaching for any kind of weapons or
anything like that he did have his hands
in the air but he wasn't doing exactly
what police officers wanted again now
you're in a situation where police
officers are giving you commands
statistically speaking the safest thing
you can do is just comply and do what
they're asking you to do resisting
arrest not doing what they're asking you
to do you know arguing at that point the
only you're only increasing the odds
that something is going to go wrong and
that's exactly what happened because if
something didn't go wrong you know we
wouldn't be talking about it because
there are tens of thousands of traffic
stops every single day that happen when
people do what the police officers ask
and they act like decent humans that you
know nothing happens so we don't ever
talk about it now one of the issues with
this is this wasn't just Ohio State
Police so in like a lot this not only
happens in big cities but it's really
common in you know smaller rural areas
of the country that when there is a
police incident one area one
jurisdiction may not have that many
officers so it's really common to ask
for assistance from other neighboring
Police Department so again like I said
this started with Ohio State Police or
Ohio State Troopers and then one of the
officers that helped was a Circleville
Ohio police officer so essentially a
Small Town police officer a Small Town
Police from Circleville were also on
scene so as they were as they were
giving as the as the the state police
officers were giving commands a
Circleville police officer which to me
this is just crazy Crossfire because
yeah you have to imagine this so the the
police are on one side Mr Rose is in the
middle and then pretty much on the other
side of Mr Rose is there's the canine
Officer from Circleville which to me and
again I never went to swat school I'm
not a tactical guy I did Patrol for
about 15 years DWI unit in Internal
Affairs compliance but I never worked
tactical but even me someone who hasn't
gone through SWAT school I know that
this doesn't make a whole lot of sense
what you don't do is you don't have
police officers the person that they're
interacting with kind of in a line and
then someone behind that's Crossfire
that makes no sense and and tactically
doesn't make any sense as well because
if you want there to be a force array
essentially multiple different Force
options that police officers can use you
want that to basically have Central
Command you want one individual one
supervisor being in control of all that
well if you have someone who's standing
50 feet away they're not going to be
able to hear exactly especially if you
don't have the same radio system you
there isn't any way to to hear what's
going on to give to give commands in a
reasonable manner so what ended up
happening was as they were giving him
commands the state police officers were
giving Mr Rose commands just like they
should and you could tell that they were
just gonna it seemed like they were just
kind of waited out they hadn't shot a 40
millimeter at him they hadn't hit him
with a bean bag
um they hadn't done they hadn't used any
Force they were just giving verbal
commands well the canine Officer on the
other side was also giving commands
again that's a problem in and of itself
you won one individual giving commands
especially in a situation like this
where the person it's like he's armed
with a gun and he's waving it around and
everyone just yelling and screaming
because you know you're in the moment
with with a deadly threat I mean this is
a situation that was you know
semi-controlled and the k n officer on
the other side he starts giving canine
warnings he starts saying things to the
effect of if you don't comply I'm going
to release the dog and then eventually
he says if you don't comply I'm gonna
release the dog this is your final
warning now again let's look at this
from the from the position of Mr Rose
which Mr Rose made all kinds of mistakes
and essentially caused this entire thing
to happen up to this point but if you
look at it from the position of Mr Rose
yeah he's not cooperating but he really
has two different sets of instructions
he's a canine Officer talking to him
from one side and state police officers
talking him from the other side so if
you have a situation like this that's
not how we want police officers to
manage situations so what ends up
happening is is the Canaan officer
eventually starts to approach Mr Rose
and as he's doing it I captured on body
camera video from the Ohio State Police
an officer is saying don't release the
dog don't release the dog don't release
the dog now what ended up happening is
um he fixes the cable all right so he he
ends up releasing the dog Mr Rose gets
just bit to [ __ ] by this land shark
because that's what happens when people
get bit by canines you know eventually
they get the dog off him he has injuries
but but there's no way that that level
of force was a reasonable level of force
it doesn't make it doesn't make make a
whole lot of sense
um yeah so I mean basically a canine dog
is like a it's like a hair missile I
mean these things are these things are
just just incredible tools for police
officers to use but this wasn't the
correct situation usually it's a Belgian
Malinois or a German Shepherd is what
police officers have typically it's
about Belgian Malinois at least the last
15 years or so that I've been in that's
typically that's typically what I see um
for canines
um now a lot of people are saying you
know watching this you know and again
hindsight is 20 20 especially if you
don't have any police experience people
are saying well you know why did the
canine Officer release the dog I mean
here we see on body camera video you
have the state police saying don't
release the dog then he goes and
releases it like what the hell is wrong
with this guy well I just if you watch
the body camera footage I just want to
point out that yes we're able to hear
that because we're watching it on our
phones on our on our on our on our
computers on our on our TVs from the
comfort safety of our own home most of
the time with no other distractions
around and we have the benefit of
listening to the body camera footage
listening to Don't release the dog
hearing those hearing those words those
orders we have the benefit of hearing it
basically the person who's saying it the
camera is about two feet away on that
person's body the canine Officer there's
no way that he hears that there's no way
that he hears that and then purposely
ignores that he's he's 50 feet away he's
40 feet away so he doesn't hear it and
we know that because captured on his
body camera video is after it's done he
says he's he's confused he's the Canon
officer is confused that the other
police officers I'm saying are irritated
and upset with him he says something to
the effect of like he wasn't complying
right why is everybody mad at me so this
was this was just a tactical mistake
this is why you have police officers
when there's a force array pretty much
all stand together or at least be in
radio communication if you're going to
be on different sides of something and
one of the most important things when it
comes to situations like this is that
there is no independent action you have
one supervisor a lieutenant a sergeant a
commander whoever the highest ranking
person is on scene and unless there is
an immediate deadly threat which there
obviously wasn't here at this point with
Mr Rose unless there is an immediate
deadly threat you do not take
independent action without the Unseen
supervisor giving give giving an order
or an authorization of a use of force so
it seems like the Ohio State Police knew
this so again why they were okay why
they were okay with the Canon officer
being on the other side doesn't make a
whole lot of sense it just seems like
what they should have done I'm gonna
2020 hindsight because it's reasonable
when something goes wrong it's
reasonable to talk about some of the
police tactics and policy that led to
that and say hey how can police officers
do it better to avoid stuff like this in
the future so it just seems like you
know before you start using force or
anything that police officers with Ohio
state would do whatever they could and
again maybe they did this maybe they had
someone on the phone with the supervisor
trying to get the Canon officer to the
other side but again he was in the line
of Crossfire and he definitely couldn't
hear what the supervisors for State
Police were saying That's How stuff like
this happens
um I should say that Mr Rose was charged
with felony eluding police which he
absolutely should be so just because one
police officer screwed up and and
engaged in the use of force with a
canine which was not objectively
reasonable and that's my opinion that
that use of force was not objectively
reasonable um again even the on scene
even the other on scene police officers
did not think it was objectively
reasonable before or after and again
that's clear on the body camera footage
so the use of force was not objectively
reasonable but again what what Mr Rose
did you of course he should be charged
with felony eluding absolutely there's
no question now I know what people are
going to say because I put a couple of
these videos up on Instagram and on Tick
Tock and what people say is they're
saying oh so so because because he had a
missing mud flap that he deserves he
deserves to get bit by a canine no I
never said that I would never say that
in fact I'm specifically saying that
that use of force was not appropriate it
was not reasonable
um however yes he should be charged he
absolutely should be charged with
fleeing a law enforcement officer
because again had Mr Rose stopped his
truck and given the document to the
police officer just like he's required
to do an unlawful traffic stop he would
have gotten his he would have gotten his
ticket or he would have gotten his
verbal warning he would have been on his
way um but instead of that because he
didn't cooperate he is going to be the
highest Ohio's newest millionaire all
right let's see what kind of questions
we have from people um Sergeant George
says the screen from Mr Rose was
terrifying I mean I mean it was obvious
that Ohio Troopers tried to warn the
Circleville officer to not release the
canine but the circle officer did it out
of spite yeah Sergeant George I'm not
sure why the Circleville officer did it
like I said you can see on one of the
body camera videos that he thought he
was doing the right thing because you
know like right after he looks confused
he says he says well the guy wasn't
complying right why are they all mad at
me why is everybody upset so he's asking
these questions out loud and he looks he
looks confused um I should also say
before I get to a couple more comments
that the Circleville officer he was
fired from the from the police
department after this happened um let's
see uh why didn't a large says if that
dog attacked you then it would be a
different rationale I'm not sure who
you're referring to why didn't because
I'm saying that the use of force from
the dog was not reasonable it was not
within policy and the cops shouldn't
have done it so I'm not sure who that
comments directed to but okay Alabama
says I heard an officer say if you don't
comply we we can't guarantee your safety
um yeah Alabama police officer yeah I'd
have to go back and look at that
normally what they say Alabama man I
can't guarantee it here because
obviously the police made mistakes
typically what police officers say in a
situation like this what the training is
is they say something to the effect of
if you comply we can guarantee your
safety so usually they don't add in
negatives on that usually they say if
you do this we can guarantee your safety
again I'd have to go back and look but
that's typically what the training is
and and that's a good thing to say not
only is it a good thing to say but
police officers also have to follow
through with that which obviously
mistakes happen but if you say it they
should follow through with it and again
no matter what crime someone committed
if someone is cooperating during the
arrest police officers should not
utilize Force I think we all agree there
Rich says uh that's uh pretty good for a
guy with uh uh okay something about
viewers uh let's see
um a question for you why do some Flags
especially in courtrooms have gold
fridges on the edge
um rotten apple news you know that's a
good question I don't know I would have
to I would have to look that up I'm not
I'm not a flag expert I'll be 100 honest
Levi says I also believe no special
treatment for other cops doctors judges
attorneys if there's probable cause they
should be treated the same as anyone
agree 100 and Levi says okay uh uh
golden fringes to Homage the Queen of
England I'm not sure about that but okay
uh let's see um officer blue gun hey
how's it going man um officer blue gun
says passive compliance does not equal
sending a dog bad training agree with
you 100 officer blue gun thank you so
much um normally officer blue gun and I
see these cases just about the same way
because officer blue gun's a real smart
guy you should go follow his channel uh
rotten apple news says Levi Nolan only
in part uh what do the okay talking
about the golden fringes uh let's see
Levi's says if not violent felony I
would not pursue to endanger the public
Levi that's a really interesting point
and you know I'm going to go ahead and
agree with you and I get [ __ ] so one of
the things that I like to do is
sometimes I'll say something and I'll
get [ __ ] from both sides you know so
that's kind of that's kind of how I know
that I'm kind of on the right track when
people who are always pro-police get mad
at me and people who are always
anti-police when when they get mad at me
as well when I kind of be that calm
little Center Center in the middle I
know that I'm probably doing the right
thing and I agree with you that on Levi
I don't like vehicle Pursuits um for a
lot of reasons because it is just an
increasingly dangerous not just for the
offenders but for the public for police
officers I'm not I'm not crazy about
vehicle Pursuits especially with a lot
of the technology we have and again I
know that not every department has this
but a lot of police departments do have
drones they have helicopters
um but the thing is is something like
this an equipment violation a mud flap
you could say well you know Circleville
Ohio they don't have a helicopter they
they can't go ahead and deploy that well
you know what for something like a mud
flap should we as taxpayers should we
really be using those resources for that
kind of stuff anyways a 20 a 20-minute
Chase involving how many cops and
supervisors and dispatchers and
resources and having rescue on standby
all of that for a missing mud flap for
something that's dangerous I mean to me
that just doesn't make a whole lot of
sense I'm not crazy about vehicle chases
um especially if it's something like a
commercial motor vehicle where you have
a license plate so it should be one of
those things and please if and again
again I was never I was never a
certified to be a commercial motor
vehicle inspector obviously or anything
like that but you know in my experience
please correct me if I'm wrong if anyone
knows this please correct me if I'm
wrong but if you have a license plate on
a commercial motor vehicle running that
license plate you know it should give
you the name of that company when I've
run you know in like I said didn't do a
whole lot with trucks but in working on
the street for 15 years yeah I have run
license plates and I have stopped trucks
before so when you do that it does come
up with the owner with the owner of that
company it just should be a pretty easy
thing to run the license plates get the
it should be it should be one of those
things where you could just uh run the
license plates get the name of the
company do a Google search call the
company and say hey I tried to do a
druid traffic stop here um who was the
driver he didn't stop you know hey
company we'll even send you all the body
camera footage he'll get in trouble at
work and they'll probably give you the
personal information of the driver so
you can go ahead and issue a criminal
summons he can still face the charges
without
um uh without T could still face the
charges without having to do any kind of
a Chase that's the kind of stuff that
that I prefer
um but but yeah officer blue gun but
Daniel why would someone run for just a
mud flap most of the time there was much
more serious reasons oh great yeah no
100 because yeah officer blue gun
exactly because a reasonable person
isn't going to run for just a mud flap
now this person wasn't a reasonable
person so Mr Rose wasn't again so also
officer blue and I would ask well what
kind of person doesn't stop for a
Mudflap and again he didn't know why
police were trying to stop him I mean he
didn't know the reason but you know um
what kind of person I've had dozens
hundreds of people flee from me and not
one of them ever called the police while
they were running and saying hey this
cop is trying to pull me over but I
don't really want to stop because again
that gives police officers your phone
number which they could probably trace
and find out who you are so so obviously
something wasn't right with this guy
because he made a lot of strange
situations all right a couple more a
couple more comments here uh let's see
that mud flap was on camera and the
ticket should be sent not a Chase yeah
news now Tammy I agree with you yeah I
like that uh I like that a whole lot uh
Levi says uh meanwhile President Clinton
and countless okay
um all right uh let's see Alabama man
how do you prove who's driving yeah
Alabama and that would be that would be
correct that could be difficult however
if you go ahead and uh call the company
and they say yeah you know what that car
is registered to uh jadarius Rose we're
looking at our logs he was there he was
there that day and again since it's just
a misdemeanor ticket I mean it's one of
those things where it's like how many
resources are you going to go ahead and
do but again you go ahead and as a
police officer what I would do is I
would go ahead and I would call the
company and I would have them send us
send all the documentation for the
criminal summons I would have my body
camera rolling while I'm on the phone
while I'm on the phone with them and
they say yeah the the person driving
this car based on our logs was jadarius
Rose I mean you don't need a whole lot
to establish who the driver was
especially if you get the documentation
from the company and you have the
company on the phone saying this um and
again and it's a it's a traffic ticket
Mr Rose probably lives out of state he's
not going to come back anyway so again
how many resources are you going to um
are you going to expend on this um yeah
so that was that case um that was uh uh
that was a really that was a situation
where again it was not a not a good use
of force I don't think the officer
there's no bad intent it doesn't seem it
just seems like he didn't know um again
because afterwards he's asking questions
he's confused about why the other cops
on scene are mad at him and that's what
I want to say as well is that a lot of
people think like when they talk about
like oh police are bad or please are
racist and all this kind of stuff and
they point they use like they use a case
like this to say this is the case this
is why police are bad well I mean really
it proves the exact opposite because
here we are in a small town in Ohio you
have 15 cops on scene and 14 of the 15
are saying that's [ __ ] up you
shouldn't have done that so again if
we're going to say that all Cod that cop
if this is an example of police officers
being bad no no this is an example of
One Cop messing up and immediately after
14 to 15 cops saying yeah this guy
screwed up again and then and then the
police officer um went ahead the police
department went ahead and fired the
officer so again you know this basically
shows that when a cop messes up and I do
think he messed up in this situation
like I said a bunch of times when a
police officer messes up this is
typically what happens he gets fired and
the guy is probably going to get a
lawsuit and become Ohio's newest
millionaire all right uh let's see let's
see if we um let's see uh the next case
here so this is a case that was really
interesting and I actually covered this
before I knew whether or not the
individuals were going to be charged
some I covered this on a tick tock and
in Instagram and um I I this is the case
that happened in Stockton California
with 7-Eleven clerks and let me tell you
this video is just an unbelievable video
it was shot by a shot by a cell phone
camera it's an absolute absolute great
video so what what happened in this case
is there were a couple clerks who work
at 7-Eleven and while they were working
at 7-Eleven a 41 year old individual
named Tyrone Frazier came in and what Mr
Frazier started to do is he basically
just with this level of arrogance and
entitlement he started he went behind
the counter and he had an empty trash
can and he's basically started knocking
stuff off the shelf just random things
off the shelf into the trash can and
because he was going to shoplift and
steal those items so one of the ways
that the clerks knew that Mr Tyrone
Frazier was going to steal those items
in shoplift is because within the 24
hours before this he went into the store
two other times shoplifted items and
both times he told the clerks that he
had a gun and he threatened them with a
gone both times that night they never
saw a gun he just said I have a gun
leave me the [ __ ] alone
um so this time they the clerks were
prepared they weren't going to let that
happen a third time so as he's doing
this um one of the clerks went behind Mr
Frazier and grabbed him from behind
dragged him down to the ground and the
other clerk took a broomstick and he
starts beating him mostly in the legs
with this broomstick now listen they
beat this [ __ ] so long and so
hard that the one clerk had to take
breaks I mean the video is incredible
you can see the clerk is kind of tired
and um uh yeah and uh uh yeah it's
um you can see that he's tired because
he has to take breaks as he's beating
him so you know they do this for a while
then they let him go you know Mr Mr
Frazier doesn't have any serious
injuries I mean a lot of people see this
as you know that stores are just getting
you know shoplifting people are
threatening clerks and this is kind of
like one for the good guys um but you
know there was a risk that they were
going to be charged for this and and I
made a video you can go you can go you
can go back and look that um I I went
and I did a video on this before when so
what we knew is that you know we knew
who Mr Frazier was they said he was
going to be charged with um they pretty
much tied him to a bunch of other
robberies
um but also but also
um that that the the clerks themselves
may be looking at criminal charges so I
did a video on it before I knew the
outcome and basically here's what I said
I said I doubt that they're going to be
charged and even though it's California
here's why because this individual
because the force does look excessive
you know if you just if you just watch
it you know not in in totality but you
just see the beating you think well this
this seems excessive for shoplifting but
you have to think about it like this so
I said if this was the individual who
had come in before and had threatened to
and had threatened to uh a robbery with
a gun that it would be reasonable that
that the clerks would think that maybe
he is armed maybe he does have a gun and
the idea is that you're going to use
Force so he can't so you get him totally
subdued so he can't reach for a weapon
like that's it's a pretty reasonable
defense that even if they were charged
like that's a pretty good defense to
have again because he's previously
threatened you with a gun so the idea
that you're going to use Force enough so
you're not hitting him in the head
hitting him in the legs that he doesn't
have a chance to reach for a gun that
he's already threatened you with like
that's that's you know that seems like
it could be in the bounds of being
reasonable and especially because you
know he had committed multiple felonies
there before so we just found out
yesterday that the clerks are not going
to be charged and they actually did tie
Mr Frazier not only to the two prior
robberies in this store but multiple
robberies all around the Stockton
California area so um yeah so that was
uh that was a really that was really
good news um so yeah go ahead and try
that in a small town uh let's see if we
have any questions here so arom Vala
says tell us how you feel about the
police benevolent Association the
Fraternal Order of Police courtesy cards
used for the last 50 years that we
better know your character and honesty
oh that's a rough one
um well so I'm gonna say something about
the police benevolent card so
um the best thing I could the most
accurate thing I can say about that is I
don't know a whole lot about it the
reason is is because no one in my state
does that so I I've worked in the same
state for for 18 years and we don't pass
out those kind of cards so we don't we
don't have those kind of cards so that
isn't the culture that we have in my
state or in in the police department
that I was with um in general I think
it's a bad idea so again now I'm going
to talk about stuff that doesn't happen
in the area that I worked out of that I
have no personal I have no personal
association with
um but to me it sounds like a bad idea
um it sounds like a bad idea so officer
blue gun said what the heck are these
cards so thank you officer blue gun so
so I I don't think that's a thing in
every state it's not common knowledge to
a lot of police officers
um my understanding is maybe this is a
thing that is maybe this is a thing that
is like
um further uh further out east
um maybe but again I don't I don't know
I never worked I never worked or lived
out east um it appears that maybe Ohio
is a place that has them but again I
don't have any experience with it best
thing I can answer your questions like
it sounds like a bad idea
um it doesn't sound like a good idea I
don't really see the the purpose of it
no one should be above the law just
because you're a friend or family member
of a police officer
um yeah that should have nothing to do
with whether or not you're charged with
a crime
um so final answer is I don't like it
don't think it makes sense if anyone
disagrees I would really like to hear
the the opposite side of that I would
really really be interested to see if
anyone else has something to say that's
you know basically uh the opposite of
the opinion I want to see what that
argument is because again it's not part
of my culture and it just doesn't make
sense I think it's a bad idea that's my
answer uh
yeah so it seems like it's a huge thing
on the East Coast which again I've never
I grew up in the Midwest and the last 18
years I've lived in the southwest never
lived on the East Coast it seems like
that's probably uh where where it
happens though um let's see uh let's see
rotten apple news says have you ever
arrested any bad cops during your career
um I have had to arrest police officers
yes uh let's see any other comments here
let's see Rich Spillman says um the
stick didn't break so it couldn't have
been excessive uh absolutely uh okay
um all right so we're gonna go ahead and
move on to the next case the next case
this was an officer involved shooting in
San Francisco and you know I don't say
this a whole lot but this is probably
the one of the most justifiable
officer-involved shootings that's ever
been captured on video certainly within
the last year let me tell you what
happened so this happened in San
Francisco so San Francisco San Francisco
was San Francisco police officers the
narcotics team they were they had
someone who had an outstanding and
active warrant um so they weren't in
full uniform but they did have all had
they had on vests that said police
um also you can watch all the body
camera footage I've seen all the body
camera footage there is no there is no
anyone not the individual being arrested
not friends and family and not Mr
Bluford who was shot and killed by
police officers whoever questioned
whether or not they were police so and I
did a video on this on Instagram and
Tick Tock and a lot of people were
saying was well how did they even know
that that they were police officers well
they did because again you can watch the
body camera footage and at no point did
anyone question whether they were cops
or not again because you know when you
when you live in a not great area and
you know what the police officers look
like and all they had all had vests and
jackets on that said pulley so again no
one was confused so I just want to say
that right off the bat so these
undercover police officers you know they
were marked up for this
um they did contact someone who had an
outstanding warrant they placed them in
handcuffs and this person was resisting
arrest so he wasn't it wasn't like a
knock down drag out fight the individual
let police officers put him in handcuffs
but he didn't want to walk to the police
car he was kind of struggling well it
was at that point that a whole bunch of
other it was it was at that point a
whole bunch of other people it was at
that point that a whole bunch of other
people started to gather around who
really had nothing to do with the arrest
wanted the individuals one of the
individuals that came up with a 41 year
old man named Ryan Bluford now Ryan
Bluford had nothing to do with this
arrest he wasn't detained by police
police weren't looking for him so
essentially he could have just gone
completely about his day had no contact
with police officers again he wasn't the
target of police he wasn't no officers
were looking for me I can't stand up he
had nothing to do with this case and Mr
blueford decided to unnecessarily insert
himself right into this police incident
for absolutely no reason so he basically
gets in the faces of the police officers
he's screaming he's yelling at him he's
swearing at him and he is demanding at
the point police officers released this
individual he's saying now I should add
based on zero evidence that the
individual doesn't have a warrant
um again again he's he's factually wrong
because the person did have an active
and outstanding warrant but Mr Bluford
is screaming and yelling at police
officers you can watch on the body
camera footage that he actually he isn't
like standing 10 or 20 feet away he gets
right in the face of a police officer
within like two feet of the police
officer screaming that they have to
release him he's also threatening police
officers he's threatening to kill police
officers during this time as well now
the thing about being a police officer
especially in a town like San Francisco
or any big city is police officers are
accustomed to dumb people saying really
dumb things and most of the time police
officers don't react to it because it's
just so normal now if you have a regular
job that isn't big isn't a police
officer if you're a realtor or or if
you're an accountant maybe you aren't
used to you know people screaming in
your face and saying just stupid [ __ ]
cops are used to that and especially in
a place like San Francisco so they don't
do anything which is good because I mean
a huge First Amendment guy so if someone
wants to yell and scream at police
officers again I could think this guy's
a [ __ ] idiot but and he is an idiot
but he should be allowed to say it I
don't like when police officers when
they hear something that they don't like
they try to detain people or restrict
speech that's the kind of thing where
100 times out of 100 I'm going to come
on this channel and I'm going to say
police officers had guessed the person
was saying something stupid but being
stupid is not against the law as long as
you are not interfering with an
investigation which he wasn't because
this guy was still under arrest he can
Ryan Bluford can say all the dumb things
he wants right that police officers
should not detain people or restrict any
kind of Freedom just for speech and I'm
very clear on that many times so police
officers didn't do anything to Mr
blueford again even though he's
literally Screaming two feet from their
faces they don't do anything to him
however at one point Mr Bluford amps it
up and he reaches in his pocket and he
pulls out a gun at that point the police
officers they yell he has got a gun he's
got a gun they kind of all back up they
take cover they get marked off as Mark
you officers in there and they pretty
much surround Mr blueford now at this
point now Mr blueford is the subject of
detention by police officers because
he's yelling and screaming that he's
going to pull he's going to kill police
officers then he pulls out a gun and he
starts waving the gun around to the
credit of police officers they don't
shoot him right away okay so had they
just immediately as soon as he pulled
the gun out had they fired their weapons
and shot and killed him it would
probably be a Justified officer involved
shooting the reason is is because he
threatened to kill police officers now
he's pulling out a gun and he's waving
it around so I most people could say
yeah I get why a police officer would be
in fear for their safety you know that
seems like it could be a deadly force
situation but police officers do not
shoot him right away in fact they give
him little it's on body camera video
they give him literally dozens and
dozens of warnings and commands to drop
the gun well Mr blueford not only does
he not drop the gun and this is what I
say is this is the most justified
officer involved shooting almost that
I've ever seen or at least in the last
year or so it with the gun in his hand
he raises it up and he points it like
this towards a police officer once the
gun is directly pointed at a police
officer and it's clear it's all on video
Once the gun is is pointed at a police
officer it's only at that moment that
police officers use very reasonable
deadly force
um so Mr blueford he was shot and killed
by by police officers
um a couple things on that his his and
of course is always going to happen I
don't like to
say negative things about the family of
anyone killed by police because that has
to be such a such a difficult thing to
go through so I don't like to criticize
them but I do think it's reasonable to
question the things that they say so
what a couple of them said in the to to
local news over there in San Francisco
is I wish that the police would have
de-escalated more listen listen when
there's a gun is pointed at you when a
gun is pointed directly at you the time
for de-escalation has passed you have no
other seconds left to your life that's
it you have to act whether you're a
regular person a citizen a regular
citizen or you're a police officer when
there was a gun pointed at you you the
really you don't have any other option
again the time for de-escalation has
passed but that was a question that the
family had you know what they should be
asking questions and the police
department at some point when they're
allowed to they should get some answers
I absolutely agree with it now I have a
couple questions some of my questions
are that Ryan Bluford back in 2000 back
in 2006 he was convicted of rape it was
a gang rape where the victim was a 16
year old girl he did a decade in prison
all right he gets out in 2022 so about a
year ago in 2022 he was arrested for
domestic violence and sexual assault why
was he out of prison why was he not in
jail so that's my question also
California has some pretty strict gun
laws and we've talked a lot about gun
laws on this channel California has some
pretty strict gun laws how did he get a
how did he get a gun why did Mr blueford
even have a gun so these are some of the
questions that I have that I think that
I think are really what the family
should be asking is why is he out of
jail and why did he even have a gun why
was he pointing a gun at police again
for a situation that he had nothing to
do with it just doesn't make a whole lot
of sense but yeah that was The Bluford
case it's all on body camera video the
one thing that San Francisco police does
and a lot of police departments do this
but the one of the things that I've
noticed about San Francisco police is
that they do a really good job with
transparency which I think is really
important you know whether you're on the
left or the right hopefully we can all
agree that transparency from the police
department is something that we all want
it's certainly something that I want so
here's what the police department does
they don't just do a video um like like
a pre-made video of hey this is what
happened this is the body camera footage
now I really do like when police
departments do that I think that's great
but San Francisco police department they
actually take it another step further
they do it all live so they do it live
it's broadcast and you can you can go
ahead and watch it um they have someone
talk about the call they play all the
body camera footage so this briefing
this community briefing that they had
Live on YouTube for everyone to see it
was about 90 minutes and I watched the
entire thing they showed all the body
camera footage they showed they slowed
they slowed some of the stuff down and
they did they showed exactly exactly
what happened also they showed some of
the surveillance footage that they were
able to get from different different
businesses in the area and stuff like
that they showed they showed the
surveillance footage and then afterwards
now they do do something kind of strange
and if you have a chance um I did a
story about this on on Instagram over at
police law news that it's really
interesting what they do this part I'm
not I'm not crazy about but again it
does make for a great um a great reel I
made it's what they do is they they
basically let after the briefing's over
they let random people call in and on
this live Community briefing that's
broadcast to anybody they let random
people call in and basically as the
police chief is standing there basically
yell at the police chief now when they
when they did it um when they did it uh
yeah it's like a long time listener
first time caller police chief the
police suck you know it's that it's
absolutely crazy this is Jack from Ohio
I'm calling for the first time it's
absolutely crazy so so you know a bunch
of the people were like you know saying
you know why did the you know we're glad
the police did this but it's this is a
situation where and I think conversation
is good between police leaders and
citizens but this is the case a
situation where the police chief really
can't say anything back he just has to
sit there and listen to it no matter how
good or how ridiculous the calls are and
one call where they said you know we
know that the with it was a very
reasonable lady she said you know we
know that the police really tried in
this case thank you for showing all
these videos thank you for showing the
de-escalation you know we see that the
police officers didn't shoot until a gun
was pointed at them um you know we want
to thank the police and the police chief
said Thank You caller and then someone
called in and not only does he say that
it says negative things about police
officers he says [ __ ] all the people who
were saying that the police officer did
a good job and afterwards the police
chief just says thank you caller so I
mean it's actually it's actually really
really really a strange thing that they
do
um yeah so it's a uh yeah I mean it's so
weird it's almost like you know if
you're the 15th caller we're going to
give you uh uh tickets to see see the
Spice Girls or something it's really
it's really strange
um all right okay so last case that I
want that I want to talk about this is
one that I've covered a lot and and the
entire country has covered a lot but
it's kind of wrapped up I think this is
the last outstanding piece of this
really important case that um this is a
really important piece
um to this to this case let me answer
one question really quick I think there
4am says how do you feel about the
discrepancy between the 60 police that
were murdered by citizens last year and
the Thousand citizens that were murdered
by uh Elios why is the number so
one-sided I think therefore I am really
good question and I'm gonna go ahead and
answer it first of all you use the word
murder so murder means that there's a
crime the thousand people who were
killed by police officers the vast
majority of them were threatening police
officers so you can go ahead and
actually look at all the different
officer involved shootings that happen
and see exactly why people were shot um
very few of them were murdered which
means which means it was a crime what I
would say is is here's how here's how I
think that people should people should
should look at this um I think therefore
I am so so you basically have you
basically have 250 million
um citizen contacts between police
officers and citizens 250 million every
single year you have approximately 1 000
deadly shootings so what that means is
99.99999999 of the time there isn't an
officer involved shooting where someone
dies and then if we dig deep into those
cases which we absolutely do here on
this show most of them are like the case
that I just did now where someone is
pointing a gun at a police officer and
they go ahead and the police officers
kill the individual so again it's it's
unbelievably extremely rare that police
officers use unreasonable unlawful
deadly force now as I said before if a
police officer does use unreasonable
unlawful deadly force they of course
should be charged with a crime we don't
want police officers to to commit crimes
now now what I also want to say is put
that into a little more of a context
um so you know um so Albert New Mexico
has about 1.3 million calls for service
a year police have many different
interactions with people and you know
Albuquerque Police um you know maybe has
you know maybe sometimes five sometimes
fifteen but never more than 20 so out of
a officer-involved shootings a year and
again most of those aren't fatal so if
you think about that it's you know it's
it's you know you know five out of or
six or seven out of 1.3 million it's
unbelievably rare and that's a good
thing one of the goals of this one of
the reasons why I do this show is
because I'd like to talk about cases but
yes I also like to think about how can
police officers do things how can
citizens do things that there is less
violence between police and citizens
that's what we want so one of the things
that I think therefore and one of the
things that I always say is that if you
look at actually look at these cases
look at these data like they're not
random police aren't driving around
shooting randomly out of their car
that's not how it happens usually an
officer involved shooting it's a pretty
predictable thing normally what happens
is someone commits a felony then they
then police officers contact them and
they run fight or resist arrest or they
attack police officers so if you do
those things commit a felony and then
fight with police your chances of being
killed by a police officer go up
exponentially now take the group of
people who never commit a felony and
then again even Those who commit a
felony but don't resist arrest or attack
cops the chances that they're ever going
to be harmed by a police officer is
unbelievably low and that is what we
want um yeah so I that's that's what we
want we want less police shootings um
but most of the time an officer involved
shooting is 100 dictated by someone
pointing a gun at them good question
though I think therefore I am um yeah so
anyway I started blasting
um it's it's the last case I want to
talk about is the is the George Floyd
case because the fourth police officer
officer tutau who never had any physical
contact with Mr Floyd he was sentenced a
couple days ago let me tell you about
his sentence so just so everyone knows
about the George George Floyd case and
again it's something that a case
everybody should talk about Derek
Chauvin was the officer who was on
George Floyd his neck or his shoulder
area he's sentenced to you know
somewhere around 22 years in prison
officer
officer King was on uh George Floyd's
back kind of like in the middle of
George Floyd on his back he's doing
about five years in prison officer Lane
was on George Floyd's feet I think he's
doing about three years in prison or so
and officer two Tau was doing crowd
control when George Floyd threw himself
out of the police car now onto the
ground and police officers were holding
him there while rescue was on the way
and he was having a medical episode
because of all the fentanyl he took
while that was happening officer two Tao
was basically trying to hold back an
Angry Crowd now based on what Derek
Chauvin was doing should the crowd have
been angry yeah I'm going to go ahead
and say yes I think the crowd had a
reason to be angry I'm not mad at the
crowd but what I will say is that two
Tau basically his job was to keep the
crowd away that was his job because
think about it what would happen if one
two three or twelve of those people
started to rush police officers do you
think that that would be safer or less
safe for all the individuals on scene if
you're a police officer trying to
control a six foot four 260 pound guy
who's out of his mind and out of control
and now you have eight people rushing
you do you think the chances that that
could land in an officer-involved
shooting increase yeah it does so that's
why police officers are trained that you
have to keep if police officers are
doing a job and then you have um you
have to do crowd control you have to
keep those people away now again I get
it I understand why they were mad they
should have been mad I'm not questioning
that because again what Derek Chauvin
did was obviously not correct he
deserved to be in prison I I I don't
think he meant to do it but of course he
used unnecessary and probably excessive
force all right but it's reasonable for
two Tau to try to keep those two parties
separated it would only be less safe for
George Floyd again if 10 people started
rushing police officers like what would
you do as a police officer if there's
three or four of you there and 10 to 12
people start rushing at you and
attacking you are you going to use
deadly force because you're outnumbered
yeah that's possible so the idea of two
Tau and then again the training that he
had to try to separate those two parties
that's not an unreasonable thing yes do
I wish that two town would have said
something more to Derek Chauvin I mean
of course absolutely because this isn't
the reason that we want but again to
tell all he was doing was doing crowd
control he was just sentenced to I think
four years and nine months in prison um
I mean to me that's absolutely insane he
should not be sentenced to four years
and nine months in prison for doing
crowd control which was literally what
he was trained to do it's absolutely
what he was supposed to do he's gonna do
four years and nine months so think
about it this way he got more time in
prison than two of the officers who were
actually touching George Floyd So if you
look at in that context to me it's
absolutely insane so I was in I was I I
finished Law School in 2019 I'm in the
Minnesota area and so I had a lot of
contacts with people who lived in the
Twin City area and I remember when when
this happened I was saying that there's
absolutely I could see Derek Chauvin
getting charged I get it the two
officers who were on the back and elect
yeah I think they might be charged with
something but I remember arguing with
people if my some of my law school
friends and saying that there's
absolutely no way that officer two Tao
who is doing crowd control is going to
be charged with a crime that would add
be absolutely crazy like he's supposed
to keep the crowd away you know the cops
behind him who are actually dealing with
George Floyd no matter what they were
doing tutao had to keep the crowd away
um I was wrong so all my law school
friends who debated with me back in 2020
about this you were 100 right and I was
completely wrong on that one all right
well that's going to be our uh we'll
tell you know what let's say we haven't
you know we don't have any other
comments um okay don't don't heaven
don't have any other comments so yeah
that that's going to be the show for
today just like just like always if you
have any other cases that you think are
interesting or that you want us to cover
definitely put it in the chat um so this
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questions or comments um or if if there
are any um if there are any other
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