good
afternoon this is Daniel here with cops
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we're going to break down some of the
most interesting and important issues in
policing and really talk about some of
the cases that have been going on in the
world of policing across the country and
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welcome everyone in and uh let's get
going so the first case that we're going
to talk about we actually did cover this
a couple weeks ago when it first
happened but really it's been all over
the news the last couple weeks and this
is the case in New York City that
happened on May 1st with Jordan Neely
and Daniel penny so the reason why I'm
going to talk about it first and lead
off with this case is one you know there
are just a lot of different cases that
you know there are there are just some
cases and events that Inspire divide and
the the entire country this is just one
of those cases and this is really just
like it's gonna set a barometer for the
entire culture for the entire country
and where you fall on this particular
case in short this is an important case
so I am going to talk about it and since
we since you know two weeks ago when we
first talked about it there are there is
just a lot more information about this
case that's become available and I'm
really curious to see what other people
think about this case as well all right
so this was the case from May 1st of
2023
um this happened in New York City the
two individuals involved are Jordan
Neely and Daniel penny so if you
remember Jordan Neely is a 30 year old
they like to call him a Michael Jackson
impersonator because sometimes he
doesn't personate Michael Jackson on the
subway some of the other things that we
found out about Mr Neely is that he's a
homeless individual since 20 uh since uh
2003 he's been arrested
42 times some of the most notable most
notorious arrests are back in 2015 he
was arrested for trying to kidnap a
seven-year-old he did plead guilty to
some type of child abuse charge and he
actually only served four months in
prison for that particular case
um also some of the other notable ones
in 2021 so not that long ago within a
six-month period he battered two
different elderly women there was a 65
year old woman that he sucker punched
and then a 67 year old woman that he
broke her nose and her orbital bone when
he punched her for essentially no reason
on the date of this incident and again
the other individual Daniel Penny he
would have no way to know this
information I know that I get that but
on the date of the incident I think it
is Rel it is it is reasonable to want to
know on the date of the incident that Mr
Neely did have a warrant out for his
arrest for that second case where he
bashed up the 67 year old woman broke
her nose and orbital bone
um so yeah a Shaquille O'Neal says yes
absolutely so
um he was on the train and he was on the
train and he was yelling and screaming
and you know when you're arrested when
you're arrested 40
um uh when you're arrested uh you know
and I just want to say that you know
clearing warrants and saving people
shouldn't be a crime but Daniel Penny
was charged um some of my initial
thoughts about this case before I get
into some of the facts are you know it's
one of those things where like it's like
looking at the comments because I've
done about 10 Tick Tock videos on this
case um the Instagram I've talked to
there's a lot of different uh you
YouTube as well but I've talked to a lot
of different people through the comments
on on my videos on these cases and
here's what I found really the only men
that oppose what Daniel Penny did are
those who are so meek and and who are so
Meek that if they were in a situation
where they were on a subway where you
know someone was uh threatening elderly
women instead of standing up and doing
something they would just look for an
excuse to change to a different train
car it seems like that's the category of
people who oppose what Daniel Penny did
also it's not Daniel Penny's fault that
Jordan Neely was allowed to freely stalk
the streets in search of of completing
his psychotic Narrative of terrorizing
innocent people the courts Advocates
lawmakers his family those people those
groups of people are far more liable and
responsible for what happened than
Daniel penny so on the date of this
incident like he had multiple times
Jordan nearly got on the subway and
started screaming and yelling at random
people
um it got to the point where he was
screaming and yelling and it wasn't just
that he was also threatening people so
there's a factual issue there's a
factual a question of fact about whether
or not Jordan Neely was issuing death
threats so was he actually threatening
individuals by with killing them was he
saying that because you know when we
look at Daniel Penny's actions here in a
couple minutes I'll get to it but you
know if Jordan Neely was just screaming
and yelling and ranting and raving
that's one thing but if he's actively
threatening to kill someone that's a
different thing and I think that we can
all recognize this so the factual
question that I think we all have to
have to answer is was Jordan Neely
threatening to kill people so what
evidence do we have about whether or not
he was threatening to kill people well
he was screaming and yelling on the
subway here are some of the things here
are some of the things that he was
yelling um he was yelling on the subway
he threw down his he was demanding food
and water he took off his jacket and he
violently threw his jacket down on the
ground he started pacing back and forth
and yelling he was kind of approaching
people but didn't touch anyone and there
were several people including elderly
people who moved to the other side of
the train car in order to get away from
Mr Neely some of the things he said are
I'll hurt anyone on this train I would
kill a [ __ ] I don't care I'll
take a bullet I'm ready to go back to
jail he then said he would do life well
if we take that into account so the
actions of the screaming and the yelling
the throwing down the jacket um the the
approaching people and then when you say
these things such as I would kill a
[ __ ] I don't care I'll take a
bullet and I don't mind doing life or
I'll go back and do life I think
everyone knows whether you live in New
York City whether you live in New York
City or not I think you know that
there's really only one crime where
people do life in prison for and that's
murder so given the situation given the
facts of the situation of what happened
I think it's reasonable to believe that
not only Daniel Penny but other
individuals on the train had a
reasonable belief that Jordan Neely
might try to seriously hurt someone or
kill someone
um uh let's see Angela says uh he didn't
need to die uh he is mentally ill call
the police okay uh Angela I appreciate
the comment I'm going to get to that I'm
gonna get to that here in a second so
you're Anna you're on a subway Angela so
um again I'm not from New York but I
grew up in Chicago so I grew up uh uh
driving those uh I I grew up riding
those cars all the time so you have to
think about it it's not when you're in a
Subway there is nowhere to escape there
is nowhere to go so you're essentially
trapped and contained on a subway and
Angela I might you're in it it's it's
very close quarters Angela if they were
at like a public park if they were at a
library
um I could come up with you know if they
were at a McDonald's restaurant I could
name a hundred different places where if
they were I would I probably would go
down that path with you because what I'm
saying is the individuals who he was
screaming at would have an option to
leave they would have an option to go
someplace else right so but on a subway
car you're underground in this little
[ __ ] container there's nowhere to go
so there's nowhere to go so I think it's
a little bit different there so calling
the police
um when you're trapped it's like being
trapped in an elevator go ahead and call
the police they literally can't do
anything because you're trapped in a
container with someone so what happened
was is Daniel Penny and two other
individuals one of them was an
African-American man
um did uh subdue and essentially
restrain
um Mr Neely Daniel painting one from
behind he grabbed him he grabbed him and
took him down to the ground and you know
people call it a submission hold people
call the blood choke some people call it
a some people call it a choke hold all
of these different um terms are being
thrown about now what I'm gonna say is
that you know when you're in a situation
like that and it's a dynamic situation
you know you're fighting with someone on
you're trying to subdue someone or hold
someone on the subway
um the idea that everything is going to
go perfect and that the use of force or
what you're trying to do is going to
work out exactly perfectly and it's
going to be just just like you were
trying to do in a controlled situation
like that is not a reasonable
expectation that's not a reasonable
expectation for police officers in the
use of force it never goes goes as
planned and even if it's legal it always
looks ugly same thing with this so I
wouldn't if Daniel Penny was trying to
do some type of a blood choke which is
essentially and I'm not an MMA person
this isn't this isn't my area of
expertise but my understanding is that
if you do what's called a blood choke
that isn't cutting off the airway so
essentially that's it's meant to put
someone to please correct me if I'm
wrong I'm sure there's people in here
who who are MMA junkies who know more
about this than me but my understanding
is that the type of Choke that Daniel
Penny or the type of submission that he
was trying to do so his intent was to
essentially to make Jordan Neely pass
out not kill him that wasn't his intent
to kill him he wanted him to pass out
um and it is important to note that
Jordan Penn or that uh Daniel Penny he
was a marine um he and he was TR he was
trained by by the military in ground
ground uh combat submission so he does
have obviously some training in this
type of stuff so as Daniel Penny was
doing this two other individuals and
some of this is on video so obviously
the whole video hasn't been released but
enough of the video you know has been
released where we do have a pretty good
idea of what happened at least during
the the the the submission and there
were two other individuals who weren't
telling Daniel Penny what are you doing
stop you're gonna kill him what the [ __ ]
are you doing like no one said that if
anything two other individuals two other
individuals were trying to help
specifically there was an
African-American man who was holding who
was holding uh who was holding Jordan
Neely's hands um I'm guessing so we
couldn't reach inside of his pockets for
a weapon or anything like that and then
there was another individual who was
standing up most of the time however a
couple of different times he did kind of
bend over and he did put his hands on
Jordan Neely's I'm kind of like upper
back and arms and shoulder area as well
um but let's see as Steve Ladner says
who in their right mind calls police for
anything Steve's so funny all right so
um yeah so this is so there was no
intent to actually kill but but again so
Mr
um so let me say so while this is going
on again it's this isn't like the George
Floyd case meaning when there was the
George Floyd case going on in Derek
Chauvin what did have his knee on or
near George Floyd's neck there were 10
12 individuals who were screaming and
yelling and telling the police officer
Derek Chauvin to stop what he was doing
okay that didn't happen here that didn't
happen here if anything people were
happy that Daniel Penny stopped Jordan
Neely from doing something dangerous
because people on the train were scared
um so um unfortunately it wasn't
intended but Jordan Neely did die so I
hate when people ask the question so
this is a really dishonest question
um on especially on Tech you know Tick
Tock has the absolute worst comments I
honestly think that our YouTube viewers
uh the IQ points are about 30 or 30
points higher so than than my Tick Tock
followers because the quest the kind of
questions that they ask on Tick Tock is
absolutely ridiculous they say things
like so did he deserve to die you know
did did Mr Neely did Jordan Ealy deserve
to die well that's such a weird question
and you know it's not relevant first of
all deserving to die like what does that
mean you know I can make an argument
that almost no one deserves to die you
know there are lawful and Justified
um situations that occur where someone
in self-defense might kill someone but
the idea of deserve to die like that
isn't in any police training that's not
in military training that's not a legal
term of art deserving to die is not a
legal standard and it's an absolute
ridiculous question to ask um people who
aren't serious is those are the kinds of
questions that they ask when they say
when they say um did he deserve to die
so that's a that's a ridiculous question
so obviously there was no intent um for
Mr Neely from Mr Penny uh to kill Mr
Neely but Mr Penny did just get charged
so he was actually charged uh with
second degree manslaughter and I think I
explained this last time but listen
here's the difference between
manslaughter and murder and it's really
simple so murder so it's all about
intent and I've talked about this before
and I put a lot of stock in all my on
all the analysis that I do I put a lot
of stock in when it comes to someone's
intent and yes I get it I have a bias
there um and you may not agree and it
may be even a little bit different than
what the law says but what someone's
actual intent is that plays so much with
me because if you are doing something if
you have a good intent if your intent is
to go out and to try to help people but
in that situation something goes wrong
my personal opinion is that well you
should be punished less because you were
out there and you were trying to do
something good because in
General you want decent people people
try to do good things however if you
have an intent to harm someone if you
have an intent to break the law yeah I
don't think we should cut you any
[ __ ] slack for that if you have a bad
intent then I don't think you should get
any Grace when it comes to the
punishment phase so again in all of my
analysis I put probably more stock in
the idea in the principle of intent than
a lot of people do that's a bias I have
and at least I'm honest about it
um so second is so when it comes to
manslaughter and murder it's kind of
where I'm going with this manslaughter
and murder murder essentially means you
have the intent to kill so any type of
crime where someone dies and the
district attorney says they intended to
kill this person that goes down the
murder chain okay that's that's the
murder chain and intent to kill
manslaughter is when someone dies from
The Acts of another person but there was
no intent to kill usually it has to do
with you being Reckless or being
negligent or he uh heat of passion
things like that that's manslaughter So
Daniel Pena was not charged with murder
so even the far left D.A who who again
is it always wants to prosecute these
types of of situations and not know not
you know Jordan Neely when he um
kidnapped kidnapped a seven-year-old not
really so worried about that or when
he's trying to push people in front of
subway cars not real worried about that
but people who have good intentions
we're going to charge them so even that
D.A who again has no love for people who
are trying to do good things in the city
even that D.A Alvin Bragg you know has
publicly said there was no intent to
kill like Daniel Penny was not trying to
kill him that's why he was charged with
second degree manslaughter now second
degree manslaughter in New York City
essentially says uh you know when you
recklessly cause the death of another
person in other words when you are aware
that your actions present a substantial
risk and that someone could could be
killed and essentially you are
disregarding that risk so so that that's
pretty much what he's charged with um
and you know I'm gonna be just just
completely honest as as I always am but
I think it's reasonable to say that
there there's a legal analysis and then
there's a more political uh ultimately
like a sociological analysis of this
case where the legal analysis where okay
what is the actual statute say what are
the elements and we compare that against
the facts of the case if you look at
that I get that there's manslaughter
charges okay because Daniel Penny did
something
um he did not intend to kill Jordan
Neely but Jordan nearly died
um I mean that's that's pretty much you
know textbook manslaughter so at least
when it comes to the elements that are
charged like I I'm not saying I agree
with it or that I want there to be
charges filed of course not but what I'm
saying is that like I understand the
charges being filed I I wrote an article
about this case over on my sub stack
over at police law newsletter before
charges were being filed and I said
pretty much the same thing that that I
wouldn't be surprised if manslaughter
charges are filed because based on the
facts and the letter of the law like I
get it I under I understand that but
that's but that's different than what I
want to happen so even though that's
that's I understand why those charges
are filed I do not want Daniel Penny to
be found guilty if he is found guilty I
hope that he gets probation and he never
serves a day in jail
um again because this is one of those
cases where you know I think we have to
look at it's like either you support the
man who was threatening to kill
strangers on on the subway or you
support the man who made sure that he
didn't this case really is that simple I
want to hear your comments let's see
what everybody everybody has been saying
about this case
um Steve Ladner says if a grand jury
indictment doesn't mean it oh Steve
always s is just a grand jury
um Grand Jury question let's see uh
Shadow says I don't think any part of
the system has been particularly
trustworthy these last few years that's
fair Sergeant George says you gotta hate
it when there's a certain to D.A who
decides suddenly to press charges
against people who do good things I I
agree Bing says I only meant to bring
him to the brink of death your honor uh
yeah I'm gonna get that here in a second
being um jorik says he did nothing wrong
he did a public service for everyone and
that's why I said there's a lot of
division on this case um so here's where
I think a lot of re so again when it
comes to what's going to be on Fox News
and what's going to be on CS CNN and
MSNBC well listen when you have AOC
saying that this was a lynching now
obviously that's ridiculous and people
like me who try to be more Center and
tried to be reasonable about things
again I tried to be reasonable even
though I obviously support Daniel Penny
I don't want him to be convicted but on
the same side I'm saying like I get why
charges are filed so I tried to be
reasonable and in the middle but when
you have people like AOC before the
autopsy has even been released before
charges are filed she said that this was
a lynching a lynching is an intentional
killing based on race so first of all
this has nothing to do with race this
has 100 to do with behavior there's no
let's put it this way there's certainly
no evidence of any kind that this had
anything to do with Race So lacking that
evidence AOC says that this was a
lynching again an intentional murder not
manslaughter an intentional murder based
on race so when people on the left or
people on are saying that kind of stuff
that's only going to trigger people on
the right to say things
um like like who who just said it there
uh bing did or someone else no so
someone else said uh a joke said jorik
says that uh you know that they did a
public service so I I don't think he
actually who George I don't think anyone
actually believes that this is a public
service no one wanted Mr Neely to die
but when you have that rhetoric that's
so far on one side saying it was a
lynching like you have to expect the
other side to also be equally as
ridiculous and extreme on the other side
and listen the truth is probably in the
middle and I think most reasonable
people which is probably about 80
percent of us so there's ten percent of
people who hate cops who hate who hate
the military who are just just don't
like any of this who are just so far
gone you can't even have a conversation
with these people and there's people on
the right there's ten percent of people
on the right that are also just nuts and
you can't talk to them either but 80
percent of us in one way or another are
probably in the middle and here's where
most reasonable people can probably find
some common ground on this case that
they can probably find that a couple
different things are probably true first
that Daniel that Jordan Neely did
threaten people on the subway because it
was a container where people weren't
allowed to leave that it was reasonable
for some citizens to step in to stop
that or prevent that I think most people
can get there also I think most people
can say but Jordan Neely didn't deserve
to die certainly that wasn't Mr Penny's
intents to kill him but again when
you're in a use of force when you are
fighting with someone when you are using
different techniques nothing is perfect
nothing goes as it should this isn't
training in a con controlled environment
and yes things don't always go as
planned so I think most of us can get
there that yes no one that that you know
the initial takedown the initial
submission the idea the principle the
philosophy of taking this guy down and
holding him until the next subway stop
until the police come in most people can
get on board and say yeah okay I get why
that happened and those said that same
group of people also say I wish he
wouldn't have died or he shouldn't have
died or I wish this would have gone a
different way where Mr Neely wasn't
killed I think most people can get there
again the 10 percent extreme on either
side and that see that's all you're
going to see on CNN and Fox News MSNBC
are the extremes when again honestly
most people are in the middle on this
case and I just hope that these people
these 80 that are in the middle
um do really think about what I say
about intent where it's like Daniel
Penny entered the subway with the intent
to go about his day ride the subway and
go visit his father Jordan Neely had the
intent to terrorize random people on the
subway those two aren't equal they're
not and we shouldn't pretend that they
are let's see if we got a couple other
comments on this Sergeant George says uh
between race and uh uh mental illness
which elements do you think will come
out on top
um yeah I think I think both
um uh so Sergeant George is a really
good question I think when it comes to
race I think um we're so far apart on
some of these racial issues now not 80
of the people in the middle but the
people on the extremes are so far apart
on Race I I don't think we're going to
get anywhere but um what I think could
happen is there should be a conversation
about mental health
um you know Eric Adams a Democrat mayor
from New York City but he is a former
police Commander
um he said one of the things that
Democrats hadn't said for a while that
you know when it comes to people who are
homeless mentally ill and violent and
and who have grave passive neglect
meaning that they're just they're so
mentally ill they literally can't take
care of themselves there are all kinds
of lawsuits over the last 20 years by
the ACLU the American Civil uh Liberties
Union which basically said that being
homeless being crazy being out of your
mind on the streets like that's not
that's not against the law and police
officers and doctors and and governments
shouldn't be able to control people just
let people do whatever they want so
that's been the the position of the ACLU
I I appreciate that but like this is the
result of that um so in Eric Adams you
know he did say when he first came into
office that so what police officers and
doctors and um
police officers and doctors and
psychologists what they need in order to
basically involuntary make someone go
either get mental health treatment or to
get a medication what they need to do
that shouldn't be such a high bar
because now the bar is pretty much
unless you are actively threatening
someone or threatening yourself and
there's some mental illness components
unless that unless that is occurring in
the moment not last week not two hours
ago but unless that is occurring in the
moment doctors and police officers
literally can't do anything to get
people help that's what the ACLU wants
that's what they fought for that's what
they've sued over and pretty much got
all kinds of Courts to agree
um but like I said Eric Adams said even
before this that he thinks it should be
a little bit easier for police officers
and doctors to get people help it's not
compassionate to allow people to be
completely out of their minds not
medicated living on the streets that
isn't compassionate it's not only for
those people but for the rest of us for
regular normal people who just want to
go about their day on the Subway it's
not compassionate for them either all
right a couple more questions uh Shadow
says uh he may have been having a
psychotic break uh maybe the real
question is why was Neely not receiving
some kind of care good question Shadow
but yeah no I I agree um and what I
found out I think a lot of people found
out Shadow is that um uh New York City
for some reason has a list of the top 50
people who are mentally ill violent have
criminal histories and need help but
kind of in that that huge that that
column
um at 50 people what are there I I don't
know whether they're nine million people
in New York City seven million people in
New York City he was in the top 50. um
so he was on people's radar so I agree
um this is why I said earlier
um that you know if we look at this from
a big structural
um a big structural look
um at this at this situation and knowing
that this isn't just Jordan Neely that
there's thousands of people like him
that how do we solve this that Daniel
Penny listen I get he's going to be
prosecuted again I hope he's not
convicted but like Daniel Penny's not
the problem you can throw Daniel penny
in jail for the rest of his life and
you're going to have the exact same
problem with thousands of other crazy
homeless people who are mentally ill and
violent on the New York City subway
system so again Daniel Penny not the
problem Jordan Neely and people like him
who just go around terrorizing people
again because they're mentally ill not
medicated
um like this this problem isn't going to
be solved unless people in government
lawmakers Advocates unless they start
taking it seriously instead of just
trying to profit off when these people
um get killed every now and then all
right well a couple more uh George says
Daniel Penny should be awarded should be
awarded for keeping public order rather
than being punished I can sign on to
that yeah I agree 100 uh let's see uh
sixth sense says he could have let him
go sooner um but that's the only thing I
think could should have been different
Sixth Sense yeah no I think you know
what I agree I agree um again I'm not
I'm not sure um I think he held him in
that position for
um uh you know I mean from what I know I
was never in the middle military on my
police experience and legal experience
and education but no military experience
my understanding is that Marines are
kind of like the police though where
they are taught and trained to
neutralize the threats and keep the
threat from coming back um so would
there have been a way where they would
be able to restrain him without killing
him obviously that's what I would prefer
um but I get him I get Penny getting
involved in the first place uh let's see
uh I am legal okay see if the it is
criminal that he was on the streets free
to terrorize on the subway it's uh too
late for a mental intervention and
restraint was absolutely called for in
the situation uh legal I'm legal I agree
with you 100
um I think I I agree with you 100 there
that makes um that makes complete sense
and again you know once you're in a
locked container with someone you're not
in Central Park you're not in a public
library you're not at a restaurant where
you could just all right there's a crazy
[ __ ] over here I'm gonna get up and
walk away not an option not an option
when you're stuck on a on a subway car
an airplane or a or an elevator with
someone who's threatening people don't
have the option to just walk away and
leave and yeah like I said you know
you're either people it's really going
to be interesting to see where people
fall on this particular case and I think
you're really gonna find out who some
people are because again you're either
going to support the person who is
threatening to kill people on the subway
or you're going to support the person
who made sure he didn't I mean this case
is really that simple all right next
case that we're going to talk about so
this is a weird one um uh I don't know
if anybody saw I did a a video on it I
did a video on it earlier today
um I saw it over the last couple days
but this this body camera video dash
camera video is absolutely nuts
um Steve Ladner hang on you have police
and legal experience but you can't
everyone answer my simple question Steve
I've answered it a couple times though
you just do not like my answer
um I think I've actually typed it out
for you as well in one of the in one of
the chat Steve but um I appreciate you
being here
um so this case happened back in in a
March of 21 in Carroll Iowa the reason
I'm talking about it now is because the
body cam footage and the dash cam
footage just came out now um you know
different states have different body cam
laws and you know me I've said this
about a hundred different times that I
want bod not just because we have a body
camera channel here um but I want uh
body camera footage to come out really
as quickly as soon as possible not just
for government transparency but because
I'm nosy I want to know what happened
I'm [ __ ] interested in all of these
um different cases so this case that
happened in this case that happened in
Carroll Iowa
um really a strange case a March of 21
again the body camera video is nuts um
so here's what happened there was a
traffic stop officer Patrick McCarty did
a traffic stop on a vehicle um the
vehicle was driven by someone and then
had a passenger the passenger of that
vehicle is his name is Dennis geider Jr
so during contact with the driver
um during contact with the driver and
with the past messenger um the police
officer found out that Mr guider had a
warrant out for his arrest out of
Illinois so just like a normal police
again a warrant is an order from a judge
no police officers so not only is a
warrant in order from a judge but most
of the time police departments have
policies that say either specifically
police officers there's no discretion on
warrants like you have to take someone
to jail you can't just let someone go
because you're feeling lazy or you don't
feel like it or police department
policies say something like um you have
to follow all laws which you know doing
that is taking people jail for warrants
as part of that I guess what I'm getting
at this when someone has a warrant um it
really isn't the police officer being
nice or being a jerk like the police
officer has to take the person to jail I
mean that's just one of those things um
typically and I should also point out
that typically warrants aren't
extraditable between states unless it's
a felony you know so what have let's say
you get uh say you're in New Mexico and
you get a and you get a warrant for you
have you get a ticket for littering and
you don't show up okay and then and so a
judge issues a warrant let's say you
move to Maine or New Hampshire or
Illinois or somewhere else so do you and
let's say an Illinois police officer
stops you well that's 1300 miles away
from New Mexico so let's say Illinois
police officer stops you they run your
name and [ __ ] and they find out that you
have a warrant out of New Mexico now
that's either going to be extraditable
or not extraditable meaning that if the
state of New Mexico really wants you
back they have to pay for not only for
you to be in custody they have to pay
for your transport sometimes they have
to send agents [ __ ] 1300 miles away
in order to bring your ass back so most
of the time states only and only
extradite people who have serious
felonies right because it wouldn't make
sense for a state or a government to put
all these resources in to try to
prosecute someone for littering also and
they don't say this what municipalities
and such things like okay this guy he
had littering he had a warrant you know
if he wants to go and live in another
state to avoid this [ __ ] that's where we
want him we don't want him back in New
Mexico we don't want him back in Arizona
we want him to say [ __ ] a thousand
miles away right so it's it's reasonable
so this was so it's important to know
that this warrant was from a different
state this happened in Iowa
um and the warrant was from Illinois now
those two states do border each other
um but still it was from a different
state so it's reasonable believe that it
was a felony warrant so um with this
warrant
um with this warrant um uh heat the uh
police officer officer McCarty told Mr
guider um that you know to step out of
the car he gave him a lawful and
reasonable command he wasn't a jerk he
wasn't screaming he wasn't yelling at
him he told him he said hey step out of
the car place your hands behind your
back so Mr guider um instead of just you
know
um uh cooperating with the police
officer
um you know it just utilizing basic
human decency instead of doing that he
did the exact opposite so what Mr guider
did is again he was in the passenger
seat right so there was someone who was
in the uh who was in the uh it was in
the driver's seat he turns to the driver
and he says something to him you can't
hear it because the body camera you
can't hear it but he says something to
the driver at that point Mr guider
pushes the guy uh the driver's side door
opens um Mr guider pushes the the driver
out of the car he then hops into the
driver's seat so now we have someone who
had a warrant who isn't cooperating with
the police officer who literally just
went from the passenger seat to the
driver's seat
um what do you think this guy's
intending to do like it is doesn't take
a rocket scientist this doesn't take a
cup with with a law degree to figure out
okay he's probably gonna he's probably
gonna drive away right he has a warrant
he doesn't want to go to jail he got in
the driver's seat of the car he's
probably going to drive the car away
right that's a reasonable thing to do so
a good question I always talk about
decision points so when a case happens
what's a decision Point like what is
happening in the moment where we say
okay this is the exact point where a
police officer did this but because of
law policy
um um because of law policy I'm training
the officer should have done something
different this is one of those decision
points so now the officer has a decision
someone with a warrant just got into the
driver's seat of a car uh what if he's
probably going to drive away what's my
action what should I do well with this
police officer I can tell you what I
think the police officer should have
done um it's not what the officer did
what the officer did is he actually went
around to the front of the car he drew
out he pulled out his handgun and he
stood in front of the car again that was
probably going to start moving he gets
in front of the car he points the gun he
points his handgun at the individual at
Mr Geiger in the driver's seat and
starts yelling the same kind of commands
that you would expect no get out of the
car show me your hands don't drive the
car turn off the car stop the car you
know all those things that you can
imagine a police officer would say in a
situation like that
um so I should just say that it it's
hopefully I don't I don't offend anybody
by saying this but let's say it's a bad
idea to stand in front of a car that's
going to be moving this is what is
considered officer-induced Jeopardy okay
um typically if a police officer is on
the side of a road and a car starts
moving towards them and there's nothing
they can do and they end up shooting at
the car well that's typically Justified
because again the officer can't really
do anything but police officers you know
per law and per Department policy use of
force training and stuff typically can't
position themselves in front of them of
of a moving car and then when the car
moves you know shoot and say oh I was in
fear I was in fear for my safety because
you shouldn't have put yourself there in
the first place anyways the officer puts
himself in front of the car R draws out
starts giving commands then the car
starts to move forward so again even if
the officer makes uh you know and I'm
gonna I'm gonna go on a limb here and
say for lack of the term a bad decision
to stand uh you know just really a
strange tactical decision to stand in
front of the car
um the car starts moving it didn't
accelerate like zero to 60 in two
seconds or anything like that but it
starts to move forward slowly towards
the police officer who's maybe five ten
feet away or so um at that point would
be a good idea for the police officer
okay I [ __ ] up I stood in front of the
car shouldn't have done that well now
I'm in a move not what the officer does
he jumps on the hood of the car so the
police officer jumps on the on the hood
of the car um and he's grabbing ice
still has his handgun out pointed at the
driver still screaming and yelling on
the hood of the car well that doesn't
deter Mr geider either and yes just
because the police officer is making
some odd strange weird and you know
unsafe tactical decisions
um there's no excuse for Mr guider to be
doing this at this point either so that
is 100 we could say that what the police
officer did is against policy and
against common sense I get it but what
Mr guider did is like 100 absolutely
illegal so again intense yes I don't
want police officers to violate policy
and training that's not good but it is
not the same thing as committing a
felony like it just isn't uh it'd be
weird to say that it is so as the police
officer is on the hood of the car the
car is moving kind of slow at that point
the officer doesn't jump off or he
probably wouldn't get injured he hangs
on the car starts to go speed away
speeds reach 60 miles an hour like
that's crazy think about that 60 miles
an hour and the police officers trying
to hang on to the hood he ends up on top
of the car is actually captured on the
dash cam video from an adjacent another
police officer and the body cam video is
wild eventually so I mean before I even
tell you what happens I'm sure you know
that eventually the officer gets thrown
off the car
um he did survive which is which is good
important he does survive but he broke
his back um so he was thrown off the car
again it was go it went down a ditch at
60 miles an hour and uh the officer got
thrown off um as he's laying there in
the ditch with a broken back he's
talking and as of the other police
officer runs up to him he says something
to the effect of I'm okay go and get him
so I mean this guy at least I I again I
can question his tactics but I'm not
going to question his heart okay because
I mean God damn like this guy here he is
laying with a broken back and he gets uh
help from a police officer his first
thing he said hey stay here with me help
me up call me rescue his first thing is
to say go and get her and he gives uh
the other officer uh gives the officer
directions to go get him anyways Mr
guider was arrested
um case went to trial um and a lot of
people are saying that there should have
been more uh Mr guy they did avoid trial
Mr guider actually just pled guilty to
Serious injury by vehicle he's facing up
to five years in prison so I'm talking
with people on some other Platforms in
the chats they're saying well this
should be attempted murder this should
be you know it should be a lot more than
five years yes I get it but it was a
plea deal so yes the the state um they
could have taken this case to trial
um you know tried to charge attempted
murder or aggravated battery or
aggravated assault or all these other
crazy felonies which probably have you
know 10 to 15 years
um you know as a maximum in prison but
that would be a trial for whatever
reason the decision was made to not do a
trial and to do a plea deal this is what
the plea deal was now I haven't verified
this independently but my guess and I
know this is again I'm going to go out
on a limb is that this isn't the only
criminal case that Mr guider is facing
um so my again my guess is that there
are other cases that he's looking at
listen if you are going to if you are if
you are going to drive away at 60 miles
an hour with a police officer on your
car and you're an adult man it's
probably not your first rodeo you're
probably running away from some pretty
bad [ __ ] so my guess is this five years
for this case isn't all that this guy is
going to do and if he is facing 10 15 12
20 years in a different state or for
different charges you know it really I I
get that the the reason that this was
pled
um so again you know I I understand that
I think there's probably a reason for it
again so when I know I was laughing a
little bit about the officer I'm glad
that he's okay but the tactics are
absolutely terrible
um again it's it's called
officer-induced Jeopardy um police
officers typically cannot put themselves
in a situation that is unnecessarily
dangerous now that's not everything
that's not well an officer conducted a
legal traffic stop and uh uh you know
and so that was putting themselves in
Jeopardy because they didn't have to
make that traffic stop no that's not how
it works if an officer is following
policy training in law yes sometimes
they might do things that are dangerous
but if they follow those things they're
generally okay you know at least in the
eyes of uh you know being being at least
in the eyes of the Court you know
because they're doing things they're in
a space where they are doing things that
are reasonable and legal this was not
reasonable
um this is not reasonable so um what the
police officer should have done is still
give commands and you know go behind the
car make sure you have the license plate
which you already do so you have the
license plate right and you have
um you have the identity of the driver
so what you can do is a police officer
at that point you can go ahead and issue
another warrant so you can you could
write it up you could say we stopped him
uh for this traffic but he wasn't the
driver but um you know he he didn't
listen to the he didn't he didn't listen
to the police officer
um he didn't listen to so he didn't
listen to the police officer he um uh he
evaded arrest he all of the different
charts and then issue a warrant out of
Iowa as well
um so so yeah so so that that way
um so that way you know you have a
warrant out of Iowa as well um it's not
worth your life trying to take someone
in for a warrant it doesn't make any
sense um this is pretty much like the
other guy's School of policing um
jumping on the car
um uh you know from The Rock and Samuel
L Jackson
um yeah that's that's that's pretty much
uh what what this is like it's
absolutely crazy don't understand it
really curious to see what uh
um what other people's comments are in
this so sixth sense says some cops
intentionally step in front of a car
just so they can use deadly force I
think it's a hundred percent
irresponsible and it's not like someone
won't try it at some point yeah six
cents so that's a that's a that's an
interesting comment and you know what
I'm going to say that that has happened
before
um because the reason it's happened
before is because most police
departments have a use of force policy
in that use of force policy they have
things that police officers can't do one
of them is shoot at a moving vehicle if
you put yourself in there so um this
typically is addressed by law and by
policy we don't want police officers to
do that um sixth sense so like I said
there's an example of you know if a
police officer is on a traffic stop on
the side of the road kind of doing their
thing minding their own business and
through no fault of their own another
vehicle comes bearing down on them
that's a situation where police officers
are going to be covered by policy and
law and training to shoot at that
vehicle at the driver if it's the only
thing that's going to save their life
that's different than okay someone's in
a car they're about to drive away and I
step purposely into the middle so
um we don't want police officers to do
that again there are laws and policies
around that um it's called
officer-induced Jeopardy so we don't
want officers to do that um I don't
think it happens all that often um but
again even in situations like that you
still have a bad guy a criminal who is
trying to run over a police officer or
doesn't care if they run into a police
officer which is a serious felony so
again so what I like to say is that
these things aren't equal yes we look at
we look at um so police officers might
be
um might be violating policy they might
be doing something that isn't great
tactically that's bad I don't want
officer to do that the other thing is
you're trying to run someone over and
kill them that's a violent felony
they're not equal right they aren't
equal the intent isn't the same uh let's
see uh Steve says in San Antonio Texas
the cop could shoot him running away and
the D.A will disregard a grand jury
indictment
um well I mean we have Tennessee versus
Gardner uh that's still good law so
police officers are able to um shoot and
kill violent fleeing felons if they are
able to articulate that the individual
is a that someone else's life is in is
in danger of either uh dying or uh will
be the victim of great bodily injury so
yeah Tennessee versus Garner that is a
supreme court law
um that is recognized anywhere because
it's a supreme court so uh sixth sense
says uh kind of had to say I didn't see
the cop on my hood right in front of me
yeah it would be it would be strange it
would be strange if he said he didn't
see him um so in in what uh Mr guider
did say and obviously this is [ __ ]
but what he said is that he was afraid
because the cop was pointing his gun
that's why he did that well I'm just
going to point out that the the active
resistance the not listening to the
police officer that happened way before
the cop in this on body cam video that's
how why I'm saying it it happened way
before the police officer told them to
exit so when the police officer told him
to exit the car during the initial
contact the officer was night nice
friendly polite did not have any weapons
drawn no no gun no taser nothing was in
the police officer's hand he asked him
didn't demand and screamed and yell he
asked him nicely and politely to step
out of the vehicle it was at that point
no guns were drawn it was at that point
that Mr Geiger went from
um the the passenger seat to the
driver's seat and you know he obviously
had the intent that he was going to flee
so again so Mr guider's Excuse of I was
afraid I acted like this because the cop
pulled the gun on me again it's [ __ ]
because the active resistance the the
idea to flee the scene in the car
happened way before a police officer had
his gun drawn uh let's see um the I am
legal says uh uh the Cop made a foolish
agree Cop made a foolish out of policy
uh spur of the moment decision he would
probably make a different decision nine
times out of ten this does nothing to
diminish the driver's liability agree
100 thank you I am a legal OKC I have to
follow you because you're saying all the
things I agree with that yeah again we
don't want police to make tactical
errors we don't want them to
um we want Cops to follow training
policy and law we want um we don't want
Cops to make tactical errors but if a
police officer makes a bone-headed
tactical error in the moment that is not
the same that is not equal to someone
committing a violent felony like it's
just not again to pretend that these two
things are equal is a little silly uh
Sergeant George says uh this is what
having poor situational awareness uh
can't come in and oh I agree 100 thank
you Sergeant George yeah that is 100
correct I also agree I'm legal OKC is
that yeah if the police officer had to
do it again if there was 2020 hindsight
you're right I don't think he would have
done this it was probably just a spur of
the moment that here you are you're in
the situation it happened and you just
act and you just react in
um police officers a lot of the time you
know they have it in their heads because
they want to do good they want to help
people they want to take bad guys to
jail and when situations like this
happen sometimes they don't have the
time to think so I'm just gonna say like
if if you gave that police officer was
in a train let's say I was doing a
training for police officers in Carroll
Iowa which I'm never going to do but
let's say I was and I asked every police
officer in there hey I want everyone to
come up and give me a 30 second a 30 sec
second a small presentation on what you
would do in this situation my guess is
that exact police officer officer
McCarty he would not say well you go in
front and then you jump on the hood and
then you hold on like this like there's
no way he would say that right so he
knows so like intellectually he knows he
made a wrong decision in the moment and
I'm glad he's still alive uh uh I I
think therefore I am how do you feel
about laws and states that allow a
person to be charged with murder when
they do not directly cause the murder
um
uh let's see uh that's the interesting
question so um I think you need to be
more specific if you have a specific
case I can look into it um I think what
you might be referring uh let's see is a
person uh breaking into a house with a
friend friend gets killed uh killed by
cops the a charges the first guy with
murder oh that's a good question that's
where I thought you were going so what I
think therefore I am is asking is about
felony murder so here's what felony
murder is
um felony murder is essentially there
has to be a conspiracy of multiple
people to commit a felony not just any
felony so not like embezzlement you know
not like shoplifting or embezzlement or
um a wire fraud or anything like that
okay
um but it's in in every state it
basically lists the ones
um that are are going to be in the
category where someone could be charged
with felony murder one of them in
literally every state is going to be
armed robberies let's go ahead and say
that so let's say three or four people
um their goal is to do an armed robbery
one person is going to be the getaway
driver one person is going to be the
lookout out one person is going to make
sure that things are safe for the bad
guys inside and then the fourth person
is going to be the one who actually
tells the teller
um who who tells the the teller or the
bank manager to give them the money
maybe they're the ones who have the
firearm where they're maybe they're just
ones is so all four people are in on it
now let's say now the intent wasn't to
kill anyone but the intent was to
commit a felony that is in this category
of felonies so let's say the individual
who hands the teller the note or demands
the money from the from from the bank
from the bank teller let's say
um someone resists and that person that
one bad guy ends up shooting and killing
um a a bank teller or one of the
customers who steps in or something now
you have the lookout the getaway driver
and the other person who is in the bank
the three other accomplices so they had
nothing to do with the murder you know
they didn't pull the trigger they
probably weren't even armed but they're
also charged with murder as well that's
called that's the that's the legal
theory of felony murder I like it here's
why I like it because what it does is it
discourages people from um
being in conspiracies to commit violent
felonies I like that I think that's a
good idea
um I'm I'm good with it if you say to
yourselves hey the four of us we are
going to
um uh uh today I best thing I can say I
think it's a good idea I think it's a
good legal Theory again it shouldn't be
for every felony it shouldn't be for
embezzlement or wire fraud
um or mortgage fraud or anything like
that or or you know anything like that
but yeah um violent fell when when
groups of people get together
um and they're going to commit a violent
felony yeah um and someone dies during
the commission of that violent felony
I'm 100 good with felony murder uh let's
see uh I am legal says uh if you have
the intent to commit a crime uh that
might result in injury or death your
culpable in fact uh that it does have a
better result yeah I I agree I'm I'm 100
good with that Sergeant George says uh
uh yeah Sergeant George knows that's the
felony uh felony murder Rule and I am
legal OKC says it's usually a question
of foreseeability
um gosh uh it feels like I'm in law
school again I am legal I graduated in
2019 uh so so I've been out of law
school for a little bit but yeah Force
the ability that is 100 exactly correct
all right the last case that I'm going
to talk about um and you know this is
one of those things where
um this is a small town in New Mexico
called Farmington Farmington New Mexico
I covered a case in Farmington a couple
weeks ago
um and you know I think Farmington
Mexico has probably 50 to 70 000 people
you know it's probably a hundred cops
880 cops or so smaller Police Department
it's really close to Southwest Colorado
Northern New Mexico looks like Southwest
Colorado
um it's beautiful out there it's an it's
an oil Town blue collar workers
um uh it's a it's a good place it's it's
the 30 minutes from the Colorado border
again absolutely absolutely beautiful
out there it's also near the four
corners area
um Native American tribes surround it um
against by the by the four corners area
really cool part of the country I've
been there been there a whole bunch and
you know but it's a smaller town so you
know if I say hey the case in Farmington
New Mexico you know typically you
wouldn't have to say which [ __ ] case
in Farmington New Mexico because there's
been two so the first one was a couple
weeks ago with uh Robert Dotson the 52
year old who police officer you remember
this police officers rang the doorbell
they rang the doorbell of the wrong
house across the street from the
domestic violence call
um some guy opens the door like he's in
Seal Team Six and points a gun at police
officers for absolutely no reason police
officers reasonably respond and kill him
that was in Farmington New Mexico
um so this case actually happened
earlier this week um it involved a teen
gunman a 18 year old teen gunman who was
actually slighted or or ready to
schedule to graduate from high school
the very next day his name is Beau
Wilson um what he did he armed himself
up with three guns one of them he
purchased legally right after he turned
18 two of them I believe were family
guns uh he also had over a thousand
rounds of ammunition
um he did have on uh um he had some
mentally ill he had some mental illness
issues and I believe he also had a I
believe he also had body armor on as
well as the beginning what he did is he
left his house and he started to roam
around his neighborhood and Chi the
chief of police as Steve hebby um I
believe is how you pronounce it in
Farmington
um uh chief of police said that you know
essentially what um what Mr Wilson did
is he started shooting and essentially
everything he could um what he is he was
shooting at or in into houses in his
neighborhood
um he started to shoot at cars that were
driving down the street um the first um
the first one he did the first car he
shot at was being driven by a 79 year
old woman she was shot as she was
driving down his residential streets
um two other women elderly women a 98
year old and her 73 year old daughter
saw this happen saw the 79 year old
woman needing help they actually went to
assist her because she was laying in the
street after being shot they went to his
sister they were killed as well in total
he shot nine people
um the response from police I think it's
important to talk about a police
response to active Shooters because we
want police to have a certain kind of
response we want police officers to have
what I call an anti-uvalde response and
that's exactly what they did police got
the call they got on scene quick not
only Farmington Police but New Mexico
State Police other smaller agencies as
soon as there was gunfire as soon as
there was gunfire they were on the scene
quick um two officers as they responded
and getting engaged and engaged uh and
engage the subject to police officers
were shot both of them survived there
was a state police officer
um whose name is uh on Andreas uh stamma
Tiaras he actually drove himself to the
hospital after he was wounded which is
pretty badass Farmington Police Sergeant
Rachel the the Senza she was also shot
as she responded and was engaging the
gunman police officers thankfully did
Kill the gunman but again two police
officers were shot nine people were shot
total three were killed that was in
Farmington New Mexico
um the police officers at least as of
this morning and I'm going to say that
the Farmington chief of police Steve
heavy he has done an excellent job of
really just informing the public about
what's going on and answering questions
not like a politician but like a human
um if you ever get the chance to watch
one of his press conferences he does an
absolute a brilliant job of letting
people in the community know exactly
what's going on
um but he basically said that they're
still working on a motive they're not
really sure of what the motive is uh the
family um the family of this kid was
horrified um again I wish they would
have been a little more proactive
beforehand instead of being horrified
afterwards they did hire an attorney
obviously or a spokesperson and they did
um they did give a statement where
essentially what they said is that
obviously that they they gave their
condolences to the families who were
affected the people who were shot and
killed and injured um they said that um
uh Beau was suffering from mental
illness and that's really all they said
is that he had mental health problems so
the question that I want to ask is you
know I'm a Second Amendment guy I
absolutely am but he's still living in
your house I get he's 18. again he can
purchase firearms I get it but he's
living in your house if you know he has
a history a problem with mental illness
how in the world does anybody this is a
question how do you allow someone to
have a firearm in your house knowing
that they have mental health problems
not only a firearm that they purchase
but at least again I I could be proved
wrong later on but at least what we're
hearing right now is that he purchased
one of the firearms and the other two
that he was armed with were actually
firearms from the family so they I'm and
again I'm gonna I'm gonna speculate a
little bit but you know if there are
family firearms that he had possession
of either they weren't locked up or he
was able to get into wherever wherever
they were locked that seemed some
unbelievably and Incredibly
irresponsible
um okay let's see if we have any
comments on that particular case
um let's see uh I am legal says how do
you spell three guns thousand rounds of
ammo uh threat to commit murder uh
suicide by cop yeah that's exactly what
this was us sixth sense says nice to
know there are people in the chat that
actually know the law very cool indeed
sixth sense I I agree as well um that's
one of the reasons why I really like
doing the show live is uh the people who
join in the show um are um really ask
good questions and a lot of times um
even more so than asking good questions
have really good answers and comments
for some of these things
um uh so just so you know after this
case um other things in New Mexico but
the governor of New Mexico Michelle
Lujan Grisham um uh wants to call a
special session to make stronger gun
laws um and I'm just going to ask the
question that I think people should be
asking their lawmakers not just in New
Mexico or because this is happening in a
lot of places what gun law could have
been in effect that would have prevented
this if you could give me that answer
don't just say we want stronger gun laws
again that's very general that's just
like saying like we want stronger drug
laws again to me that isn't that
interesting tell me what you want to do
tell me what the exact law is and then
reasonable and honest people on both
sides should be able to ask questions
and and really dive deep into these
really important issues but I'm not sure
what stronger gun law would have
prevented this in the first place now
parents who own a house who have a kid
who's living under their roof yeah
that's your house you are in control you
don't have to worry about the
Constitution you don't have to worry
about any of that [ __ ] you are the
parents you are in charge you are the
owners of that home you have [ __ ]
domain over what happens inside that
house so um if anything I'm gonna say
that my opinion is if anything it's like
that's where the enforcement have to be
individuals controlling what happens
inside of their own house I think it's
more difficult on a larger level for
governments to do it but I'm open to
suggestions so I'm not saying I don't
want stronger gun laws I'm saying I just
want to know what the idea is tell me
what the idea is I said is that stronger
gun laws it's kind of like a vague
philosophy and it's not very interesting
because I don't know what that means
tell me what the law is let's see what
it is and tell me based on Research what
do you think that law is actually going
to do let's have had that conversation I
think we should all be willing to have
that conversation not just on guns but
on all kinds of issues all right one
more comment and then we're and then
we're gonna take off for the day uh
let's see uh I am legal says my very
first visit to your channel but not my
last for sure an actual intelligent
discussion that's what we're all about I
am legal okay see really enjoyed um
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let's see Steve says we would already
have been uh loaded onto train cars if
this nation was not armed yeah so Steve
I I agree again I I preface this by
saying that I'm I'm a pretty strong uh
Second Amendment guy
um you know I I I'm not I'm trying to be
reasonable and honest and saying that I
lean towards
um that I don't think any stronger gun
laws would have fixed this
um so that that's my bias that's my not
even advice like that's my position on
it but I want to hear the discussion I
would like to hear both sides I would
like to hear the other side say hey this
is the law that we want this is what we
think it will do um it's in in line with
the Constitution because of these cases
like give me that and then let's look at
that and have a reasonable conversation
I'm all up to have the discussion and
the debates
um but again uh in general I'm I'm more
uh far more uh pro-second Amendment um
than a lot of people might be especially
um compared to Michelle Lujan Grisham
the governor of New Mexico okay all
right that that's going to be at six
cents have a good one all right so
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