this week you know this is one of those
weeks where there are so many stories
almost anyone could be the top story
that we talk about so we have a lot to
get into so we weren't able to do the
live show last week so that means we're
just going to pack just about more stuff
into this show because we didn't have
one last week again my name is Daniel
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from Odessa Texas awesome we've got uh
other Texas people here today and uh
Sergeant George says what a way to start
the Easter season uh Bruce says what's
up guys I missed a few shows glad to see
you here yeah we're glad to see you as
well Bruce well there's been a lot going
on in the police world and as you know
I'm gonna go through some of the most
important and just interesting stories
that have happened really over the last
two weeks and there's been this everyone
I'm sure follows this even when you
don't watch Cops and cons TV that there
has just been so much going on in the
world of policing and law and news and
some of these stories that really just
affect not just the world of policing
but culture and politics in general so
we're just gonna get right into it um
the the first case I'm going to talk
about in and I know this is from a
couple weeks ago but
um we haven't covered it on the show so
I am just going to give some of my main
thoughts on the Nashville shooting case
the Covenant School shooting case so and
again just like always as I'm going
through these cases please make sure
that you put any comments or questions
in the comments and one of the things I
like is to go back and forth because you
know we do have a lot of people who
watch the show and interact who do have
a lot of knowledge and experience as
well and just being able to talk about
this as we're going through I really
enjoy the interaction there so
um yeah first case we're going to talk
about is the Nashville Covenant School
shooting so everyone knows what happened
with that the body camera footage is out
um but you know in short this was in
Nashville Tennessee uh there was a call
for service at the Covenant School in
Nashville it is a private Christian
School of someone who was shooting
inside of the school um the individual
who was who was firing was actually
inside the school for about 14 minutes
um before they were killed by police
officers now the body camera footage on
this is actually really great um because
this is essentially the ideal response
to an active shooter especially an
active shooter inside of a school some
of the body camera footage it basically
shows the police officers that once they
get the call for service once they get
the call for service that you know
they're at the school within I think
three or four minutes upon getting on
scene then it's only another three
minutes or so before they they actually
encounter the offender and you know one
of the things about this is is that you
know the body camera footage essentially
shows as soon as officers get on scene
they get a group of four or five of them
they all get there about the same time
so there really isn't any lag time and
they rush into the school they first
start to clear the the bot bottom floor
of the school because they're not sure
exactly where the shooter is and then
they do hear some gunfire coming from
the second floor it's at that point
almost immediately they do the right
thing they abandon the first floor that
they had been clearing and going through
classrooms not knowing if they're going
into an ambush at any point until they
start to hear the gunfire on the second
floor once they get to the second floor
they essentially follow the gunfire they
go to the gunfire which is exactly what
the police officers are supposed to do
in a situation like this and just
luckily for them at the moment that they
do encounter the the person who is has
has the firearms and has killed people
they are in the process of reloading
police officers um kill that monster
really quickly which is the absolute
right thing to do one of the things that
she was doing the the shooter was doing
is you know it's so it's unknown at this
point if she knew that police officers
were actually in the building because
she was standing kind of at the front of
the school in front of a big window and
as other police officers were arriving
living on scene she was shooting out the
window at arriving police car so again
it's unknown if she knew that police
officers were already in the building or
if she thought that um those are the
first responding police officers but
either way luckily for everyone we never
have to ask her because she is dead and
I I want to just talk about a couple
different things so my main takeaways I
got like which is about four main
takeaways from this case so the the
first main takeaway that because as soon
as this happens almost immediately
people like a reflex go into their
political corners and they try to make
this about things that it shouldn't be
at least right away within a couple
minutes or a couple hours of the
shooting Joe Biden President Biden he
gave a speech talking about the assault
weapons bans and you know it just it
just isn't the time for that right away
there's a time for a policy discussion
but it's not right away so uh and he did
call for a ban on the assault weapons
um or for Congress to pass his assault
weapons ban you know after he made jokes
about how much he likes to eat ice cream
is really strange strange and just just
absolutely creepy but some of the main
takeaways are you know the first thing
is that six people died at the hands of
a violent Maniac so three three students
who were all nine years old and then
three individuals who worked at the
school I mean that's the most important
thing here is that six lives were lost
they were killed by an absolute maniac
and that murderer that murderer deserves
zero sympathy so there's been a lot
going on about you know what kind of
trauma was this person facing that
doesn't matter no one should care there
should be zero sympathy to the murderer
who did this also the school had an
emergency plan so unlike the Uvalde
School we're going to get to that in a
second some of the comparisons
um to that school shooting
um it it's that it's that the school had
a plan so as soon as this started to
happen the kids were evacuated almost
immediately and quickly because unlike
the the Uvalde school shooting where
individuals where there were still a
whole bunch of kids in the classroom and
obviously the Uvalde school shooting the
response from police was problematic
I've probably said that more than I've
said anything else on the this live show
but in Uvalde it took a long time to
evacuate kids once the shooting started
that wasn't the case here they got these
kids out of the most of these kids they
got them out of the school unbelievably
quickly so there was a plan from from
the administrators they had had police
officers come in and talk about them
what to do if there is an active shooter
so they had taken that extra step and
that extra step absolutely absolutely
um uh uh help to what happened there
also police officers risked their lives
by by entering the school they were
tactic they they they they were
courageous um and because at no point at
any point they they didn't know exactly
where the shooter was until they started
to hear the gunfire so it could have
been an ambush at any minute and the
police officers didn't hesitate so there
are a lot of situations where police
officers do hesitate this wasn't one of
them this was um again probably the
ideal police response to a shooting like
this now I'm gonna say that even though
this was an ideal response from police
there was still a 14 minute time delay
there was a 14 minute time delay from
when the individual went to the school
and listen here's how she entered the
school so so we talk about you know what
can schools do and to make themselves
not soft target targets but hard targets
some of the policy ideas out there are
you know having an armed guard at every
school having cameras having alarms you
know making sure that you lock all doors
not like in Uvalde where a door was kind
of propped open or left open or you know
the door didn't lock for some reason is
that so in this case the doors to the
school were locked however the doors to
the school were glass so the way that
she was able to get into the school is
she used her firearm and she shot
through the glass and was able to get
into the school so you know in covering
a lot of these cases that's actually one
thing I've never talked about I don't
think I've ever heard any experts really
talk about that that hey you know maybe
the doors to the school shouldn't be
glass so
I think that is something that schools
going forward
um should look at possibly look at
because that is shooting out that glass
is how she gained entry into the school
because the door was locked um
um also just like I said it almost
immediately it became you know we have
to ban assault weapons now let's just
let's just talk about assault weapons
really quick because that that involves
police officers that that involves you
know really about how a lot of these
things happen so the ban on assault
weapon so again if you think I'm wrong
on anything and anything I'm about to
say or you have a different opinion
definitely put it in the chat because
I'm curious to see what your opinions
are on this so when it comes to assault
weapons now there's a debate on whether
the term assault weapon is even a real
thing what is an assault weapon um
because you know AR doesn't stand for
assault rifle it's it's damn it stands
for ArmaLite rifle so it has it's so the
term assault weapon is you know really
kind of a made-up term um I actually put
that in a blog post I did last week and
someone corrected me that it's not a
made-up term so he either way in the
parlance of our times people use the
term assault rifle to describe AR type
weapons so that's the term I'm going to
use but I know that it's not a real term
and that even when you ask people well
if you ask Joe Biden what an assault
weapon is he wouldn't have any idea I
think that's pretty clear so when it
comes to assault weapons let's let's
talk about that so there are
approximately 20 000 gun homicides in
the United States this is including
shootings that are also you know maybe
that maybe it's Justified maybe it's
self-defense but there are approximately
20 000 individuals who are killed by
guns every year in the United States not
counting suicides people who are shot
and killed by AR type assault weapon
rifles is about 500 a year that's three
percent okay that's actually six times
less than how many people die in in
accidents with swimming pools so we're
talking about 500 people a year or three
percent of all gun debts so the idea so
even if you did away with all of the
individuals who were killed by assault
assault weapons you would still have 9
97 percent you would still have 97
percent of all of the gun homicides
still occurring and then here's what I'm
going to ask let's say and we've got a
couple different issues here but even if
you did away with all of the assault
weapons what would happen is is that you
would still have those individuals who
are trying to kill people who want to
kill people they want to go into a
school or a crowded place and kill
people so now take away the assault
weapon does that mean that those
homicides aren't going to happen or are
those individuals just going to use
other guns now could they cause as much
damage with other guns maybe not so
maybe instead of 500 people being killed
a year maybe it's only 400 people being
killed a year so you see where I'm going
with this it's it's it's any type of
abandoned assault weapons it really
doesn't fix the problem it's a small
part of the problem and I'm going to
explain it to you this way so this
individual went into the school she had
two two rifles not sure exactly what
time arrivals but the two AR type
assault when people would call assault
weapon type rifles and a handgun and she
had 14 minutes inside inside the school
before police got there and again this
isn't the fault of police as soon as the
call came in it was dispatched that got
there within a few minutes they geared
up and they went right in so it was a
great police response but still this
Maniac had 14 minutes inside the school
by herself with no armed opposition so
here's my question so let's say instead
of the two assault assault weapon type
weapons rifles that she had let's say
she had a backpack full of handguns or
one handgun with just a bunch of
different magazines could she have
killed six people in 14 minutes if there
were no AR-15s if there was no AR type
rifle that's never been introduced in
this country could she have killed six
people just like she did in 14 minutes
the answer is of course so it literally
if there were no assault weapons she
could have done just as much damage with
any other type of weapon so the idea
that if you say okay we're going to
point to this policy this policy
provision this would have fixed it
saying that because there was an AR
that's why this happened that's
absolutely ridiculous it just this
doesn't make any sense please go ahead
and put into the comments if you think
I'm right or if you think I'm I'm wrong
about that also we're going to go one
step further let's say they do an
assault weapons ban okay they do an
assault weapons ban and that means that
they're not going to manufacture or you
know sell any more you know assault
weapon type Firearms okay fine well the
estimate from the NRA is that and to me
this seems low but again you know we
don't really have any idea but the
estimate from the NRA is that there are
somewhere between 20 to 25 million AR
type rifles in the United States right
now I've seen other estimates that say
there's about 100 million AR type rifles
again we don't know but at least the
numbers from the NRA is somewhere
between 20 to 25 million AR rifles again
that's probably on the low end so so on
the low end if we stopped manufacturing
and selling new AR type style weapons we
still have at least 20 million of these
in the country so there's no way to get
rid of the 20 million weapons and I
guess this is what I say all the time if
you have people who are going to violate
the murder law they're probably not
going to to follow our gun our gun laws
either so those are some of my my
opinions on that
um also this is different from Uvalde so
again I'm gonna I don't want this to be
taken the wrong way the entire response
when it comes to Uvalde was problematic
it was absolutely insane I probably
covered that case and said something to
that effect more than I've said anything
else on this live show about how
problematic that police response was but
it is not it's in the police response in
Nashville is pretty much an ideal
response but the two are a little bit
different and here's how they're
different so so I would say that what
happens if we switch the two so in the
Nashville shooting police officers were
able to when they came upon the offender
she was kind of out in the open in the
process of reloading and they were able
to end this end the threat quickly which
is absolutely what they should have done
it was great and Uvalde the killer the
murderer was in hold up barricaded
inside of a classroom with possible
child hostages so those two situations
just on their on their face they're
absolutely different now my guess is if
you would have put that the Uvalde
situation into Nashville meaning that
you know if the Nashville police
officers had gotten there and they had
um and they had the offender inside of a
classroom with child hostages we're not
exactly sure how that would have gone I
think it's safe to say they would have
ended the situation faster than 77
minutes like Uvalde did um but but the
situations aren't exactly the same and I
guess what I'm saying with this is is
that you know police officers need to
train they need to be prepared for both
situations they need to look okay what
happened in Nashville this is what
happened in Nashville you had a shooter
who was walking around the school they
weren't barricaded and they were
actually out in the open and police
confronted the individual and killed her
almost immediately that was great now we
have the situation in you Uvalde where
when the police get there the the the
the shooter is holed up barricaded
inside of a classroom with possible
child hostages so how you deal with
those situations
um you know at least police officers
have to be aware they can't I think it's
too simple to just say look at what the
Nashville cops did and we need to
replicate that every single time there's
a school shooting because it's probably
not going to happen I'm just going to
tell you now this is literally the ideal
way that we want police officers to
handle a shooting a situation like this
and um uh yeah I'm just going to say
that but but what this did is that there
are so many anti-police activists who
say who say that police are not
necessary and police are useless and
then they point to Uvalde we know what
there is no more pointing to Uvalde
without also pointing to Nashville and
the last thing that I want to say on
this before I take questions is no one
calls a social worker to kill a monster
all right let's say we got here so
officer blue gun uh the worst mass
casualty events in the country involved
a U-Haul with fertilizer and airplanes
yeah officer blue gun that's a that's a
really good point let's also say that
Daryl Brooks um uh in Waukesha Wisconsin
Daryl Brooks that Maniac he was a able
to kill and injure I think he killed 20
something people he injured 60 people by
driving his SUV through a Christmas
parade so yes people do not need people
do not need AR-15s in order to cause a
lot of damage uh let's see the maxo
banning guns nowadays wouldn't do much
but a stricter distribution of
ammunition and qualification
restrictions for any gun owner might do
the trick at least for uh the non-black
market guns the max you know that
reminds me can't remember if it was
Chris Rock goddess is probably from like
20 years ago where he did the bits and
that you know gun control is [ __ ] he
said we don't need gun control we need
bullet control he's like if every bullet
costs five thousand dollars to be like
they put eighty thousand dollars worth
of bullet in this guy he must have done
something so yeah bullet control that's
a that's a interesting idea uh Jesse
says always be prepared uh not waiting
for a radio you're supposed to uh
already have yeah uh that I think that's
a problem and you've always the
communication not having the radio uh
the maxo uh there are illegal gun tons
which pretty much will always exist no
matter what you do agree let's see
Sergeant George to the students who
think getting rid of police officers
from school grounds is a good idea maybe
this will change your mind and make you
think of how important it is to have
them around Sergeant George that's such
a good point because again a situation
listen I don't want kids to go to school
in like a militarized place where you
know they have where it feels more like
a prison than a school that's not the
goal no one wants that but what I'm
saying is I think the same thing that
Sergeant George is saying is that when a
situation like this occurs the only way
it's going to end is to win individuals
with guns come and confront the person
who's doing the killing literally the
only way that something like this ends
so so is a police officer at the front
of a school or on the campus are they
going to stop every single school
shooting well no of course not but can
they be there quicker can the response
can there can an armed person who has is
going to give some type of opposition
and resistance to the maniac having that
close by is that a good idea I just
don't see how anyone can say that's a
bad idea but this is the problem you
have people who are anti-police
activists and what their goal is to
abolish police that's what they want
they want to abolish all police so even
though what I'm saying is reasonable
with Sergeant George but a lot of people
in the chat are saying this is a
reasonable thing to do in order to
protect our kids anti-police activists
will never agree to it because if they
agree to it their it goes against their
basic broader narrative that they want
to abolish all police officers uh let's
see officer blue gun Covenant showed why
we need Warriors in law law enforcement
yeah absolutely officer blue gun um
there is still a place for the warrior
culture in policing and there's an
entire movement out there who is trying
to kill the warrior culture and policing
and make it a bunch of social workers
which there is a place for social
workers I'm not say anything bad about
social workers there is a place for
social workers but there's also a place
for the warrior culture as well uh let's
see
um maxo defunting the police doesn't
sound uh like like a good idea
absolutely Michael Poe with this being a
religious based institution I believe
there's a whole bunch of questions
Michael Poe interesting I'm not sure um
exactly where you're going with that I'm
gonna put in the chat I'm I'm curious
I'm curious about that um I'm not sure
if it's just because I'm not you know
it's better to be a warrior in a garden
than a gardener in a war so I think it's
something to keep in mind and and
Michael Poe um so I'm not sure how this
has to do with it being a religious
school
um except that the school except that
the shooter did previously go to the
school there was some connection there
so um and we haven't heard a whole lot
of details
um about that yet
um but um yeah and the FBI actually
haven't uh the the FBI hasn't released
the manifesto yet um yeah I mean they
probably won't release the manifesto
until uh 2045 because the the shooter
falls into a victimized marginalized
group that uh uh that they don't have
any interest in um talking about uh
let's see uh compliments uh Michael Poe
compliments for the professional preside
textbook example of protecting the
public at large absolutely yeah this was
a great response from police officers
Sergeant George I'm looking forward to
hearing what led up to the incident
Sergeant George I'm interested in that
too I mean we want to know why these
things happen um and when you have a
person who does is obviously they are
mentally ill um there's something else
going on because no normal person does
this but yeah I think we're all
interested and we deserve those answers
all right the next kick that I'm going
to talk about and listen this is I the
best way that I can describe it is
conflicted I am conflicted about this
case
um I still don't know what my final
thoughts are on it so before I do this
show I always look at these cases and I
research and kind of as I'm going
through the week I always write things
down and I go okay this is what I think
about this case here's what I think
about that case this case I I just I
don't know I don't know what I what my
final conclusion is yet so maybe you all
can help me out with this one so the
body cam footage of this actually just
came out yesterday so in my defense I
haven't had a whole lot of time to look
through it but the case that I'm talking
about
um it's an individual named delennio
Martin uh he was 17 years old and this
officer involved shooting on March it
occurred on March 28th of this year
um in the DC area so this happened with
the D.C police and the national parks
police so here's what happened so there
was a call for service in the DC area
that DC Metro Police were dispatched to
and the call was a suspicious vehicle
and this is in the middle of the day I
think it's the morning it's definitely
it's definitely light outside so the
call was a suspicious vehicle that was
in a residential area so police officers
so it's again and this isn't like
they're stopping people for for nonsense
and and something happens um or they're
stopping people for jaywalking or
something silly no it's a call about a
suspicious car again police have to go
doesn't mean that the person did
anything wrong or there's a crime but
the police have to respond so police get
there and they see a couple things they
see the car in question uh they see that
it's running and they see that there's
an individual who ends up being Mr
Martin the 17 year old kid
um that ends up seeing Mr Martin is in
the driver's seat of the car and he
appears to be sleeping so police
officers do what they should they
shouldn't just knock on the knock on the
window and you know all crazy crazy try
to wake people up no they're there they
should try to get a little more
information so police do that they run
the license plate and they find out the
license plate comes back that this is a
stolen car so now they have a felony so
whether it's auto theft or being in
possession of a stolen vehicle both of
those are felonies whichever different
jurisdictions charge different things
for these types of crimes either way
being in the driver's seat of a stolen
car is going to be a felony pretty much
in any jurisdiction including in DC so
now the police officers have probably
cause to arrest the driver for felony so
we can the police officers can do a
couple things they can just immediately
um like they can immediately knock on
the door and the window and start
screaming and yelling at the driver but
they didn't do that to their credit what
the police officers did is they called
for backup they called for more
resources which is a good thing because
again the individual is still still
sleeping so he's not going to sleep
forever right but you know they have a
little bit of time so they use that time
that time on their side which is the
right thing for police officers to do so
they called for backup the U.S national
Park police they showed up as well and
you know I'll be honest I didn't know a
whole lot about the U.S national Park
Service police
um I assume that they just kind of like
guarded like the the
memorials and the and all that kind of
stuff but if you ever listen to street
cop training or if you've been to street
cop training or the street cop training
podcast Dennis the guy who runs it um he
actually was part of the the of the of
the U.S Park police and listen to his
podcast what he talks about is that no
there actually like a proactive law
enforcement agency especially around
especially around the um especially
around the the DC area um that they
respond to calls for service that they
do traffic stops um I think they even
arrested Bruce Springsteen for drunk
driving in like 2021 so so it's more
than I thought um I think that was in
the New York area so that's more than I
thought that the U.S parks police would
do but that's just some context and
that's something I learned recently that
I didn't know about so so DC Metro
Police call for backup U.S parks police
officers show up and essentially they
come up with a plan so some of this is
on body camera video but at least I
haven't been able to find all of the
body camera video about it yet but but
essentially they they have they have a
conversation and during the conversation
um the one of the officers is talking
and they're talking to someone who has
stripes so we know there's at least one
Sergeant that's on scene um as they're
talking that they're talking about well
how are we going to do this you know
what's the plan what's the plan going
forward and officer blue gun let me get
there in a second you are 100 dead on so
so it it they think about what are we
going to do what are we gonna we're
gonna do one of the individuals says to
this Sergeant to something to the effect
of don't get caught up in the car well
yeah that's that's a common thing and
I'm just going to address that really
quick so most of the time it's a bad
idea for police officers to put their
hands their arms any part of their body
inside of a vehicle that might move flee
or accelerate a couple reasons one
because that's extremely dangerous a
police officer could get run over you
could get thrown from a car you could
get hung up in a car we've had cases
like this happen before so typically
there are policies and stuff that are in
place where police officers through
training or policy that they're not
supposed to do that now here's where you
know a lot of times it's a it's a good
idea so the way that I've done this and
you know the way the agency that that I
was with the way that we would handle
something like this is and this isn't
always possible but if possible and this
is the only time I'm gonna say there's
that there's a reasonable exception to
sticking a part of your body inside of
the vehicle is to try to turn the
vehicle off because if the individual is
sleeping if there's a way to turn the
vehicle off take the keys out of the car
to do something like that to disable the
vehicle it'll essentially make the
entire situation safer for both the
individual the driver and for police
officers now that's not always possible
and again I know I sound like I'm
contradicting myself that police
officers shouldn't put any part of their
body in the vehicle so at least for me
only a reasonable time I could see is
that if it's in an effort while an
individual seems like they're sleeping
pretty hard to turn the vehicle off or
take the key so the vehicle the driver
can't accelerate forward with the car
well okay so one of the things the one
of the plans that they have and here's
where this doesn't make any sense here's
where this doesn't break down and
officer blue gun is going is was going
here as well one of the things that
absolutely makes no sense about this so
so first of all let's talk about what
does make sense so here are the kinds of
things that I would think that police
officers would do have done that I've
seen done in this situation like this
okay you have an individual who is uh
you know you have probable cause that he
committed a felony so you also and the
main thing is you don't want the car to
drive away the car's still running he's
in the driver's seat be very easy for
him attempt to just put the car in drive
and drive away so you want to avoid that
so typically what police departments do
if you have the equipment and it would
be crazy to me that large police
departments like the U.S parks police
and also the DC Metro Police don't have
this equipment so this would make no
sense for them not to have it but if
anyone is local there please go ahead
and correct me if I'm wrong is you put
spike strips so you put either either
stop sticks or spike strips or something
underneath one of the tires that way if
he does flee if he does if the vehicle
does accelerate forward he's not going
to get very far right or what I have
seen some other police departments do
we've done some the past isn't ideal but
again if the person is passed out
sleeping they're not going to see you do
this you know maybe pull pull a police
car in in front nose to nose so it'd be
difficult to to it would be it would be
difficult to um it would be difficult to
um uh
um go forward also um police departments
have technology called star Chase which
is essentially a GPS tracker so so you
can put a GPS tracker the star chase you
can put that on the vehicle as well that
way if the vehicle does flee well okay
fine we're not going to risk anybody's
lives you know trying to chase this
thing we know exactly where it is
because we've got a GPS on it okay
um so what what that one of the plans
that they that they came up with and
again this makes absolutely zero sense
is is the rear passenger side window of
the car it was like it wasn't a window
it was like plastic it was like plastic
that was over the window so one of the
things that they decided to do is they
cut out the plastic and they entered the
vehicle through that way so they they
that's how they unlocked the vehicle and
they got into the back seat and again
this is what's strange so um for
whatever reason one officer was by the
rear passenger side of the car and other
officers were by the driver's side of
the car which is reasonable almost
simultaneously so at the same time a
police officer cut open the rear
passenger side window opened the door
and got into the back seat of the car I
mean again this is nuts this makes
absolutely no sense there's no training
that would indicate you should do this
I've never seen this and studying police
police tactics and for over 20 years
I've never seen this before the officer
willingly and purposefully gets into the
back seat at the same time officers
opened the driver's side door and they
confront the driver they wake him up
they try to grab his arms and get him
into custody that's all normal and
reasonable well predictably you can see
what happens the driver accelerates the
police officers are unsuccessful in
getting him out of the car because again
it's very even if police officers are
trying to drag you out of a car it's
very easy to just put the car in drive
and just go forward like I mean that
isn't that isn't hard to do which is one
of the reasons why you want to try to
turn off the car if possible so the
officer or the individual Mr Martin he
accelerates forward he's woken up he
accelerates forward I'm one of the
police officers who is by the driver's
side door kind of gets hit by the car
and is kind of thrown but he doesn't
have any injuries and now you have an
officer who's in the back seat of the
car it's moving he's essentially being
kidnapped which is which is absolutely
crazy so he has his body camera rolling
for all of this so he's telling the guy
stop the car stop the car at one time he
says you know he says something like hey
bro like or hey man like just just let
me out of the car stop the car let me
out the dude did the driver he's not
letting him out he's driving he's
accelerating and then the police officer
says if you don't stop the car I'll I'll
shoot I'll shoot um he gives that
warning less than a second later um the
officer from the back seat of the car
shoots uh Mr Martin multiple times in
the back in the back and kills him uh
the crash the car crashes um into a
house no one was injured in the house
um and the the the driver ends up dying
so obviously this is extremely
problematic and here's my here's my
heartache with it so so I think everyone
kind of feels the feels the same way
let's talk about where we probably agree
I think most of us agree and officer
blue gun mentioned it here a second ago
um he here's here's the problem is that
there is absolutely no reason for that
police officer to go into the backseat
of the car like it literally doesn't
make any sense
um I I don't I I I I I I there's no
justification I've racked my brain
trying to think about it there's no
training there's no education there's no
best practices this is literally the
opposite of that if most police
departments have training and policy
that tell officers hey don't even put
your hands inside of a car that might
move why would you put your entire body
so this is a very predictable thing that
would happen I can't say it enough how
absolutely insane it is so we have a
tactical problem but now we have a
tactical problem so here's my question
about this and this is the part of the
body camera that's missing or at least I
haven't been able to found is the few
minutes in between when they come up
with a plan to where they execute the
plan because on body camera we have
executing the plan so who came up with
this plan so here's where I'm going with
this there was a sergeant on scene so
either this was the Sergeant's idea or
the sergeant approved it now again so
now you have an officer who goes into
the back seat and again this is the part
that we don't know what if this if if
there was a plan or the surgeon told the
officer this is what you're going to do
this is chain of command so my question
is is it the fault of the individual
officer or is it in chart is it the fall
of the first line supervisor the
sergeant who was on scene who allowed
this to happen well I think there's
probably blame going both ways and there
are a lot of people saying that the
police officer should be charged
criminally well okay and just so you
know the Department of Justice did open
up a civil rights investigation on this
case as well so hear me out so even if
you think and I'm not saying I do but
even if someone thinks okay the police
officer should be charged this was
criminal act by the police officer even
if that's the case well does that change
if the police officer is told to do it
by a supervisor
um so now we get into you know
essentially what's officer-induced
Jeopardy and that's and that's really
what the issue is here so the issue is
here's the best example that I can give
about what officer-induced Jeopardy is
and so let's say let's say there's a car
that's speeding away from police or a
car is going 30 miles an hour down the
street a police officer who's on the
side of the road jumps purposely in
front of the moving car and then starts
shooting at the driver and the excuse is
well I was about to be run over by the
driver well most police departments and
just turns are going to say hang on hang
on this car was moving you jumped in
front of it and then started shooting at
the driver and it was unnecessary for
you to do that that is not within policy
that is not within the law so now that's
different than obviously a police
officer who's standing on the side of
the road and a vehicle veers off the
road towards the officer the officer has
nowhere to go and through no fault of
their own and they have to shoot or they
do shoot at the driver to save their
life so those are those are two
different things so so were the were the
so now were the actions of the officer
so negligent or so reckless that
criminal charges would be expected for
the officer so we have that and the last
thing that I'm going to say about this
and this is what I'm curious about what
people think so so let's say let's all
look now so where I went with all that
is let's say let's acknowledge
everything was problematic about how how
the officer ends up in the back no
matter if it was the officer's fault if
it was a Sergeant's fault who who's ever
it was a fault of all the police
officers on scene I I don't don't know
but either way the officer is in the
back seat of a car of a car that's
moving and the driver isn't stopping is
that a deadly force situation well let's
talk about it yes or no so in in talking
about well it is a deadly force
situation because essentially the
officer is being kidnapped he's not able
to move he's in this car and an argument
could be made that okay if we
acknowledge this is a deadly force
situation
um what would the best thing to do be
are you going to wait until the guy
crashes the car intentionally are you
going to wait until the driver are you
gonna wait until the driver gets on the
highway and is doing 100 miles an hour
instead of doing 20 miles an hour in a
residential area well that doesn't make
a whole lot of sense because then then
if you do have to use force or get into
a shooting or anything like that it's
much dangerous for the other traffic and
pedestrians and everybody else so um
also and if if someone is driving a car
think about it this way if someone is
driving a car okay and because what I've
heard a lot is well yeah but then the
car crashed and they could have hurt and
killed anyone well that's absolutely
true but think about it this way either
you're saying the police officer has to
just sit there and take it and if that's
your position like okay fine I'm good
for you to hear it out the police
officer has to sit there and take it and
not use any force or do anything and
just kind of see where this person ends
up taking them and they just have to
deal with it so if that's your position
I'm I'm good with it I like to hear that
argument but if your position is no the
police officer has to do something well
either way the car is going to crash
whether it's the officer grabs the the
individual's arms
um whether the officer grabs the
steering wheel himself with the officer
uses a taser punches the driver in the
face I mean either way the car is going
to crash so the so it's pretty much
inevitable in my opinion that when
something like this happens if the
driver doesn't stop on his own pretty
quickly either way this is going to end
in some kind of a crash and again so if
you're the police officer in that
situation or just someone looking at
this situation from the outside do you
want that crash to be in a residential
area where the driver is going 20 miles
an hour and there's not many people
around or would you want to crash to be
when the drive when the driver is going
100 miles an hour down the highway so
clearly I think the slower speeds the
quicker that you can end this the
absolute better so
um and and the thing is is so you know
police officers can use deadly force
really all Force but in this case police
officers can use deadly force it is if
it is objectively reasonable that's
right from Graham versus Conor so what
that means is in the moment would a
reasonable police officer in a similar
set of circumstances think have a
reasonable belief that they are at risk
of great bodily injury or death if the
answer to that is yes so not what
happened 10 minutes before well I in the
moment at that exact moment so you
basically take the exact moment that the
officer used Force when you put bookends
around it this is when you're looking at
this case legally under Graham versus
Conor and you put book ends around it at
the exact moment that the trigger was
pulled was it objectively reasonable and
that's how this case is looked at when
it comes to whether or not the shooting
was loffler not I think if we just ask
that question again because either
you're saying that the police officer
has to sit there and just take it and
deal with it or the police officer can
use force in order to stop the situation
and you know if you say the police
officer just has to take it again I'd
really like to hear that argument but
you put bookends around the time that
the force was actually used and the
reason it was used is that objectively
reasonable I think that question is
probably yes because otherwise you're
saying well police officer just has to
sit there and let the guy crash the car
at 100 miles an hour and that officer
doesn't have a right to defend his own
life like that isn't a thing so there's
no law that says that um so so I think
it's probably that there probably should
be no criminal charges against the
police officer for the actual shooting
now I could change my mind that's kind
of what I think kind of want to see the
rest of the body camera footage but
that's kind of where I'm leading that in
the moment yes this was objectively
reasonable but everything before it was
problematic how he ends up in the back
seat but that to me that seems like that
is a that is a violation of training
that's a violation of policy that's
that's you know possible possible you
know um uh discipline from the
Department maybe discipline or getting
your license revoked or suspended as a
police officer definitely a civil
lawsuit from the side of the family so
um I I could I could change my mind I
reserve the right to change my mind on
this if there is more information but
just what I'm looking at now I think
it's probably objectively reasonable the
moment he pulled the gun but
acknowledging everything else before is
problematic but the thing is police not
using the best tactics or police making
a mistake or police not using the best
training that's not criminal like that's
not that's not that's not a criminal
action by the police officer that not
using your training or remembering your
training or making a bone-headed
decision in a dynamic situation trying
to arrest someone in in who's committing
a felony no like like that isn't that
isn't Criminal you know what is criminal
stealing a car uh not listening to
police officers and then driving away
with a police officer in the car not
letting them out so all of that is
Criminal so so maybe we can look at it
this way okay before the shooting
happened the police officer made
tactical mistakes but Mr Martin
committed multiple felonies okay let's
call that a wash okay so if we call that
a wash is it objectively reasonable in
the moment that's not how the law looks
at it of course but you know just trying
to talk him through this is it
objectively reasonable in the moment
probably all right so let's see uh let's
see if we have any uh questions on this
Stephen Steve Leitner says I shot an
unarmed man in the back Steve and I go
back and forth all the time well Steve
that is uh incredibly ridiculous and
dishonest so it can unarmed man in the
back who is driving a car and had
kidnapped the police officer so so I
guess here's my point with all this um
Steve if if you're saying that so that
means that you would have to say that
there's no circumstance Steve that uh uh
of a vehicle is a weapon which it
absolutely is it makes no no sense so so
again Steve here's what I'm asking I
know this is a lot to ask that if you
think the police office sir just has to
take it and has to sit there and can't
do anything to defend themselves I'm
good with that position I don't agree
but I'm good with that position but I at
least ask and again I know this is a lot
I at least ask that you're honest and
you use the facts that we have not some
made effects but saying it was unarmed
person who was who was in a car and it
was unarmed person the police shot him
in the back for no reason like that's
ridiculous that's silly that's almost a
juvenile uh level of trolling that we
shouldn't even address so um be honest
about the facts and tell me why why you
think that Steve uh let's see
um the officer blue gun agrees that's an
interesting simplification Steve yeah so
uh Bruce says uh I was thinking the same
thing let's see um uh blue officer blue
gun the family will win a civil lawsuit
because of the bad tactics officer blue
gun that's exactly what I think yeah
this is a this is a civil case this is a
you know this is a Brianna Taylor level
uh civil case um and and you know that's
probably the case that it it best best
representative of is like yes there are
probably some tactical errors beforehand
but in the moment like it was reasonable
for the officer to pull the trigger um
that means not criminal but huge civil
lawsuit and police officers probably
will lose their jobs or be disciplined
severely that's my guess as to what
happens uh to this um the deck says this
guy looks similar to Ted Cruz okay all
right well I don't know what to tell you
about that there's nothing nothing I can
do about that I guess it's the purple
shirt uh let's see Sergeant George says
the fact that the police officer got in
the back seat of a suspect's car is a
clear violation of training and protocol
Sergeant George I agree I agree 100 you
know I did a video on this on Tick Tock
and um someone who obviously has some
law enforcement experience because they
were citing different training and stuff
like that where you know at least it
made me seem like they had some law
enforcement experience they asked me the
question they said what what training
does this violate and I didn't even know
how to answer that so I mean because
it's it's such it's such nonsense it's
such just beyond anything common sense
that a police officer would do and again
I know there are certain departments
that do have training to not put any
part of your body in inside of a car
when it's moving or think it's going to
flee um you're right there probably
isn't something in policy that says hey
don't put yourself in the back seat of a
car because you could get kidnapped so
the policy probably doesn't extend that
far because no one reasonable who's
making a policy would ever think a
police officer would do this uh Garrett
says uh maybe there's an argument for
using more de-escalation tactics uh
could be prudent but really it's a weird
situation first place yeah no it is and
um yeah so de-escalation Garrett I'm not
really sure what they can do because you
have an individual who's sleeping
um so it's not like you know you can you
could talk someone I mean someone is
someone is being awoken by police
they're not expecting it and it's almost
a natural reaction just to try to run
even if you're not a bad person even if
you're just a heavy sleeper and you know
you're woken up maybe you're a little
intoxicated that's kind of a common
thing with people who fall asleep in
cars and you wake up and you have a
bunch of people screaming and yelling at
you even maybe in that second before you
realize it's police a natural reaction
might be just to try to even get out of
the situation so um yes I don't know how
much de-escalation Garrett um would have
worked but different tactics for sure
like I talked about the beginning of
this like you know a reasonable thing
would be to put um spike strips or a
spike belt underneath
um uh spot underneath the tires so that
if or or the star Chase GPS that way if
the car does run it isn't a big deal and
you know one of the things and here's
here's again what here's what doesn't
make any sense and that's why this
missing body camera footage is just so
relevant because also one of the things
that was on body camera footage that was
put out there is one of the officers on
scene before they went ahead with this
bone-headed plan one of the officers
said if he go if he if he drives away if
he leaves just let him go if he runs
just let him go yes that's the way to
think about this a stolen car okay fine
yes it's a felony but it's not worth
anybody's life it's not worth getting
into a high-speed chase over it's not
worth injuring a police officer or the
driver
um for any of these things so spike
strips Spike belt um GPS seems like a
reasonable thing can't believe that they
thought that was a better this was a
better idea than that Michael Poe says
uh sorry I'm still trying to wrap my
head around anyone jumping into a
vehicle under these circumstances
especially not the police officer yeah I
I agree so um there was one other case
um uh there was uh Steve Ladner why do
you think the body camera footage is
missing so Steve I I don't know and so
Steve I'm going to be this is as honest
as I could be on this is I don't know if
it's missing or if I just wasn't able to
find it so um I think if you go to my
understandings that the body camera
footage has been put out but when I
Googled it all that would come up is the
different new sites CNN and Fox News and
MSNBC who had different versions of the
body camera footage
um and that's all I was able to find
because it just came out yesterday I
haven't had a lot of time my guess Steve
is that if you go right to the the
website to either the National Park
police or to the DC Metro Police that
they probably have the full body camera
footage there so I think if anything
it's operator error and I just haven't
been able to find it my guess is it's
out um I could Steve I could be wrong
but that's that's my guess um because uh
the damaging part of this I mean it's
already out uh how silly all of this was
uh let's see uh officer last comment
officer blue gun wonder if the officer
climbing in the back was actually not
part of the plan and he went and bit
Rogue still not why not box the vehicle
in yeah I I agree 100 again this doesn't
make this doesn't make any sense um so
the missing I say missing body camera
footage maybe that's the misleading I
haven't been able to find it so if
anybody does find it why don't you put
in the comments later on um otherwise I
am going to search for it this weekend
okay uh next case that I want to talk
about I mean this is a really strange
case
um it's out of LAPD and this is where
the police officers were essentially
doxed uh what that means that their
personal information was put out there
and this is a really strange with a lot
of lawsuits going going different ways
and on this one I'm actually going to
take the side of an anti-police activist
which is something I almost never do so
here's what happens so there's a there's
an individual who's a journalist named
Ben Camacho and he's one of these people
who does public record requests and
tries to get different records and he
puts them out there on YouTube and stuff
and who cares I mean that's how you want
to spend your time spend your time that
way it's illegal perfectly legal thing
to do so in one of his records requests
by mistake employees with the LA City
attorney's office gave him a lot more
than he asked for so obviously this was
a mistake by the employees of the city
of La what they gave um this journalist
Ben Camacho what they gave him was
essentially the names personal
information and pictures of 9000 LAPD
officers and a lot of those officers
were undercover officers so what Ben
Camacho they also gave email addresses
as well what the officer what Ben
Camacho did is he then gave that
information to uh uh to an anti-police
group called LAPD spying Coalition so he
gave that information to the LAPD spying
coalition to coalition to who of course
published it all online so all of this
information is online police officers
are getting police officers are all
kinds of police officers are getting all
kind of threats oh D dog hello
appreciate the Insight are you a police
officer yeah d-dog my over 17 years
experience uh in a police department
masters degree in criminal justice and a
law degree
um so um what they did is
um they they basically put all this
information out online which is
um it it doesn't it doesn't there's
nothing wrong with that so yes of course
morally maybe there's something wrong
with it but that isn't illegal so what
happened is so now you have police
officers who are pissed off and police
officers are pissed off you know at the
city for releasing the information and
to the group who put it all online but
if we look at whose actual fault this is
so who had the duty to protect this
information it's not the anti-police
Maniacs I mean they are juveniles that
we don't expect literally anything from
them we don't even expect them to not
set buildings on fire right so I mean we
there isn't any expectation that they're
reasonable humans but the city of La
they were the custodians of these
records that's who I think is at fault
in this so um there's a couple different
lawsuits going back and forth fourth so
the city of La actually sued Ben Camacho
and the and the LAPD spying Coalition
group who put it online and sued them
and what they're asking for in their
lawsuit is to return is to return um the
documents and and the the thumb drive um
to the police department then to take it
down off the internet um again I don't
always think that uh you know people who
so the the Ben Camacho the journal he
did say something funny in response to
the news he said that's not how the
internet works um but so I mean it's
like I can give you back the stuff but
this stuff is out there it's out there
it's in the Internet it's not going
anywhere so um yeah so it's it's so the
lawsuit from the city La is is a little
silly um because it's not going to
accomplish anything even if even if the
the manila envelope that had the
information in the thumb drive even if
this guy gives it back uh and the
website is even if this is taken off the
website it's been shared you know
probably hundreds of thousands of times
but different people so the information
isn't going anywhere so again it's a
little silly for this to the city of La
so you know anything when it comes to
the journalists and first amendments um
I can and again this is a case for you
because I'm a First Amendment absolutist
I can disagree just on a moral level and
just on any of every level I can
disagree and and don't think it's a good
idea that uh the journalist and the LAPD
spying Coalition did this but I
absolutely 100 to acknowledge it's their
right to do it um so there's really
nothing the city of La can do um what
this seems like to me is that the city
of La is preemptively trying to um
prevent a lawsuit or against themselves
because if I was a police officer with
the Los Angeles Police Department and my
information was put out there I would as
the union or as as LAPD officers I think
they should be mad at the city they
should file lawsuits and and all kinds
of things against the city my guess is
that there is a Union contract
collective bargaining contract that the
police officers Union has with the city
of La that's specifically prohibits uh
the city of La from doing this my guess
is it's a violation of that kind
contract so I think that's where the
legal fight and again legal fights don't
always make sense but I think that's
where the legal fight should be should
be the police officers suing the city I
think the city is trying to take some of
the the heat off themselves by suing
these journalists but again again the
the journalists were given this
information by the city that they really
can do whatever they want with it um so
yeah that's that's that's going to be an
interesting case to uh to follow going
forward uh Garrett says uh Wonder though
if they could hold Ben liable for years
down the road in case something does
occur uh to the release of information
Garrett no I don't think so I don't
think so um like I said he was given
information from the city and he gave it
to someone else he actually
um I mean yes it does depend on on
California Kenya for in your laws um
when it comes to protecting personal
information but typically a journalist
um you know doesn't have any duty to
protect the private information of
public employees the city has that Duty
um so there could be ethics when it
comes to to to journalism but again a
lot it's not like he works for the New
York Times or the LA Times they could
try to get him fired you know I think he
just works for himself you know and this
should be a first even though it's
idiotic it should be a First Amendment
protected activity so um we can all
agree it's a bad idea he shouldn't have
done it but I don't see any anything
that he did that was illegal bad idea
yes illegal no and should it be illegal
no it probably shouldn't be illegal I
mean if the city I mean the protections
have to be there from the city um it's
just kind of like with with the HIPAA
law you know the the HIPAA law with
medical information well it's not up to
anyone who obtains the information it's
up to the the the medical facility the
doctors they are the ones who it's their
job to protect that information
um so this is absolutely crazy that just
happened uh let's see uh let's see Bruce
says uh you just gave me a good plan
California uh change it to uh can you
afford that exactly uh let's see
Sergeant George says the only thing I
can think of off time my head is
espionage unlike any other
um yeah I mean I like I said I I don't
think there's any there's certainly no
not going to be any criminal charges
um against against the journalists um so
no one's even thinking criminal charges
um but essentially like I said what to
what this even again even if the city of
La gets what they're asking for in their
lawsuit so let's say the city of La wins
the lawsuit all they're asking for is
the manila envelope back that had the
documents and the thumb drive and the
website taken down even if they win even
if they get a judge to say do all of
that stuff the images are out there
they've been shared hundreds of
thousands of times it literally does
nothing um to take down one website when
a hundred more can pop up in a matter of
seconds doesn't make any sense so um
yeah so this uh uh yeah this doesn't
make any sense
um yeah and there's all kinds of
internet archive sites I mean so with
the website so again it doesn't make
doesn't make any sense I I think that
the I think that the city of La is
really just trying to um cover their
cover their bases
um
the mayor of La Karen bass she expressed
concerns she was asked about this a
couple days ago she didn't want to talk
specifically about it all that she would
say is that she said that she hopes that
this doesn't hurt recruiting new LAPD
officers and then retaining the ones
that they could have um and you know I
mean this is just another blunder from
LAPD management you know a couple months
ago it was a Banning the Blue Line flag
um in City buildings and now this so I'm
not sure why anyone would want to be an
LAPD officer and this is just a part of
the reason why
um another California story that I'm
gonna talk about here for a second it's
Ben Lee so Ben Lee was the founder of
Cash app um he's also the chief
technology officer of square
um he was a Bay Area person like a lot
of these Tech Giants Tech Giants are he
had moved from the Bay Area to Florida a
while back um he recently went back to
San Francisco for a business meeting and
I it's tragically shockingly he was
stabbed to death um last week he was
stabbed to death in San Francisco
walking around at about 2 30 in the
morning
condolences have come across from all
kinds of famous people people like Elon
Musk I mean everyone has put out their
their condolences because they all knew
Bentley and you know it's one of those
things where you know we talk about how
dangerous and how violent some of these
cities are and it's like this is the the
this is a perfect example of that
someone who doesn't have a violent
history who's just a normal business
person who was there for business is
stabbed to death up probably by a maniac
the police don't have anybody in custody
yet but in some of the things that
people were talking about about this
case is it's not just the death of the
one person but it's also just the
violence in general in San Francisco
this is actually the 12th homicide of
the year for San Francisco that's 20
percent higher than last year at this
point
um this relates to a book I just
finished reading so I actually just
finished a couple weeks ago a book
called San Francisco written by Michael
schellenberger he was one of the ones
who did the did the the Twitter file
else um but but basically he talked
about the root causes specifically in
San Francisco he talks about the root
causes of homelessness and addiction and
crime and essentially how these
Progressive policies
um and all these Progressive solutions
they failed everyone this is just an
example of that so thoughts out to
Bentley's family he had a couple of
young kids it's unbelievably sad and
yeah this is the again there are there
are predictable
um there are predictable
um uh
things that happen when bad public
policy is put in place
um okay here's this next story that is
is is strange so
um everyone has seen these YouTube
videos where people go around and they
pull pranks on people in public
um I mean if if [ __ ] around and find out
was a story it's this one so there's a
YouTuber who I had never heard of before
but uh is his name is Tanner cook and he
runs a YouTube channel called classified
goons so essentially what he does I
think he has like 40 000 subscribers
more than I thought he would have but he
has about 40 000 subscribers on YouTube
and what what he does is he goes around
he pulls pranks on people he records it
and stuff like that a lot of them are
harmless a lot of them are just annoying
so for example in one of his prior
pranks he went behind the counter at
McDonald's and essentially
um surprised and scared the workers
there they ended up calling police some
so he does stuff like that he has his
buddy record
um well what he decided to do is he went
out to the mall in the Washington DC
area last week
um and he was pulling one of his pranks
um he contacted an individual who he
didn't know before named Alan Cauley um
Alan Cauley does have a violent history
nothing crazy but he has been arrested
for battery um a couple different times
in the last decade um so Alan the um uh
Mr cook contacted Mr collie the YouTuber
contacted Mr collie and the food court
while Mr Cauley was there trying to pick
up a doordash order so let's imagine
this you're doing your thing you're
trying to pick up a doordash order
probably just trying to make some extra
money on the weekend and all of a sudden
all of a sudden you're approached by by
someone who's trying to film a YouTube
video which is which is uh you know just
not everybody wants to be a character in
your video
um so what happened during this
interaction is that um during the
interaction
um Mr cook persisted he was trying to
get Mr collie just to do some goofy
things on video Mr collie wasn't having
it um he told him he didn't want
anything to do with him he walked away
um but the YouTuber was following him
and kind of pestering him event
eventually I mean these things only last
for for so long So eventually Mr collie
pulled out a handgun after he was being
followed and pestered he pulled out a
handgun he shot the YouTuber in the
stomach
um the YouTuber Mr cookie did not suffer
um life-threatening injuries um I think
he had to have his gallbladder removed
so he will survive he's done a couple
interviews and stuff like that so
non-life-threatening injuries Mr collie
was charged with aggravated malicious
wounding and using a firearm inside of a
building
um the sheriff's department also said
that Mr cook may also be facing
harassment charges because this was
captured on video so Mr cook did have
one of his buddies record this while
this was happening so apparently the
sheriff's department investigating this
does have the video of the incident and
they have um and they have they they
said that it's possible that Mr cook May
face harassment charges and you know
what really the only surprising thing
about this case is that this is the
first time this has happened and me it's
just like don't bother people not
everybody wants to be a character in
your idiotic video all right let's see
if we have any comments on that uh let's
see uh officer blue gun I'm going to
watch his subscriber count uh may need
to get shot to get more subs yeah
officer blue gun uh my guess if he had
40 000 Subs when this happened it's only
going to go up um yeah um yeah uh yeah
and you know I if we should be said a
lot of these pranks um are actually
demonetized uh by uh by YouTube with
their with their new policies uh in
order to try to to try to um discourage
this kind of thing and um yeah I have no
issue with people making funny videos
but it it's one of those things where
it's like some people a lot of people we
just want to be left alone don't bug Us
in public and it's one of those things
where it's like if you're going to bug
someone public if it's clear they don't
want to be a part of it just leave them
alone this is a this is a uh a good um
uh example of that and another important
part of the story is I just want to put
out there it it's unclear if the
doordash order was actually delivered on
time
um okay so the last case I'm going to
talk about and this is kind of a teaser
because again this came in
um just last night is when we heard
about this case so we don't have body
camera footage we just have a basic kind
of a statement from the police
department but this is a tragic case and
it seems like there's going to be a lot
of problems and issues um with this case
once we get the body camera footage so
let me just set it up and hopefully next
week we'll have some more information on
it but this happened in Farmington New
Mexico Farmington New Mexico it's a town
of about you know fifty thousand Thirty
fifty thousand people or so um up in the
four corners area probably about 45
minutes from Durango Colorado but it's
Farmington New Mexico so there was a
domestic violence uh uh the the way I
can describe the town it's kind of like
a blue collar um oil field workers a
tourists go there and stuff like that
because a lot of Northern uh New Mexico
looks like Colorado so it's actually
pretty nice
um so there was a domestic violence call
in Farmington New Mexico police officers
respond to the domestic violence call uh
the knock on the door the problem is
it's the wrong door
um they're at the wrong house and and
obviously police officers don't realize
it so at this point we don't know and
I'm gonna say we don't know we can
assume but we don't know if if police
officers were just given the wrong
address by the dispatcher or if the
caller um gave the wrong address or if
police officers had the right address
they just went to the wrong house so all
we know is that police officers went to
the wrong house but exactly how that
happened we don't know I'm just putting
it out there that there could be a
couple different possibilities as to why
police officers were at the wrong house
either way this is the wrong house these
people did not call police no one called
police on them they were not involved in
a domestic dispute so police officers
knock on the door no one answers the dog
no one answers the no one answers the
door at first police officers kind of
walk back to their car the kind of
standing in front of the house they have
uh they they contact dispatch and they
go up and they knock on the door again
it's reported at that point
um the the homeowner um the homeowner of
the House of mail he he exit comes to
the front door and he's holding the gun
which a lot of people in New Mexico have
firearms that's not an unusual thing so
he enters the house with a firearm um at
this point we don't know if he just we
don't know if he just uh If he if he
points the gun If he if he threatens the
police officers we don't even know if he
knows that it is police officers or if
you think someone's just harassing him
knocking at his door I mean we don't
know at this point um uh so but what
happens is he does come out armed with a
firearm we know that police officers um
do engage um do fire at him um they end
up killing him um his name is Mr Dotson
um the chief of Farmington Police uh
Steve uh heavy said I'm just heartbroken
Mr Dotson was not the subject of the
call that's from the Farmington Police
Chief um so um the the the Mr Dotson was
killed by police officers during this Mr
Dotson's wife um came out as well she
was armed she also started firing her
police officers her and police officers
exchange gunfires as far as I'm worth
this point she and the police officers
weren't injured and it's also been being
reported that as soon as she realized or
was told or you know realized that it
was police officers she stopped firing
she stopped firing and she she put her
put her gun down and cooperated with
with police officers
um so again we don't have a lot of
information this just came out last
night obviously we're interested with
the body camera footage says we wonder
what the police officers were told want
to know if they announced themselves
these are just some of the questions
that I would think of that we need to
ask about this particular case but so
the statement that I just said that's
coming from the Farmington Police
Department so
um you wouldn't think that the
Farmington Police Department would have
any incentive to say anything positive
in the light of of Mr and Mrs Dodson
right and even and even um even the
Farmington Police Chief says that as
soon as the wife realized it was police
officers she stopped firing so what that
leads me to believe is that it seems
reasonable that Mr and Mrs Dawson didn't
know that it was police officers um so
again how this all occurred third we're
not sure but that's kind of a teaser for
next week um I should just say that the
New Mexico State Police is the lead
agency I'm investigating this officer
involved shooting as part of the
multi-agency task force so we will stay
on top of that if there is any more
information on that case um we'll
definitely put it in there I'm
definitely put it uh on on the show next
week and um yeah that's going to be
that's going to be our show today so I
want to thank everybody
um I want to thank
um one more comment because this is a
good one Bruce says well imagine one
imagine uh to be a cop and be told you
just shot an innocent person like that I
would not want to live with that no no
that's that's we know that that's um I
mean Hearts have to go out to the the
person who wasn't the subject of the
call will end up dying but yeah this
obviously isn't easy for a police
officer no police officer says you know
what I want to do I'm going to go to
work and I want to kill uh an innocent
person for no reason who isn't the
subject of a call for service like
that's not a thing that happens um so
yeah this is a tragedy all around um
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