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good afternoon this is Daniel here with
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important issues in policing we got some
really interesting cases this week and
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from Seattle and uh Jeff is from Arizona
Steve Ladner good afternoon Steve all
right so we're going to get right into
it so the first case that I want to talk
about this happened on March 1st so just
a couple days ago in Farmington Utah so
this was a case it was an officer
involved shooting and this started with
a traffic stop so Farmington Utah police
officers initiated a traffic stop on a
vehicle and the reason for the traffic
stop was because the vehicle wasn't
registered so a lot lot of times I talk
about lawful objectives so what was the
reason that the police officers came
into contact with that individual if
there's no lawful reason if there's no
Reasonable Suspicion or probable cause
and then later on there's a use of force
or an officer involved shooting you know
I'm I really hard on police officers if
there's no good reason to make contact
in the first place when it comes to
search and seizure I'm a real stickler
for that kind of stuff but this is a
case where the initial contact seemed to
be reasonable because the vehicle wasn't
registered so the police officer made a
traffic stop well he made it cut traffic
stop and he contacted the driver whose
name is Chase Allen Chase Allen is 25
years old and unfortunately he's a
sovereign citizen so during this whole
interaction he plays the same games that
Sovereign citizens play every single
time and this entire interaction between
Chase Allen and the police officer is
all captured on body camera footage and
I've seen a lot of body camera footage
of sovereign citizens interacting with
police officers just like a lot of you
have I'm sure and this police officer he
is unbelievably reasonable and
respectful with Chase Allen and I'm
going to go through some of the some of
the contact before we get to the officer
involved shooting so the police officer
does exactly what you would expect them
to he asked for the driver's license
registration insurance card almost
immediately Chase Allen says that he
doesn't have to give any of those
documents to the police officer and
essentially he refuses so the police
officer goes back and forth with him for
several minutes as soon as he knows
notices and and that Mr Allen isn't
being cooperative the officer called for
backup this is the right thing to do
because a lot of times police officers
are able to use less Force if there's
more officers there if someone is going
to be combative or if force is going to
have to be used you know a lot of times
two or three officers may be able to uh
get someone into custody just using
empty hand tactics instead of if it's
just one officer that might rise to a
higher level of force so the fact that
as soon as Mr Allen said that he wasn't
going to cooperate that the police
officer started backup this is a good
thing that the police officer did so the
police officer continues to have contact
with him he waits till backup gets there
and eventually the conversation goes
something to the effect of this the
officer says Hey listen I'm asking for
your driver's license you are required
to give him me your identification card
because I stopped you for a lawful
reason and this interaction this can go
one of two ways you can cooperate and
you can give me your identification I
can continue with my investigation for
why the vehicle isn't registered or you
can be uncooperative and we're going to
pull you out of the car and you're going
to be arrested so he basically leaves
the the what's going to happen he puts
it into the hands of Mr Allen and you
know most of the time when there's a use
of force from police officers this is
the case the individuals make the
decision and the police officers react
to that decision you know most of the
time it's not very surprising so but
what's rare and doesn't always happen is
that the police officer was so calm and
reasonable that he was able to not he
was able to lay it out for Mr Allen
where he specifically said this is
what's going to happen happen and if you
don't do this this is what's going to
happen we can go down either path you
want I would prefer the path of you just
handing me your driver's license and we
handle this just like a normal traffic's
app but Mr Allen because he's a
sovereign citizen he doesn't think the
laws apply to him he's the special so he
doesn't do that eventually you know it
comes to the point where police officers
tell him that you know if he doesn't get
out of the car if he doesn't give his
driver's license that he's going to be
pulled out of the car and arrested it's
at that point the police officers open
the door and they make good on their
Ward they do exactly what they say
they're going to do Mr Allen tells the
police officers that if they go Hands-On
with him if they touch him that they're
going to have a problem well they did
have a problem because as the police
officers were forcefully trying to get
Mr Allen out of the vehicle he did have
a holster and he had a gun and he
reached for that gun as he was reaching
for the gun one of the police officers
yells gun gun gun and another police
officer fires Mr Allen ended up dying he
was 25 years old and this is a tragic
story because if we look at this and
listen anyone who has had the the
displeasure to deal with a sovereign
citizen knows exactly whose fault this
is when it comes to big picture
it's the parents they radicalized him
and they ruined him and he was a young
man
this seems like this is a lawful and
reasonable and Justified
officer-involved shooting and here's why
it's because Mr Allen he was quite
uncooperative with police officers and
then as they tried to take him into
custody he reached for a gun in that
moment it would be reasonable for a
police officer to want to avoid what
would happen if your Mr Allen got a hold
of that gun and tried to shoot the
police officers so that's my opinion on
that story it's been in the news the
last couple days national news let's see
what everybody says about this case all
right um let's see Daryl Smith says
first thing Chase should have done was
tell the officers he had a firearm Daryl
Smith yeah I mean that's a reasonable
thing to do is to tell is to tell a
police officer that you have a firearm
of course Steve Ladner says immature
trigger happy cops murdered that kid so
Steve so I would ask you what should the
police officers have done when Mr
Allen is reaching for a gun so again
this is one of those things where it's
like if you're not the one up there
um
making contact with someone lawfully
trying to arrest them and you know
saying well you know the officer should
have let him grab the gun the officer
should have let him fire the officer
shouldn't return fire until they're shot
five six seven or eight times that
doesn't make sense that's not reasonable
so Steve Ladner if you can point to any
training or law that says a police
officer has to wait until they're being
shot at before they before they defend
themselves let me know I'll be curious
about that let's see okay
um if they uh pork zombie says if they
aren't actively stopping bad cops they
are come complacent um okay fine yeah
that makes that makes sense all right uh
Sonia says Uh there's bad everywhere if
you obey the laws there will be no
problems yeah no that's absolutely true
so you know most of the time again when
it comes to officer involved shootings
it isn't the choice of the police
officer it's the actions of the
individual and the police officers were
very clear I always talk about decision
points you know it's very easy to have
just blanket criticism of police
officers that's Broad and really isn't
specific and all that does is indicate
to the rest of us that you aren't very
educated not just on the overarching
topic of policing but you're not very
educated or involved on the specific
facts of different cases what I mean by
that is you know I went through this
case step by step and if a police
officer made a mistake I would say okay
this is what happened this is what the
police officer should have done but in
in this case again tell me where the
police officer made a mistake so it's
not like the police officer started to
shoot him before he reached for the gun
he reached for a gun while he was not
cooperating with arrest and police
officers utilized deadly force I mean to
me that seems reasonable again if you
could point to any training policy or
law that would indicate the police
officers to do something different
that's the space where I'd like to have
a conversation but a lot of times the
criticism is you know really just
dishonest criticism when you say the
police officers did bad they are trigger
happy but you don't list anything
specific about a case it's really
difficult to take people serious nicely
when you don't give specific criticism
on what police officers should do Steve
Lander says he was taking off his
seatbelt he wasn't taking off a seat
belt oh let's see um uh [ __ ] off says
cops always go for their guns first we
that's the wrong form of there but [ __ ]
off it's um they didn't go for their
guns so I would encourage you to watch
the video because they didn't go for
their guns first they actually talked to
this individual for several minutes they
gave him multiple times to comply and
they told him that force was going to be
used and instead of using their guns to
try to get him out of the car they use
their hands they were trying to help
escort him out of the vehicle it was at
that point he reached for a gun they
utilized deadly force which it is going
to be absolutely reasonable uh did they
shoot him enough times uh yeah they shot
it just out yeah they shot him enough
times so he wasn't a threat that's
exactly what they did so everybody can
go and watch the body camera footage of
this and like I said if you have a
specific criticism of what the police
officers do or again you can point to
training or policy or law that would
indicate the police officer officers to
do something different I'm interested to
hear it let's have a an honest
discussion in a debate just saying all
police officers are bad all police
officers are trigger happy not real
helpful I'll be honest all right so the
next case that I let's see uh Sonja says
they don't always go for their guns yeah
of course they don't always go for their
guns because they didn't in this case um
but you know facts um don't always
matter to a lot of people so the next
case that I want to talk about is Katie
sponsler so this is kind of a strange
case so I'm not sure if everybody has
been following it I did multiple videos
on Tick Tock about this over the past
week so definitely go ahead and follow
me over there at police law news and
because I've been talking about this
case and going back and forth with
people all week um so Katie sponsler
essentially Katie sponsler she was in
the Air Force after the Air Force she
went to be a national park ranger and
she was a national park ranger for a
couple years now listen I don't know
anything about being a national park
ranger the first time I even heard
anything kind of specifically about what
they do is Dennis from street cop
training he's got really really great
training really great podcast he was
with the national park uh Ranger with
the National Park Service and he kind of
talked about it and they were actually
more proactive at least in the DC area
than I expected them to be um but back
to Katie sponsor so again she was in the
Air Force for uh 10 or 11 years
and then she was a national park ranger
for a couple years
um she she separated employment with
them um she resigned is what was is
what's on her website and the website
was because she did run for Congress in
2021 in Virginia
um she ran for congress um she was in a
unsuccessful unsuccessfully ran for
congress
um and you know she really hasn't been
heard from since I'll be honest until
like late in late in uh January early in
February I had no idea who she was but
here's kind of how she came into the
national Spotlight so on January 28th of
23 she wrote a tweet and this was right
after the Tyree nickel shooting which
again Tyree Nichols
um uh uh death by the hands of Memphis
police officers which again everybody
has said is uh is an unlawful killing um
that those all those five officers
should absolutely be prosecuted so um
Katie sponsler she basically wrote a
tweet and her tweet said a couple things
and she talked about her training as a
park ranger a federal park ranger and
she essentially criticized the police
training in her tweet she said two
things now get to the specifics of them
here in a few but she criticized a
couple things in her police training she
said that you know one of the things
that she thinks needed to change is that
she was trained to yell stop resisting
or drop the gun after an
officer-involved shooting and you know
she didn't like that part of the
training she also said that you know
because I was a smaller female that I
was trained that I could use more Force
more quickly than larger people and I
didn't like that either well that tweet
went viral um that tweet got um just
over I think 4.5 million views so I mean
she became a pretty National National
figure after that um a couple days later
on 131 she went on the horrible awful
Joy read Show on MSNBC and then she was
asked to write an article for Time
Magazine on 2 6 23. um so looking at
some of the things that that she talked
about that's kind of who she is and why
she's in the National Spotlight so
um I wrote an article basically what she
said on the
Joy read and hitting her time and in her
time article I wrote an article kind of
as a rebuttal to it over on my sub stack
over at police law newsletter on
substack I also went back and forth I
did a couple videos on on Tick Tock
about it but let me just address a
couple of the things she said because
what she said is just it's absolutely
ridiculous um this criticism of police
training is absolutely insane here's
wine please tell me in the in the
comments if you think that I'm wrong on
this or you think that the police
training should be something different
so the first thing she says is that she
was critical that of the training that
police officers yell stop resisting or
drop the gun after an officer involved
shooting so I'm gonna say it's
completely reasonable for police
officers to yell that now yelling stop
resisting or drop the gun drop the
weapon now after a use of force after an
officer involves shooting Noah of course
that is not the only time that police
officers should yell those things police
officers should give very clear commands
just like the officer did in the first
case that we talked about but please
don't officer should give very clear
commands to individuals if possible if
feasible before use of force before an
officer involved shooting they should
also do it after an officer involved
shooting and here's why so let's say
there's an officer involved shooting
where someone is armed with a gun so
once some an officer shoots someone they
are going to be injured almost
immediately the the the what should
shift in the police officer's mind is to
how do we get this person medical help
firefighters Emergency Medical Service
how do we get this person who's shot how
do we get them help as quickly as
possible so if an individual is still
armed with a gun or reaching for a gun
or still holding on to a gun that's not
a safe situation and essentially
firefighters paramedics EMS they're not
going to come into the scene until the
scene is safe also if an individual just
threatened a police officer with a gun
and the police officer had to shoot the
individual because of that it's
reasonable for the police officer to not
want to have to injure the person more
right so that makes complete sense so
giving commands of drop the gun stop
resisting drop drop the weapon after an
officer involved shooting just to tell
people like hey stop doing that so then
the police officers can make the scene
safe and get emergency medical personnel
on scene as quickly as possible so that
makes complete sense I don't understand
her criticism because think about it
this way let's say a police officer
didn't yell stop resisting and didn't
yell drop the gun didn't yell drop the
weapon and because the police officer
didn't yell that the individual just
kept grabbing at the weapon and you know
threatened the police officer again and
the police officer had to fire more
shots the first thing that these
anti-police activists would say is the
the officer never told the individual to
drop the gun how is the person supposed
to know that they're not supposed to
pick up a gun appointed a police officer
unless they're specifically told and
that is a little bit the bigotry of low
expectations but you see where I'm going
with this it's it's completely
reasonable for police officers to give
commands after an officer involved
shooting to make sure that the scene is
safe to get paramedics on scene to
render Aid it seems like that's a good
goal good training good policy for a
police officer to file follow and again
it's strange to indicate that that's
problematic in any way but please put
this put this in the in the uh comments
if you think that you know what she said
was was was reasonable uh let's see any
comments on that one no comments so uh
let's see no comments on that one so
let's talk about the other thing let's
talk about the other thing that um that
that Katie sponsor said she talked about
disparity of force this is essentially
what what she said is about is about
disparity of force and this is what I
mean by that so she criticized the
training that where she claims the
training was that because she was
smaller that she was justified to use
more Force quicker than a larger officer
well yes that's absolutely true that's
called disparity of force and let me
talk about some of the things what that
means with disparity of force that means
when there is a disparity a disparity a
difference between the offender or
someone the police are trying to get
into custody and the police officer here
are some some of the factors though this
is not an exhaustive list a list age sex
height weight whether or not the officer
or the individual is injured whether or
not they are intoxicated whether or not
they have access to weapons all of these
things are factors when it comes to
disparity of force and I'm going to
explain this I'm gonna do a little story
time I'm going to explain this in a way
where I'm gonna talk about some of the
people I graduated the police academy
with and it's that's the best way for me
to kind of put this into perspective so
here are some of the people that I
graduated the police officer with one
guy was six foot seven 22 years old and
he weighed over 200 pounds another guy
was able to bench press over 400 pounds
and he was also an amateur boxer and had
won fights all over the country we also
had a female who was 35 years old 411
100 pounds had never been in a fight in
her life just take those three people
let's say all three of those officers
are working on the street and they're
attacked by a 200 pound man would you
expect them to use the same level of
force to defend themselves of course not
I would expect that my 411 friend I
would expect her in order to try to to
thwart an attack by a 200 pound man
defend herself I would expect that she
would probably have to utilize a taser
or OC spray or maybe even deadly force
in order to stop someone from attacking
her who's twice her size now my friend
who benches 400 pounds I wouldn't
necessarily expect him to go to the
taser first thing my other friend who's
six foot seven in really good shape and
you know I wouldn't expect him either
because of his size so that's what I
mean by disparity now if you agree with
that just that basic principle it's a
reasonable principle to teach
um it's a reasonable uh uh it's a
reasonable principle to teach police
officers so also in the in the
department that I I worked for we also
had an individual who used to play on an
NFL team so again the difference between
him and someone who's you know 411 or
even someone who's you you know 5 10 150
pounds the difference of force that the
it they might have to use in a different
situation it's reasonable that that
could be different now that doesn't
still make it that Force has to be
objectively reasonable from a police
officer of course it does force has to
be objectively reasonable but this whole
concept of disparity of force that is a
reasonable concept that is taught a
reasonable principle that is taught to
own virtually all police officers during
use of force training not only on the
local and the state level but also on
the federal level so the idea that Katie
sponsler is going to criticize this
training and say that it's problematic
to me is absolutely insane curious what
your thoughts are art vandelay uh let's
see okay so I'm not sure what Art's
talking about uh let's see
um pork zombie pig if you get uh shot
pulling a gun on a cop it was reasonable
yeah I agree a hundred percent uh let's
see no other no other comments on this
case but yeah so that was just some of
the stuff based on on Katie sponsler so
you know I just want to say that you
know essentially there is an entire
industry of former law enforcement
officers who are given air time uh not
for their accomplishments or because
they did anything great while they were
a police officer but because they have a
willingness to criticize police for
anything despite all of the facts
there's an entire industry of this this
is essentially the anti-police
industrial complex it's one of those
things where if you're a former police
officer and you're willing all you have
to do to get famous to get on Joy read
is say hey I will come on and I will
disparage police no matter what they do
no matter what the facts have me on I'll
go ahead and do it that's the easiest
way for former police officers with a
mediocre career to get famous um I think
Katie sponsor is probably in that group
I did go back and forth so the article
that I wrote on this case um you know
basically doing a rebuttal of the things
that she said both in her Time magazine
article which I'll get to in a second
and also in the
um in their interview on Joy Reid the
article that I wrote I did tag Katie
sponsler on Twitter we did go back and
forth for a while um I eventually
stopped the conversation when she
refused to
um uh she refused to uh go back and
forth with me on the things that she
actually said and started talking about
the health problems of her kids as a
reason so I mean it I'll be honest it
got real strange but if you don't follow
me on Twitter that's a reason too so
there are definitely strange
conversations that happen there
um what she said about in her Time
magazine article I this is something I
also have a problem with so what
anti-police activists like to do is they
like to lump together all different
police officer-involved shootings they
want to lump them all together they want
to make it so the public can't tell the
difference between Tyree Nichols and
Brianna Taylor they want you to see all
of these police officer involved
shootings not look at the facts not look
at the evidence we're going to put them
all into the same group and that's what
Katie sponsler did at the end of her
Time magazine article she listed in in a
sentence about talking about problematic
police Behavior she listed Tyree Nichols
Brianna Taylor and George Floyd all in
the same sentence which is absolutely
insane because one of those three was
objectively reasonable even the Biden
Administration mayor Garland the
Attorney General of the United States
who is not necessarily Pro police even
he said this was a lawful reasonable
Justified officer-involved shooting of
Brianna Taylor so to kind of list that
in with other cases like George Floyd
and and Tyree Nichols which we agree are
not lawful actions by police officers
but this is exactly what anti-police
activists want to lump every
officer-involved shooting case together
to not have anyone look at the facts
they think that people are too stupid to
look at the facts and to just recognize
names and say this is a narrative this
must be true and they expect people to
be lazier then I hope they actually are
uh let's see
um
here we got some comments uh Breezy
Breezy says I could not be a police
officer uh we need the police my own
personal opinion uh yeah I know of
course of course we need of course we
need police officers we know what
happens when police officers pull back
that there are all kinds of communities
where the violence goes up all right the
next case that we're going to talk about
and this is cop sitting Atlanta and I
covered this a couple different times
but it's worth talking about again
because there were just a whole bunch of
arrests over at cop City in Atlanta now
what's cop City so cop city is
essentially a state-of-the-art police
training center just outside of Atlanta
so this is this is on
this is on
land that is owned by the city of
Atlanta Atlanta the city of Atlanta has
um has owned this for approximately a
hundred years or 85 years or something
like that
um and what they wanted to do is they
wanted to build something called cops
they didn't call cop City people who
don't like it called cop City it's
essentially a giant state-of-the-art
training program for police not just for
police but also for fire um it's going
to have a simulation a driving track for
police and fire to use a training
facility it's also going to have like a
pretend City so police officers and
firefighters can do different training
when it comes to hostage rescue and when
it comes to
simulating fires and and rescuing people
so
um this is just outside of Atlanta and
not just Atlanta police is going to be
able to use it seems like this is going
to be a complex for to to be able to be
used by Art Van DeLay So the cop City
wasn't the name that the city gave to it
this is people who Don don't like it
this is what they're this is what
they're doing
um James echo says the whole Atlanta
police training facility debacle is
crazy the protesters need to let it go
Atlanta police should uh fire they have
modern they have uh the police and fire
should have a modern trading center it
is because so think about it this way
anti-police activists they keep saying
we want better trained police we want
more educated police so then the city of
Atlanta says okay we're going to build
this state-of-the-art police training
center and what do they do they protest
they Riot they vandalize and they set
fires over there because here's the
reason here's the secret anti-police
activists do not want better police more
educated police what they want is to
abolish police so when these anti-police
activists when they criticize police
training and police equipment just
remember what they want to replace it
with nothing that's their goal is to
abolish police so what happened this
week is
um there was uh multiple people and
there's all kinds of video video there's
Drone footage there's body camera
footage multiple people came onto the
property of you we'll call it cop City
even though that's not what the city
calls it that's what the crazy people
call it or but I don't have a better
name for it so they all came onto the
property of cop City and essentially not
only were they vandalizing the area they
were setting a whole bunch of fires all
kinds of videos on Twitter and YouTube
you can see if all these fires that
they're setting all over the place
they're setting Machinery on fire
um it's absolutely crazy so police
officers went in they arrested 23 people
now here's what's interesting about them
not just that 23 people were arrested
what's interesting is that only a
handful of the 23 I think four of the
people were actually from Atlanta and
less than 10 were from Georgia so
essentially about 60 percent of the
individuals who were arrested weren't
even from Georgia not even from the
immediate area so essentially this is
just bringing this is an excuse for
Maniacs from all over the country to
riots that's what this is it's
absolutely disgusting behavior and again
you can't claim that you want better
police better trained police where there
are incidents where there's where the
training is going to help so there's
less incidents of officer-involved
shooting that's what my goal is that's
what I want I want there to be less
violence between citizens and police
that is my overarching goal with all of
this but that isn't the goal of the
anti-police activists otherwise they
would want police to have a good
Training Center so this is part of the
defund the police movement and it's
absolutely insane James echo says
destabilization James that is 100
correct this is what they want these
anti-police activists they want to
defund police and destabilize
communities this is their goal all right
uh let's see any other questions uh
let's see Breezy B says let them do
their jobs there'll be no issues comply
and buy yeah that's 100 correct and you
know Breezy breezy just what I want to
say and I say this all the time that if
you are wrong by a police officer if
they arrest you for something that you
didn't do there are Avenues to to
um there are Avenues to fight back there
are Avenues to challenge that and people
should absolutely use those Avenues you
can file a complaint with the police
department if your rights actually were
violated you will have a line of about a
hundred attorneys lining up to represent
you in a case because this is easy money
for attorney so and I mean if it's a
[ __ ] case and your rights really
weren't violated you're right you're
probably not going to give a whole lot
of attorneys interested in helping you
out because there's no money at the end
but if you truly had your rights
violated there are a hundred attorneys
who are going to be fighting each other
in order to take your case so and if
your rights were violated by a police
officer that is 100 absolutely what you
should do what you shouldn't do is fight
with a police officer on the street
where either the officer could get
injured or you could get killed that
seems like the most insane thing for
anyone to advocate for uh let's see any
other questions on that case
um yeah so that's that's the the cop
City case and um I mean again listen
it's going to take them a couple years
to build this thing and so this is just
going to keep happening there's going to
be more interactions between citizens
and police so I don't know if they need
to build a wall around it or or what but
um uh but it's absolutely crazy uh dg416
I see my old patch hang in there yes we
have a whole bunch of patches thank you
so much uh uh let's see Stephen file a
complaint for them to laugh in your face
uh okay I mean I mean it it depends so
if you file a complaint and they laugh
in your face you should record the
interaction put it on YouTube and you'll
be able to make your money back there so
why don't you go ahead and do that
um let's see
um pork zombie says they arrested people
at a concert a mile away let the locals
go and only arrested out of state people
okay I'm not sure what that's what that
is in reference to when police officers
arrest Mass groups of people I don't
know if they they automatically know
exactly who's from where that doesn't
make a whole lot of sense but um let's
talk about soft on crime policies
because really this is one of those
things that just overarching when it
comes to policing and and uh safety in
cities you know what the policies are
like that actually matters because bad
public policy has predictable results so
we're going to go back to San Francisco
for a little bit so if you remember what
San Francisco did is they did two things
it was a combination of bad law and bad
police policy so a city of San Francisco
um so the state of California a couple
years ago what they did is they made it
um anything in order for a shoplifting
to be a felony it had to be over a
thousand dollars so essentially anything
under a thousand dollars in the state of
California was considered a misdemeanor
and so most the time when you shoplift
especially from places like you know
Walgreens and stores like gas stations
it's not going to be over a thousand
dollars so that was the state law
anything
over a thousand dollars that's where the
lines of the felony then the city of San
Francisco came in and they they
basically added terrible policy onto
that terrible law what the city of San
Francisco did is they basically said
that police officers are not allowed to
arrest for misdemeanor so they can only
issue tickets so what that did is that
made it so that people were able to
steal from all kinds of stores and as
long as it was under a thousand dollars
they knew that there was no chance they
were going to go to jail now listen I'm
not saying that anyone who steals a pack
of Jolly Ranchers from Walgreens should
go to jail every single time but if you
steal two three four five hundred
dollars from a store you should at least
have in the back your mind like hey if I
get caught I could go to jail there's
some deterrence in that but if you know
hey worst case scenario if I'm caught by
the police all I'm going to do is get a
ticket no way I can go to jail what's
the incentive to stop it got so bad in
San Francisco that over 20 Walgreens
stores closed in San Francisco and they
the CEO of Walgreens cited retail theft
and that they it just wasn't viable
business option anymore because they
couldn't Not only was the retail theft
but you know because of this they
couldn't keep their employees and other
customers safe so that's what happened
in in San Francisco in the last couple
weeks Walmart has said that is leaving
Portland for the same reason retail
theft retail theft is so out of control
Portland because of the bad laws and
because of the bad policies for the
police department that essentially
Walmart is leaving the city of Portland
now I know what a lot of people say a
lot of people say well what is it what
does it matter screw Walmart the
community doesn't need Walmart well
listen that's a real privileged thing to
say and the reason is is because imagine
if you are low income or disabled or
elderly and that's where you get your
food that's where you get your groceries
that's where you get your medicine and
that's the only store that's in walking
distance yeah it matters that these
doors close so it's very privileged and
it's it's it's what I call what Rob
Henderson calls a luxury belief to be
able to think of these things and say
well who cares if if Walmart closes it
doesn't affect me without actually
thinking about the people that it does
affect and I want to talk about this
idea of luxury beliefs so luxury beliefs
essentially are ideas and opinions that
confer status on the upper class while
often inflicting costs on the lower
class what that means is defund the
police here's what I mean by that and
this the Walmart closing that's an
example of these luxury beliefs it's
basically being able to have these ideas
that I don't care if Walmart closes I
don't care we can go ahead and defund
the police but then so you can advocate
for these policies you know for social
for social credit but if these policies
are actually enacted you're not the ones
who's going to suffer the consequence
the people the the rich liberals who are
living behind behind walls and gated
security and private security those
aren't the ones who are going to suffer
the consequences because they have the
privilege to not live in an area where
they're afraid to go to the store after
dark and it's the poor people and lower
people on the socio-economic wrong
that's who are going to suffer the
consequences and that's why it is
extremely irritating when when stores
like this close because there are a lot
of people who don't have transportation
this is the only place that they could
possibly go they're the ones who are
going to be affected by this all right
uh James Echo San Francisco got a new
D.A after getting rid of D.A uh chesa
but Dwayne I can never say his name due
to the high retail theft yeah uh that's
100 correct yeah so not only did San
Francisco
um not only did San Francisco get a new
D.A but also the mayor of San Francisco
can't think of her name I think it might
be London breed off the top of my head
um but the mayor of San Francisco she
ran on a defund the police um nonsense
in 20 in in 2021 when she was elected
very shortly after
um being elected into office uh uh she
basically said that this is nonsense we
have to enforce the law so um so we got
the mayor who was basically saying we're
not going to let the city just be
Lawless and uh the D.A was voted out so
again so when I talk about these bad
policies soft on crime policies listen
if these are if it's just time to admit
that they made stake that they don't
work listen if these policies aren't
working in San Francisco and Portland
then just admit that they don't work and
let's move on all right uh James Echo uh
in California some suspects get to walk
even if they have a small warrant like a
five thousand dollars or less I've seen
it happen James it's absolutely crazy
that's absolutely nuts that that can
happen uh let's see
um any other our officers uh Basket Case
or officers supposed to shoot if they
themselves didn't see the threat don't
think so Utah case um well I mean it's
so baskets it's a it's a uh it's a a
totality of the circumstances so
typically police officers have to
justify every single round that comes
out of their gun so if a police if one
police officer yells gun gun gun that
has to go into it too so what you're
basically asking for is the other police
officers who are there they see that
someone is being uncooperative that's
seeing that someone is resisting arrest
they see another police officer saying
that this guy has a gun so in that case
if you expect a reasonable police
officer to not believe their partner to
think that their partner is lying okay
that'll be interesting but essentially
it's a totality of the circumstances
police officers do not have to wait
until they are being shot in the face
before they return fire all right uh
let's see any other questions on that
case Okay so the last case that I want
to talk about and this is kind of a
police case is um it's it's the Tucker
Carlson footage that has come out when
it comes to January 6 and really I just
want to ask a question first of all so
why are people mad why are people mad at
the footage being released by Tucker
Carlson is it because they're just mad
that he's releasing the footage or are
they mad at his opinion of the footage
so I'm curious what people think about
that but
um you know this did some of this
footage coming out this did bring up and
a lot of people have been talking and
not just on Twitter but it's been
covered on some national stories that
now more of this footage has been coming
out they've been talking more about the
Ashley Babbitt case and listen I'm not
going to say that the Ashley Babbitt
officer involves you shooting that she
was shot and killed on January 6. I'm
not saying that that was an unlawful
shooting I'm not saying the police
officer did anything wrong I'm not
saying that his actions were unlawful
I'm not saying that he violated policy
I'm not even going to say that he
violated training what I'm asking for is
that we apply the Babbitt standard for
all police officer-involved shootings
and what I mean by that is Ashley
Babbitt was an unarmed 120 pound female
she was not actively attacking anyone
but she was criminally trespassing she
was shot in the neck and killed by a
police officer there were no protests
there were no riots there were no
lawsuits no charges for the police
officers and no questions there was
blind trust in police to investigate
themselves so I just think we need to
apply that standard everywhere to every
single officer involved shooting that's
my stance on the Ashley Babbitt case
curious what other people think about
that all right so those are the cases
that I wanted to go through this week I
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there's a case so the Utah case that's
an example is the first one we covered
you know that's something I didn't
really even realize until someone sent
me a message about it asking me to look
at it so I have been looking at that the
last couple days but uh definitely a lot
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