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looks like we've got someone with a
great name Shaquille oatmeal hello and
Sergeant Georgia is look says he's the
back from he's watching from California
and I so so good morning Sergeant George
I just want to say something about
California so I've been this California
several times I've spent some time in
San Francisco with baseball games I've
been to Lake Tahoe but a couple weeks
ago I went to LA for the first time and
I know that they always say this and
Adam Carolla always complains about it
on on his different podcasts and I lived
in Chicago for 22 years so I'm used to
bad traffic I had never been in traffic
like on the 405 it was absolutely
terrible I'm not sure why anyone lives
in LA on purpose but so uh session
George hopefully you're not in LA
because that was that was awful but just
wanted to say hey to everyone let's see
Shaquille is from Dallas Texas and uh
let's see happy early precedence day
everyone absolutely uh let's see if we
have any other people in here I had an
officer lady Helix started us already I
had an officer tell me it's not illegal
to drive without your license I had my
wallet stolen is this true that's a
really good question lady Helix so
um the best way that I can answer this
is a lot of questions that it depends so
usually there's a couple different in in
so every state is going to have
different laws around this but in most
States there's actually going to be two
different laws that are applicable in a
situation like this so the first law is
that you have to have a valid driver's
license so whether your license is valid
it's suspended it's it's a revoked
driver's license so the status of your
driver's license that would be one state
statute the second state statute is
often having the physical card on you so
it's very possible that you have a valid
driver's license but not the actual card
on you that could be a violation to
however most of the time
if your license is valid but it was
stolen for a legitimate reason like
through no fault of your own and you are
stopped by a police officer you know a
lot of times if your license is stolen
you have a police reporter there's some
there's some evidence or some proof that
that's the case so as long as your
license is valid your normal and
reasonable to the police officer and you
explain hey my wallet was just stolen
here's the here's the proof of this I'm
actually on my way down right now to get
a new one you're probably not going to
get a ticket for it though I guess
anything is possible Right but um you
likely wouldn't get a ticket for that
though I guess technically not having
the physical card could technically be a
violation of the state statute uh Nick
voita we live in LA because of the
weather all right Nick uh yeah not today
I believe you uh Steve Ladner I love
watching uh Steve Ladner I love watching
your channel but I usually don't agree
with you Steve I love that you watch
because you and I go back and forth the
comments on videos that I post
throughout the week and um I I
appreciate the I appreciate the
back and forth that we have and it's
okay to not agree as long as we go back
and forth I think that is what the
interesting thing is all right so
um let's see hopefully I'll stay awake
because every time I see a falling
asleep
all right Sergeant George we'll try to
keep you we will try to keep you
interested today okay so the first story
that I'm going to talk about so this
comes out of Memphis Tennessee and you
know we spent a lot of time oh we've got
a uh looks like we have a super chat
from a vilified Freedom love the channel
God Bless America vilified Freedom thank
you so much for the Super Chat we really
appreciate the the the support
um thank you so much for loving the
channel God Bless America
um thank you so much for the Super Chat
really appreciate it vilified Freedom
all right so the we've talked a lot
about Memphis which is an important
thing to talk about we have to talk
about we have to talk about Memphis um
the The Tyree Nichols case you know as
these five officers who are charged with
murder as they as these cases proceeds
through the justice system and as it
goes through the different Personnel
hearings we're definitely going to talk
about all of that so that has to be the
main case in Memphis it is but it's not
the only thing that has happened
happened in the Memphis Police
Department recently that is worth
talking about so the first case I'm
going to talk about it's it's with uh
officer Jeffrey Redd so officer Jeffrey
red is a police officer
in Memphis he's been on the force since
2008 before that he was in in the Marine
Corps so what what happened on this case
is on uh earlier on February 2nd of this
year there was a call for service in
Memphis he was at a private business the
caller called in said that someone was
on the property and that they they were
trespassing so they called police
officers so officer red and his partner
went to the call for service while they
were on the call for service um they
found the individual who was trespassing
they made contact with him by the time
they contacted with him he was actually
at a library once they made contact with
the individual he pulled out a gun and
he shot officer red officer red suffered
serious injuries at that time
appropriately and predictably the the
partner of Officer red was able to pull
out pull out his firearm and he shot and
he killed he killed the bad guy who died
on scene officer red did have and
suffered from serious injuries um
tragically he passed away on 218
um he did die serving his community
um serving his community bravely and you
know because of everything else that's
been going on in Memphis that again I
know we had to talk about it was the
most important story The Tyree nickel
story but this story really hasn't made
too much national news
um because of what happened in Memphis
so I just wanted to give um show some
support for the officers who are still
there hanging around in Memphis and um
uh just just to note that officer red
did did pass away he was serving his
community bravely and hope that he rests
in peace next case that we're going to
talk about and this has been on the news
the last couple days it actually
happened in Florida and Orange County
Florida and this case is absolutely
crazy so
Orange County deputies um they were on
scene at a at a homicide this was a
homicide of a 38 year old woman named
Natasha Austin Natasha Augustine so 38
year old female
um she was she she was shot to death on
scene police officers were there they
were on scene they did all the crime
scene stuff and they started to
investigate that case you know well as
what happens normally when there is a
major crime that occurs the media shows
up so the the media came and the the
media was there for the particular case
about five hours after um the police had
cleared the scene uh the the police had
cleared the scene and um
it was no longer an active crime scene
but there was still a news crew that was
there on scene well what happened is is
that the offender
um actually went back to the scene and
as the news crew was uh seated uh as the
news crew was seated in their news van
still on scene the offender came back on
scene and he shot a reporter and the
cameraman who were sitting in their car
uh the cameraman did have some injuries
but he survived however the reporter a
24 year old named Dylan Lyons he did
pass away after that the offender he
went over to a random residence and he
shot a mother and her nine-year-old
daughter the nine-year-old daughter's
name nine-year-old girl's name is Tiana
major and she tragically lost her life
and she uh she she tragically lost lost
her life as well
um let's see uh we do have a Facebook
post about this um uh let's see uh Jesse
Weldon commented I lost one of my best
friends Dylan yesterday a I was shot and
now I've had surgery and I'm okay thank
you all for the well well wishes I
haven't had my phone uh until now I'm
sorry I have been able to respond to
most of you I'm truly very lucky to be
alive um so that that was a comment from
the from the cameraman but the 24 year
old reporter Dylan Lyons did tragically
lose his life so did the nine-year-old
girl the nine-year-old girl's mother who
was shot and injured but she will uh
survive
um
and uh you know I should just note that
you know being in the news business it
it is dangerous especially when you come
up on these scenes because you don't
have security and protection this is
actually the second news team to be
killed at a at a scene in the last
decade um so this this does occur from
time to time it's absolutely tragic and
I'm not going to say the name of the
offender right now but um I should just
note a couple things about him so he is
a 19 year old offender who did this um
who who killed these people and injured
several more at 19 years old can anybody
guess what his criminal history is so in
19 years old he has been arrested and
charged with eight different felonies
and 11 different misdemeanor crimes so
some of the things that he's been
charged with in the past are possession
of a firearm by a minor in armed robbery
so it's it's one of those things where
you know this is someone at 19 years old
they've committed all these crimes
they've been arrested all this time the
idea that this is the kind of person
who's going to keep escalating Community
crime it seems like a very predictable
thing so I just want to put that out
there that this is someone who has a
very violent history has been arrested a
lot of times and seemed like the police
officers have been charging him and
arresting him throughout the years even
though he's so young but it's the
criminal justice system that is falling
apart and really failing the families of
these victims uh let's see if we have
any if we have any other any other
comments on this case uh Shaquille
O'Neal says this case is crazy yet very
sad prayers to the family absolutely
Sergeant George that makes you wonder if
there's any gang affiliation on the part
of the 19 year old yes Sergeant George
good question so there was uh there have
been reports um in in the news the local
news media has said that he was he was a
gang member uh Randy says Randy Piedmont
uh do you have any updates on the
lawsuit uh officer Darian Jarrett's
family has brought to them against HSI
and nmsp uh so let's see so I don't have
any off top my head though we will put
that in there for uh in there for next
week all I know is that that lawsuit is
currently in federal court and at least
as far as I know
um at least as far cars at least as far
as I know we don't know exactly what's
happening with it though I should say
because this happened in New Mexico so a
little more information on this so the
lawyer for Darian Jarrett's uh uh uh
officer Jarrett's um uh family
um has been I'm appointed to the
district attorney in in Bernalillo
County in New Mexico so the attorney for
the family is now a is now a um
is now a D.A so we'll see who's going to
take over that case but as far as we
know it's still in federal court as soon
as we get any updates on it um so it
seems like his uh his wife will take the
case over so it looks like the the
attorney's wife is going to take that
case over uh she's actually a partner in
the law firm so it should say with the
same Law Firm but we will let you know
what that happens uh let's see uh
officer blue gun says why didn't he
follow the gun laws that's a good point
and this is the line that I say in
almost every single show officer blue
gun you know what I'm about to say it
almost seems like the people who are
going to violate our murder laws aren't
going to follow our gun control laws
that's kind of shocking this shouldn't
be surprising and you know I get into
this I get to this debate a lot a lot of
the time with people and I was actually
going through it you know some cases on
on my Tick Tock Channel going back and
forth with people this week I'm going to
talk to you okay what are we going to do
about this gun problem about the
violence problem and and again I just
keep coming back too so yes the idea
that if you just make more gun laws that
people are going to follow those and
that's going to reduce violence I don't
think that's the case the most violent
cities in the country Washington D.C
Chicago New York for many years and
decades they had the strictest gun laws
yet the most gun violence so so if
there's any evidence out there that more
gun laws are somehow going to help the
violence problem yes I disagree but I'm
willing to have the conversation put the
evidence out there and let's see what
actually works it just seems like going
trying to do things when it comes to
mental health with people who we know
have mental health a serious dangerous
mental health issues not everyone who's
mentally ill but people who have these
these mental health issues and they've
proven to be dangerous and also
individuals who have committed crimes
with guns so it's just crazy to me that
there are a lot of people out there who
think that we need to punish everyone
who has a gun or make it more difficult
for everyone to get guns but then when
we actually have someone who commits a
crime with a gun well we kind of want to
go easy on them because of equity so to
me that doesn't make a whole lot of
sense that the effort should be 99 of
the effort should be towards people who
are committing the gun crime not to
everyone in theory out there who wants
to own a gun for self-protection but
again I could I could be I could be
wrong on this and um I I would
definitely like to see some evidence
research trust the science and looking
at something from the other side so if
there is any study or anything out there
that you would like me to read because
you think differently I'd be more than
happy to do it I'm 100 open-minded uh
let's see uh the maxo says it's really
sad even if you were to put a stop to
um all Firearms manufacturing it
wouldn't do much because there's still a
ton of Black Market ones out there yeah
that's a really good point the the maxo
Because if you think about it it's like
you know right now
there are approximately 400 million guns
in the United States so 400 million guns
are in the hands of 100 million people
those are the ones that we know about
and that's not including police and and
the military so you know how many guns
are out there are there are there half a
billion guns out there so even if you
stopped manufacturing new guns today we
have you know four to five hundred
million guns out there uh so that
doesn't make any sense vilified Freedom
says we're living in crazy times our
officers need our support now more than
ever I agree with you 100 and we're
going to get to a story vilified Freedom
here in a second where we uh actually
the next story where we address that
specifically uh vilified Freedom Step
One is making sure uh US legal gun
owners have our Firearms secured most of
these guns are stolen gun safes are a
must I agree with you there I think it's
very important to have firearms locked
up that makes complete sense that Chet
says there's trillions there could be
trillions of guns who knows but there's
there's uh probably half a billion guns
um but again we don't know how many
there are exactly all right so the next
case that I that I I want to talk about
so this happened in in Texas but in
Austin Texas so I mean this is just this
is just in this case is just infuriating
to me and I know you've seen it um a
couple times so we're going to call this
case Keep Austin Weird
um so this was a street race last
weekend in Austin and essentially these
Street Racers it's not what you might
think about you know if you especially
if you're from a for all a small time
small town or even for me growing up on
the south side of Chicago where um you
know a bunch of the Polish guys and
girls would would show up on the street
and race their race their cars on the
weekends there would be like 10 of them
and there'd be like you know maybe 100
people watching different parking lots
of Dunkin Donuts and stuff like that
that's not what this was this was a
street race that literally took over
entire intersections with hundreds of
people in Austin Texas they took over
these intersections police did try to
come and they weren't successful and
here's the thing I don't blame the
police at all the individual police
officers I'm not blaming them because
the management the police leader
leadership in order to get to a
situation like this is is far higher
than any individual police officer who's
out there risking their lives trying to
make the streets a little bit safer but
there's a lot of videos out there of the
police cars being swarmed of an
individual one police car just being
swarmed by a hundred people these people
were shooting fireworks at police cars
there was at least one officer who was
injured they were banging and beating on
police cars and the worst video footage
that I saw about this as police officers
retreating going backwards in their car
and I know that we don't want them to
plow through the plow through a group
group of people I get that we don't want
that but think about it if your car is
swarmed by a hundred different people as
a police officer anybody in the vehicle
you probably can't see where you're
going so really going backwards you know
it's likely almost as dangerous as going
forwards because you can't see who's
around who's behind if they're swarming
your car and it just every time I see a
police officer Retreat it just makes me
cringe I mean because what it tells me
me is that we are literally letting the
mob
just rule over everything and giving
into mob rule allowing the mob to push
back police officers and make them
Retreat is just a terrible precedent to
set because if the mob can push police
officers back and they can take over an
intersection what's going to prevent
them from taking over a private business
or private residence not much and it
isn't surprising that this happened in
Austin Texas so back in 2020 there was
the Austin city council voted to defund
the police department and I know that a
lot of people saying like defund the
police that was just a slogan it
actually didn't happen well it did
defund the police didn't happen
everywhere but defund the police
happened in a lot of places defund the
police in Austin in 2020 they defund the
police by 150 million dollars money that
they took from the police budget which
is actually a third of the police budget
that they took away from the Austin
Police Department so it's no surprise
that that happened um and that happened
in in a place like that yeah that so
that that happen if there's no surprise
that that happened in a place like that
yeah I just want to say that you know we
would really like Matthew
McConaughey to play the drums naked
while high on uh well hi on on police
reports and we don't want to see these
kinds of cases a lot more interesting
things that can actually happen in
Austin
um so yeah so again it's it's in the
idea that a lot of these communities
want police to be defunded and don't
want police like that actually isn't the
case so around the time that black and I
the reason why I use this poll there's
not a lot of polls that I trust but I do
trust pupils and Gallup polls I think
they're probably the most accurate polls
out there so what Gallup did is Gallup
went to Summer of 2020 the summer of
violence you know just a couple months
after George Floyd and what happened was
and what happened in in in this case in
this poll was they went to the
African-American community and they
pulled people and they asked a question
they said do you want more police less
police or the same amount of police
presence
um in your community African Americans
81 of them this is in the height of 2020
when Citizen Police relations were as
strained or at the lowest level almost
that they've been in my entire lifetime
and and they said that 81 percent of
African Americans either wanted the same
level of police presence or more police
presence so it it it it's very obvious
that we don't want less police presence
we people don't want police to be
defunded now that doesn't mean that they
want any police presence no people want
good police presence they want
constitutional police presence
constitutional police officers who are
going to respect the laws people's
rights and are going to work with the
community to solve their problems which
is the kind of policing that everyone
deserves
um so yeah so watch some of these videos
in Austin it's absolutely insane um like
I said I cringe every time I see police
officers Retreats oh Secret Agent Man
says abolish qualified immunity and
absolute immunity Secret Agent Man I
have to do this every couple weeks and
um I'm gonna push back on you so getting
rid of qualified immunity we're gonna do
this quick because I've done this a
bunch of times but getting rid of
qualified immunity my big point on this
is that it literally won't do anything
so qualified immunity protects police
officers from civil lawsuits unless they
have violated clearly established rights
so what that means is the bad cases the
George Floyd cases the Walter Scott
cases the cases that all of us agree
these are bad this is horrible criminal
Behavior by police officers they do not
get qualified immunity so a lot of
people said well qualified immune if we
get rid of it's going to stop all these
bad incense well it's not because again
you have to qualify for this and you if
you violate clearly established rights
then you absolutely aren't going to get
qualified immunity and let me just put
it this way so I'm going to list a
couple things all right so here if
police officers act poorly or commit a
crime while on duty here are some of the
consequences and you think about which
one is the most severe so the first the
first thing that could happen is you may
not get qualified immunity and you may
have to pay a five thousand dollar fine
in a lot of states that have gotten rid
of qualified media in the state level
it's a low level it's like five five to
twenty thousand dollars so that's the
worst case scenario so bad police
Behavior if you don't have qualified
immunity you're going to have a five
thousand dollar fine okay the next
consequence that you're fired from your
job and you lose your pension all right
that seems worse than five thousand
dollars considering a police pension
could be worth a couple million dollars
and the third consequence of bad and
legal Place behavior is you end up in
prison for 20 years so I guess what I'm
saying is bad in illegal Place Behavior
you already have these bad consequences
for cops they could go to prison for 20
years they could lose their career and
their pension which is millions of
dollars dollars and the very last thing
on there is a qualified immunity not
having qualified immunity being fined
five thousand dollars so my point is the
idea that somehow getting rid of
qualified immunity is going to change
otherwise bad acting cops is just a
ridiculous thing and all it says to me
is that you truly don't understand this
also one last thing if you get rid of
qualified immunity police unions are
going to contract with insurance
companies and and the thing is in these
states where they've gotten rid of
qualified Immunity on the state level
police unions have already contracted
with insurance companies so the police
officers still aren't going to pay these
things they are going to be Insurance
payouts like medical malpractice which
is fine I'm actually okay with that
model because I think that's going to
actually protect police officers more so
now if a police officer [ __ ] up it's
not going to be up to a judge whether
they get qualified immunity it's just
all going to be covered by the insurance
premium and because police officers are
it's really hard to recruit and retain
police officers Houston right now is
down 600 cops Seattle can't recruit
police officers even though they have a
thirty thousand dollar sign on bonus it
is so difficult to recruit and retain
good reasonable and educated and ethical
police officers that what's going to
happen is these states that get rid of
qualified immunity and police officers
have to get the insurance premium either
the police departments in order to
retain police officers either they're
going to just pay these insurance
premiums or they're going to give cops a
raise in order in order to pay the
premium so the again so the idea the
premise that getting rid of qualified
immunity is going to change anything we
can have a debate about whether it
should be that we should get rid of it
fine I'm happy to have that debate but
the suggestion that it's going to change
anything comes from a place of ignorance
and it's absolutely ridiculous all right
Sergeant George says this is literally
uh the new meaning to the phrase inmates
are running the Asylum absolutely uh
let's see
um
Jedi mind uh let's see uh Steve says uh
people gave police the trust and respect
to do their jobs and they have lost it
by their own actions I I mean Steve I I
guess so you know I I kind of say this I
kind of vilify Freedom exactly thank you
thank you vilified Freedom so I kind of
say the same thing all the time Steve so
so I mean it's you know there are 800
000 police officers in the United States
if you watch 10 videos a day of police
officers doing something stupid or
something illegal all of us can agree
again I'm going to agree with you and
say yeah the cops shouldn't have done
that that officer was stupid yes that
that officer involved shooting wasn't
lawful and reasonable the officer should
probably be prosecuted and fired so all
of the the situations that you give I'm
probably going to agree with you on but
what I'm gonna say is yeah but today in
the United States the police officers
went took had a total of 750 000 calls
for service okay so there were two three
four ten a hundred out of 750 000 no I'm
not saying saying that 10 is okay or 100
is okay and you know those should be
dealt with it on the administrative
level and also if a police officer
commits a crime as I say all the time
that police officer should be prosecuted
what I'm saying is that statistically it
is unbelievably rare so I think that we
should be able to have an honest
discussion that yes when we say see bad
police Behavior we should be able to
call it out and I'm happy to be honest
about it on my Tick Tock and on my sub
stack about half of the Articles and the
things I say are on are examples of
police officers not doing the right
thing or doing something that's unlawful
illegal or you know really should be out
of policy when it comes to use of force
but in that same conversation we also
have to say that yeah but it's it's it
still acknowledged the like the reality
and the context that you know it's 10
out of 750 000 so it's points zero zero
zero zero one percent of the time yeah
let's call that out but to not
acknowledge that like not well over
99.99 of the time this isn't the case
when police officers have contact with
the public like I think it's just
dishonest to not acknowledge that uh
let's see uh let's see uh Chet says uh
band Californians uh let's see any other
questions here uh Josh H am into that
chat uh as long as uh I ship as long as
they go by the laws they the cops will
not need it um yeah no I agree I ship
that's great that you you're 100 correct
um well I so so I'm gonna push back a
little bit there so they don't need it
so I I'm gonna I'm gonna argue that I
ship that if police follow the laws
that's when they need qualified immunity
because anyone can file a lawsuit it's
not like a police officer does something
it's correct they follow the law it's on
video we can all sit here as reasonable
people and agree hey the cops didn't do
anything wrong that doesn't bar someone
from filing a lawsuit so someone can
still go ahead and file a lawsuit and
then it's at that point that there could
be that qualified immunity comes in so
really you know it's really only for
police officers who do not violate
clearly established laws if police do
violate clearly established laws we're
all going to agree the cops should be
punished and they don't get qualified
immunity anyway so it's kind of a moot
point all right uh California needs to
go bye-bye uh okay all right so that
that's just what I want to say about the
about that Austin case watch some of
that video I do have a video of it up on
on a couple of my a couple of my
channels but it's absolutely crazy again
I cringe every time I see police
officers every time I see police
officers um Retreat from a scene next
case I want to talk about it's so I'm
sure everyone's been following the Alec
and Burdock case listen even if you
don't want to follow the Alec Murdock
case you can't watch local news national
news your Facebook feed you can't really
check anything without seeing something
about Alec Murdoch so I don't really do
a whole lot of True Crime here even
though I think it's interesting and
that's most of the TV that I watch is uh
with with my wife is is true crying
stuff dateline in 48 hours but um you
know I don't really talk about a whole
lot of True Crime stuff here but there
was one interesting thing about this
Alec Murdock case that I want to talk
about so he actually took the stand and
everyone knows he's the guy in the
attorney in South Carolina where his
family has basically run this city for
for
um uh decades really I think like three
generations of murdochs have pretty much
run this city um his son who was killed
who his name is Paul but for some reason
he calls him Papa was involved in a
boating crash a couple years ago he was
driving reckless drunk out of his mind
mind and uh he did he did kill a he did
kill one of his friends girlfriends uh
she was 19 at the time
and um you know it it essentially uh
Paul and Maggie the wife were killed
later
um Paul and the wife were killed Maggie
the wife were killed um Alex Murdoch is
charged with that you know he's admitted
to having uh an addiction to
prescription pills and he now he's it
looks like he's stealing all kinds of
he's even admitted to it to stealing all
kinds of client money
um anything so the thing about this is
is that yes this case is obviously
um important and it said he admitted to
doing 2 000 milligrams of hydrocodone a
day which is absolutely a crazy amount
of hydrocodone to do um and he said that
he had this prescription pill this
addiction to opiates um for the last
couple decades so um you know this case
so let's say this case he was never
charged with murder all of the financial
crimes the millions of dollars of
financial crimes I'm pretty sure he's
look I mean this guy's like you know
he's probably about 60 years old Murdoch
I don't know how old he's in his 50s or
60s
um he's looking at decades in prison
just from the financial crimes so let's
say something happens with this uh this
criminal case is homicide even if he's a
hung jury and they don't retry him or
he's found not guilty
um even if that's the case which I don't
think will happen but even if that's the
case I mean he's looking at decades in
prison for the financial crimes so he's
not going um he's not going to get out
anytime soon so in a case like that
which is really a circumstantial case it
makes sense it makes sense that he would
testify one he's an attorney and he
doesn't want to keep his mouth shut so
um even if it was against the advice of
his attorneys he really doesn't have
anything to lose it's almost always a
bad idea for a defendant to testify but
it's a Hail Mary pass he had to take the
chance because again whether or not he's
found guilty he's going to do decades in
prison so we all knew that Alec murdaugh
was going to testify and he did and what
I think was interesting about this and
you can go ahead and watch a video on
this
um on this but you know it's I'm not I
don't know that much about body language
stuff but you know I have listened to a
couple experts and they've talked about
it in a couple of the psychology and law
classes that I took let's see if
vilified Freedom gotta run keep up the
good work God bless we all needed vilify
Freedom thank you so much for the Super
Chat really appreciate that again thank
you for all of the good questions today
and comments vilified Freedom uh thank
you again we really appreciate the
support
um so Alec Murdoch so you know I but in
some of the law and psychology classes
that I have
that I have taken it um it it's really
strange to to see a couple of these
things
um it's it's really strange to see a
couple of these things that we saw um in
this case did did we get another one
I was uh 737 fa uh send us a Super Chat
as well thank you so much for that um
there's no there's no comment with it um
but we really we really really uh uh uh
appreciate that um uh we we keep the
lights on for Super Chat so again thank
you so much for the support we really
appreciate appreciated I was a 737 fa
thank you so much um but if you look at
Alec murdaugh what he was doing
um as he was so they asked him a couple
questions they asked him a question you
know if he killed his son and then if he
killed his wife and both times he was
saying no he was saying no that he
didn't denying it but he was shaking his
head yes which is absolutely strange so
when you look at just very basic level
body language stuff from body language
experts you know it's one of the
Telltale and obvious signs that
someone's being deceptive is when
they're saying no but they're shaking
their head yes and if you look at it
both times that he gave those answers
saying no he was shaking his head yes
the whole time as he was saying that was
something that that I noticed what his
testimony which I thought was I thought
was was pretty strange um so you know
and one of the ridiculous things also uh
also about one of the ridiculous things
about this case is that so the main
thing comes down to so Maggie and the
son pawpaw were killed at these dog
kennels well you know during his
interviews with police officers Murdoch
had said over multiple interviews over
multiple different months that he was
never at the dog kennels that he just
never went down to the dog kennels well
he finally admitted that he actually was
down at the dog kennels so
that he actually was um down at the dog
kennels he he was there he admitted to
being there
um Chet and uh thank you for the super
chat chat yes thank you
um that he admitted that he was down at
the dog kennels and um so they said well
why didn't you tell police officers that
why didn't you tell police you were
there why did you lie and here's the
reason he gave to lie it's a lying and
it's absolutely ridiculous Murdoch said
that the reason he lied was because he
was afraid of the police he was
intimidated by the police now again this
is a guy whose family basically runs the
DA's office and the police department
um when his son Papa was involved in
that boating crash when his son was
involved in that boating crash driving
driving the boat operating the boat in a
reckless man or drunk out of a drunk out
of his mind
um and he killed a 19 year old girl
during that there were no field sobriety
tests that happened afterwards there
there was no chemical test or forced
chemical test through a warrant he
wasn't immediately arrested like any of
us would have been so the idea that
there isn't so it is unbelievable
privilege that the Murdoch family has
and to claim that he was afraid of
police is absolutely ridiculous listen
Murdoch and most other people who say
that the reason that they did something
or committed a crime is because they're
afraid of police they're not afraid of
police they're afraid of the
consequences and that's what's extremely
irritating about this hopefully the jury
sees through this [ __ ] uh Sergeant
George let's see a huge shout out to uh
uh Titania for covering the Alex Murda
trial on her trial okay all right
um uh I was the 737 fa he needs to be
locked away from us I agree a hundred
percent Steve Ladner says how are gun
laws deemed to be constitutional uh
that's that's a good question we could
do an entire episode on that um but
Steve some gun laws are found to be not
constitutional so as I said earlier in
the show I grew up in Chicago I lived
there till I was 22. the entire time
that I lived in Chicago so me and my
family because we lived in the city
limits we were not allowed to own a
firearm so that was the law so that was
eventually challenged New York had a
similar law right so since I've since
2005 since I moved from Chicago
um the Supreme Court has said that those
laws actually are not constitutional so
sometimes gun laws aren't constitutional
if they get challenged and the court
hears that they're able to find that
because now you can own a firearm in
Chicago and in New York City which
wasn't the case when I grew up in the
80s 90s and early 2000s okay uh the next
case that I want to talk about and this
is the case we've talked about a whole
bunch of times but there is a some there
is a little bit of an update so it was
the most important case from 2022 it was
the Uvalde case everyone remembers
Uvalde what a [ __ ] show that was how it
was just an awful horrible response by
the police officers there were 376
police officers that arrived unseen from
the time they arrived on scene took 77
minutes for them to storm the classroom
and kill the bad guy who was shooting
kids and teachers 19 students and two
teachers were killed and 17 more were
injured uh the Texas Department of
Public Safety put all the blame
essentially even though they had
officers there I'm saying essentially
put all the blame on the chief of police
of the Uvalde School District now the
city of Uvalde Uvalde School District
police chief Pete Arredondo slip repeat
they pretty much put all of the blame on
Pete Arredondo Pete pushed back through
his attorney and through a whole bunch
of things
um is is that um Pete pushed back and he
said hey I was one of the first to
respond when I got there on scene I I
was who knows what he was doing he
didn't have his bulletproof vest on but
Pete said I got to on scene I literally
ran into the school as fast as I
possibly could and so I was acting as a
first responder I wasn't acting as a
chief of police or managing the scene I
was in the fight I was literally outside
the door which is obviously problematic
with what happened outside the door but
that argument from Pete Arredondo like I
could kind of see it because you have to
think about it like this okay so you're
gonna you have literally 376 police
officers descending on the scene from 10
20 different agencies both local County
state and federal so if someone is going
to manage that scene would you have
someone who is inside the building at
the front door inside the building like
while there's gunfire going on should
that person be the one managing the
scene coordinating resources and doing
all of the seven critical tasks that
police managers are supposed to do I
would say no I would say absolutely not
but the problem is is that even though
that's what Pete Arredondo thought he
never communicated that and no one on
the outside perimeter ever said I'm The
Incident Commander now when you're
establishing an inner perimeter and
Outer Perimeter securing all the
communications when you're talking about
trying to get other resources there
establishing a command center and a zone
for the media
um having someone say and be The
Incident Commander is that's the first
step in all of that so no one took
charge yes it's on Pete Arredondo it's
on all of the Command Staff who were
there I've said that consistently all of
the command staff were absolutely
terrible because no one established
themselves as a leader another problem
on a technical level which again goes
back to leadership and also through
funding so leadership from the city
council and politicians is that none of
the radios talk to each other so the the
city of Uvalde police the the border
patrol the state police the the the
Texas Rangers the Uvalde School place
none of their radios were on the same
frequency so they couldn't talk to each
other they had to use cell phones to
call each other I mean so it's
absolutely crazy it was a mess but um so
Pete Arredondo was fired from the Uvalde
uh he was fired as the chief of police
from the Uvalde United school district
which is reasonable we all kind of
expected him to be fired and he was
fired uh back in August of uh 2022. um
so the way they do it in Texas is and
obviously challenged the firing so you
know he just like any other state
employee City employee government
employee he does have the option to
challenge it it goes like a Labor
Relations Board
um so he did challenge that through an
attorney and again
um what I think is defensible from Peter
Redondo is his actions just like all the
police officers who were outside of the
room not entering while this guy was
shooting kids or while kids were
literally injured and dying there's no
excuse for that they should all be
terminated there's no question about
that but the idea that he was supposed
to be the manager of the whole situation
from inside I get his argument on that
that's a little silly right so um I
think we can separate it that yes he has
he did enough fault to definitely be
fired but yeah we shouldn't blame him
for not being the manager because again
no other no other critical incident is
someone who's inside you know hope not
he wasn't but in the gunfight
um they are not expected to be the
police manager who should be outside the
scene kind of looking at everything not
inside we have no idea what's going on
outside so I hope I hope I made that
clear the way they do it in in Texas is
when you're terminated this board can
decide like essentially it's kind of
like the military like how you are
discharged from from your job as being a
police chief so they do it as honorable
dishonorable in general so um a search
through his Personnel files found that
after this hearing and no one from the
commission would come on and do any kind
of an interview but but it basically
said that there was after his appeal all
of his paperwork essentially there's no
mention of it being a dishonorable on
his record so in theory he can apply for
another chief job in Texas now even
though that's the case he can obviously
even if he does no one is going to hire
him right but um it did not go down as a
uh it did not go down as a dishonorable
um it did not go down into anything uh
dishonorable for the reason that he was
fired uh Shaquille O'Neal Pete Dodge
press conferences and Council meetings
he was wrong Shaquille O'Neal you are
100 and yeah and absolutely so he was
actually set to be sworn in as a city
councilor if you remember that he
actually won a ceiling city council he
missed a bunch of Council meetings so he
was basically um off the council as well
yeah he made all kinds of errors and
like I said I think it's reasonable to
say anything he did inside was terrible
was awful and um he should 100 be fired
for that that should be dishonorable but
again the argument that he should have
been The Incident Commander from inside
the building literally makes no sense
um based on all police training and
practice
um doesn't make any sense now the fact
that he didn't communicate that that's
problematic right so he should have said
hey yeah I'm the police chief but [ __ ]
I'm in this thing I'm inside so you need
to set you need to have someone from
Texas DPS Uvalde City some other
Commander needs to be the IC I'm going
to be in here as a first responder um so
he never said that he never went through
with that um so again there's a lot to
criticize the Peter Redondo he should
have been fired it should be
dishonorable um but I just kind of
wanted to make that distinction a little
bit officer blue gun captain of the ship
has to uh find his way to the helm
absolutely and he did not in this
particular case uh Shaquille O'Neal they
were right to fire his butt they were a
hundred percent Sergeant George says
coming from someone who was once a
Detroit SWAT team officer uh coming up
with a game plan for how to enter the
building is a huge must um to help with
Peter Redondo agree and again uh
Sergeant George and everyone else he
should have been fired um his actions
were horrible and the the termination
should be considered dishonorable though
even though
um uh even though it's it's even though
it's not
um uh even though it's not
um it would be very very very difficult
for him to for him to be um ever be
hired again I really don't I really
don't think that would be the case
um all right so that was that case
you've all all day we've talked a lot
about that you know again he'll never
apply or get another job but um but yeah
that's that's it um there's been also a
lot of talk about the Alec Baldwin case
I always Alex Baldwin cases so it's such
an interesting legal case so
um on the Alec Baldwin case there's been
some information I just wanted to clear
up where some of the charges have been
dismissed that's what they're reporting
and yeah that's kind of true so here's
what happened everybody knows the facts
of the case of the Alec Baldwin case
where he didn't pull the he didn't pull
the trigger on the magic gun that killed
Helena Hutchins and um injured the the
director Joel Joel Souza but um some of
the charges were dropped so here's what
happened so Alec Baldwin was charged
with Alec Baldwin and the armor from
rust were charged with
um uh involuntary manslaughter which in
New Mexico carries a penalty of up to 18
months
um but the prosecutor not only charged
them with involuntary manslaughter but
the prosecutor also charged them with a
firearm enhancement essentially
involuntary manslaughter water if you
use a firearm instead of that 18 months
per the law that can be increased to
five years so that's what he was that's
what he was looking for um the the
district attorney Mary Carmack altwise
understood the concerns of the film
armorer
um uh hand a sloppy handling of the of
the Firearms um so so basically there is
so um the judge allowed for Goodyear's
Reid to have a firearm at home for
self-defense as a part of her conditions
of release that was the armorer however
she can't talk to any other Witnesses um
must not consume alcohol just those are
some of the some of the some of the
conditions of of release um so again so
they they were both charged with the
voluntary manslaughter maximum penalty
of 18 months New Mexico has this firearm
enhancement which says the involuntary
manslaughter with a firearm you have a
penalty of five years in prison so a lot
of states have these enhancements a lot
of times there's an enhancement for um
if it's if it's considered a hate crime
also um a lot of states have these
enhancements if it's a if it's a crash
let's say it's a vehicular homicide
crash if the person is drunk DUI a lot
of times there's a drunk driving
enhancement so you know you get enhanced
punishments if you do something that's a
little more malicious well that's the
case here in New Mexico but here's the
problem that law that firearm
enhancement law it actually didn't go
into effect until after the shooting on
the rust scene happened so how the
prosecutor missed that I'm not I don't
have any idea how the prosecutor missed
that but the firearm enhancement was
dismissed as it should have been because
it wasn't the law at the time and I mean
that's how this works you can't have
something that happens and then
lawmakers afterwards they set in a whole
bunch of laws then you retroactively
apply them again not how the law works
it's what the law was at the time of the
incident right so um the firearm
enhancement being dismissed was the
appropriate thing it was an oversight by
the D.A somehow
um even though they took like nine
months to investigate this into file
charges not sure how they missed that
but that is that that was dismissed Alec
Baldwin is looking at 18 months in
prison maximum um if he is if he is um
uh convicted uh in the last case I'm
gonna talk about a little bit of a
teaser because this is a complicated
case
um really interesting case there's a lot
to it so I'm gonna kind of give a teaser
um and I want everyone to kind of think
about it and then you know maybe have
some questions for next week because I'm
going to go into a deep dive next week
so this is the case that happened um
this past week in Washington DC so the
long story short is that there was an
assault call police officers got there
they contacted the victim of the assault
they were given a description of the
offender
um police officer contact someone who
you know doesn't really match the
description but someone who's in the
area police officer contacts the
individual who's actually a passenger in
a vehicle um the individual the police
officer contacts them asks them to step
out of the vehicle they refuse there's a
struggle the person says I'm not
involved which ends up being the case
they weren't involved during the
struggle the police officers involved in
a shooting and kills the person the
individual was shot and killed during
the struggle the police officers Alex
Rosario barroa and the individual is
named Steven Shaw and he was not the
individual who was in The Assault he was
not involved in it at all the officer
had the wrong person there was a there
was an officer involved shooting and Mr
Shaw did die that's a story that I'm
going to talk about and that that just
that just has so many elements of a lot
of what we talk about so we not only
have the victim of a crime so the reason
so someone a victim who deserves Justice
is just like anyone would be when
they're a victim of a crime so we have a
legitimate victim of a crime we have
information being given to police
officers police officers trying to apply
that that
information that they have in the moment
in real time which again Human
Performance would dictate that's not
only perfect then they contact the
individual that they think is involved
to isn't involved and the individual
doesn't comply doesn't essentially
resists arrest now it wasn't a good
arrest but the officer obviously didn't
know that at the time now this argument
they should have been more careful of
course but you know the individual
resists arrest and there's an officer
involved shooting and tragically um the
individual died so I just wanna I'm
gonna go into in detail next week but I
just wanna and it's on body camera video
you can watch this thing I encourage
everyone to do it
um against officer Alex Rosario barroa
in Washington DC
um and I just want to put it out there
for everyone to think about this there's
virtually that
best way that I can explain it it's an
example that's Sam Harris Gates I don't
know how many people listen to Sam
Harris I've been a big fan for a long
time and Sam Harris he's a white guy but
he gave this example on his show a
couple years ago and I always think
about it here's what Sam Harris said and
Sam Harris if you ever see a picture of
him he looks almost exactly like Ben
Stiller so Sam Harris says you know he's
like here I am a 50 year old white guy
I'm walking around the streets I'm doing
my thing I know that I haven't committed
a crime I haven't done anything wrong
I'm minding my own business but
unbeknownst to me the police officers
get a call that someone who looks
exactly like Ben Stiller just did a
robbery at a convenience store and Sam
said you know if police officers come
around the corner and they see me and I
happen to be a half a block away yes it
would be reasonable for the police
officers to stop and detain me because I
match the general description now I know
that I didn't do anything wrong I know
that I didn't commit a robbery but a
reasonable suspicion to detain someone
that's a pretty low bar and then even
though I know I didn't do anything it's
reasonable for the police officers to
think that I did and Sam Harris makes a
good point he says if you didn't do
anything wrong and you want to convince
police officers that you didn't do
anything wrong the worst thing you
should do is run fight or resist because
police officers who think that you might
have done something wrong if you want to
add more evidence to that bucket that
they think you're guilty go ahead and
run and fight from police officers and I
think that's that's that's the right way
to look at this is that yes is that yes
it's inconvenient it's annoying it's
irritating and maybe it's illegal for
the police officers to detain you if
something like that happens but
is it better than dying is it better
than being in a use of force incident
um I what I always say is my preference
in all of this and what I want the
outcome to be is therefore to be less
violence between police and citizens I
want less citizens to get injured and
killed I want less officers to get
injured and killed as well so the best
way for that is if you are contacted or
stopped by a police officer is just to
comply yes if they put you in handcuffs
because they're investigating just
comply now afterwards file a complaint
file a lawsuit listen if the police
officers actually did violate your
rights there are dozens hundreds
sometimes thousands of attorneys who are
going to be [ __ ] fighting with each
other in order to represent you because
a civil rights violation case that's
obvious is unbelievable and easy money
for an attorney so again yes it's
irritating but what I don't want is for
something like this to happen now I'm
not placing the blame on Mr Shaw who
died on this case that's not what I'm
saying I'm just saying we should be able
to have a conversation where if this
happens and it's going to happen because
again police officers aren't psychics
they get some information from a victim
which who knows how much information
that that they're given and then they go
out in the real world and they try to
apply that to people maybe in a
situation where there's a lot of people
who look like Ben Stiller and they're
doing the best they can but again if a
situation like that happens it's always
my preference yes just comply with the
police officers that way there's no
there's I want to say no chance of
violence because the Memphis five can be
out there just who knows what they're
going to do but there's statistically
there's virtually almost no risk of
getting injured or killed by police if
you comply and yes if the police were
wrong if they violated your rights go
after them file a complaints file a
lawsuit and everyone's alive which is
absolutely my preference all right a
couple comments here before we go uh
let's see um Chet says it is better than
living
um okay uh let's see James Echo Yeah you
mentioned the case we're going to
research it for next week and we'll
we'll get there uh Teo status says the
quicker you comply the quicker they can
go and catch the real bad guy yeah
absolutely Sergeant George to be in the
use of forced incident is like having to
deal with a bull on a rampage yeah use
Force incidents are difficult
um Steve Ladner keyword is illegal yeah
Steve it would be illegal if there's no
Reasonable Suspicion you're right um but
again that's maybe that maybe in these
cases there is no Reasonable Suspicion
but that's up for a judge to decide and
if a police officer violates someone's
rights I really don't have any I really
do not have any um any Quantum police
officer being punished for violating
rights uh Steve Ladner filed a complaint
for the police to investigate themselves
and laugh in your face well that's not
really the case especially if you file a
lawsuit police officers aren't the ones
who sit on courts last comment all right
Daryl Smith there's a huge divide in
America between law enforcement and the
people and there needs to be a bridge
built between this Gap and the fact that
uh because someone said something is not
the answer uh we will we will we need
them and they need us Daryl Smith that's
a perfect comment yes there is a divide
we need to fill that divide just like I
said after I explain the Austin case
this week is that is that yes people
want police officers they want police
presence but they want good police
officers they want constitutional police
officers that is something that everyone
deserves in this country because we are
all equal under the law all right I hope
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