As an American state national, do you understand the difference between American state national and whatever imaginary thing you believe in. It's not It's not imaginary. That's fine, man. It's not imaginary. Whatever American thing that says you don't have to follow the rules or whatever, that's cool, man. sovereign right that we don't have to uphold Hey Bob, can you come to the library? There's a sovereign citizen that would like to speak with you. It'll be a few minutes. I'm in CID in a meeting. Okay. It's going to be a few minutes. He's busy. What's this stuff? I'm liable for what? Hello. How are you guys everybody doing? What's going on? I don't know. I I I was here. I was trying to conduct some business. So, I was trying to get some things printed up. And they ended up kicking me off of the the computers that I had access to. Okay. And I just needed to print up four pieces of paper. And she's trying to just tell me that I I have to wear and demand me to wear a mask to to use any facility or anything in here. You have to wear a mask. There's a governor's mandate. Okay, but that's not law. And did you or did you not swear an oath to the Constitution or did you swear an oath to the governor? So, we can cut through all of this. Is this really worth it to go through all of this for four pieces of paper when you can just put a face covering on? Isn't it crazy that I'm being discriminated against when you're asking me Sir, I'm the I'm the wrong person to argue cuz I've lost three family members to COVID. So, I'm not the right person to argue with. that you you family members There's a there's a way to handle this. You can just wear a face covering or you can leave, sir, and go somewhere else that doesn't require you to wear it, but this is a city building. What what are your You don't have any stripes on your arm. No, I'm a police officer, sir. Okay, do you have a sergeant I can speak with? Sure. Let's go outside and you can speak to a sergeant. I'll call one for you. Cuz they don't want you in the building, sir. like to stand here and just wait for the No, sir. You need to wear a face covering or you need to leave. I'm not going to go through this whole thing that you can put on YouTube. This It has nothing to do with putting on YouTube. This is actually me recording Can you please Can you please wear a face covering or can you leave? Cuz those are your two options. You can wear a face covering or you can leave. Okay, would you trespass me? Yes, I can and I will. And I don't want to do that because it's four pieces of paper. Well, actually, that's what I would like. I would like for you to trespass me so I can have the documents so I can come in Do you have your ID? I don't ID unless I commit a crime. Okay. Well, you're trespassing. That's a crime. That's not a crime. It is. No, it's it's a statutory violation. do we need to go down this route? Just wear a face covering or leave. Why is it that whenever I talk about my rights, my constitutional rights, you want to Sir, here's your uh to to step over I'm going to give you a I'm going to give you an opportunity, okay? Cuz your constitutional rights and your argument standing right here is actually going to get you in handcuffs and arrested. So, here's your options. I will take you to jail if you'd like. You'll take me to jail if I like? Yes, or you can just wear a face covering You understand that I'm American State National? I don't, sir. Whatever imaginary thing that you think that you don't have to follow laws, that's your prerogative. Mandatory Governor signing something mandatory is not law. So, are you going to wear a face covering or not, sir? states Sir, are you going to put on a face covering or not? You know what? How about if I step outside and I'll wait for your sergeant to get here? Let's go. Let's head right outside. Absolutely. Okay, let's do this. Because now I'm leaving because I was threatened that you were going to arrest me. Yeah, I will. If you refuse to leave, I will arrest you. There's no threat. That's going to happen. And the trespass would be cuz what? Because you're not wearing a face covering. And that's a criminal offense? They can ask you to leave or refuse service to you, sir. a criminal offense? The criminal offense is that they've asked you to leave. If you refuse to do so, that's trespassing. How can they criminal trespass when I'm not a criminal? When I have committed no crime. I know my rights. Let me get my phone. You are saying that we can't come back here because we're criminals. Is that what this is? do so, that's trespassing. Criminal means that I have actually And that's fine. That's You can So so your definition is that we're You know everything. I don't know anything. Let's go. Okay. Sounds like somebody needs to be Yeah. schooled a little bit. Okay. You know what I mean? Well, I'm glad that you picked the a library to have this argument. not trying anything. It's a public place. Okay. I I am walking in public. That's fine. Can you call your sergeant? Yeah, let's go outside and I'll call him. Go and call him. I'd like to hear him. I'm not going to argue semantics. Let's go. Outside. Okay. There we go. Do you want him trespassed where he can't come back? Okay. So you're going to need to provide your ID, sir, cuz I'm going to fill out a trespass. you my name. Okay, that's fine. Steven Mackmiller. Steven? You're going to have to spell that last one for me. Mackmiller. M A C K M I L L E R. There you go. And I'd also like for you to get the names of these individuals that were that ended up calling. Do you spell Steven with a V or a P H? V. What's your birthday, sir? I don't need a birthday. Okay. I'm going to give you another opportunity to think this over cuz right now what's happening, you're being trespassed from this building. In order for me to issue you a trespass card, you have to identify yourself by your name and date of birth or your social security number or your ID. I I told you my name. I need your date of birth as well, sir. Okay. Were you born here in New Mexico? I don't want to answer any more questions. Okay. All right, sir. So what's going to happen is you're going to be trespassed from this building. Oh yeah, I love that. You're not allowed to come back including the parking lot. So when we conclude here, you're going to have to leave. Okay? I want that trespass. Okay, you're not going to get the trespass card they are cuz you're being advised and given a trespass warning. ticket. You're not being criminally cited. No. Exactly. So this isn't isn't crime. Look, I didn't commit a crime and you're over here trying to trespass me. Yes, you're you're trespassing cuz they're asking you to leave. I know, but just because they're asking me to leave doesn't mean My suggestion is you would need to talk to the city manager and the mayor because they said it. to your sergeant. Okay, when we're done here No, it's not when we're done. I would like to speak to him before we're done. No. You can talk you can So now so now you're So now you're So now you're refusing So now you're refusing as an officer to call in your sergeant. So you weren't you're not you're unwilling to I'm not going to call him. Okay. Well, you can call him. So you're unwilling to So you're unwilling I'm not unwilling. Well, if you're unwilling that means you're willing. If you're not going to call them that means you're unwilling. So now you're refusing as an officer to call in your sergeant. Yeah. I am. You can walk right across the street and go talk to the sergeant if you like. You don't have to call him you don't even need to bring I'm not going to go search for him. I asked him to come to me. Well, you're going to need to leave the property. So that's not your So that's not your uh So it's not your uh policy when somebody that you are talking to First name Steven, last name MacMillan. M A C M I L L I L L A I'm American state national. You understand the difference between American state national and imaginary thing you believe Cuz that's not that's not imaginary. That's fine, man. It's not imaginary. Whatever American thing that says you don't have to follow the rules or whatever It's our sovereignty right that we don't have to abide by mandatory dictatory laws. Yeah, that's what he said. Is this really worth it to cause all this Well, you know what's funny is uh 863-746 Is what what it Was it worth it? Was it worth it? Was it worth Rosa? Can you go to three? To be sued to the back of the bus. You're You're not Rosa Parks, man. Yeah, I'm on three. Hey Bob, can you come to the library? There's a sovereign citizen that would like to speak with me. It'll be a few minutes. I'm in CID in a meeting. Okay. It's going to be a few minutes. He's busy. All right, I'll wait here then. No, you You know You're going to go lay on the When I finish identifying you, you're going to wait on the sidewalk. You cannot be on the property. You're being trespassed. I'm telling you right now. Well, I'm I'm waiting to speak to the sergeant. You can wait on the sidewalk. You cannot wait here. You can't just kick me out of here, man. Yes, I can. I'm going to kick you off, sir. Okay. Uh I typed it online. Can I get his old in and SLC? Can you do me a favor and give me your your badge number? 863. And what was your name? Hold on. Do you understand that you'll be held liable for what you're doing, correct? What are the last four? He keeps talking over me. Um that's 555. Thanks. What's this then? I'm liable for what? Well, you you could be held personally liable for violating my constitutional rights. Go ahead. By all means, do what you got to do. But you need to leave the property, sir. Okay. Can I get your name? Milks, M I L K S, and my badge number is 863. 863? Yes, sir. was the supervisor that McCord. McCord? Do you have any idea what his ID number is? Yes, 746. McCord, okay. Yes, sir. You will definitely be receiving something in the mail. That's absolutely fine. I just need you to leave, sir, please. So, this is this is it? I don't get any paperwork? No, sir. Can I get a report number? I'm not doing a report on this, sir. You're not Unless you'd like a report. Do you want a report? Yeah, well, that's what I asked for. I need a report number. That's fine. And I actually asked you to to to grab their names so I know who they are so I can hold them responsible. You can call the library and get it. I'm not going to give you their information. Well, they're the ones that are That's fine. They're the ones so you don't care to identify the people that not at all. That's just I'm just a bad cop that way. 863 Central. So, you're a bad cop? Yeah, we're I'm just a bad cop. I do bad investigations. Let me get you a case number and you can get out of here, okay? Give me a case number. Do you have a business card or anything? Can I get a case number? I don't. I'm going to write it on this paper for you cuz I ran out of business cards. Okay. Sounds good. Hey. It's your right to record, brother. So, you are trespassing me off public place for no crime. Mhm. And you agree to that? Yes. So, you know that you understand that's abuse of power, right? Yep. File the lawsuit. Good. Here you go, sir. It's LCPD 20 and then 225707. My name's Milks, 863, and there's a non-emergency number if you have any questions. You got You got some chickens to catch. I do. It is a an unfortunate thing I've had to deal with. I've had to deal with that in my own life. Well, you have a good day, sir. Thanks. I can't wait to to see you in court. Thank you so much. Have a good one. All right. Got your 15 minutes of fame. Is it Is it just Tuesdays or what? I think it's just Tuesdays. Geez Louise. All right, well he requested a police report in my policy I have to give him one. Do you mind if I just get your info to say that you're the one that's dressed cuz I know you're you're the manager of the library, correct? Library manager. Oh, she's going to get a nice She's going to get What's your first name then? It's Margaret. M A R G A R E T And your last name? Neal. N E I L O W N E I L O W And what's a good work number for you? Okay. Or Oh, perfect. I'm just going to put all of this as your information cuz when he requests the report, I don't want your personal information in there. Nobody needs to know how old I am. You are So, just so I got it straight. Sure, of course. Kind of the same thing he was with me. I'm sure he didn't have a mask. You asked him, "Can you please put one on?" Yes. We offered him one. You offered him a first one and Yes. We offered him We did give him a second one. Yeah. Yeah. We gave him a second one. And then like we can get you one if you refuse to wear one He's saying that I don't have to follow the Yeah, the American nationalist stuff. Yeah, sovereign citizen Okay. Apparently because I don't see people all the time on their own recognizance which perhaps I don't. Yeah. I don't know the law. Oh, well. I did also give him alternatives. You know, so not wearing a mask but you do follow the guidelines and wear your shoes. So, let me I ran out of criminal trespass cards on my person. Let me grab you one. Criminal week. Yeah, it's been a while. All right. I'll fill one out and I'll bring it back even if I got to run across the street. I might need to to get another one. But I'll fill it out and come back. But I think he left. He didn't even want to wait for the sergeant so I think No, no. He has to upload that. Yeah, that's got to get there real quick. Get on YouTube real quick. So, well, I guess we'll see each other in court if I don't see you when I drop off the trespass card, so all right. You all have a good one. 863746 Go ahead. Channel 3 I'm on free. Hey, so he left. I guess he's going to send us something in the mail or we'll see him in court when he sues the court. Okay, sounds like a plan. Are you going to be in your office? I will be there in about 10 minutes. 10-4 Well, what a shitty police officer. I don't even need to focus on this guy. All right. Stop. Don't hit that car. Woo!