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all right so uh
the constitution requires that i inform
you that you have the right to remain
silent anything you say
will be used against you as evidence in
the court of law
you are entitled to talk to an attorney
now and have one present now or at any
time during questioning
if you cannot afford an attorney one
will be appointed for you
without cost do you desire to consult
with an attorney first or do you have
one during
or do you want one during the interview
well if we can get them here during the
interview that'd be great but i
i don't know how long that would take
because you said it would only be about
five minutes so
so yeah do you want to talk to me or
sure let's talk all right um
it says do you desire to consult with an
attorney first or to have one during the
interview you've said no
if at any time they're hereafter you
wish to remain silent or have an
attorney present all questioning will be
stopped
has anyone at this time threatened
rehearsed or promised you anything in
order to induce you into making a
statement now
no sir do you understand these rights
yes do you still wish to talk to me sure
okay all right so uh soren viller
stopped you today
he told you it was for the wearing of
the gun correct
no he said it was concealed okay so he
told you
he was stopping you for having a
concealed firearm
well he said i was carrying a concealed
weapon but yes
if you want to split hairs that's
correct okay so that's what it was i
just want to make sure you understand
what you were stocked for
all right let me ask you looking at this
does that look like a real gun to you
corporal ramsey we can save the [ __ ]
you know as well as i do that you all
know it's a pepper ball
i i don't that's why i'm asking you you
do and in fact we have the emails and
you
are correct you're not in those emails
and i appreciate that
but i will tell you that i do have the
emails that were sent multiple times not
only to your main lawyer here at the
sheriff's office
but also viddler saying that us carrying
those pepper ball weapons is legal
as long as they're in plain view so i
make sure
that my guys their jackets don't cover
them and i make sure that they're always
in plain view like it was today
and we've never had this problem before
in fact we've met
before while i'm wearing it uh sergeant
dylan with orlando police has met
with when i'm wearing it multiple
agencies have met that and never had a
problem with that because they know it's
let me ask you the first thing they ask
you though when they see you is isn't
that a firearm and what do you tell them
no it's always been a pepper ball i know
but that's what you tell them it's not
it's a purple ball and then you tell
them statue right
only one time has that ever happened who
is that with i honestly can't remember
i'm sorry you want me to help you
sure well i it's been more than one time
but
the one time you're probably talking
about is with dylan on obt
you were coming by you stopped the
traffic section he was on he was on the
electric motorcycle yes
yes and uh he rolled up to you and his
whole thing was he thought i was a real
firearm
right so the last time we spoke
looking at this from a distance that
looks like a real firearm but then when
you got up a little bit closer you had a
knob on the back that
somebody who's familiar with firearms
and or like pellet guns or co2
type guns know that the end piece is for
that purpose right
uh but i also noticed now you're not
wearing that either you have a whole
different gun
no it's the same one just different
magazine because they keep leaking
okay so you change the magazine well the
magazine has something to do with the
leaking or something i don't really so
if i look up this weapon right now it's
going to show me that it comes with a
magazine with the the
knob on the back yeah yeah okay
and just so you know it took so long for
me because i was trying to look up the
gun
okay so why don't you have yellow on it
i'm sorry why don't you have a yellow or
orange markings or anything to identify
it as a less lethal weapon
it's always been less lethal you know
what it is no no why don't you have
markings on it so that the average
person would be able to tell that it's
less lethal corporal
are we saying that i was carrying a
concealed weapon or was it in plain view
that's not a plain view because you
can't tell you can tell that okay
the average person including law
enforcement cannot tell them
yours right now not concealed it was
never concealed it was in plain view in
fact
he drove up next to me and looked right
at it and then made the traffic stop
so we already know that that's clearly
him looking at it knowing that that's
the less lethal that we carry okay and
you're saying that that's
and that's and that's in plain view it
is in plain view
okay uh and you guys
know online from your own attorney from
the upstairs your head attorney at the
sheriff's office
your own attorney from the sheriff's
office emailed you
not you but sergeant viddler saying that
those
are okay our badges are okay those are
okay
in plain view are okay that's exactly
what the email says okay
so online when you look it up for this
particular weapon
how much i'm saying how much do you pay
for that i honestly can't remember i'm
not gonna lie
how long ago did you buy it i honestly
can't i
i bought multiple for the company so
so you've bought some that are this you
bought some with the yellow on it right
it's a mixture
once the yellow started coming out then
we've got ones that had yellow so why
don't you wear that one
uh because that one's mine kind of like
what's issued to you is what you use and
what's issued to me is what i use
so i just never changed it okay but your
guys if they had
all black one and the yellow ones came
out you changed theirs
no the the yellow ones would go to the
newer guys that were higher
okay okay so this online identifies as a
glock basically a glock replica
this is for like training for law
enforcement and military
uh we already know no no that's what
it's advertised as right it's as
a training weapon less lethal paper ball
no it's actually advertised for like
paintball uh the airsoft paintball for
training for military and law
enforcement and they come they have the
blue that doesn't
they have the yellow listen i know what
you're doing with your camera on
everything you're trying to make it
sound like that i know it looks like a
weapon and stuff
i already lethal
weapons that's what we carry okay
statute clearly states as long as it is
in
clear plain view what show me
just tell me on here first just
everybody knows
there's nothing in it right right and
that's how it was when you were carrying
it nothing in it well just because i
just got this magazine in the mail
two days ago okay so but you're not
carrying anything in it right it's empty
right okay so it's empty uh
it's you verified it's empty right okay
from your point of view down there
what does that look like to you okay
all right so when if that deputy saw
that weapon and made a traffic stop on
me
then he would say excuse me mr gowett i
see you have a firearm
what is that and i would say well deputy
it's a less lethal and illegally per the
statute can carry it in plain view as
long as it is only for self-defense
purposes right and that's what we carry
them for just like the baton and the
mace
so for self-defense purposes we're
legally allowed to carry it in
open view and that's what your statute
says okay can you show me on here
anywhere i mean i don't know why you
have a light on a
less lethal but can you show me anywhere
on here where
it gives anybody the idea that this is
not a firearm i don't think it's that
it's a legal
i can't answer that i don't i don't make
those but you know they're leslie no no
i'm asking
but you can save that for somebody else
okay so you can't tell me anywhere on
here where it gives you an indicator
stop all right hold on now this is in
plain view right
would you say that's plainview you can
see it completely okay i'm looking at it
i see nothing on here that makes me
believe
this is not a real gun all the way down
to the magazine everything
even the extractor pin right here for
the round okay
so now that it's in here and this is up
is that in plain view it sure is okay
what's in plain view
the weapon what what part of the weapon
the safety part of the weapon what
safety part of the weapon
handle it's in plain view the grip on my
head on my hip
that you guys already knew was on my hip
okay and you've known
five eight years that we wear them for
eight years
okay jeremy so right now you're saying
that the
back strap do me a favor the back strap
where's the lieutenant
captain because i'm going to say we have
the emails that your attorney said to
viddler saying
i haven't seen this i'm just asking this
is the hand grip
and the background the lieutenant or the
captain i've asked multiple times and i
know the sector 4 captain's here so can
she come in
or he come in please so and then if they
can explain it
to he okay his red tour his his red ford
explorers out there
so multiple of those but right sure
village getting whoever
you're asking for it's in the parking
spot so okay so please
um i'm not trying to be disrespectful
you've known
for eight years that we carry those okay
so does everybody else i i've never i've
never seen you carry anything
that looks so much like i mean all your
other ones look like a firearm
but there's always when you get close
enough something that gives it away
like the little uh bolt on the back uh
in this case
i mean no so you're telling me that this
is openly carried
that this is not concealed because the
back strap and the handle is exposed as
long as it's on our belt and in clear
view it's an open carry
so how are you charging with concealed
okay
i gotta understand that so let me ask
you this then when you were on the dr
phil show and dr phil asked you
okay about why don't you carry the
yellow ones and you told them the same
thing that you you
have some in your stock that are yellow
and some that aren't because those are
all issued out now right it's not really
fair for me to go and take it from
somebody else
right and so he said to you because why
would you wear a total black one that
looks like a real firearm instead of the
yellow on there
and your response to them was well it
doesn't matter because it's concealed
anyway you can't see it when it's in the
uh holster
those were your words no no i didn't say
it was concealed that's a nice trick
what i said was you can't see if it has
the orange or yellow at all i never said
concealed
so you watch that episode multiple times
and you can try to remember
no i i watched it once oh i'm pretty
good maybe we should
the back strap the back strap right here
was yellow
no no it's not it was no it's not okay
so
and you would see yellow here right you
would see yellow here
hold on purple and then on the end down
here where the barrel is you would see
orange
or yellow not on this one that's not
that company
correct the company he was showing was a
totally different company
yeah and it was one that you all carry
it was not it was exact it was
exact we don't carry that company okay
this particular model also comes with
the blue or the orange
they do have the blue one that just and
the orange it's not it's been out for a
while
it's been awful i haven't seen the
orange ones okay so it comes so
that means you intentionally purchase
black this is a newer model i know
you're telling me you don't remember
when you bought it but this is a newer
model it's not that old
it is pretty old we've had those for a
while what's a while
i don't know four years all right you
haven't had that one for four years
if you have you haven't been carrying
you've been hiding it no
no okay all right no
all right so core again
where is it concealed well first of all
you're not carrying it for uh
self-defense i am there's no pepper
balls in it
there's nothing in it that's because
this morning i put the magazine in
because the other one was leaking
so why wouldn't you reload it with
pepper balls if you're carrying it for a
true defense why would you not that'd be
like me coming to work
i got a new gun or new magazines because
the other ones are full of sand and i
i'm not gonna put bullets in today
because i gotta get to work
that's really what it is i got my
magazine in through amazon and
unfortunately because i have employees
that need
a little more guidance um they forgot
their cell phone and so we're
shuffling around but that's neither here
nor there so
in all the hay mess that i had to deal
with to get out on the road
the four of us i i forgot
i forgot to load it well yeah i mean
it's i think the last time
you were arrested and you had this on
you didn't have any pepper balls in it
either then
no mine on my hip i did i think the last
time you
found in the tow truck didn't yeah no
yeah not that one there was the one
before that i think
yeah i think it's been several times so
no no i had my pepper
why are you carrying an asp for
self-defense purposes as long as it's in
plain view it's legal
so you're carrying an ass for
self-defense right
you're carrying an empty firearm well
it's not a firearm
does it project it shoots less lethal
pellets
does it project a missile of any type it
shoots
pepper balls okay so it's legal right
but it shoots
too right but it shoots right it takes
compressed air or something to the
effect to push it out where where's the
captain
it's in plain view at least you're not
carrying the handcuffs anymore huh
did you glue them shut no that's new
fairly new
i'm sure he's that's what he's looking
for okay so that's why i'm waiting for
him but
in the pepper spray why so you carry
pepper spray for self-defense
carry an ass for self-defense and you
carry this gun
that projects what you say is uh pepper
balls for self defense right
even though the primary function for
this is uh paintballs
for uh training right well it's pepper
balls that's what they
sell they sell pepper balls as well
yeah the the primary purpose of it
though is you want to read it to you
i mean what they say on their website
and what the pepper balls are for us for
us
for us our primary use of that is for
self-defense
and pepper balls have you ever had to
use it on anybody no
of course not
although i love how you guys tried to
make it sound like i pulled it on your
off-duty deputy that hit me with this
truck
even though the 911 call clearly states
that he doesn't even believe i have it
i i'm not sure what you're talking about
i know you are i know that's good the
real action maker t4e
tpm1 which is this model training
paintball
pistol is a 43 caliber so it's almost
45.
well it's a 43 paintball it is the
latest generation of high-end training
and markings
and marking system used by law
enforcement as well as
the military for training purposes right
it is powered by the uh 12g co2
cylinder housed in the magazine each
cylinder can be loaded approximately to
three times
24 hour shots is equipped that's so the
t4
e tpm1 paintball training pistol is
equipped with the panoramic
blow back system to shoot paintball
rubber balls pa
uh powerballs as well as pepper ball for
self defense
pepper no i know i read it but that's
for something for self defense
i appreciate you well that was that was
the second of what it says
it's the third paragraph i'm just
reading the funny thing is this is for
self defense purposes
and no matter what it's not today what
could you
unless you throw it at somebody that's
not i guess i would throw it at somebody
today well but that's
that's right so then what would be the
purpose of wearing this way
to look real because i forgot to load my
magazine that means i'm carrying a
concealed weapon in plain view
uh it is that that's just not in plain
view this is not everything
all right well like how come you're
gonna go back here we're gonna go back
i don't know you keep talking about uh
the attorneys
so i'm not familiar with what you're
talking about there
the only thing i have heard uh from
attorneys is that
uh is that that looks like a real
firearm
i can tell you deputy reeves
the one who uh came in here with you
right do you remember
probably about four years ago he stopped
you right around
50 in john young area you just passed
john young heading west
you and it was cold time you were in
your jacket uh
and he had pulled up next to you he
didn't actually stop you but he pulled
it next to the car
yeah yeah yeah and i had my jacket
tucked around it yeah so it was legal
and and he said jeremy right
you can't have a firearm right i
remember i actually have that on video
still right
and i said deputy reeves i said yeah
you're right it is a less lethal and he
said oh
okay he said it looks good and then he
said it looks pretty good
what looks good but he he said that
looks like a real gun
and i said but it's less lethal and then
that's what you said
but even without him seeing it so it's
not openly carried because it's open it
is openly
openly carried would tell somebody that
that was less lethal like this
openly cured because you clearly tell
the yellow and i'm wearing it exactly
like that that is
there's no difference except you can see
all the yellow
yeah you cannot see any yellow on here
smell back there is no yellow there's no
markings on here that tells you that's
less they still openly carrying plane
so the point is is he stopped you about
four years ago
i've seen the video right it was your
video yeah i know yeah
isn't that funny yeah it was your video
it clearly states
that i say it's pepper ball so when you
find somebody that says that we're not
using them for self-defense
you can go ahead and try to flip them
like you did photo and recycle
and then try to see if they can testify
against me it's okay
because the people that you have that
are trying to testify against me
i have videos of them actually doing
things and i can
promise you those will come out so
anyways
i know for a fact that none of my weight
so these are illegal i know for a fact
these are pepper balls
all day and i know for a fact that the
statue
of your attorney says i can openly carry
in plain view which i've been doing
for for almost eight years so let me get
back to the point of
that video and what what let me ask you
another question
when you pulled me over and you kept me
out of traffic stop for three hours
and you wrote me 20 tickets for having
white flashing lights
um i had a pepper ball how come we
didn't arrest me for open carrying them
well first of all you did not have a gun
on you that day i did no you did not
listen stop go ahead you did not have a
gun on you that day
i'm gonna tell you what you had on you
that day okay go ahead pepper spray
and then asp it was empty it was just
the
what we have is legal and we can
actually carry the batons
actually major cans did not tell me any
of that stuff so let me finish okay sure
go ahead all right
cause you're quick to interrupt no i
didn't mean to inside now
so you had no gun that day you've become
more brazen since then and have gone to
these
that was in 2015.
i thought it was 14. it was 15. okay so
it's not eight years ago since you've
been carrying these guns
it's less than that much less so four
years ago is when we
realized that you were carrying these
about four years ago
okay so so let me
and that's when deputy reeves pulled up
next to you and saw it and thought you
were carrying a real firearm
as a convicted felon right which he knew
you were convicted felon because he was
on that traffic stop that day right
right so that was the concerning part of
that
all right the purpose of me telling you
about this
is he sent me a picture of it that day
while he was driving next to you
right i showed that picture to our
senior staff
to include the attorney you keep talking
about right
to the undershirt to the chief showed it
to them
and told them this picture was taken
right there
if you looked out the window on the
second floor where we're at you can see
the intersection of john young in 50.
right i understand and they're both
looking at the gun oh actually everybody
in the room that was looking at the
picture
were all like that's a real gun i go no
it's not
we thought it was right jeremy told us
it was a pepper ball gun
nobody stopped you to verify that that's
first second
since we'd had contact with you since
then right you know
not us specifically but opd had one time
and he didn't actually confirm it either
i then met with him at the police
station later about
an hour and a half time i've seen the
videos okay so
and then i showed him that it was pepper
ball and if if you remember correctly
since you've seen the video when i
ejected the magazine the round fell onto
the table
well i didn't see a round fall out so
can't help you there but i did
i did see the video of you take it and
you chucked it on the
table and that's when he told you is
over because you were getting really
mouthed because you and your girlfriend
at the time
was my girlfriend okay
she and you were talking outside about
how she was gonna
make this follow this lawsuit against
the police
that's not what you said on the video
you recorded the whole thing right
i did and then later on i explained to
her that well that must have been off a
video
probably yeah trying to jam up
dylan sergeant dylan for racism is
a little bit too much yeah and it makes
my company look bad especially since
sergeant dylan at no time was ever in
any way shape or form racist towards her
oh he absolutely was not because i've
watched all the videos from the deputies
who were there
right and when she filed the complaint
um
i don't remember who took it i told her
she needed to stop pursuing it
so the purpose of this was that
they thought it was a real gun okay so
when you tell me that there's emails
sent that you've seen and i told you i
haven't seen them
the last information i was given is
that's a real gun
if you see them wearing it you need to
deal with it
that was the last information that we
were given when was that
been a couple years ago since when we
started all this so so
sergeant vittler sent to your new
tourney because it's not
any more um steve miller steve miller um
sent him an email and that new attorney
that's over
the sheriff's office said that you know
steve miller is not with the sheriff's
office
steven casey miller uh sent an email
saying that that's not illegal and
neither is the badges
but even casey miller said i won that
yeah saying that
you're talking about you're talking
about the state attorney yeah and then
and he said the badges was not legal was
it was it legal it was it was okay
it was okay whether okay is the word or
not but it's saying that it's not
illegal
by itself so let me you keep hold on
hold on yeah so
but then your attorney at your own
sheriff's office who's not
um who was the guy when krantz was here
uh who was that i don't know i know his
name and if i could just think for a
second
i would pop but anyways it's not him
anymore obviously
um the new attorney sent an email
well viddler sent back and forth to him
that
what about the pepper ball guns and your
attorney at the sheriff's office said no
as long as they're in plain view they're
not illegal and we can't
there's nothing on that we would have to
find something else is the exact words
and terminology he used
for finding something to arrest me on
something else
so i'm a little confused and i ramsay
listen to me
you don't have to like me i know you
don't like me and i know you think i'm a
liar let me finish go ahead i don't i
don't
i don't think you lie man i think he
twisted a little bit but go ahead i can
assure you that email is real
so i'm a little confused right now why
this is happening
because i'm clearly okay very open
open open right
it's clearly open i'm carrying it in a
very clear
open no jacket nothing covering it yeah
you're carrying a
firearm it's not a fire and they open as
you know as well as like okay
so let's hypothetically don't even know
that wait wait
if you want to use that terminology so
if i'm open carrying of a firearm then
it's a simple misdemeanor
what are you doing you're now you're
trying to charge me with a felony
concealed carry
uh are you a convicted felon but i'm not
carrying that enhancement
concealed that is concealed that is not
concealed it's a plain view
okay i would 100 agree with you if it
had distinguishing marks on it that
identified as less lethal which
it does not which is offered for the
purpose of
and five years later and listen and you
know what makes it worse
for you right now is that you went on
the doctor phil and you described why
it doesn't matter whether it had yellow
or not because you couldn't see it
because it's concealed in the hole it
didn't say concealed in the hose
you did i said you couldn't see this
area if it was yellow
okay that's all i said that's not what
you said but you said it you couldn't
see it
let's just say you didn't say the word
conceal you said you couldn't see it
anyway because it's in the holster
it's the same as being concealed so you
you acknowledged not concealed
okay it's in plain view on my duty belt
in plain view
let me tell you what i see in plain view
corporal ramsey i'm gonna go around
viddler who knows that i carry the
pepper ball weapons
pulled up next to me on the i-4 and
looked right at me
and and you're telling me that he is
such an expert in
all firearms that he could tell from a
glance
in a vehicle that that was not a firearm
okay
because you know what you always say to
everybody there's no way you could have
identified me i had a helmet on and
sunglasses
right okay that's what you always say
and we can't identify you
because of facial characteristics right
this facial characteristic is straight
up it looks like a gun so then hold on
let's stop and verify that it's not real
by saying it's less lethal
by saying because what's funny is you
say that but then he got out of the
vehicle
so jira made so what you're saying is if
he sees the gun
in your pocket and he sees an outline of
the gun
in your pocket is that concealed that's
concealed how is it you can see the
outline of the gun
anything of the weapon what do you mean
what do you have to see
what do you mean if you see the outline
of a gun
and you can clearly tell in that pocket
that that's a gun
okay okay is is that concealed
as you can see he's saying the same
thing about my baton this is concealed
it's in the pouch
on my belt so this is concealed okay
that would be the same argument did you
see how high this sticks out so you can
tell this is an asp
you can clearly tell this is enough to
be the same thing about my amazing
you can't see do you see the red do you
see the red i can clearly see the red
even
no you are if you're saying in your
pocket and you can clearly see the
outline
is a gun okay you're saying then that
village should stop you and say do you
have a gun in your pocket and you're
going to know it's less lethal
and you pull it out now that would be
illegal you could take me to jail
if i was carrying this in my pocket if i
was carrying this in my pocket
or i had a jacket over it you got me all
day i [ __ ] up
okay i agree why because it's concealed
what's concealed the weapon the whole
weapon right excuse me
just realize is this not concealed i i i
don't just relax no no because you might
hit me with it
come on shut the [ __ ] up no let listen
what do you want and i i'll give it to
me i'm gonna show you
no i don't need to see it i'm just
telling you so if i have that under my
shirt
and my shirts over it then you're right
you got me but listen
that's concealed because you can't even
make out the shape of it other than
there might be an object in your body
i'm saying it's in your pocket it's in
your pocket you can clearly see the out
print it's a gun
clearly there's no no there's no
guessing that that's a gun in your
pocket whether it's less lethal or not
nobody knows
i'm not a cops i can't i can't tell you
what you're saying so right i'm sorry
i've never been in that
let me go through the air let me go
through here
is this a belt a duty belt it is okay
that phone holder yeah
magazine pouches well they hold my knife
sometimes okay but this is a magazine
pouch right
we use it for uh multi tools and stuff
which is on my bike
and what is this used for in security
military and law enforcement
well some people use it for phone
holders like you some people use it for
what is this multi tools and stuff like
what is this that's a magazine pouch
okay magazine power right right okay
how'd you make sure take your phone off
your magazine pouch
i did i normally don't carry there
unless i'm walking in the building here
or did you not just
get it off your magazine but that's not
what it's for it's a it's a it's a
magazine pouch you said it what i need
to put my phone on
and then i put my multi-tool what is
this that's a tourniquet
okay do you carry one of these around
unless you're at work
you know that's a quarter yes sir okay
so we normally don't carry we're not at
work
okay so listen was i not at work what is
this a flashlight
okay is it daylight or nighttime i'm
sorry
it's a day or night what if it starts
raining and we need to use our little
traffic wands for our cars okay so so
you're saying that it gets that dark
on a rainy day it gets that dark well
see i know you guys aren't allowed to
ride in the rain
so but we ride in the rain okay we ride
in the rain but okay so it gets that
dark
right but it's okay do you do building
searches no okay
what's this that's our radio okay and
this is an operational radio
well right now i think that one's dead
because uh we had the
radio for our phones today
this is one of the ones that belong to
what agency that sold them that you
bought them from
was it was it uh st john's county
couldn't even tell you
all right so this is a non-operational
radio
right that's incorrect if you turn them
on with the battery then they actually
have a range of like
i don't remember what it is but you can
communicate with each other inside the
churches and stuff like that
okay
do you want me to believe that okay so
so you wear it for communicating right
were you working in a church today
well we're going to do a panel so
they're if they go into the church to
use the restroom or
they go into the church to sit down
because it's too hot out
we can call them on that and say hey
come on outside what is this
well that's a empty pouch for what
well usually i put my gloves in there or
my my cpr mask
okay what else nothing what is this
designed for
well it's designed to hold whatever you
want to put in it handcuffs maybe
handcuffed case what is this again what
are we talking about right now
because you're telling me about your
pouches here right this is your glove
well
i don't see any gloves in here what i'm
confused about is what are we talking
about my duty belt
so you you you talk about you render aid
right
but you have no gloves you have no cpr
mask
you have what looks like a firearm which
again it's in my bag and i was in a bit
of a hurry today
so okay so you didn't load up any of
your stuff that you should do have right
if one of your guys did that would you
fire them suspend them
chastise them yeah okay well that was
the great thing about being the owner i
guess
so another another not actually get in
trouble yeah so another
another until i get arrested for
concealed carrying of a weapon in plain
view
another uh pouch another pouch right
here shirt cuffs handcuffs right i don't
know
but i mean that's what it's designed for
if you say so
i've never seen it used for anything
else but handcuffs
you have an asp right a fully functional
ass it is
yeah yeah fully defense self-defense
right because you you get nice kind of
situation i mean
you if all you're doing is escorting
vehicles for a funeral right
and it's just a lead and that's all
you're supposed to have then why would
you ever need a weapon like that
i don't know for self-defense you never
know what self-defense
who knows okay that means we have our
holster
we're back around now to another
flashlight right
and then we have a pepper spray right
okay
you realize this looks just like any
regular law enforcement officer's belt
it pretty much mimics exactly and or
in-house security or
the only thing i can what are your
security guard no
are you licensed that's what i just said
in-house security are you
are you able to do in-house security i
am sure you are
anyone in the state of florida can do
in-house security so you could legally
do in-house security yeah sure
with your conviction you can do that
yeah sure okay you know what in-house
security means right
oh i absolutely do okay so then if
you're in-house
and they've hired you i'm saying i am
i'm not saying that but what i'm saying
is
if they hire you and it's in-house then
yes you legally can do that
if they know who you are and they know
that you're a felon and they want to use
you for security
and it's in-house a bar a restaurant
a hotel then yes they can so would you
ever handcuff anybody
if you're in-house security i couldn't
tell you i've never been in that
situation today
never done it no
so you've never done any house security
i can't answer that question i don't
know
you know okay well because if you
haven't then
i'm still trying to figure out now why
you would have
handcuffed pouches why you'd have pepper
spray and ass
if all you do is if all you do is ride a
motor okay
do you carry these when you're off duty
no not at all
you don't care any of this stuff right
not at all so you've never been into
like a walmart
with just a paddle holster and your gun
and a badge right here
walking down the aisle what do you mean
when we got done doing a funeral escort
no no you were in plain clothes you
wearing nothing but plain clothes
right walking into a walmart funeral
escort because somebody called out and i
had to race to the funeral home to go
back them up
yeah yeah i know all about that so then
you walked into a walmart afterwards
it was a target oh you're right you're
right absolutely there's a target
because
i had to get i had to get radiator fluid
for a car that was overheating
so yeah at a target what
i didn't think target sold those kind of
things there
walmart but not target well if the car's
overheating right there i don't have a
choice
there's no auto store right there so you
have a target doesn't sell it uh
automotive stuff like that they sell
they sell cleaners and they sell
radiator fluid and water
yeah that's what i was getting all right
so so you're getting water or radiator
fluid it's getting radiator fluid
but they didn't have it so you got water
i'm trying to help you out with your
stuff no no no
you're doing a good job yeah you lost
your story a little bit there but i'm
trying to give you a little not at all
a little stuff yeah same on the same
page
so we have a radio that's non-existent
that does not work well it does
short range what kind of battery is your
radio take
is that the older one was still the same
type of battery was at the bottom
no that's a different one
oh yeah you got this kind nope
the older ones we used to use those so
some of our guys i think still have them
but
now you guys i would love to be able to
try it i'm going to improve well i don't
know if it's new and improved but
i would love to turn that on just to see
your face when it doesn't work
oh it does work i'm sure it goes big
that's all it does but in close range
you can use it as a as like a walking
top
like a motor little walkie-talkie talk
about things like that
so court again it's not it's in plain
view
okay so where's the captain or
lieutenant i have no idea
let me go check i'm gonna go i'm gonna
go see if i can't find somebody
or see what village is doing uh do i get
to make a phone call today to my lawyer
real fast
yeah it won't be here why you let me
last time i've been answering your
questions
because i don't have access to a phone
like that you're not using my phone oh
so and last time i yeah i did he's got
my phone so let me use my phone real
quick i gotta go find him let me ask you
so we were talking about
two seconds so i can get some phone
numbers can i write can i
do you want your lawyer's phone or i'll
give it to you yeah that and then i need
to
i need my wife's phone number and i need
another phone i might still have her
number too
that would be good uh we're talking
about the badge
because i lost my train of thought there
and and you were talking
about something let me let me ask you
you said wait you said that
you said the state attorney you said the
state attorney
said that the badge was okay right and
that in itself
there's no charges right and on the dr
phil show you said it has to have an
eagle on top that represents
a five point star yeah or a troop or fhp
badge that's what the florida statute
says
it has to have an eagle a five-point
star and you can't use the fhp shield
right what if it's uh a uh six point
star
that you can use that's corrections
no yeah it is any security company can
use like six point stars
okay the florida statute well here i'm
getting to my point
so that particular badge the exact size
of it
and from a distance the look of it that
way we have a badge like that the
sheriff's office
you do oh yeah it's alright oh you mean
your millennium 2 000
there you go and you even knew the year
yeah i'm impressed well because the
millennium
2000 it falls kind of together
millennium 2000.
so right there it does resemble
a law enforcement local law enforcement
badge so you're incorrect there
next thing since we're talking about
it's funny as i didn't know that when i
started my company but
i found that out way later but that's
neither here nor there all right
why do you wear the motor rings because
we have our motor certifications
so that's why you wear them there and
nobody else in the state of florida
wears those
every security company any funeral
escort company in fact there's two
funeral escort companies
not even an hour from here and they wear
them too so
because of who i am it's illegal but
everybody else can correct
no because that's what you're saying no
no in fact i know of a company called
florida first in jacksonville and they
were the exact same uniform and they
even went to these shirts because they
reached out to me to find out
how they could get these shirts because
up there they were allowed to wear
white shirts anybody else locally wear
those shirts no
in central florida no nobody no
how about osceola county you mean
osceola county sheriff's office
motors they wear their shirts
the green this isn't green what color do
you call that this is high viz yellow
okay
that's what they wear same thing with
kasimi no they wear the two-tone shirts
which is 50 yellow up top 50
blue or black at the bottom in fact we
made sure we don't have those shirts so
that way we're not wearing police
outdoors
and again the funny thing is you keep
talking about those things
those shirts were picked and started to
be used by those agencies after i hit
the scene
my shirts were high vis when we started
this company
this colored shirt nobody wore it we
didn't go to the gray shirts
and and i'm sure you can pull the
records because krantz was there
captain chapman they used to wear white
no we've never worn white
ever not a single [ __ ] time
okay so don't ever put those words in my
mouth
and you can go ahead and get the
recordings because captain chapman
with major krantz and steve foster
that was his name i knew i was going to
come up with it steve foster your
attorney at that time
were the people that told us to leave
these yellow shirts
and go to the gray shirts that we
started wearing while me and my attorney
were sitting there recording the whole
conversation
you guys were the ones that told us to
put the orange in our lights
which we did and you guys when you say
you guys let's let's clarify
i never told you that right well since
you want to talk so
so because the statue is very clear but
you keep talking it's purple only
listen right corporal ramsay you keep
talking as
we're together and then now you're not
part of them no no you keep making
references that i told you i have no
knowledge about i was not a part of that
meeting correct
i apologize i was not a part of that
meeting correct part of that okay so
when you say
you all so it's not your job and
steve foster open the catalog and pick
the orange out of the catalog
and then told us to go to gray shirts
because they say our shirts look too
much like your jackets your rain jackets
we agreed and we went to the gray shirts
that they picked
they picked the color cap chat and set
right there and said
gray's fine it's not blue it's not white
it's not the yellow it's gray
my attorney was there so so we went i
spent thousands of dollars to put the
orange in
and thousands of dollars to buy the
shirts that you guys said
and isn't it funny that then years later
sergeant hitler says that our gray
shirts make us look too much like police
officers
when we're wearing the shirts that you
are i'm sorry
wait so you're saying you weren't wait
you're saying you're not wearing the
hide vis anymore
no not at all no okay that's a lot
because i do remember showing you a
picture and asking about your employees
in there and we discussed
that some of them that were wearing the
hi-vis oh the new guys sure
because they're a probation but you just
said you don't use them anymore because
they told you not to
but you did i wasn't wearing it no no no
no not you specific
is it your company are these people that
weren't doing the same thing as you said
so so you don't control what they wear
well sure okay so so you were telling
them to wear green contractors when they
were their greens those are the
contractors that i had and i
unfortunately can't afford to get them
new shirts okay so you said the green
guys
yeah the green was because they were
probationary correct right okay
so you were providing them with the
green the high viz whatever you call
that color
so you just told me that they told you
not that the sheriff's office people
told you not to wear it anymore
they told you to wear gray right they
told you not but but you continued to
wear those too
i didn't just like you're saying yeah
you used
to like you love how you just did that
too about the sheriff's office yeah you
didn't right you
you weren't wearing i was wearing the
gray like i was but you were still
wearing the same green jackets that
looked just like it
well the jackets never changed they
never asked us to change our jackets
okay you can get the recording
i know captain chapman recorded it okay
if you you
you seem to have all these other
recordings that you're listening to and
watching as well as dr phil
show so you can get the recording from
captain chapman
well the reason i asked is about the
like the badge and the wings
right is because on the dr phil show you
specifically said
that the only place that you know that
that has that symbol
is you think ohio and los angeles our
logo
for our bikes right which is the motor
wing no no
no it's a point right with a wheel in it
on the windshield wait wait no no is
that what that is
that that's the motor wings that we wear
on our shirt wait is that a motorway
crest on the bottom or top that clearly
identifies is that a motor wing with
wheels
with a wheel okay right is that a is
that motor wings with the wheels no in
fact we don't even wear that patch we
we don't wear that so we can have so we
can distinguish that we're not
central florida or florida law
enforcement and we've never worn green
and we've never worn white
and i think you said that nobody has the
color vehicles of yours
uh so right you said nobody else has the
color vehicle as yours but like you get
out of miami-dade that's the same
vehicle you go to
ocoee same vehicle right they didn't
have those cars
those colors when i started right but
you can do the research
in fact ocoee didn't change their cars
until black and white until 2015.
yeah and and you have sirens on your
bikes and air horns everything that
makes you look like a cop we have air
horns you have sirens
some of the bikes still do because they
come from the apartments and we get them
second hand from agencies
but anyways what are we talking about
right now i thought we were talking
about that i was carrying a weapon
concealed and that wasn't
that is it's not concealed okay how is
it concealed
if i had that on my pocket it would look
the exact same way it looks like it was
in my pocket it's you're right my belt
it's enclosed in a holster to the point
where you cannot tell if that's real or
not
and then when you take it out you still
can't tell it's real or not until you
eject the magazine that's the only way
we didn't tell me tell me what on here
without taking the magazine out tell me
just look at it
what do you see on here that tells you
it's less lethal i don't know i'm not a
police officer
it's your gun right you haven't studied
this gun no i'm not a police officer
well i am and i can tell you with over
in plain view
for the florida south almost 25 years
the law enforcement and i can tell you
this looks real you you pulled your
phone out like 15 times and looked up
things go ahead and pull up 970 and
let's read it together
oh i know what it says okay so let's
pull it out let's put it together
this my friend is concealed this my
friend is not for the purpose
it's not it's for the purpose of
self-defense if somebody goes in
and holds up a bank i didn't hold up a
banquet listen to me
no no listen if somebody holds up a bank
somebody commits a crime with this
in going to a far-off storyline
i didn't rob a bank no i didn't rob a
gas station i didn't go into a gas
station
and tell him i was a cop or give me
something for free because i have a gun
on
what i was doing was riding down i-4
going to my escort
with my les lethal in plain view not
wearing a jacket not wearing anything
over it so it can
clearly be seen like it has jeremy since
20.
if you can tell me on here what makes
all the way down to the safety on the
trigger
okay if you can tell me any
distinguishing marks that would make
somebody believe
that this is not a firearm by looking at
it right there you're looking at this is
your gun
so then why am i not being charged with
open carry
listen no no why am i not being charged
with open carry of a firearm then
corporal ramsay
because after examination it obviously
is not a
firearm it is doesn't matter concealed
is concealed no no the statue for you
the statute for you is very clear that
you cannot conceal
less lethal correct that is incorrect
okay so you can put pepper spray in your
pocket and walk down the street with it
i can carry less lethal as long as it's
in a plane view oh in my pocket no
you're right
okay so so you you the statue says it
has to be
in plain view right plain view which is
on my belt
in plain view wearing it the way it
looks is not in plain view
after it was determined you're asking me
why it wasn't open carry
you argued so i can't tell you listen
okay i'm asking you to read the statue
i'm telling you why arguing about it you
are the only one are you you won't let
me tell you
so that way you can then use that
against me but at the end of the day
nothing changes i've been wearing that
like that since 2015 we're saying 16 now
so so since 2015 or 16
and we've had everybody understanding
that that's less lethal
even you know it's less lethal i don't
listen to me
i am telling you i saw this when he
brought it in
i thought i thought this was the other
deputy's belt when he brought it in
because
i was like why do i read his belt ask
him i said why do you
he goes no this is jeremy's i go uh
that's a real gun
stop you and i both know we've talked
about it before
we've talked about it multiple times
that you know i carry less lethal
sergeant viddler knows it's less lethal
why is it only you and sergeant viddler
that are arresting me for carrying a
concealed weapon
i didn't arrest you today did i oh i'm
sorry then why are you here questioning
me
okay where's the captain of the
lieutenant that i've asked for
because i know that email exists i wish
i had my phone so we could go ahead and
pull it up i can show it to you
um i'm confused why we don't have the
lieutenant captain i keep asking for it
well first uh first of all let me tell
you that's not how it works
okay for some reason you think when you
demand
somebody to come in and talk to you it's
higher up that you're going to get what
you want
it doesn't stop it doesn't work that way
okay okay it doesn't work that way
all right by us giving you that courtesy
of using the phone or anything like that
that's a courtesy that's out of respect
that's not just being nice
it's not required by us at all it's
funny okay so stop stop get it out of
your head
that when you demand a lieutenant or a
captain okay it's not gonna happen that
way
just like when you had it with uh over
in windermere it didn't happen that way
on the video you demanded demanded
demanded right right
it doesn't happen you're right okay so
stop thinking that
if they want to come down here and talk
to you that's out of courtesy that they
want to give you sure okay i understand
that
i just want to make sure you're aware of
that with all due respect and and going
on and on and on
not that i'm trying to you know blow
smoke up your ass or anything
you've always been very good and i
appreciate that
and i've always been respectful to you
just like the time when we were on the
side of the road and when i was acting
like i was going to run for
you just playing around and i respect
that and i respect what you're doing
and i understand but at the same time
you know i'm not doing what you guys are
trying to say
okay so jeremy you are always well you
are well let me ask you
okay let's put a couple things together
listen you like puzzles
no or listen you like connect the dots
well as i you got a little kid you're
gonna have to learn how to do these
things you like connect the dots because
i'm gonna connect some knots right here
hold on i'm gonna connect some dots for
you let me finish and then you can tell
me whatever you want
go ahead okay we're gonna connect some
knots sure this could be fun here we go
follow the yellow ball
that's right you're the yellow ball
because you got the bright shirt on
right shirt off
all right balance for you you ready go
ahead you walk into a 7-eleven
right you're wearing this belt sure
i'm the average joe at the calendar i
don't know that's a real firearm or not
okay well i was in the military so i'm
looking i go that looks like a real one
and then i look at you
okay and i go that's a badge
those look like kind of like motor wings
because i'm familiar with that sure he
looks like he's probably a chief or
something because of the stars
military general right look at the
patches on the side those look pretty
legit
and then i look at that expert badge for
rifle
and pistol right expert badge okay
so now i'm like well damn this got to be
a real gun he
why would he have that on why would he
have that on anyway so
when you start putting everything
together and you're wondering why
because look what you wear and look how
you draw attention to yourself to make
people believe
that this is a specific outfit a
specific purpose all right
so here's my question about that we're
going to go from there
why do you wear that badge because you
were arrested
at age 18. hold on you couldn't be an
expert in a firearm
so my next question is to you when did i
tell the guy behind the counter at the
7-eleven
that one i was a police officer and
where does it say police officer
anywhere on my clothes doesn't have to
and when did i tell him to get from
behind the counter or do something that
was
long no no no no standing at the counter
notices you
standing not behind accounting you you
forgot to see the guy that's next to me
in line
when did i tell him to step back or get
away from me
or you know we're just saying an
observation everything everything's
connected
a police officer okay when does that
person realize you're not a police
officer
i'm sorry when do they realize you're
not personate a police officer because
what you just described
i never said you were impersonating a
police officer you just said that no i'm
asking you
i just i never brought the word of
personally a police officer
dude no i said so when you wear trying
to imply that because i wear this and i
wear my uniform
that i'm trying to show we're law
enforcement we're not law enforcement
and i know that we're not why do you
wear an expert badge i'm happy to not be
law enforcement
i'm happy with the amount of money that
i make i'm happy with owning my own
business
i don't get up in the morning and say
let me get dressed and go pull somebody
over that's not what i do
i have but that's not what you normally
do i've never pulled anyone out
please show me where you see that uh
jeremy
i i've showed you the videos you saw me
pull somebody over
absolutely i got behind somebody and lit
them up with a siren
and then told them to get over and then
i got off my vehicle and walked up to
them
and said you were doing this or this or
this or that
yeah actually i got a very specific
video for that never happened
so it never happened never happened so
seminole county
where the guy who looked really confused
was in a funeral escort
you were escorting uh oh what motorcycle
group is that
i see you're already wrong nope nope you
are escorting a funeral for a correction
officer who died but they were also
part of a motorcycle group that was
there
uh wow the wild not the wild buffalo
buffalo soldiers
buffalo soldiers very good guys yeah
because i know a few of them in there
very good
so that's how i was able to get some
additional information that's how i knew
his correction officer good
because i was able to call him he died
in the line of duty that is correct
uh so you know some reason when you and
alan and vittler put the videos online
you made it look like first
it was a police funeral and i didn't say
it was a police funeral i said this is a
law enforcement
funeral and i said style because she was
a corrections officer killed in the line
of duty
okay so well she wasn't she yeah she she
was
she got out of her vehicle to work with
the guys on the side of the road she was
on duty
somebody hit her and killed her right
right right so it's not like what you're
making it sound like she was shot or
anything
no beat up like but beat up or killed so
are you telling me if an orange county
deputy no no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no no no no no no no no no no no no
no no i'm just calling
while on a traffic light the way you
were making his sound i want to make
sure
in the line of duty yes the way you were
getting sound was like you know
so but i just want to make make sure
there's clear buttons so anyway
the point is we're talking about the
traffic stop stop we're talking about
the traffic stop
this is after you lost your credit this
is after you lost your credit card
which you didn't lose it you thought you
did because i watched the video over and
over again my credit card yeah because
you were doing the funeral and you
almost ran out of gas
and while you were stopped you got off
your bike you pulled the credit card out
of your wallet
and you stuck it in your side pocket but
then when you pulled up to the pump you
couldn't find it and you were freaking
out and you were on the radio talking to
whoever or
however you do your communications
through your phones you're like just
lost i just got that credit card
and then you got gas and you got back in
the escort when you got back in the
escort you came up to i think it was
4 14 or whatever it was you're turning
left
and a car got into the escort i believe
it was a silver car
the guy kind of looked like he's off a
little bit and he was confused
and you're yelling at him hitting your
siren siren siren yelling at him
screaming tell him get out
pull over pull over pull over you're
telling him siren
air horn lights are going okay and
you're ordering him
to pull over jess was there i'm saying
me wait
it was you sure it's me 100 100 100
how do you know how do i know right i'm
glad you asked that i'm gonna get to it
okay because
it's awesome how i get there so you get
up
jess is in the intersection in the suv
jess is out of the vehicle she's trying
to stand in front of the vehicle
yelling at him to pull over it was just
because i wasn't there so 100
positive because it's a black female no
not just because it's a black female oh
okay so you yell yes i have three
or i had three you yell yes
get out of the way she yells it back at
you jeremy
and you're like no get out of the way
it's clear oh
very clear so very that's that's the
first identifiable way of identifying
you but
so you're yelling at the guy to pull
over and as he starts to pull forward
more so he can get out of the
intersection
you start beating this car all the way
up i mean you're beating it hard
uh and then this guy's frantic now
he pulls to the corner to the side you
are off your bike
i'm off my bike off your bike okay put
the kickstand now i haven't seen this
you won't
have to watch it oh you saved it because
it was in your favorites jeremy's
favorites on your computer i love how
you guys keep saying
you're the one that made it so no no
that's the funny part but that's okay
yeah so you walk up to the car
like this i walk up like that oh yeah
you have that on video oh yeah
and it was the weirdest thing but man
when the sun's out just right
and people have tenant windows it's
almost like a mirror
and you can clearly see your hand like
this walking up
and you're cursing at the guy telling
him to stay there and what is his deal
and the guy's like i oh yeah and you're
like i don't care shut that f
up and you stay right there and then you
walked away
and i know you hit the car so hard
because
a couple of traffic stops down when you
stop and take an intercept
well you'd stop that intersection where
you stopped in the next intersection
you get off and you're saluting as the
vehicle went by and you're talking about
oh my god my arm hurts so bad from
beating that car
oh those are your words i said that you
said that yeah so
so when you say have you ever pulled
somebody over well i would say that's a
traffic stop yeah i don't
remember that and i definitely don't
remember making a traffic i don't
remember the guy in the porsche
that you wanted to fight yeah that guy
didn't make a traffic stop
okay yeah that guy's not a traffic stop
okay i rolled up next to him my lights
weren't on i didn't use a horn nothing i
just say hey man what the [ __ ] can you
use a horn car
you didn't use anything well i use my
motorcycle horn you don't have a
motorcycle horn you have a police horn
and you did use that and you're saying
you didn't have lights on
it's an air horn i did not have lights
on well i'm sure you got the video
well if not i i've heard it was on dr
phil so i mean you were watching
right i didn't see that guy in there oh
you know what i think i did yeah yeah
yeah that's on the doctor phil show yes
dr phil because wait because you told
that that's right you know what
now that you said that i remember
because you told dr phil well that's
because they didn't show you the rest of
the video
well where the guy almost hit me right
well the guy never almost came close to
him
very close i was there i watched the
whole video
you say so i watched the whole video
start to finish but when did i
impersonate
if i didn't light them up and i didn't
use my siren so you tell me you didn't
turn any lights on
so when you come out next to the car and
you see the flashing lights on the side
of your bike in the window that's not
you
never turn my lights on that's not true
are you a state agent i don't know what
you're talking about right now why
aren't we talking about the case
corporal well no i mean you said that we
were but you and i thought we were
talking about how i was carrying this
concealed you said you never tried to
stop him i'm just giving you what i
never made
traffic stop okay in fact that gentleman
then threatened me
and that's why we got off the bike and
we wanted to fight that's not a law
enforcement thing well first of all he
didn't threaten you he just said
whatever he asked if you're a cop
that was the second when he stops at the
second light and he
me and the other guys which they were
recording too uh
which you know you were the only one by
that time the other ones had peeled off
no that's what you're incorrect well
three motors
okay we were already in formation so we
had one on the right and two behind me
and and they were there and then he
rolls down his window
we're not even looking at him or talking
to him in fact we were just cruising
along
we come up to a light then he rolls down
his window and he starts talking [ __ ]
and i'm like yeah that's right
what did he say when he rolled down the
window what's the first thing he said to
you he said
uh he said [ __ ] boy really and i said
yeah that's right what about it
yeah that's your typical when somebody
doesn't know what you want you that's
your
comeback line whatever you say so well
it is i mean every video i've seen when
they don't listen to you whatever you
say
so so at that point he says i'll beat
your ass i said let's go
let's go and then he's like i don't
think that's how it worked but okay
you probably should watch that again
then yeah because i know that for a fact
because when he takes his seatbelt off
and acts like he's gonna get out of the
car that's when i get off my bike
really yeah because he's threatening and
he's saying let's go over here
no don't let's not do it here let's go
over here let's let's go yeah
so i'm sorry because i lost my temper
i wasn't professional at me i i've
apologized for that
um there's no reason for the contact to
begin with you just you're right he
doesn't like the fact that he was
speeding which i don't know how you
could tell what did you do
that's what you told him almost hit us
you never said that to him what you told
him was
that's where you're incorrect now what
you told him was you were speeding when
he changed
and you you cut through the intersection
to avoid the light
he cut through the no no no not to avoid
the light it was because
he went through the turn lane and then
he come back over not to avoid the light
or listen we're wasting our time not to
avoid the light
and that's why he almost hit us because
he used the turning lane to go around us
and then he almost hit the front of my
motorcycle which caused me to almost
bump into the guy that was right next to
me
of course thank god which side did he
come up on on my left
and thank god we have the training how
many lanes are right there
you sure he you sure you weren't in the
center and he came up on this side
no and he went by you on this side and
then passed over nope
we were in the far left lane and he used
the turning lane right by the same place
where they
redid that front for guess who wait
[ __ ] hand wait so they were in the
guy that used the car sergeant biddlers
changed the storyline about
how i pulled him over i wasn't even in
the intersection
just before i forget to i want to
clarify i just want to clarify one thing
for you yeah
are we waiting for i have because the
lieutenant and the captain's not coming
right i have reas
i don't know i have released zero videos
i i keep saying you i'm sorry zero i am
not aware of
anybody that i work directly with like
like fiddler or anybody else
that has released videos now i can tell
you
i have received i have received a
records request
from somebody from youtube and i
couldn't even tell you who the name was
j horowitz is that who it was oh yeah i
don't know
i just know i received it and and i blew
it off because i want to know part about
i was trying to stay away from it but
because there was a records request on
the sunshine law
i had to no i i know fulfill it what's
funny if you look at that request came
after guess what the videos that were
already on his website hey if you look
at when he when he requested it and when
i responded to it
it's a considerable amount of time now i
was on vacation a couple times in there
again but it was spittled
but he was requesting anything on
jennifer listen
the one that was the one that was
blackmailing you
you remember that one time you remember
her i apologize for my demeanor
in no time have i ever said that you've
done anything immoral or
problem okay i don't make sure because
so i i intentionally make sure i steer
clear of any of that so nobody can
ever accuse me of that when they ask for
emails i gave them everything they asked
for at no time have i ever
thought you or anyone that's with you
has anything to do with that all right
so
at no time would i ever ever imply that
as well and i'm glad you're rolling your
camera because you can use that later on
down the road
well that's fine i don't i don't think i
know in my heart that i haven't i know
midler hasn't so
yeah that's a lot what viddler that's a
lie
so save that [ __ ] for somebody else
and don't as far as i know
don't listen listen don't make
statements that you're not for sure
well i'm making a statement for sure
that i have no knowledge if you're
saying you know something i don't
that's all yeah again i've never said
you and i would never say you
whether you like me or not i don't
really the give a [ __ ]
day corp i know you're not doing
anything you're just
following the rules i guess they're
following along the beat line
no no b-line i just i yeah this is what
we're here to talk about where's the
corporal
the lieutenant of the catholic i'd
imagine that if viddler's getting him
they're probably reviewing the body cam
and all that stuff if i had to guess
i don't know again oh i thought you got
a
tattoo to try to cover up your scar but
that's just your scar no no tattoos
that would be that would be a violation
of my registration
so again but to get a tattoo or not to
tell him you got a tattoo
i don't know actually i think you can
get them really
see i don't know because i don't even
mess with it just like the internet
you know there's over 30 jeremy duet
facebooks
and i don't even have one i don't even i
don't even [ __ ]
mess with that stuff for that reason but
anyways
you know what it just made me think of
something else i i just i gotta ask the
question of
okay so i'm looking at your name tag so
if you go out how do you spell your last
name i don't know
you know what happened was they printed
it wrong so that helped that
on that yeah i got to get a new one yeah
so it's funny because
it seems like when you want to avoid
people being able to look up your direct
name to figure out who you are it's
always spelled that way
in fact if you look it up without it
it's still spelled
it's a funny thing that uh the day you
were talking to mike green
on the phone when he had the meeting
with the sheriff and
and mike called you up and told you that
the whole investigation will be shut
down and they're going to investigate
viddler and i remember that conversation
honestly i'm not going to lie to you i
don't remember that i'm going to help
you you were on your motorcycle uh-huh
it was right after the windermere arrest
right
and shortly after we'd arrested you so
you're riding down the road
you mean when you arrested me in the tow
truck correct okay so you're riding down
the road
and mike bream calls you because you
were doing the ambulance business with
them too
so you're writing with him but
okay so you're writing down the road and
he
is talking to you on the phone telling
you how he just met with the shirt
and i'm going to tell you that the
sheriff's because he knows that there's
evidence out there you're not going to
lie
so it's been confirmed so
you're right down the road you're on the
phone with them right you're talking to
them okay
now you're gonna say there's no way you
could hear because of the wind and
everything
and you're almost 100 right there until
you got to your driveway and then we
could clearly hear his voice in your
voice because you're talking back and
forth
but man we have these forensic guys
they're like like disney they cleared it
all up
so the point is and that when you had
your discussion
with him about how the sheriff was
shutting it all down one of the things
came up was
in that video because you were recording
it in that video when you walk in your
house
i was recording or i left my body camera
on i i don't know what you did jeremy
but it was recording isn't that funny
hold on wait wait isn't that funny how
you guys always say that
oh you were recording the state
attorney's office are you recording this
person
but it was my body camera still running
but it you didn't charge me for
you know it's funny wait wait wait wait
wait let me get this wait wait i just
realized
you didn't charge me for recording
michael breen accidentally
because it has something to do with the
sheriff and them
actually admitting that the sheriff was
part of them talking about my case
so i didn't get charged with that
because then that would show online
that the sheriff was talking to somebody
about my case and they
felt that the case wasn't legitimate but
you didn't charge me for recording him
accidentally
but you charged me for recording that uh
what's her name heather helen whatever
accidentally
and you charged that was accident yeah
okay
i had the phone in front of me while i'm
talking to her on speakerphone
and you intentionally activated the
camera because it was not recording
prior to that it's only when you called
it but
that's beside the point because and like
the state attorney when you talked about
the state attorney
when you have your phone here
right okay and you intentionally start
your camera and you're recording the
conversation and you end it and you end
it right at the end of the conversation
it doesn't keep that's the same thing
the same thing with with uh
oh what was his name that you're renting
uh the property from while rafa lee road
oh tony
tony okay just like with him when when
you stole the money from him for the tow
truck i stole money
well kind of in a roundabout way you did
yeah so
when you told him you were gonna put the
lien against your two vehicles and then
you came in and told me that you didn't
that he did it that he lied about it and
he must have gone into the dmv and then
i told you i was waiting on the
paperwork and it and it came back
good it came back with all your
signatures on it my signature absolutely
your signature
but here this is what makes it worse is
you said you never did that you never
took any money from him
but you recorded videos of him right
and in fact wait wait you got the camera
in like this
and i hid it it was on the counter and
guess what the signs in my office
clearly state that
and at all times audio and visual
recordings yeah and which money is
remaining in the meeting
and he says uh what did he say he said
um
i was going to give you the loan and i
said i know and i x it out you didn't
give it to that's not what you said
that's not what you said right okay
that's not what you said at all okay
because you recorded it
and and for somebody who didn't take it
and you're going to say you exit out so
what
so why would he ask you for the keys and
you go here you go
your wife was there too you go here you
go here are the keys you give him the
keys to the vehicles
and he says to you well which ones are
they and your comment back the smart
outlet kind of way that you are
is you want me to say that you want to
say it no i don't even remember
oh you say something to the effect of uh
aren't you a car sales guy
wouldn't you know good one that's a good
one yeah hey you know what's funny is uh
it's like wait wait let me you know the
other people were telling jokes
um the other day uh i forget who it was
and i wish i knew it was because it was
funny as hell
um he's directing traffic at the
football stadium
for a game and one of my guys was
driving
and uh riding and driving driving
driving and he counts
he tells uh them to stop and um
they roll down their window and he goes
you know what this means
you guys direct traffic all the time you
should know what this that was
i'm sorry it was just funny it was that
was a smart ass comment and that was
funny i even laughed i was like man that
was that was good that was a good one
so yeah so for somebody who didn't get
the money why would you give them keys
to the car
to the trucks and you told them this is
the tow truck you specifically said tow
truck
truck or tahoe right because we had to
give him the key so he could move the
vehicles that were going to be parked on
the law
just those two vehicles right because
only those two are going to be there to
where
not the ambulances those were in their
own slots
right so the tow truck and the tahoe are
going to block the
then so then when he talks about
the lien and the title and you told him
what
i don't remember i honestly don't
remember well you didn't tell him i
scratched it out i'm not doing it
i don't know what you told him we both
signed it oh i have the piece of paper
right now and we both signed it
what you said was i'm hoping to get down
there by friday
in court court you said i'm hoping to
get down there by friday listen damn
that's a nasty score i never realized it
was that bad listen
i mean on all your videos where you say
it's not you and you hold up your arm
you can see the scar
you don't see that at all oh you do you
do but it's okay
but you do you don't you see this you
don't oh you do but i never realized it
was that bad down the hill though it's
okay
you don't so because motor one right
yeah if you say so
well whatever that whoever's riding that
motor that day is motor one so you don't
have to identify yourself as motor one
well if i'm on motor six i'm motor six
if i'm in the tahoe i say tahoe
how many videos do you have while you're
out there saying motor six how many
videos do you have out there when you're
in the tahoe and you say
motor six or a tahoe movie all the time
right all right so you don't say motor
one moving
no if i'm in the tall or the two fifteen
the funniest thing man somebody just
recently showed me
a video and it's funny because jennifer
the person who is blackmailing you
trying to extort money out of you i
don't know who that is i can't remember
her name yeah
the girl that was exploring sorting
money right yeah jennifer
and she's now like i guess working with
you or was i don't know if she still is
never worked for me yeah just recently
there's a video because somebody asked
me to listen to it and says that
jennifer and i go
uh that's jennifer because i clearly
know a voice i've talked right now what
video
so it's funny because you're in the
tahoe
and you say motor one moving and
you're driving right by here at one
point because you looked over at the
jail and you said there's home
yeah it was this should be my new home
that was the 250 that wasn't the tahoe
and that wasn't yeah
you're right it was a truck and you were
motor one and that wasn't jennifer
okay that's okay it was jennifer but
that's okay uh it wasn't jessica and
that wasn't jennifer
okay although you keep trying to imply
that i have a relationship with jessica
like you did when you went to my house
to my wife at no time do i have a
relationship with jessica and we haven't
had a relationship in a very long time
but i appreciate you you did though you
did for a very short time okay but very
shortly but listen listen
you had a relationship with her for a
very short time right if it's a day
it's a relationship right you know that
you're now the morality police
i'm not i don't care but you're the one
who's in there
and you said i never had a relationship
right now you're saying at least you're
being honest a little bit and saying it
was very very short time so at least
thank you for being honest very short
time
relationship well i i don't i don't know
what your wife knows or don't know but
at the same
time every man or not maybe not every
man
most men have had confusions in their
marriage
when they fix it it's how they fix it
move on that's the right way
so i know and and obviously that worked
for you because
you're still with your wife and of
course and you've had a uh a beautiful
baby she's very beautiful
yeah so um she's the greatest thing in
the world
so so back to tony so yeah that's
basically stealing money from him you
stole it from him
did you pay him anything did you pay him
did you put the money from him
okay did you put the lien against the
vehicles that you told him you would you
got it on video
never and then wait and then like two
weeks later three weeks later you have
another video
you hid this camera you can say that one
was out on the open
but this one you hid what do you mean
you stuck it between a bag
a backpack and it looks like a can or
something and your wife's sitting there
and she's looking at you like really and
you're like and so then tony finally
comes in because he's taking a long time
wait
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
you were going off on him you were going
off on him
because he wanted the titles and you
told him that he has to prove to you
blah blah blah
so why would you have that conversation
about the title
he never gave me the money so why would
i give him this is way after you already
had the vehicle
no yeah yeah if you didn't give me the
money why would i ever give him the
titles
he did give you the money that's how you
went and bought it no
bottom what are you talking about the
tow truck
bought the tow truck bought the tow
truck
no no if that was the case then why
would he then not come repo my cars
well jeremy because i never took the
money and wait wait it's funny that
there's it's funny that there's a lien
against your tahoe
and there's a lien against the truck and
it's your signature
it's your signature at the occuli office
signing in you know it's funny
you wanna you know what's really funny
is the lien got put on
mine 250
not the tow truck because
when whoever took the titles out of my
office because they had a key
that's that's what you told me last time
right whoever took the titles out of my
office because they had a key for my
office
obviously didn't read 550 and 250 well
enough
they just grabbed the ford 250 title
thinking
that was the top the tow truck what year
is the tow truck
it's the same as the truck no it is not
yes it is nope they're both open
we had this no they're not one's no 7
108 we had this discussion
and you know what you did the exact same
thing when we interviewed last time this
is exactly how you acted the last
time you're saying so sorry i don't i'm
telling you i hear you
but i know i didn't bar take the money
listen never got the money yeah hold on
wait
so wait back to what you were saying
about how the camera was set up
that is correct because we were in the
process of moving so already the
security cameras were taken down
however the sign that says you're being
audio and visual recorded at all times
was there at the front door so it
doesn't matter if i put the camera
in a squirrel in between my wife's tits
in my ass i can record audio and
visually
while you're in my office because the
sign is clearly outside when you walk in
that door
and then what's funny is because i read
some a little bit [ __ ]
i put one by the door but then i put one
on the back wall so when you
walk in the back wall where i'm sitting
you can clearly see it again so
yeah i i hear you all right i guess
that's why you guys didn't charge me for
recording him
no because you were able to figure out
that i had those signs
i can only imagine because i mean you
charged me for talking to that young
lady
what's her name while my body camera was
on so
but it's whatever which is funny because
i really don't even know how you guys
charged me with that
being the fact that i was in seminole
county when i made the phone call
so that's not even an orange county
charge where was she at
she was in seminole county too no she
lives in orange county
oh okay well i understand that's where
the crime was committed then
got it yeah [ __ ] you should have been a
cop
i'll wait no too late yeah [ __ ] that up
hey listen whatever you say why are we
stretching this out why are we talking
about it that's not relevant
i'm waiting for miller to just like you
oh okay and
he's obviously not back
we're waiting for you guys to pop up
some uh
uh workman's comp lady like last time oh
no no
waited for hours wait wait we talked we
interviewed you bullshitted me and you
tried
[ __ ] you drew what the [ __ ] this is
listen hear me i'm gonna be honest
jeremy i'm gonna be completely honest
with you good at [ __ ] lying you're a
good liar
i don't
until that woman showed up from downtown
you did a good job
okay when you're done let me know yeah
go ahead are you done yeah sure can i
talk without it i'm just interrupting
just i thought we were [ __ ] yeah but
we're just going to be quiet so i can
tell you
because i don't have to keep talking
over each other okay so
that particular day she was sitting in
the room next door the entire time
she got there 30 minutes before you did
so she was sitting there the entire time
that's fine so when you say we
were bullshitting you waiting for her to
get there no she was already there
how convenient it doesn't matter i have
contractors not employees
anyways but anyhow um yeah so
what are we drawing this out for are we
getting the lieutenant captain i
i i can tell you viller went away i know
he's typing the report and
he's in another room typing the report
and i would imagine he's also probably
looking or talking to the captain
because i'm sure they're going to know
that you were arrested
right so for open carrying of a
less lethal device which
which which you know what it says as
long as you pick which side of the hair
you want and i'll pick which side i want
okay i'm not charging you with anything
it's starting miller that's charging
yourself so the statute says
as long as it's not
um a taser or a stun gun
or um a dart firings taser
that i can clearly carry it and open
uh in the open for self-defense purposes
and that's what that is on my right hip
in clear view
the fact it's so clear that viddler
drove up next to me looked to make sure
i had it on
before then falling back behind me and
lighting me up he's probably gonna drive
past you and then he realized holy crap
that looks like a real guy oh we saw him
coming
from two x's back so while he was
waiting for reeves to back him up
i don't know i wasn't there i was i was
literally
getting ready to pull in here when he
called me and said he was coming in with
you
someone asked me to talk to you yeah
and instead of doing dumb [ __ ] you know
dipping here going here flipping off
there what's the point
well i was respectful waited for him to
light us up pulled over
contracts and tell them who i was i
didn't go to anything
you weren't a part of it not you yes
that's why i'm laughing because
goddammit look at you you're like
i'm learning i'm getting old but you can
teach me i am getting old but you can
teach me still
but i can tell you right now i don't
know how much you can be taught because
you would think by now you would think
by now you would change some of your
habits and you don't yeah
the the two tow truck companies that we
had contracts with
the main supervisors there you know
described middle ear to a t
and that actually one of them still has
his business card and how he came in
and told them about who i am and about
what i'm
charged with and all the outstanding
charges and then told him that
so so we're gonna rain on him all right
where'd you get your boots at
it's online it is yeah where
they're out of california um you know if
i had my phone what's funny is i
actually have a screenshot of it because
i
i posted it i wrote down the information
for somebody on
the so they can put it on youtube i
forget the place
and i forget the name of the company but
you just need to look up
denir half calf
um boots and um
they pop up they're like the second down
they're in california
um hold on let me look it up right now
spell it spell it trigger
d-e-n-e-e-r and i think
okay denier half cap
half cap all black motorcycle riding
boots
it's a weird company it's like a
it's like uh their site is a brown this
the website's brown
i'm very bad with names no you're not
you're better than what you think but
you claim to be
i'm very bad with names um that's why
everyone has call signs because i can't
[ __ ] remember that
but yeah come in the reason i ask is
because they're not making them anymore
the company oh yeah yeah
oh well i just saw that website the
other day i was actually looking i was
thinking about getting a new pair
because my my heel's starting to stove
it's pissing me off
yeah that's what's happening with all of
ours and the problem is put my boots on
yeah the problem is is that uh the
company that makes them
this particular kind the same as yours
oh you have the same ones we have the
exact same boots man
oh you have this lace up on the side
yeah yeah the buckle yeah
normally the buckle would be on the
inside no it would be on the uh
the uh full boot with the steel toe oh
but that's why i asked where you got
yours because i noticed the buckling up
the lace
so but i'm not seeing it i'm gonna have
to try to find that
yeah that it's when you open it
it looks like a leather cobbler kind of
company like they just do leather goods
you know what i'm saying a leather
things um but they they deal
they're a denier um authorized vendor
yeah i have to find that site because
we're looking to to stay with it one of
our guys he got new boots
but they basically ordered online and
they ordered them
basically they're mounted boots the
mounting horses yeah
so they come all the way up to his knee
and when you
sit it pokes in the back of the leg uh
you know i was there for four years i'm
mounted so and it's
and yeah so it's not a good boot at all
we had all of ours altered for that
purpose so it wouldn't come all the way
up
you always get some shitty chippewa
those aren't bad boots that's what they
use but that's kind of what they're
going to not the chippewa though because
they're lighter but they're going to
that same style
these are not the dinero
riding boots nope best online no
you know what's funny is somebody in the
youtube channel sent
multiple warnings saying that i was
going to be arrested today
really yeah said you guys had something
for me today
that was so weird and it just happens to
be that it happened that is
extraordinary because uh
i don't believe that for a second 100
percent
i'm telling you 100 percent all right
go ahead i haven't bullshitted you no
you might [ __ ] about some things
but i'm not well i don't [ __ ] about
anything but but you've seen that
everything that
you don't put in correct context you
later on called [ __ ] but that's okay
i'm telling i'm telling you nobody was
aware that you were gonna be riding down
the road today
in that area those guys are that viddler
and reeves both are aggressive driving
right they're county-wide
on the highways for aggressive driving
that's what they're out doing right
so it wasn't like they were out looking
for you if you say so
i'm i'm telling you a hundred percent
they were not out looking for you we
have the email
or the the comment the three comments in
a row that
says that you were gonna be arrested
today yeah okay but where did that come
from
i don't know okay and that's the thing
is i don't believe in coincidences
i can't help you with i don't knows
because uh i'm i'm telling you
that nobody knew where to look for you
or even looking for you today we do not
you think that you're like the only
thing we think about when we wake up in
the morning go to bed at night but it's
not
really so how did your your multi-agency
meeting you and viddler did together
go multi-agency where you guys had the
slide presentation and you changed the
slides and all that
when was that uh with flagler and
volusia
and seminole and um i think
i don't know at the beginning of this
whole rigmarole two years ago
yeah in 2019 two years ago right okay
well
first of all never met with flagler
second of all they weren't there
never met with never met with volusia
okay never met with felucia uh what
other counties did you say it was
seminole
never met with seminole yeah they were
on the list
then we met with seminole yeah at a
hotel some kind of hotel
forum slash convenient conference room
or whatever
never happened okay no never did
i don't know what you got but right if
there was a presentation
shown it would have been me that had
done the presentation and i can assure
you
i did no presentations in a hotel with
anybody but
you just said that it was in 2019
2019 is when we were doing the
investigation with you that's how i know
it's 2019.
right okay did you not do a hotel or a
presentation or a meeting with a bunch
of agencies and motor units
no no no never happened
oh well if you say so they
met with i met with
osceola the captain over there for the
traffic section
to turn over body cam for
the one guy that was a volunteer for the
sheriff's office but he also
kind of worked for you directing traffic
never worked for me okay so never worked
for me
you guys ruined a poor old man that
never worked for metro state
ever i'm gonna tell you ever listen
we did nothing that poor man volunteered
16 years as a volunteer for this
sheriff's office well he didn't
volunteer 16 years that was incorrect
it wasn't that long i know it's what he
said it was incorrect oh how long was it
he also said when it was asked are you a
deputy he said
yes and showed his id like this to the
deputy
it was very clear on the camera then why
did they drop his charges
i i i don't know why they did whatever
all i know we didn't charge him
we didn't charge him no it's osceola
yeah so
they were pissed when they saw that the
reason they wanted the camera
video of it was not for the purpose of
arresting anybody
it was for the purpose of disciplining
the sergeant and the uh
the deputy there oh
inside the mosques and inside the
cemetery well the problem is he was
wearing a vest
that said sheriff's office on it or said
sheriff on it he was wearing a hat that
said deputy sheriff on it
and when he said that was her issue it
was a deputy hat was not issued i
guarantee it
and then on top of that and i know a
sheriff's vest was not issued because we
have specific ones but then on top of
that when he's
asked if he's a deputy it's very clear
the deputy the real deputy i'll see
hillary deputy goes
you deputy just like that because he
kept talking i remember that he
kept talking and he kept talking before
yes he said orange county 16 years
no he didn't actually say yes he said
orange county 16 years he goes
yes 16 years with orange county i didn't
hear yes
that's what he said 16 years he said yes
and he showed his volunteer id
so so and i i can tell you when we saw
that video
and we went to our psd we notified the
sheriff's office that we had it
because we didn't i didn't i'll tell you
i didn't want to get stuck with holding
that
and somebody goes oh well why didn't you
do anything so
i notified our agency of what it was and
when we figured out he was a volunteer
at the sheriff's office
right that's why we notified psd because
otherwise they're like so what just
somebody it's in osceola has nothing to
do with us
osceola heard about it and requested it
because they were looking to discipline
at least the sergeant but at the deputy
the deputy just come out of narcotics
he was not in his assigned vehicle and
apparently from what i understand their
assigned vehicles
uh have the body camera system in it
that connects to their body cam
so if they're not in the same vehicle i
guess it doesn't work i don't know i
don't know
the whole particulars on it but so
because that's what the deputy was in
not his regular vehicle but the sergeant
didn't have any excuses what they said
and so that's what they wanted it for
but then
obviously when they saw the video and
they realized this guy was impersonating
a deputy
and he was involved with you that that's
why they wasn't in charge of me
you were on the phone with one of your
guys talking right i was on the phone
with one of my guys i wasn't even there
right and you were on the speaker phone
telling the deputy
you were telling him right that he
doesn't need to do anything he needs to
let it go that he can do this that you
you guys yes you did
you weren't even there dude right but i
remember what i said
i didn't tell him he can't do anything
about it i said we're doing a funeral
escort
and they're not running blue lights and
you remember the video right
i i don't remember that part and i don't
remember what he said do you remember
when he first walked up the deputy
and he's talking to your guys and he
goes uh are you all cops because you
look like cops
who said that the deputy that i i don't
remember i'm sorry i honestly don't
remember that
but i i i i don't know he
he said he heard the siren but he didn't
mean he later on admitted that he was
the air horn
but that was the reason why he stopped
out with him um
so i i wasn't even there for that so i
do
not know you weren't you were just on
the phone right i do know that they use
the air horn
and he said asylum but he later then
told the sergeant
on video that it he didn't use the siren
it was only the arrow
unfortunately i don't the gentleman that
parked cars at the cemetery
came over to see what was going on
because they were causing a scene
and that's how all that transpired
because he never worked for us
never he's never heard of metro state so
he's just a nice very nice older man
that
was retired and worked for the mosque to
help and she made a bad decision that
day
again i didn't hear him say yes he said
orange county 16 years i didn't hear him
say yes
but you saying he did i haven't really
seen the video multiple times
so if somebody says oh you're a deputy
and you flash a badge or not or an id
card
volunteer id no he he sure just like
this
it would be like this because it looked
very similar to this
your says deputy sheriff his says in
clear red letters on a thing
no he had an older he had an older one
these are new that's one of the reasons
why we've changed ours
because the civilians had basically the
same thing and he went just like this
now if you work for the sheriff's office
his older id
civilians would be like this deputies
would be like this
okay so unless you worked here you
wouldn't know that
so when he went like this and then took
it back
it was long enough for the deputy to see
the sheriff's office emblem and it says
sheriff's office and all this stuff on
it so that's why he assumed he really
was a deputy
so you don't have to even say i'm a
deputy
just the fact that you're presenting
you're dressed in stuff that would be
a deputy sheriff and you're presenting
gives the impression to somebody that
you
are you don't have to say it right
remember just the mere presence of
right again none of my stuff says
sheriff or police or law enforcement
just like his just gives the impression
of
again he doesn't work for me he never
did but you but
you're a sanctioned uh agency what would
you do funeral estimates
you're a sanctioned agency and you're a
agent
that's what you've told people are we
changing subjects now no no i mean
you you went to the uniform and i'm
telling you you tell people so people
don't know if that's a new agency
hey i'll give you a good example agency
i'll give you a good example
daytona police sergeant on a motorcycle
yeah rides up on you and believes that
you are
some type of laundry voicemail about the
female yeah i miss never knew that i was
a cop she
even said we weren't cops oh no she
thought you're a real cop so full of
[ __ ]
i watched your videos even even
when she came back listen came back that
night because you were gonna complain on
her
when she came back that night she told
you
that she thought you were a cop and that
you led her to believe and
you you were very clever and you never
ever said that you were a police officer
what you said was we're a state agent
that's what you said
we're a state agent so we're talking
about the escort so
she said you're not law enforcement she
even said and she goes
your state agency goes from where and
you said orlando she goes oh you're out
of orlando and you said yes she goes
okay well
yeah we didn't know they thought you
were a security company and you go oh no
we're not a security company
i know that but that's what you told her
is no we're not a security company
so she's already telling you sweet that
they thought you were something
the truth i know which which no listen
what you did is you played on words and
she had to believe she believed that you
were some type of law enforcement agency
later on that evening she came back and
told you ah you fooled me but not again
but then we still do the escort out of
town yeah and what was funny is what
because what's really funny is that
because you
you and your verbo verbal judo that you
have you
you bullied her back into it yeah
because she told you
uh leave i'm arresting you for
trespassing and
your smart comment again you pushed your
bike or you rolled it however you got it
out
but you went out to the edge of the road
and parked right there on the white line
and you said
i don't have to move from here and all
you can do is give me a ticket you can't
arrest me
right oh i remember very clearly yeah
and
right because she was saying that she
should have taken action but she didn't
what she did is she wrote up closer to
you and she goes look
she goes we got off on the wrong page
let's start this again i shook your hand
and and told you next time you come into
town just
shoot an email let us know that you're
doing this and so that will wear where
so there's no issues
right yeah okay right so and what's
funny is that you brought that up
because the next time we have an event
like the tampa police officers
they didn't think you were a cop either
let's not get off on that then
the next the next time we come in there
we do the funeral
and we're actually on the daytona 500
grounds
we actually do the funeral and oh is
this the corvette run
well it's not a corvette run it's a
corvette run oh yeah your video is very
clear no no no
it's very clear wait what does the
statue say for funerals
for for for funerals for doing the
procession what does it say it's very
clear
that there has to be remains now they
had the cremated remains
it has to be going where to a cemetery
they were going to a cemetery
in the state of florida but that has
nothing to do with the stats it has to
be doing what it has to be a body
not that is incorrect that go back and
read it all right new
the new version says remains the new the
version that you were going off at that
time was not
but but let's let's just even go out of
there your thing up
uh when they're racing down i-95 and
you're talking about how you just shot
mother f i-95 oh yeah how you shut i-95
down
and somebody because you can hear it
talking back and forth and somebody
asked about the cops coming oh i'm sure
fhp's on their way here is good
or you know somebody's coming to this
and then and then that's when you're
walking by oh
is it a funeral you damn happy right
it's a funeral are you sure you have to
catch up are you talking about
your words or are you taking those words
from uh
victor lopez that no no no i i watched
your video right
so i listened to your video video where
whoever is there talks to the five motor
officers with daytona beach police
and they say just follow us you already
have clearance from fhp for the 95.
we'll go ahead and get you through the
lights they never said that but yes i
was right there better watch that again
i watched it because
there was a black guy that was riding
with you and you stopped before you got
to the
daytona police officer and you said turn
your camera on just in case something
happens
that's right just in case something
happens well i i don't know so i said
but that's what they oh that's what you
said
did you tell those guys that you were
recording them when you pulled up you
mean out in plain view in the sun
that's not alan plain view they were off
by by themselves on the side of the road
no anything outside her federal statute
says that i can record at any time
is this federal grounds it doesn't have
to be federal government
state law says something different state
law says anything outside
as long as there's no belief of
expectation of privacy outside right
were they out in the general public
right they were out in the general no
they were not who else was around them
what are you talking about we were out
on the street no who else was they were
not on the street they were pulled off
on
there the street okay well i'm not gonna
debate it but i i assure you
they had no knowledge that you were
recording them uh
but here no it doesn't matter the
purpose is that you said you were
recording because you wanted to see if
they're gonna say anything
and then you even said on the video i
can't believe daytona let us do this
they even said daytona beach approved it
and so did fhp
and they approved for you to shut i-95
down fhps has no knowledge of it tell
you that
well i can i know in your videos
daytona beach was the one that dealt
with it so we were just dealing with
daytona beach
when those guys got there they worked
with daytona beach pd
it was a photo and and
somebody else and a few others i really
don't remember this so long ago
so yeah and just like it wasn't you in
tampa right
that was somebody else too i don't know
what you mean oh when you had the
interaction with the tampa police
department in new york city
of course that was me you saw my face oh
only because we had the body camera from
the
the uh two officers because if we didn't
it was just your camera because your
camera was recording too
you would be like that's not me you
can't prove that's me well
it clearly is you we know that you say
uh it's not i say so it is
it's clearly you just said it but you're
my face that's why right so yeah
and so you don't think that they thought
you were a police officer no
in fact we tell them and then when the
corporal walks up
he says those guys aren't cops you have
it on video
well they didn't say you weren't not
cops that's not what they said exactly
what no
is it a sergeant or corporal i can't
remember corporal and that's not what he
said
he did he said we got the call and then
he walked up and he said
you know i'm looking at their you know
his uniform now and i can tell he's not
police
success go back and watch it if you
watch that video
anybody law enforcement fbi
president united states senate congress
average citizen on the road the homeless
guy
watch that video with you standing
against the wall
with two tampa police officers by that
time there was three there
and you're standing in line with them
you literally could not tell who the
police officer was i knew because i know
your face
anybody else looking at it thought
everybody there was a cop
so when you say this he walks up and
says no that's like you look
the exact dark blue uniform exact same
thing
exact same thing it's not what i say so
it's it's
it's legit so like when you told that to
phil you don't wear
the uniform you wear and nobody else has
that your lawyer even said
you know try to say that opd wears like
a a light brown or or
a light blue or something wear a blue a
light blue and there's a lighter the
tacky
khaki tank that's right you guys wear
the greens and wait so opt wears light
blue
only thing at opd that wears light blue
is the community service officers there
are police officers wear the dark blue
the exact same uniform that you wear and
ucf wears that
and uh i know stanford i don't know
about now but they used to wear that
because
i worked there many years ago it's not
black it's not black
no it's it's the same thing the dark
blues like what you wore
exact same thing but we don't wear white
which which
ultimately when they ask for photos uh
we don't wear white well you saw them in
florida you told them nobody in the
state of florida wears white which is
not true either that's not what i said
on the dark philly it is go back and
watch it all right
i said we were told when we first
started the company because i did come
here in the very beginning
and they said just make sure your lights
aren't red and blue
and make sure you're not wearing white
and of course we've never
ever ever worn white ever i don't have a
single white shirt
unless it's a suit shirt for my suit
okay so ah
so in took me off on this tangent so we
got
but what i was asking about your name
and how you leave the e out i was
telling you about the my the
the video with mike greenman hi when you
watched it because
conversation yeah which didn't get
didn't you didn't do the the charges for
recording
because it it would have brought out the
fact that he was talking to the sheriff
about the whole case
yeah i understand that so let me let me
tell you what that because
that was just so you would understand
which video we're talking about that's
when you walk in your house and
it was comical because uh you get a
letter from the state attorney's office
because you're supposed to report as a
witness i guess you were involved in an
accident
some girl hit you or something no no no
no you're
you're what your state witness your lead
state witness
uh stephen agron
committed armed kidnapping and robbery
and they wanted me to come as a witness
to testify that's how much you said that
you said it was for a car accident
no that's what it was for now you said
you said
car accident and your wife's like what
you remember the girl that hit me
they ran into me or something like that
yeah that's what i thought it was but
that's not what it was for
what it was for was for me to meet with
the gentleman that asked me questions
about steven negron
for the armed robbery that he committed
at the atm where they took the
hookah lounge man to the atm and they
forced him to take money out what
happened with his charges they dropped
him right
oh well they actually dismissed them
against negron right
yeah i don't really know what happened
well i'm telling you they dismissed him
so and you knew that so anyway uh
because she kept him working for you
i kept him working no matter what while
he was under the case
yeah yep why so so anyway let's get back
you still
look they actually got my name spelled
right
and you spell it out with the e you
leave the e off intentionally so people
don't give it off intentionally
it's funny but you drop it there it's
you try to leave it off of everything
you look at online i don't yeah you do
it doesn't matter because no matter how
you type my name whether with the
or without the e it shows who i am so no
it does comparables it does comparables
and somebody's looking
but if they're looking just for the the
wit without the e
they're not going to look any further
than that oh and because they forgot and
the state agency i didn't remake the
shirts
the state agent i just got it because
you said you know the daytona one
and you did this to fhp too you had fhp
a trooper believing that you were some
type of state agent too
i did yeah because your two-year
motorcycles were involved in an accident
oh the one where steven then races down
the road and pulls her over
and forces her to go back to the scene
the one where
the one wait the one that the one that
you on a pls score and you
haul ass over 120 miles an hour
are you sure that's what i can see oh
positive uh because
you get there and you identify yourself
to the trooper i don't have the video
as the owner but but you identified she
comes over and she asks you she comes
over and she asks you she goes
are you self-insured or
you're not so let me ask you a question
you have the video
of me supposedly as me racing to the
accident scene
but then for some reason you don't have
the rest of the video where it shows
steven
chasing the girl down obt and pull her
over get out of her his vehicle and go
knock on her window
and tell her to go back i have that all
in the video you have that on video
you want to give it to me no okay i
don't why don't you have it
you just told me you do no i didn't tell
you i had your video
told me i have your video that you have
a video of me responding there as fast i
could and you saw me get there
well i know for a fact because that same
video was that video
shows the motorcycle rider racing there
and then he's on obt
he's one traffic light away and he sees
steven negron chase this girl down
she's driving a white car pull her over
get out of the vehicle using the siren
and lights
get out you don't have sirens get out of
the vehicle knock on the window and make
her go back to the accident scene
isn't that weird you have that video you
just said
but yet you didn't charge him for
impersonation
uh that's convenient yeah because he's
your lead witness
i'm not sure that he's the lead witness
oh well the main witness
just like i don't know if you'd mean
that mr
pennywise hiding behind the bushes that
it was
res uh it was recycled is this a sound
is this when you were dressed up as a
bunny
yeah no not a bunny clown you was good
right wasn't that funny it was weird
it was it was weird man that was good
[ __ ] that was weird
so that was like almost like baker
hiding behind a bush and he knows him
are you was he waving at you
was he waving at you that day for what
at the intersection
no i wasn't there no okay so
he knows that steven's there i'm there
and
asap's there or randall and we didn't we
couldn't figure it out
but then we found out that it's because
randall was snitching wasn't that the
same day that the helicopter was up
no yeah it was
the helicopter was following us in pine
hills only they were orbiting in pine
hills wasn't that the same day that uh
you identified
a unmarked truck as a law enforcement
truck in the package
and told everybody to behave well yeah
of course i mean the police are there
why wouldn't we behave
the fact that so you don't behave when
the police aren't there of course we do
of course
but you know why would you have to say
that what do you mean i i mean i when i
go to work and my guys will work for me
i don't tell them hey the sheriff's out
today should behave
no that's that's unexpected if there's a
cop in the funeral
just make sure hey you're that much
better now
what you said was we're not we're not
running it normal we're gonna stop at
all the light you said it that's not
what i said but that's okay
and then that's the one where vittler
was hiding in the trees at the corner of
silver star
and apoca violet which is fine because
nobody was breaking any laws
but again you're
just told me that you have the video of
the motorcyclist responding to the car
accident
have you responding you're saying it's
me it's because you get off and you
immediately identify yourself as the
owner of the company to the trooper
you ask about the bikes and the damage
to them if the trooper wasn't
there no you're right it wasn't there
yet
when you walk up the lady in the white
car is there you can see the blacks
showed up later on no i did come i came
in the 250 that's there
no you seen it you didn't come in so
anyways you're on the bike but you don't
have
you don't have your lead witness
being charged for impersonating when he
pulled her over going down obt
i i can't speak for why who's who was
charging who was interesting
that's really interesting that the lead
person that you're using as a
as a snitch as a informant who was
recruited
no so you said randall a second ago
stephen
wait let me get this straight so stephen
right
randall and who else for what well you
said there's snitches you said there's
multiple snitches
no i didn't say asap who else no
you guys had charges again and that's
recycle yeah and you guys had charges
and randall
no you said it was a second ago you said
randall we were at that escort and
that's
even snitched to viddler who was behind
them now you said randall did
you you might have misspoke that but you
did say random okay well if i did i
apologize
i just want to clear it so you guys can
watch it again yeah
but right so we know that right uh we
almost did it again
recycle i know you almost did it again
told viddler that we were coming and he
told who was on the escort
fine uh so but yet
again recycle's recording me multiple
times
with a phone didn't you just get done
telling me that it's illegal to record
the officers because we're outside
but they didn't know so their privacy
was believed
just like recycle recording me
everywhere and recording phone calls
but yet i'm not aware of any phone calls
really it's all over the internet
really and the po and those videos and
all over the internet came from the
sheriff's office public request
oh i think you're talking about the
videos that he recorded you
speaking and telling him he needed to
lie to the sheriff's office
never yeah ever [ __ ] said that it was
it was raining
let me say it was it was the phone calls
where he was recording when it was
raining he was in his car
driving around and it was raining no
yeah okay then i'm not i'm not familiar
with what you're talking
about there's multiple videos of him
talking and it's being recorded
and then he plays they're playing it on
youtube at the mall
um i don't know where he was i know
where i was i was on the 408
going towards well for somebody who's
very versed well versed in the law
which is you appear to act like not very
well versed
well anytime anybody says well anytime
anybody says anything you rattle off a
statue i mean you don't even get the
whole statue number because we've gone
over this too 970 is pretty broad
there's a lot of paragraphs and
subsections in there
so 970 could mean anything
so but don't listen so i'm gonna i'm
gonna ask you
if somebody because you're saying that
that uh
that recycle was working for us right
and you're saying that he was providing
stuff for us so if he is working for us
in that in that manner like you
described
and we ask him to record you
we can legally do that legally we don't
have to tell you
you don't have to have a warrant you
don't no oh
so i know i know you told other people
that and that's misleading them because
you're trying to get your own story out
there but you don't have to have a
warrant for it
because you're conducting it's called an
investigation so you're conducting
so you don't have to have a warrant
investigation so overlooked the fact
that he went and pulled over a woman and
then made her go back to a car accident
scene i
i have no idea what you're talking about
as far as how [ __ ] convenient of
course
as far as what you're saying it's
amazing how convenient
you guys miss that but you have all the
other video it's kind of like windermere
how all of a sudden that video just just
[ __ ] appeared
all the other videos are over here but
the video of the day
in windermere where it shows that i've
done nothing illegal
oh it's all very clear disappeared it's
very clear no it's video of it
well then why did wyndemere say it
doesn't exist
i'm not sure what you're talking about
but i've seen the video
of what of the purpose of them even
coming in contact with you
so for the purpose of the traffic stop
to begin with
i i like i said i can't answer for them
because i wasn't there
so i don't know what they told you i
don't know what somebody told somebody
not told me
told the court because my lawyers
demanded the video over and over and
they said it doesn't exist
what video are you talking about the
video from my camera
from your camera okay you're saying it
doesn't exist at all
okay so they had that video supposedly
went missing
and you know what sergeant destefano's
video wasn't working
i'm gonna take a wild guess that was
missing but then everything else
it's a wild stab you ready it's a wild
stab here
it's probably like you showing up to
work today without your pellet ball gun
full
without your handcuffs and without what
else uh
your your safety stuff your your
breathing mask
and your gloves no no no maybe that day
you just didn't have your camera on
maybe that's like because you're using
an excuse if you just
rushed out today you could be right yeah
right i don't know
but you're saying you're asking me
something that i have no knowledge of so
video's wait all the videos
so wait wait all the videos wait wait
all the videos because i did see videos
that were on your body camera that they
took off of you that day
i did see those videos no you just told
me you saw the windermere video
you just said that yes i've seen all the
videos that relate to windermere so if
you saw the windermere video then how
come they say it doesn't exist
i'm not sure what video you're talking
about it's a video of me actually in
windermere
i clearly see you in windermere on
escort
okay uh what's your point you just said
you saw the video but windermere says it
doesn't exist but what
you know how many videos there are of
you in windermere that day
no no no you just said i saw the videos
the videos listen it's plural yes
okay because you said your own words
video of me on escort
nobody else nope okay sergeant
distefano's camera wasn't working that
day
and the officer ogletree was on the 50
and he didn't move from that position
until
80 cars went by because in front of the
escort so how did he ever see me on
escort
and then coming into the roundabout okay
so you're saying that nobody saw you
that you're not on camera anywhere
there's no other officers that's shown
and there's no other camera anywhere
on escort yeah there's no other cameras
actually on escort
yes no other cameras no okay
hey listen to me we've i've seen it the
discovery oh
maybe you should look at a little fair
because i i know that there's video i've
seen it
if you say so okay isn't it convenient
that
the sergeant that leaves the sea or the
city turns his body camera off and says
that his battery's dead wait
sergeant leaves the city who's that i
don't know never mind we're talking
about something that's so relevant what
sergeant left what's up so
anyways again wait what sergeant left
what's in it are you saying this stuff
no doesn't work for winner anymore
why am i being arrested for concealed
weapon when it's not it's not it's in
plain view
it's not it is concealed
how we've already discussed that um it's
i
i've told you you you when i told you
you said you're splitting hairs and so i
said well you say this side of the color
or the hair is yours and this is mine so
uh
i'm telling you and the last time i'm
gonna tell you because it's just
a non-debatable thing because you don't
want to talk about it
that right there is concealed because
you cannot tell if that's a real gun or
not
cannot just like if it was in your
pocket you could see the entire outline
you know it's a gun
it's concealed no it's not out in plain
view it's not concealed it is in plain
view according to your the way you
describe it
wait according to the way you describe
it is if you can see
any parts of it then it's not concealed
that's what you're saying according to
florida statute it says as long as it's
in plain view
which clearly it was because sergeant
villar pulled up to me and can clearly
see what is in plain view is a holster
with a weapon in it
that's what's in plain view a holster
with a weapon because it's clearly in
plain view it's
not hidden it's not concealed that is
hidden you cannot tell if that's a
firearm you cannot tell if that's
there you go again just playing the
semantics of i'm a state agent
you're not i didn't say anything about a
cd no i'm just saying that's how you
that's how you do it
yes a weapon plain view on my weapon for
almost six years is this in plain view
yes it is
is this a gun or are less lethal how do
you know
because you're a deputy sheriff wait
because i'm dressed like this
no because you're a deputy because i'm
dressed like this
no so how do you know i'm a deputy
one why you're a deputy sheriff how do
you know that
how do you know that jeremy how do you
know that this looks the exact same as
that right now even close
completely not even completely if you
say so
i'm i'm telling you it looks the exact
same but
so lethal no i don't know that yes you
do
jeremy if i pulled you over today and
you took it out and you showed me is
less lethal
what makes me believe tomorrow is going
to be less lethal
um i can't answer that question that's
right because you could change it the
next day you could change it the hour
after i stopped you
and then i stopped you again and now
it's a real gun listen when you and tom
cruise get the precocks in the room down
the side
then you can go ahead and arrest me for
doing something that's not illegal in
advance
okay well i'm not arresting you so we're
just waiting on sorry midler
that's in plain view it has been for
five years
or well you're saying five years i'm
saying six
but you're saying it's like five well in
2015 you were not wearing those things
and i know this because of 2015 we were
because we didn't have body cameras
you did though and you were very nice to
provide all of them
to the major who then turned them over
to me right and
in in that particular one i watched your
brother
force somebody off the road who got into
the funeral the guy slid
off the road up into somebody's yard
because your brother forced him off
well i'm just telling you it was dylan
it was your brother
hello hey how much uh are you almost
done or
yep yep almost done just finishing up
right now all right yeah because we're
just sitting here bullshitting
oh oh yeah we've been done for a while
waiting on you he
are you bringing the captain to
lieutenant he wants to know
no no why not i already told you
i'll be over there in a minute all right
bye
he said yeah none of them wanted to
speak to you oh okay
so well i tried trying to figure out why
i'm being arrested for carrying a weapon
a self-defense weapon in plain view
there's no trying to figure out listen
it doesn't matter no no but you
understand the difference
between uh like
probable cause right you know what
probable cause is right sure what is it
how will causes to believe that i'm
carrying a weapon concealed
believe that a crime has been committed
correct correct or it's going to be
committed right was i wearing a jacket
wait
was i wearing a jacket officer uh
alexander deputy
alexander no listen
probable cause versus reasonable doubt
right beyond uh uh belief beyond a
reasonable doubt probable cause
belief beyond a reasonable doubt are
they the same no of course not
okay what's the difference between the
two probable cause is just because you
think it's something
right but you so what is your question
then you're saying why i'm being
arrested listen i don't know
no because the gun you used to carry
doesn't look anything like this it's the
exact same one sir
it is not it is well i know it's not
because
windermere took your gun right right so
it can't be the exact same one did you
get it back did what am i gonna give it
back isn't it crazy
wait did they give it back to you that
makes t-40 they
to turn a profit made more
than just one they made
i don't know thousands so that way
multiple people
could buy multiple ones and that's
how they turn a profit so when america
took yours
right you bought another one no you just
said that
you just you're referring to they make a
profit so you bought more
no because we already had him some
because we bought
multiple right so we bought multiple so
we
had multiple because so you took one
from somebody else
no t4e had extra ones yeah
when you got oh no you weren't there so
when you had an extra one that's when
you came to the
office with the warrant yes i was there
okay so then when you went through the
office
why didn't you see that we had multiple
more peppermint weapons
i did see him oh what the [ __ ] you just
said
you just saw that he had multiple
weapons and you know what's funny is
they weren't issued out to anybody
and it was the yellow ones they weren't
issued out
right which tells me that you could have
been carrying one instead of
something looks just like a glock and by
the way those at the office were not the
same as this one it is the exact same
one
they were not they were not it is we
have the t4es we don't have the
pepperball ones
pepperball makes the one that dr phil
was showing and t4e makes the one that
i so the ones at your office
were yellow right yeah yes they were
we had two that were yellow but i don't
know if they were at the office they
were there's only two there without the
office
no there was like five or six no well i
can tell you that
the ones i saw was only those two okay
and we weren't even allowed to take them
i don't know why
it's weird you know we're doing a search
warrant but we couldn't take those
certain things
but again what does that have to do with
me not wearing anything over the weapon
today
reasonable doubt right reasonable doubt
now we're talking about reasonable
probable cause so probable cause
crime is being committed all right wait
listen we have a gun
okay we now have determined that this is
less lethal because we've had to stop
you pull it out to see it
right so you know it's less lethal wait
to see it because we could not see it
and tell that it was left lethal without
pulling it out and examining it
so that's number one concealment right
that's not concealed it's just plain
view no it's not
you even said yourself you pulled it out
you pulled it out and you realized now
that it's less lethal
right it's not even loaded okay which
also leads to the credence that you're
wearing it for a prop
for the purpose of making people believe
something that it's not
literally just got the magic in the mail
but yeah anyways so
again are you going to send that mag
back it's broke
is it yeah this this like almost falls
off when you went out
yeah right broke when they delivered it
yeah well you're not getting this back
so
i'm sure you're gonna get another gun
yeah i'm sure you're gonna get another
gun of course
yeah i have like six more at the office
yeah so any of them yellow
i don't think i have which you know what
i'll probably put the other one on now
so
i would i would yeah that'd be a
smartphone but so here's the thing
it's probably should have done that like
three times ago even after you talked to
dr phil right probably a good idea to do
a challenge that has probable cause
and the actual charge so
you're saying that sergeant middler is
arresting me knowingly
that the problem causes [ __ ] because
you guys both know that it's less legal
we don't know jeremy do you know
do you know that this is a real gun
today how do you know i didn't come to
work with a fake one
how do you know just like you know that
i came to work with how do you know
just like you i don't know that's a
purple ball with the pepper ball
the gun i have seen i carried before
does not look like this
i can show you pictures of the gun that
you've had before and it did not look
like this
the one i took out of your tow truck did
not look like it's the exact same one
no it's not it is it did not look like
this
what are you talking about there was
other features on it like you had the
little knob on the end
back here corporal ramsey exact
same weapons from the same company
from the same vendor the same when
sergeant dylan pulled you over yep okay
the gun there
did not look like this it's the god damn
okay but
there's you've changed features on
haven't changed a thing on it
what's that look like there it's the end
of it same wait that's
it that that magazine is the same well
that magazine's theirs
if i take a toy gun and it has an orange
tip on it
and i take a sharpie and i take the
orange tip and i color it black
is it still the same gun no it is it's
still the same gun that's what you're
saying
it's the same gun but it's a gun it's a
toy but it's been altered
this right here is not the same because
you have changed the magazine to give it
more of the appearance of a real
gun no no you have no well that's what
it looks like
that's what it looks like and i'm
telling you you're asking i don't know
why he pulled you over but you're asking
me and i'm trying to tell you
based on what i see just the two reeves
and and
viddler just happened to be driving down
i-4 and then happen to see
which way are you going come on man no
which way are we going on i-4
i'm trying to be respectful that's
[ __ ] and you [ __ ] know
just like you just asked me how do i
know you're wearing a firearm and not a
fake gun
you don't like because you're a cop and
you're doing your job
and look how you're dressed and i know
first you're dressed where the average
person
thinks you're a police officer so when
you're wearing that
in combination with that an exact duty
belt that a law enforcement officer wear
down to the radios
but we're not talking about
impersonating right now we're talking
about the fact that you're saying i was
carrying a weapon he may be charging me
personally i don't know
how i didn't talk to anyone i don't know
i i you asked me i don't know what
happened there i wasn't there jeremy
jeremy i literally was drive right sorry
riding to work and we saw him come up
next to us
my weapon my pepper ball self-defense
weapon
was in clear view at your weapon
so just like you asked me how do i know
that's not a gun
because just like how do i know you're
wearing a gun you're wearing a gun
because that's who you are
you know for five years you're saying
not six years you're saying five years
you know for five years that i've been i
didn't say five years you're saying that
but go ahead okay you know
for whatever years you're saying that
i've been wearing a pepper ball
and multiple agencies and multiple law
enforcement officers
know that it's preparable so why today
would it not be pepper ball
jeremy i've already told you and you're
not listening so
there's no reason to keep telling you i
wasn't there i didn't make the arrest
you're right okay so i can't tell you
what they saw and what they perceived
but i can tell you from my own personal
belief
that if i pulled up on you and i saw
this today and it looks different from
the last time i saw you i don't know if
that's a real gun or not
right i know that i saw your video as a
clown
imitating uh midler has to do with the
pepper ball
that was way out there guy that was like
nuts i know right it's crazy
so so how do i know let me how do i know
that you're not to the point where
you're going off the deep end and so
you're gonna wear a real gun because i
know i'm not impersonating
okay and personally that i'm gonna prove
that i'm not
in person impersonating what let me ask
you a state agent
no police officer hey did you put your
estate agent did you go to the same
school as viddler where they where they
teach kids what bluish purple is
bluish purple bluish purple because in
the
color blind so i can't tell you no
you're not i know
but i figured since you're going to sit
here and come up with
air defender i wouldn't even tell you
what it what unit is because you
wouldn't even know but
you might because you're pretty well
versed trying to so you can try to fit
in
um in the charging affidavit to the to
the judge
fiddler says that i was using blue
purple lights
to pull people over what's bluish purple
okay um wait what is your point because
you were talking about the clown in the
intersection so
i was just trying to figure out we're
talking about the clown
in the intersection at wallace and
dillard or i'm sorry wallace and dr
phillips were those people at the office
when you did that
were they like freaking out oh no i
imagine they're probably freaking out
like what in the world's going on
actually one woman uh when i was buying
the balloon
she's like you're buying one red balloon
and she actually said while i was at
publix
she's like you're buying one red balloon
she's like do you know how creepy that
is
and i started laughing i said let me
guess you were born in like in the 80s
and she's like yeah
and i was scared of it and i was like
that's funny because i hated that movie
too
and i said but in fact i'm actually
buying this one balloon
for that reason and she thought it was
the funniest thing
but anyways
that was totally weird dude you doing
the whole starbucks thing where jennifer
hands you the cup of coffee it looks
like you're in a
looks like you're in a business yeah
you're pulling up and yeah
starbucks i'm not a cop today and you're
wearing your shirt that says police
viddler
that's weird almost like you're obsessed
with him
i'm obsessed it appears that's what it
seems like it does it does you mean
following me on i-4 to pull me over and
say i'm carrying a weapon and
concealed isn't a little obsessed or i
would not say that's upsetting so then
when the first last time you saw him
under sheriff's last time
well he was
19 at the orange county convention
center so when the undersheriff said he
was
obsessed why did vittler get so angry
that he said that
i have no idea what you're talking about
how convenient
uh you said convenient but i really i'm
not sure i i had no knowledge that the
undersheriff ever said that
i know for a fact he did it but it's
okay well i have no knowledge of that so
and and bitter got really angry but it's
a matthew did billy catch you at a
funeral home
today yeah yeah no when was the last
time you saw midler
i'm sorry was the last time you saw
sergeant midler um
actually i saw him two weeks ago three
weeks ago not
not directly with me but yeah oh so you
were driving by and saw
did he see you he was
oh no he was pointing at me he was on a
motor
[ __ ] what was it that was i'm bad with
memory now one day i did see him and he
pointed at me and that was when
um they were doing presidential moving
around
and they were getting gas that was the
one and the second time was
um oh that wasn't medler sorry that day
at the gas station yeah it wasn't
midline it was another motor deputy
um because he called me and said hey
you'll never guess who i just saw
goodbye
yeah then there's like so it wasn't
better but it's okay you say so
all deputies look alike i guess
then the next time was uh he was making
a traffic stop
on i-4 uh of a tow truck
um that's what he had tow truck stop
but when was the last time you saw him
that he was following you because he's
obsessed with you
i don't know i can't answer that
question but he's driving it unmarked so
i can't tell you
oh you're very familiar with on marx i
don't know how you think
oh because you've made it very clear to
people you say so yeah
uh so there goes your theory but you on
the other hand are very obsessed with
him because you put out videos where you
do nothing but talk about him
not at all or or i only talk about
stephen
casey miller what you got you gotta do
it stephen casey no hey
you know i you're obsessed with him not
at all not at all
what's funny is is uh when you make all
your videos just about them
that that's obsession no not at all and
stephen casey miller i only did two
videos about him
that was it when you when you said he
left when you said he left
uh the state attorney's office because
they were asking to do
illegal things for your case right
that's not true
would you say well i know it's not true
it had
zero i know you put it out there and try
to tell everybody but it has
zero you you spend your story the way
you want because you know probably
nobody's gonna come in and say something
different
uh but it had zero to do with you
i do say so i have people that verified
that as well just like you're saying you
have people that verify
so you have people to give you wrong
information maybe those people very
wrong information maybe some people put
in maybe put
some people put information out there
just to see if
you know the flush out rats or something
i don't know i'm just guessing
maybe so
if you say so because i know somebody
contacted
certain people and they confirmed the
storyline i can tell you stephen miller
did not leave
the state attorney's office because
anything to do with your case
is zero
that's fine so you're calling him a liar
no because i asked him directly i'm
saying if you say so i asked him
directly so i'm telling you and directly
unless you're calling stephen miller a
liar
i asked him directly and i wasn't that
was not the case at all conversations so
i can't wait
and that's what i'm telling you it has
nothing to do with your case zero
that's i there's nothing more i can do
or say about that if you say so but
okay so
hey oh i thought it was
how's everything else going good man
getting old each day that's it one thing
that's changing
heard you live in osceola now
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i need to seize the shirt yeah i'm not
gonna make you take the
pants off yeah you can't when you go
over the jail just take the whole
uniform put all that in properly
they'll give them enough because if
you're gonna take the shirt they're
gonna do the same thing just take the
whole uniform
okay over there at the jail you have
them collected
they'll uh give them an orange suit uh
and then they'll bag that up for you
okay let me do that for you
um yeah i need to take everything why
are you taking my uniform
if i wasn't carrying my weapon concealed
can you hear me i'm listening i i've
explained toby
is this a real gun that's a real gun how
do you know because
you're wearing it because how do you
know today i didn't come to work with a
fake gun it looks like it
yeah well that's that's and that's what
i try to tell him yeah
he he says everything else well you know
i carry a ball
you're right i know you're carrying
peppercorn then you're you're right
all right but when i when i saw you guys
traveling
i didn't even recognize them as you and
and i pulled up i'm like
i look and i see what pulled up next to
me and looked no no no
when i was behind you guys all right
we're working aggressive driving on i-4
okay so if you're driving i-4 next week
just be careful because we're going to
be up on i-4
working aggressive driving when i pull
when i came up on you guys i saw the one
guy didn't have a holster
or a gun in the holster i immediately
looked at it which is now you
i'm like [ __ ] that's a real gun
that's a real [ __ ] gun and i thought
it was literally i'm being honest with
you
i didn't recognize it with you you did
it did not look like jeremy
and i called i called brees and i said
hey get up here i think i got another
metro state guy
carrying a real firearm like randall did
so then why am i not being carrying
getting charged with carrying a weapon
in open
display because after stopping you
and realizing that that is a it's a
weapon it's a chemical
device dispel chemical agent
you're concealing the fact that it's
that it looks like a firearm i'm not
concealing it
so i gained this example if he had that
gun in his pocket
and you could clearly see the outline
that it's a gun it's the shape of a gun
is that concealed because you can tell
it's a gun it's still concealed because
you can't tell if it's a real gun
or a fake gun until after you remove it
and look at it
then you pull it out and it's nothing
more than a wooden gun before i ask
oh but it's concealed that's right just
like this is concealed
but that's not concealed okay i i do not
know
with that sitting in there right now
that that's a pepper ball gun i have no
clue that that's
not the moment but it's in plain view
but it's
you're not allowed to openly carry a
firearm okay so
it's not a firearm i don't know i'm
allowed to openly carry it no no
okay i'm not gonna you're not why am i
not debating i
i can because
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jeremy why isn't it like this see this
this this here
i pull this out you can clearly see it's
it's it's a
less lethal but they make pepper ball
guns
that are blue oh he owns them oh you do
well why aren't you carrying one that's
orange
he says
why then are you saying i was concealing
a weapon because what did i have to do
you all you had to do was ask me
sergeant but why did i have to
if all you had to do was ask me sure all
you had to do is pull me i'm going to
say
sergeant so it's not even you know why
he forgot this one all you had to do was
pull me over and
and i would have been happy to show you
but that's the problem is once you have
to ask
is that a gun in your pocket but
concealed it's not concealed it's in
place
not let me ask you this a little bit i
want to keep this simple okay
if i could tell that it was a pepperball
gun either by the markings it was an
orange gun less lethal like yellow
runner
i would have pulled you over if you say
something no i wouldn't
if you say something i know i wouldn't
sergeant but it's in a clean view
as a weapon that's a firearm right there
so then why am i not going to be charged
with open carrying of a fire because
it's not a firearm
right exactly it's a concealed weapon
how is it concealed here it's in plain b
it's not it's not it is in plain
i don't have it inside my pocket i had
it in plain view on my belt
and i had for five years let me explain
it this way to you and you didn't arrest
me for it before
well i think i did i think i charged you
with it right no
i could seal a weapon inside your tow
truck no oh i did charge you
no no okay well maybe steve
how are you doing stephen okay maybe
he did not put that charge forward yet
but it's pending
but hey jeremy while we're still on body
cam i want to clear a couple things up
with you
because um there's some miscommunication
maybe you people are feeding you
misinformation and i want to clear it up
with you because
the reason i want to clear this up was
because it came out in dylan's
deposition
okay when he went on uh dr phil
i found out that i was starting my own
funeral high school family
i want to know who told you that yeah
i'm not going to tell you that they are
the furthest
from the truth that's not what we have i
have
no desire to start at the university i
have i just invested
i just invested over 750 000 in gunney
trucks
i told you i have a construction company
i've told you that yeah i know you have
a
yeah i have no desire whatsoever
to start a funeral escort company maybe
i was joking with somebody and said
a female escort company because of my
prostitution days when i work vice if
you say something but
i don't know where somebody would tell
you that sorry here we go secondly
i have no i never knew curtis
security before the day they agreed to
come do the interview
and i still don't know curtis security i
don't matter of fact
look it up i wrote their officer's
tickets for doing the same thing i wrote
your guys tickets for
same thing we just went to court they
were found guilty
for the same thing but you didn't arrest
him for impersonating because they
wouldn't even know they're dressed the
same way
no he wasn't just drunk system they're
not they were full duty no no this is
not this guy plus he was in his car
he was impeding the same thing i wrote
your guys tickets for
all right same thing i wrote him
identical same thing
same thing i saw you guys doing the same
thing i saw
i want to clarify that with you i want
to clarify that i have under no
way shape or form anyway
ever want to start with your husband's
family i've told you from the beginning
jeremy
from the beginning you have a great
business concept
so then why i wish you the best if it
was in plain view guys
we weren't speeding i'm gonna tell hold
on let me finish sorry we weren't
speeding we didn't have our lights on
we weren't we weren't changing lanes
aggressively since you're an aggressive
driving unit
in fact i always use my i i'm a stickler
about using my blinker
so at what point in time would an
aggressive driving unit
ever even think that i was doing
something wrong when we're not speeding
we saw you
we're not speeding we're not doing
anything illegal we're not illegally
changing lanes
in fact when you lit us up i turned my
right blinker on didn't i
yeah okay so exactly what
and and where am i impersonating or
where
am i open or are your security company
are you a security company but it
doesn't okay
do you you have anybody that works for
you
and uses your uniform and your
motorcycles to do security work
no okay so would anybody have
uh a need to wear an actual firearm
while working for you they're not
wearing a fireplace that's not right
listen i'm not asking that would anybody
for your company
have a need to wear a firearm
yes or no just yes or no those guys wore
their weapons because they do security
not for me
listen but they have their own duty so
they wear your uniform they wear your
uniforms against randall
no they threw all that [ __ ] out and
they're not [ __ ] a with hole no we
agreed
to do disorderly conduct right we didn't
want to screw
him on his security license right and
then he got away that was nice of me
right that was nice i know and i want
you to put that out there because see
here's the other thing i'm going with
jeremy okay
whatever you believe out there about me
it's fun i don't have any social media
i don't have facebook i don't have
twitter twitter you have multiple people
that are playing you then
but i guess i have multiple people
playing multiple players i'm about to
see too because i don't have
anything i don't have
hey man watch this video watch this
video watch this video
that's what i that's how i get my
information right and
in your videos your your dog and me but
you don't know the whole truth with me
just like you're dogging me and taking
me to jail and you don't know that
that's a that's
not incredible how is it a belly i'm not
carrying it okay we're not going to talk
this will be for your attorneys and for
a jury to do but it's not concealed
how if you're jeremy uh are you wearing
a concealed weapon right now no it's a
firearm
so it's it's a firearm but the fact that
you couldn't tell whether it's
uh uh you're wearing it on your hip so
it's not concealed
i'm wearing mine on my head so it's not
so clear jeremy
if i if this was a pepper ball gun right
now this was a pepper
and not a glock would you know that
that's a peppermint
uh if i was looking at a pepper ball gun
that was made by
eight okay but no no no just in the
holster yours is in the police style
question i don't know you can't answer
that yes or no i asked him the same
thing earlier he goes
well i know you're a deputy so you're
wearing your firearm right
so a normal person i really know for
five years
that i've been wearing their pepper ball
like i said i didn't even know that was
you
and i thought that was a real block
because of the back okay but that back
and my back is identical but then well
this is identified on the website as a
the glock
i thought
that was going on so then sergeant let
me ask you yes you saw that it wasn't a
real firearm
then i'm not openly carrying a firearm
you're not opening the carrier firearm
that's why you're not charged by that a
concealed button because you're
concealing the fact that it is a
pepper ball gun nobody knows it's a
pepper ball nobody's concealed you've
already listened you've already conceded
that the only way he would know is to
stop you
and talk to you and have you remove it
no there's no that's not the only way
the other way because you [ __ ] know
no no
remember remember i knew once you were
on the ground you kept saying it was a
pepper
gun then i realized come on man
you know hey put your mouse back but
anyway jeremy i just wanted to clear up
a couple rumors out there for you
put the mask back on oh you want me to
take this off no no put it back
off at the jail there you go
all right