All right, give me just a moment. Let YouTube connect. Okay, it's connected. All right, so I'm approaching this one a little bit differently. I thought I was going to get through two witnesses today, but it took me more hours than I thought just to get through one witness. So, um, we're going to talk about obviously what's this trial about, but then we're going to look at the specific witness, uh, the EMS, which is, um, she's a paramedic now, but she was an advanced EMT at the time, Marisol Baldwin. We'll be looking at her testimony today. And I wanted to just share what I thought the defense's point was and asking questions to her and then what the state's point was and and their questions they were asking. So, that's how we're kind of going to do this. I'm I'm trying not to jump around too much, but I'm still practicing doing it in chunks on how I want to do it. So, but we'll start first with the actual questions being asked, and then this is a watch along, so I will uh be pausing sometimes. But yeah, so this is more like if you wanted a little bit more in-depth talk about the witnesses when they took the stand and just looking at the trial that way, I'm kind of here for you for that, if that makes sense. But we're just gonna see how this goes because it's the first time I've organized it so thoroughly. So, let's see. All right. All right. First, this may Do you swear the testimony you're not? >> Yes. >> Good morning, Miss Baldwin. Could you please state by your name for the court reporter? >> May Baldwin. It's M A R I S O L B A L D W I N. >> And Miss Baldwin, where are you employed? >> Nashville Fire Department. >> How long have you been with NFD? >> Um, nine years and eight months. >> How are you currently employed with National Fire? >> As a paramedic. >> How long have you been a paramedic? >> Um, about almost two years. >> And what was your employment prior to becoming a medic with National Fire? an advanced EMT. >> And how long were you an EMT? >> Uh, six years and four months. >> Can you explain to the jury what the differences between a medic and an EMT, please? >> Yes. So, the EMT is trained in basic life support and they're also going to be responsible of the ambulance driving to and from calls. Um, they're going to be assisting the paramedic, but they're not responsible for any advanced life support. And were you on duty on February 25th of 2023? >> Yes. >> In what capacity were you working on the 25th? >> I was a working as a advanced EMP. >> And on the 25th, did you respond to an incident located at 1522 Lebanon Pike, apartment 107? >> Yes. >> Is that here in Davidson County? >> Yes. >> Do you recall what type of incident you were initially responding to? >> I believe our CAD system said allergic reaction. [clears throat] And were you in the ambulance? >> Yes. >> Driver. >> All right. So, here's my first little pause point. So, I meant to get y'all oriented before we started, but I know most of y'all are familiar with this. Um, but this is the state of Tennessee versus Bla1 Taylor. He's an exNFL scout for the Tennessee Titans. The date of the incident was February 25th, 2023. His charges that he was facing was two counts of first-degree murder, two counts of felony murder. His victims were Jade Benning and her unborn unborn daughter Ivy. Causes of death for Jade was fatal cocaine poisoning. And for Ivy, it was fetal death resulting from the death of her mother. And we already know they reached a guilty verdict. Okay, so this day one of the trial happened on June 23rd, 2026. And our fir first witness that we do have is Marisol Baldwin. She's the state's witness. Her role um at the time she was, as she said, an advanced EMT and now she's a paramedic for Nashville Fire Department and she did appear on day one. When I go through my notes, I am intentionally wording it how the witness it. So, if I don't I'm not going to say Nea. I'm going to say young woman or young lady because that's how the witness described her because the witnesses don't know the other stuff we know outside of it and we're focusing on the questions that the state and the defense asked them and possibly why did they ask that question like why would it matter to the jury basically. All right. So not going to go through this whole thing yet because we haven't touched all of it but some of the things that the state already brought up is that she was an advanced EMT at the time. She did respond to that call. And that matters to the jury because as the state had her describe, they had her describe her limitations, her actual role she played responding to the call and what she saw with her first hand presence at the emergency scene. And I want to point out one of her limitations that I didn't notice um during the first time I watched it is that she is not a paramedic. So she would not have been checking for the same thing the possibly the paramedic would have checked for. As she said, she could not um give the same level of treatment a paramedic could. So she operated within her limits and her role while she was there on the scene. And then she identified the state had her identified the dispatch call was specifically for an allergic reaction. And why would that matter to the jury? because it excuse me it creates a contrast between the reported emergency which was allergic reaction and then when they got there what they actually saw um all right and then they haven't gotten to when they saw Taylor yet so I'll hold off on that part >> and did you respond to that apartment with lights and sirens? >> Yes. >> Why? >> Yeah, that's our policy. Every call gets lights and sirens. And do you recall what you initially witnessed when you arrived at the apartment complex? >> Um, as we arrived, we [clears throat] were led into the apartment and we found our patient lying in um one of the bedrooms in the apartment. She was lying face down on a comforter. >> Okay. Do you recall who led you to the apartment? >> Yes. >> You're pointing at someone? >> Yes. I'm sorry. >> Did you see a male that day? Yes. Do you see him in the courtroom? >> Yes. >> Can you point him out? [snorts] >> Um, blue suit with white shirt [clears throat] identification, Mr. Taylor. >> Okay. >> Wonder if I can pass two photos. Do you recognize those photos? >> Yes. >> If I could publish the first photo, we have a PowerPoint, so it'll be digital. >> Oh, good. Miss Baldwin, what are we looking at? >> This is the um apartment. As you go in the front door, this is what we saw. >> Okay. And the two females standing on the left, were they there when you arrived? >> No. >> Okay. Um who do you remember Initially when you got to the apartment, >> um, we saw the male there initially. >> Okay. Can you describe to the jury what the male's demeanor was like? >> Um, he he was frantic. Um, but not really giving us any really useful information for us. >> Okay. And what do you mean by that? >> Um, we really had no idea why we were finding her in the state that she was in. So, >> okay. Um, can you describe to the jury what you mean by that? Not >> I will say um this states witness and it's no it's no insult to um the advanced EMT, but one thing I did notice throughout this testimony is that the prosecution, they do have to draw more details out of her. There's some witnesses you have to stop them. They're talking too much. This one she would stay very vague and general with her words almost like not on purpose of like trying to but it's I think she thought we would see how she saw it in her head or not we but the jury would see how she saw it in her head so that the states constantly pulling out okay can you can you expound upon that can you describe what you mean by that what you know what I mean so that's what you'll see a lot with uh with Marisol um she's just not like all the witnesses I've seen in some other things. I'm telling a lot of the ones I've seen, you got to tell them. Hey, hold on, hold on. That question wasn't asked. [laughter] Okay. >> Her in the state was >> um we were expecting to see signs of an allergic reaction. Um and we didn't see any hives on Miss Benning. We didn't see any swelling. Um, we didn't have any answers to our questions that we were asking. >> What were you asking? >> Um, if she was allergic to anything because it did come in as an allergic reaction and all he was saying was she ate bad food. >> Was he able to give you any other information about generally about who she was and her health history? >> Not that I recall. >> Okay. And when you got to the apartment, was that scene considered safe? >> Initially, yes. But um we didn't really have our firefighters there yet. And with uncooperative family or bystanders, we deemed it um unsafe. >> Okay. Um what do you mean by uncooperative family members? Um the male there was kind of getting in our working space and we couldn't properly assess and treat the patient. >> Okay. What do you mean by that? That he was getting in your working space. >> He he wasn't letting us do our job. He was in our face just trying I don't know what he was trying to do but we were trying to get her on our stretcher. Wasn't following the commands that we were asking him. >> Okay. All right. So, all right. Where do we stop at? All right. So, they get there. Taylor leads or shows the responders uh where the apartment is. And why does this matter to the jury? It places Taylor at the scene and it begins the state's focus on his conduct during the actual emergency. And then, uh, Baldwin, who's on the stand now, is saying she found Jade face. Oh, wait. We didn't get that far. Sorry, we didn't get that far. I was going to skip to and I might go ahead and point it out because of him interfering. Let me see. There was one of I wanted to point out one about him interfering. Okay, I'll wait because it must be further down then. Never mind. See? Oops. >> And what commands were you asking him? We usually don't want family in in our working space. So, we were probably telling him to step aside. >> And where did you find the patient? >> We found her in the bedroom to the right um of this kitchen. She was on the bed. She It looked like a comforter that she was on and she was face down. >> And is that second photo that you have? >> Yes. Is that what we're looking at right here? >> Yes. >> And can you describe to the jury how she was laying on the bed? >> Um, she was laying horizontal, so not how you would typically sleep where the pillows are. She was towards the end of the bed and she was on her face face down. >> Um, and at some point did you roll Miss Benning over? >> Yes. >> Okay. And can you describe to the jury what you saw when you rolled this over? >> We rolled her over and we um immediately noticed that she was unresponsive. She didn't um respond to us flipping her over on her back and we noticed that she had some kind of fluid around her mouth. >> Okay. Um was that fluid any particular color? Do you recall? >> It was um like a light pink in color. We've already kind of touched on this, but based on your experience, did it appear Miss Benning was suffering from an allergic reaction? >> Not fully. That that wasn't um we were definitely trying to cross off multiple things that it could be, but it wasn't a typical response that we would see for an allergic reaction. >> Was Miss Bing live? >> Yes. And the missing have a pulse >> at what time would um >> I don't personally remember checking it. >> Would that have been something that the medic did? >> Yes. >> And at any point did the male in the apartment try to touch Miss Benning? >> Yes. >> Okay. Can you describe to the jury what happened? Um, so our firefighters were pulling their truck into the parking lot, so they were a little bit behind us, but we couldn't physically carry her, my partner and I. And he he took it upon himself to do it, and we don't allow help from outside agency, like from our people, and he attempted to do that. So that's what I meant, that he wasn't listening to our commands. Um and then he eventually placed her um on the floor right in front of the island. >> Okay. Can you tell the can you kind of describe to the jury where he >> So right in front of the island um just in that empty space that's where he put her and then when our firefighters got there then we all lifted her and put her on our stretcher. >> And then what did you do at the standing? >> We will her to the ambulance. >> Okay, that's a good stopping point. All right, one second. Uhoh. Okay. All right. So, we stopped at he led them to the apartment. Then this is where Baldwin said she found Jade face down on the comforter, lying more sideways than up and down like you normally lay on the bed. And she was face down. And why does this matter to the jury? It gives the jury a mental image of Jade's condition when they arrived. And then um Taylor, she she says the the one on the stand, Marisol Bowwin says Taylor was frantic. That's the word she used was frantic but did not provide useful medical information beyond bad food. He just kept saying bad food and they're sitting there trying to rule out things. Um, this supports the state's argument that his explanation did not match the seriousness or nature of the emergency or I'll say the suggestion or inference that this does not match how serious this emergency was. The way he was um he was acting or the bad food part cuz frantic could mean it's an open-ended word. So frantic had she said he was calm and stuff like that. I would more see about him not at all treating it like it's an emergency, but frantic does give me more than just he seems nonchalant nonchalant about it. Um, the next thing was that Baldwin said she did not see the normal things of what they would see for an allergic reaction, which is why they kept to me trying to cross off other things it could be. But, um, she said for her she expected to see hives and swelling and things like that. It wasn't typical for someone saying, "I think uh she's having an allergic reaction," which is what the 911 call um Taylor had said on the 911 call. And what this helps with the state and tells the jury is it'll it kind of undermines Taylor's explanation that Jay was having an allergic reaction and it supports the state's poisoning theory. And then we have Taylor getting in the EMS's workspace and allegedly interfering with assessment and treatment. Obviously, this is very important because if it's it's already a very crucial emergency, the the EMS they get there and they're thinking this is way more than an allergic reaction. It's something else. And so this helps support the state's argument that Taylor's behavior obstructed patient care or at minimum appeared suspicious. And again, I'm going say implication, too, because they're not really saying these exact words, but they're implying it at this time that we've gotten to this first witness and after their opening statements. And then, uh, Marisol says she did see Jade was unresponsive. She had the light pink fluid around her mouth, and that matches the state's opening argument about pink fluid/vomit and possible poisoning evidence. Let me check and make sure. Oh, okay. Um, the other thing was as the fire department was coming, Taylor was I Taylor was trying to touch and definitely move Jade despite as she said their commands. I wish she would have been asked what exact commands do you remember saying? Like I know it's obvious, but I still wanted to hear her say like we told him do not touch her. This is not safe. You need to clear the area. whatever they commanded him, I would I just wanted to know what were your commands to him. But why this mattered for the state to point it out? It it supports the state's focus on Taylor's conduct during the emergency. And it definitely for that it does not look good if that's how you're you're you're not helping. You are not helping. They already have the firefighters coming. That's already their thing. This is their routine. You don't need to be touching and moving. And it's not helping them. again. I don't know if there if when the second EMS testifies, I hope they're going to call her, but I don't know if she had a chance to check the pulse because he kept interfering and they couldn't keep her still enough to check for a pulse while they were still in the house. And that's why they only could establish he didn't have a pulse once she got into the ambulance. Um, and I also Oh, there's something else I wanted to say about that him interfering. There was one other thing. It was Oh, because the defense's opening argument was very much focused on they did not perform CPR in the in the house, but maybe they couldn't perform CPR in the house because they didn't get a chance to establish if she had a she had a pulse or not because their client was interfering and obstructing them to be able to check that so they then could form CPR or perform CPR, which is what again the defense was leaning heavily on. If it's such an emergency, why didn't EMS already perform CPR? So that was the other thing I wanted to point out about why it's important for the state to point out at what how was he acting, what was he doing because I'm thinking that's going to lead to they couldn't get there to CPR at first. He's a I don't know what size the other EMS person is, but they are supposed to clear the area during emergencies before they start giving care. Um, obviously there's times you might they might maybe go outside of that, but I do see most times I've seen instructions for first responders is you got to ensure the safety of yourself and that way you can help the victim so y'all both don't get injured and things like that. So I I when she said we had to clear the area first, I feel like he did not let them truly officially uh clear the area. I don't know yet if it would be considered messing with evidence because she at that time was not considered um unalived or poisoned to death and stuff like that. So I don't think that that's more of right now it's just a very much in the way person that's related to family member bystander whatever like she said she called them an uncooperative bystander that I think that's all that might be right now but I am going to say this in case you just now run across me Ebony knows Ebony already knows this but just in case you're listening to me I have no legal background I have a interest in these things and I hope to one day have a legal background but I do not have one. So, but yeah, I for me my personal opinion would be that's not messing with evidence yet just because he was interfering and it's bad and it looks bad when you start looking at the whole picture especially. Um cuz some family gets get in the way but they mean well but for him it doesn't look like he meant well. So that's that's where I am as far as my opinion goes on that one. Um let's see here. All right. So that's where we are so far. So, let's go back. >> At any point, do you recall someone else showing up? >> Yes, a a young lady. >> And what do you recall about that young lady? >> She was hysterical. She was crying, asking us questions, trying to get inside the ambulance, looking in the windows. >> And was this much different than the male's demeanor? >> Yes. >> Okay. Also, >> she was crying. She kept asking us if is she gonna be okay? Is she going to be okay? What's going on? >> At any point did you see Mr. Taylor crying? >> Not not that I saw. >> At any point did Mr. Taylor ask you if she was going to be okay? >> Not that I can remember. >> And once you got Miss Benning into the ambulance, what happened after that? >> Um, so she was put on the cardiac monitor. pads put on her. She had no pulls. We were doing compressions. We were um doing a procedure where we stick an airway and breathe for her. Um starting IVs, giving EPI, lots of things simultaneously happening. >> And at what point did you transport this fitting? Um once uh my partner she she said she was ready and we took firefighters with us and then um I think it was after 10 minutes of being there total time. All right. Before she goes to the next thing which she Omar you said did she have tears which she um and then to go back to All right. Oh no we're not there yet. Never mind. Well actually I'm going to skip down here. So, the state is asking about what treatment they provided once they got into the ambulance and Marisol said um they had her on the cardiac monitor. They were able to establish she did not have a pulse. They did do compressions. They uh had a they used a device to help breathe for her. They started IV, gave her epi because again they were told it was possibly allergy related. That's why they answered the call and then they transport transported her to the hospital. And why does that matter to the jury? It shows the severity of Jay's condition and establishes the life-saving measures EMS took before she reached the hospital. Again, this is very important because if you did get um to see the defense's opening argument, they it really really matters about them making it seem like there was no emergency for him to get riled up for yet. because if it was, they would have already been performing CPR. That's where that's where the defense was headed. And Bowwin was asked, did she have a pulse when she was actually in the house? And Bowwin said she didn't recall uh checking for Jay's pulse herself. Okay. And we're going to go back. >> And did Mr. Taylor ever attempt to get in the ambulance with Miss Benning? Not that I recall. >> And where did you take Miss Penny? >> Vanderbilt Adult ER. >> And did you transport Miss Benning behind some sirens? >> Yes. >> Okay. Why so? >> She was critical. >> What do you mean by that? >> Cardiac arrest is deemed critical. >> And at any point um did Miss Benning ever have a pulse? Not that I can remember with us. >> And once you got to Vanderbilt with Miss Benning, is that when you released care and that's when Vanderbilt took over? >> Yes. >> Give me one minute. >> All right. I'm just going to skip to make sure um it's not dead error. >> Andrea, >> um it's Rose now. I believe it was Bwin at the or I'm sorry, Agal at the time. >> At this time, I would like to exhibit 1 A and 1B, please. And I'll pass. Miss Paul, did I get that right? >> Good morning. How are you? >> Good morning. >> All right. And I will address this because I skipped over it at first, but she did at one point say that another young woman arrived that was hysterical. that was crying. We're later obviously you'd find out that that would be Jay's best friend, Nija. Um and and she was asking if Jade would be okay and she was trying to get in the ambulance with Jade. And why would this matter to the state? One reason could be it creates a behavioral contrast between the young woman because the Marisol doesn't know who the young woman is and then Taylor how he was acting when they arrived at the scene. Yeah, I believe he did know what he did. I definitely do. Definitely definitely do. Okay. And then we are going to look at the cross examination next on why they brought up certain things and why did it why does it matter to them to point these things out to the jury. So we'll start listening to cross now. >> My name is Edward Jointer. I'm going to be asking you a few questions. If at any time you don't understand, please let me know and I'll try to rephrase. I want to just make sure I understood your role on that day. You were acting in what capacity? >> I was an EMT at the time. >> And one of the duties you described for uh EMT basic was basic life saving me. You said >> correct. >> And to be clear, you were the driver that day. >> Correct. And so when you arrived there, you said you were led into the apartment. >> Yes. >> Who was you led by? >> Um male that was on scene. >> All right. Before we keep going, Mindy says, "So he didn't even tell them that she was pregnant. Just a total lack of concern for her and the baby." Yes. And that is a great point that I feel like cuz I haven't watched the head that I've only watched her and then I'mma watch I think Andrea comes up next later. I'mma watch that then we'll come back and watch it together. But I feel like the prosecution will hammer that home at some point that he didn't even identify allergic reaction or not whatever whatever that she was pregnant. He never told he didn't tell the first responders that at all. He never mentioned that about her condition as far as how she's testifying. Okay. Now, I want to go ahead and go to Cross because they already brought up a couple points here. So, one of the things that Cross just brought up or the defense just brought up in Cross was they established Baldwin was an EMT driver at the time, not the paramedic leading the advanced care. Because you hear him saying basic basic. He's trying to keep that pointed out. and why it might matter to the jury or for him to point out to the jury. It defines Oh, hold on y'all. Sorry. It defines the limits of her role and expertise. This matters because the jury should separate her observations from medical opinions better suited for the paramedic or later experts. So, they're going to they're going to want to her side not to be taken as serious as if a paramedic said it. That's what I think. Like I think I think that's where they would go if they're trying to help their client. And I'm not saying it's serious. He's still a professional, but she wouldn't have been able to observe the same things and have the same training as the paramedic. I'll put it that way. And then the defense just clarified. You said he led you because, you know, obviously she said he was uncooperative. He was in the way. All he kept saying was the food the food or she ate some food and that he it was it was painting a picture that he was not helping them get to the victim or help the victim. So defense is trying to come back in with well you said he led you to Jade and what they're trying to support is their argument that Taylor was simply helping EMS locate Jade not interfering with them doing their jobs. Taylor. >> Yes. >> So, he assisted he helped you all find the apartment. >> Um, I believe when we saw the hallway, he like popped out of the apartment, but I can't exactly recall if he led us or but he was there and said, "This is the the apartment." >> Is there a reason why you said he let us if you didn't feel he let you? >> He showed us the apartment >> and that's a system, correct? >> Telling us. Yes, that's telling us where the apartment is. >> Okay. >> And once you got into the apartment, one second. Can I see ex? Now, these people that are in this photo, they were not there helping you, were they? >> No. >> Were they there when you got there? >> No. >> Do you know who these people are? >> No. >> Is this the entryway when you first come into the apartment? >> Yes. And I'm going to now show you what states exhibit 1B. Was this the bedroom where you found Miss Bennett? >> Yes. >> And I want to orientate you to this window over here. Was that window shade up when you entered the apartment? >> I can't recall >> because you all didn't take these photos, did you? >> No. I didn't put this in my notes, but I wonder if he's asking about things moved around, window shade up, because later they say that Naa and another girl went in there and touched things, moved things around, took things out of the apartment. So I wonder if he's setting that up to say when the EMS was there that wasn't like that and then later it's going to look like that because of who else went to the scene defense said after it was already identified as a crime scene. So >> So I want to talk to you a little bit about you said that you received the call as an allergic reaction. Okay. Correct. Do you know what if any medical training Mr. Bla1 Taylor has? >> I do not. >> And so if he described it as a allergic reaction, that was what he thought maybe was going on. Correct. >> Correct. >> And you would agree with me that when you came into the apartment, you did see something around her mouth area when you checked her out. >> She did have something around her mouth. >> And >> before he goes on, okay, that's another pattern I'm starting to see. defense likes to use that word not just in this trial, but I've heard them say that in other trials. Would you agree or you would agree with me by saying blank blank blank? All right. So, he brought up, let's see here, that uh he clarifies that Taylor did help her find the apartment because prosecution in their opening statement said he didn't even know her address. And I I think that was for the 911 call part, but he does bring up Taylor helps them locate the apartment. So, he's out there to meet them being helpful. I'm air quoting some things. Um I know y'all can't see me right now. Um but again, they're trying to support their argument that he was assisting, not interfering, and cuz that's kind of all they have right now. And then let's see, she couldn't recall exact details of if how he led her, how he led them into the apartment or um I think I I can't even do my own note when he popped out of the apartment. Um but it highlights the limitations in Bowwin's memory is what I think the defense is trying to get at. So maybe they'll attack her memory later to say it's maybe this did happen or maybe this did happen, but she just can't recall. Doesn't mean that that's that that occurred or didn't occur just because she can't recall. All right. Let me see. May have Okay. And then he asked about um whether [clears throat] Taylor described the situation as an allergic reaction based on what he would think was happening and was an allergic reaction. And um it offers an innocent explanation for Taylor's initial description and I'm also going to say his initial behavior if the defense can convince the jury that he really did think it was an allergic reaction but not a life-threatening allergic reaction. Because allergic reactions can also, you know, they can they are life-threatening depending on the severity and everything. But I think they're just trying to get back to he handled it at the level of what he thought the urgency was. Their client, that's their arguing. That's what they're trying to get the jury to think. Let's see. And I don't think he got to the part about the stretcher yet. So, I'll wait on that. >> She had consumed something >> possibly, I guess. Okay. And so when you first arrived, you said that you and your partner was there. Uh that partner male or female? >> Female. >> And when you all came into the apartment, did you all have a treasure? >> We had it, but it was in the hallway if I can remember correctly. >> Okay. And at some point after you made all medical observations, you were made the determination to take Miss Benning to [clears throat] get medical attention. Correct. >> And you were going to do that by placing her on what? >> On her stretcher. >> And when you first came to the scene, you stated that she did not have a pulse. >> I stated that I did not check her for >> And did you perform CPR? >> Not when >> in the ambulance. I did personally, >> but not in the house. >> Not in the house. >> Did your partner perform CPR? >> No. So, neither one of you all performed CPR when you all first got to the hospital. >> That's correct. >> At some point, you all was going to transport Miss Benny. Correct. >> Correct. >> And you stated that it was Mr. Taylor who tried to assist you all in moving Miss Benny from the bedroom to the kitchen. >> Okay. So, you see how he's framing that. It's not that Taylor's in the way. is that Taylor saw y'all had a physical limitation and he knew you had to transport her. So, he's trying to get her out there quicker for y'all since you can't carry her. That's how he's framing it. But that does not help. He needed to stay away, especially if they're already making it clear, do not move her, do not touch her. In fact, we probably would have had again a clear understanding if she had a poster not in that house had he not been in the way. But when you're not listening to EMS commands, you are not helping at all. But that's how his defense is trying to frame it. That's a good question. Jacqueline said, "I'm still wondering why he allowed her to be face down on the bed." It goes to the other part of it, right? Like the he called his dad before he called 911 based on the opening uh opening statements. He he has her laying face down, which is not going to help breathing. Even if you think it's an allergic reaction, that's you're blocking someone that could probably breathe better. Why is she face down? Why are you allowing her to be that way? I'm sure that the instructions he received from dispatch was not lay her or let her stay face down. Um, so no, that's a good question [clears throat] because he's supposed to be so caring and and all the things that his defense attorney is trying to make him out to be, but that's basics. Like I know if it's somebody I care about and they're face down and even if it's just an allergic reaction, I need to make sure you're still breathing because I don't know the I don't know how severe your allergies are. I need to make sure you didn't swell up in your airways. You can't get no air in your airways anymore. So, no. Really good question, Jacqueline. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Because the goal was to get Miss Benny on the stretcher. >> Correct. >> And once you put on the stretcher, give it to EMS services. >> Correct. you would agree with me that that is consistent with someone that's trying to assist you. >> I wish you had have taken longer to answer this question because that is not in my opinion that is not assistance. That is pure interference. If they are clear and commanding you not to do this, that is no longer assistance. If you did it out of ignorance and they're not giving you commands, maybe you can think you're helping. But if they're telling you no and they're the trained professionals, no. If I'm on the jury, I don't care if she still agrees. I'm going to think that is not him providing assistance. >> Correct. One second. >> Miss, you've been EMT for nine years now. >> EMT and paramedic. Both in the nine years. >> Okay. And have you ever had an occasion where you showed up to the scene and you had to render CPR? >> Yes. >> Uh sometimes that's not uncommon depending on the situation. Correct. >> Okay. >> And can you just educate this jury as to what are some instances where you would immediately perform CPR when you come upon a patient? >> Um can you I'm sorry. Can you ask that again? >> Sure. Can you educate the jury on what are some medical scenarios >> that you will perform CPR immediately upon arriving to a patient? >> Um, if a patient is pulseless, we would start CPR until we can get the cardiac monitor on them. >> Okay. And is a pulse something you check upon reaching a patient? >> Yes. >> But just to be clear, you didn't perform CPR when you immediately came upon Miss Benditch. >> Correct. question. >> All right. So, right now, what that defense attorney did again is he is bolstering the opening argument about it wasn't considered an emergency yet because if it was, they would have been performing CPR. So, therefore, since you said you would perform CPR if someone didn't have a post and you didn't perform CPR in the house, then I'm going to deduce they still had a post. So that's that's where her or his defense is going. Where I'm going to still lean on and hopefully prosecution leans back on it when they talk to the other paramedic that's going to hopefully take the stand. I think she takes the stand next. I have to go look and see. But hopefully they reinforce the fact that could you check her post with how the scene was when you arrived? Was anyone or anything preventing you from nor checking a post as you would normally do on your job when you arrive to a scene like that? Like I hope they lean on that um when they get to that part. But she again said she didn't check for one. She to me also kind of indicated it although she could check for one, maybe she, you know, expected the paramedic to check on it. Is is both of them there? I don't know. I don't know. We'll see where the gaps get filled when the when the other uh when the other EMS person testifies, but he's really leaning on that because the woman, the defense attorney that was the woman, she was very very adamant about no CPR had to be performed at the time in the house. Jade was not in critical condition yet. All this stuff. So, you can't sit there and say my client wasn't acting at the level of maybe what a critical emergency is. Stuff like that. That's I'm That's what I feel like she's implying on the last part. I said, but the first part that's what she actually said. Okay. And then let's go over here and make sure I have any other notes for the crossexamination. Let's see. Okay. He wanted to ask or he made a point to ask about if she knew those people that were in the apartment in the photo or if she had seen them when she actually arrived from the dispatch call. And she said no. And one thing that could be important for the defense to point out could be that it um limits Baldwin's testimony to the people she personally saw when EMS arrived. So there's and also to me sets a timeline of when the other people were there. Now those people had gloves on and since I haven't looked ahead, I'm going to say possibly those were the people that comes and takes photos of the crime scene later on, you know. So I don't know who those people were, but they had gloves on like they were they should be there. they were part of doing their official duties, but they just weren't there at the time she arrived, which makes sense because at the time Jay had not been declared as um not alive anymore. They hadn't done that yet. That happened later at the hospital. I I believe um they were still performing life-saving measures in the ambulance. Okay, let me see. We have again that he tried to help move Jade toward the stretcher, but that's a I'm gonna say that's a stretch that he tried to move her toward the stretcher. I'm gonna I'm really thinking that man was just in the way on purpose. Let's see. Again, they harped on no CPR was performed in the apartment. That was very important for them. And he and you saw he asked when would it normally begin? And asking that question, it'll support their argument for the condition that Jay uh was found in may not have appeared immediately life-threatening, which could make Taylor's reaction seem more understandable. Okay. And then that's where we stop with this with this testimony. It's just her. We'll do the next one another time, but this helps me stay organized. And my specific goal is to stay within the scope of the witnesses and also think why did you call this witness? What did what advantage did you think this witness was going to give you? What are you pointing out while you're asking this witness questions? Because what do you need the jury to understand in order for you to win your side? So that's why I'm doing it this way because I really do want to because we already know the general part. It's already that's that's done. He's guilty. He's getting he's I think he's been sentenced at this point, but I just want to see the jury can only see this much from the witnesses and I just want to see how they were trying to volley their questions and and everything like that to get the jury to be on their way, their side of thinking, you know. So, that's where that's where we are with this because obviously you could have already watched ahead or you might be watching it with me and this is the way I wanted to watch it. But that's it for now. Oh, you're good, Jacqueline. I'm ending. So, you got it's I'm sorry you got another storm coming, but it's perfect timing. This is this is the end for this one. I have to go back and watch the next witness. I'm doing it. I'm not going to say I'm always going to do it one witness at a time, but it may be because this the notes were noting, but all right. Um, hey Anra. Hey Ashley J. Mindy said, I'm with you trending. I think it was more like he was killing time to ensure she lost the baby. Right. Unfortunately, his stupidity caused both of them to pass. Yep. That's where I am, Mindy, because I I still stand by. I don't think he was trying to kill her, but I do believe he was trying to terminate that pregnancy against her will. That's where I am. So, yeah, I'm the same. I'm still with that one. But for him, either way, he would have had a felony had it been discovered he was doing that and Jay lived. It just would have been one count instead of two counts. But yeah, I'm with you on what he was actually trying to do. All right, so I will see y'all again. Well, I'll see y'all tomorrow for body cam and we'll play it by ear with the witnesses and following this trial. But thank y'all for coming to listen to my thoughts and I'll see y'all soon. All right, bye.