Hello, ma'am. >> Hello. >> I'm Officer Leonard Metro. We're just wondering what you were doing here. >> I don't answer questions. >> I love this woman. She follows the law of the Doctor Judge channel. She's clearly a Doctor Judge follower. She's obviously read my book. Let's see if she's encountered a cop that's going to follow the law or if she's encountered a bully. >> Okay, why not? >> I have a right not to. >> She says, "I don't answer questions." He says, "Why not?" Because of the Constitution. I'm a Doctor Judge follower because I don't have to answer questions. I can't believe there's cops that have still not heard that. I mean, I know I'm the I don't answer questions guy, but I think every cop should have heard that by now. >> You do. Let me explain a few things, okay? I'm a police officer. Okay. This is my area. This is my zone. I'm here all the time, okay? >> of this. >> Yes. And I'm here in this particular parking lot quite often, and I just don't usually see a Jeep here. And I was just wondering what you do cuz we it's weird to me there's just a Jeep here that's usually not here. That's why I'm making contact with you. >> I'm not >> doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about. >> obligated to help you with your investigation. >> I love her. >> You are obligated to talk to me as a police officer. >> I don't I'm not so sure about that, Officer Leonard. You're obligated to talk to me as a police officer, he says. That is clearly not the law. She's not obligated to help you in your investigation. What you've just called weird is not reasonable articulable suspicion of a criminal offense. On the force, it's what we used to call a belly hunch. Now, this is close to home. I may bump into this officer in court sometime, and he's probably going to be mad at me for this video, but you know what? It's a teaching moment. That's all I'm going to say. Watch this video. >> Okay. I have the right to ask you simple questions, yes? >> Yes, you do. >> What are you doing here? >> I have a right to refuse to answer them. >> Okay. Then I have a right to ask for your ID. >> No. >> What reason? >> Because you're refusing to cooperate with me. >> So, refusing to ID means she's refusing to cooperate with you, which means you can ID her? That's not the law, officer. Refusing to identify yourself without reasonable articulable suspicion of a criminal offense just means she's a YouTuber. She knows the law. You don't have the right to demand her ID because she won't cooperate with you. >> So, you want to do something punitive to me? You want to punish me? >> I just want to figure out who you are and >> You're doing this on video, right? You just told me that. >> Nope. >> You said because I didn't want to do what you wanted, that that's what you were going to punish me. >> I did not. Those are your words, not mine. >> No, that's exactly what happened. >> You know, this goes a lot easier if we just are nice with each other. >> It would be. >> It goes a lot easier if we're nice with each other. So, then tell me what you are doing here. >> It's none of your business. >> Here you go. >> It really is not. >> See, I wouldn't say it's none of your business. That's not the same as saying I don't answer questions without a lawyer. When you say it's none of your business, it's a little bit antagonistic and it makes them push back. But, if you say I don't answer questions, it's something's going to click inside here in a minute. She has the right not to >> answer questions. >> Of course I have the right to ask questions. She has the right not to answer the questions. And I think I remember somewhere in the academy them telling me that she doesn't have to help me in my investigation. Maybe I saw that on that Dr. Judge channel. I'm not sure. Was it the academy or was it YouTube? You know what? This officer would do well by remembering the academy and watching some YouTube. And I think this one, unfortunately, is going to make him look a little bit, well, I'm not going to say. I'll let you decide how it makes him look. Watch this video. >> It's like in the law. >> Okay. >> Now, you can do your investigation, but I'm not going to aid you in it. Period. >> Period. >> Thank you. >> But, you do understand that because you're here, I have no idea who you are and why you're here. >> need to. >> I have the right to detain you. >> private property. Well, detained is same as arrested, so what am I arrested for? >> Detained just means you can't leave. >> Basically. >> Nope. >> It is. >> You don't go in handcuffs when you're detained. >> What am I detained for? >> Yes, you can go in handcuffs when you're detained. In fact, a lot of times when you're detained, you go in handcuffs. Come on, officer. >> Well, then let me see your driver's license. >> No. >> For what cause? >> Cuz I don't >> Because you don't I don't answer your question. >> Because I have a reason >> want my driver's license? >> I have a reason to believe that you are here where you're not supposed to be here. >> What? >> called reasonable suspicion. >> What's the reason? Articulate it. >> Because I'm in a parking lot. >> Yes. And you are normally not here. >> private parking lot and harass people. >> Right. >> That's not what I'm doing. >> That's exactly what you're doing. >> That's exactly what you're doing. >> You're building cuz you're not getting your way. >> I'm not pouting. >> So, you're going for my ID like a >> I ask for anyone's ID I come in contact with. >> You only got to sit down. >> Okay. Can you step out of the car for me? >> For what? >> You're not going to be placing handcuffs, but you are being detained. >> You're not going to be placed in handcuffs, but you are being detained. Let's see if he lives up to that. >> Step out of the car, okay? >> For what? >> Step out of the car. >> You're not going to arrest me, so why do you want me out of the >> I need you to get out of the car. >> For what reason? >> a conversation. >> Please get your supervisor. >> Good. We'll have a conversation. >> We need to talk to your supervisor. >> can make that happen. >> Get your supervisor. Please call your supervisor. >> I will do that once you hand me your ID. I'll make that deal with you. >> Please call your supervisor. I don't care about your investigation. I'm sitting here trying to be in a parking lot. >> Mhm. >> And you're ruining it. >> I'm not. Have I told you anything wrong? Have I told you anything bad? Have I said anything >> Yeah. >> Everything that's bad has happened from your words, not mine. >> No, everything that's bad has happened from your words. >> Is he with her? >> Yeah. >> Hey, sir. I'm Officer Leonard. Me and my partner are wearing body cameras. Look, she's being extremely difficult with me. I'm just trying to have a conversation with her, okay? >> If you're a Doctor Judge follower and you've been accused of being difficult with a police officer, comment below. Maybe send me the video because cooperating with the police is different when you're a Doctor Judge follower than it is when you're the average citizen who doesn't know what to do. This lady knows exactly what to do and exactly what to say. She was well within her rights to do what she did. I don't believe that he had the right to arrest her or to identify her. Now, he's going to push back. Let's see how hard he pushes. >> I think you're Look, let me just tell you why we're here. This is my area, okay? There's usually not a car park here. And I just wanted to speak with her and figure out what she was here, why she's here. That's all it's about. She's refusing to answer my questions. >> I'm here every night, midnight or 1:00. >> Okay, do you clean the building? >> No, I'm here to pick this up and this right here and carry it to Knoxville. >> Okay. >> Every night. >> Okay. >> this for 5 years. >> Okay. So, we've learned a little bit more about this couple. He's here every night between midnight and 1:00. He picks up something and he takes it to Knoxville. He's got a key card that lets him enter and that should be the end of the investigation. >> I have no reason to believe that you're not telling me the truth. Okay, all I need >> I have no reason to believe that you're not telling me the truth. But, she's kind of pissed me off and I kind of want to push back cuz I want to see your ID and I want her to know who's boss. That's it. Hey, listen, Officer Leonard, I support the police. I think you made a mistake here. I just think that you need to watch a little more YouTube. Now, understand from my point of view, just being >> [clears throat] >> being the zone officer, I'm here all the time. I normally don't see a car park here. It was just a little bit weird. That's called what we call reasonable suspicion in my job. Okay? When I have that, I have the right to talk to people. I'll ask them questions, figure out what's going on. And as long as everything checks out, we all go on our way. That's all this is. You do. You are wrong. You do. As a police officer, [snorts] I have that authority. Did you hear that? He said, "As a police officer, I have that authority." Officer, where is that the law anywhere in the nation? I mean, in this nation, in America, where is that the law that you have the authority to make her answer your questions? Come on. >> Anything you want, but I'm not obliged to tell you anything. >> That's true. Okay. Do you have your ID on you? >> He's going to push. >> Okay. Sir, do you know who she is? Is she with you? >> Please do not >> Okay. I'm going to hang on to this until I get hers. So, as soon as she gives me her ID, the sooner we can all be on our way. >> He's going to hang on to the guy's ID until she caves and gives me hers. So, now that guy has been illegally detained and unlawfully held against his will while this guy waits for this woman to come to her senses and give up her ID. I know there are some officers out there that will justify this. Well, if you do, tell me what it was. I mean, if you can articulate enough, you might get there. He's not there, in my opinion. Just wait, it's going to escalate more. He's absolutely going to hold this other guy hostage until she caves or until he identifies her some other way. >> What's your suspicion now? So, he's explained everything to you. So, what are your suspicions about him? >> As a police [snorts] officer, when I'm on a call and I have reasonable suspicion, I have the right to ID everyone I'm talking to. Let me explain everything and stop interrupting me. >> Unless you charge me with a separate crime, you cannot get me for failure to ID because it's none of your business. >> Right. Okay. >> The longer you interrupt me, the longer we're going to be here. All right? >> Don't talk to me like I'm a child. >> Don't talk to me like I'm a child. >> 100% your ego. >> It's not. >> This is all your ego. >> Can you verify that? Ma'am, you understand that it's my policy of my department to identify anybody I come into contact with. >> I care about law. >> So, policy follows law. >> No, policy doesn't follow law and law is not the same as policy. You're not obligated to follow your departmental policy. You might have a departmental policy that says you have to identify everybody you come into contact with. That doesn't trump the Constitution. It doesn't mean that everybody that you come into contact with has to give you their ID. And you say, well, if they don't give me the ID, then and follow [clears throat] my policy. Yeah? You can still follow your policy with people who are willing to ID themselves. They have to be willing and consent to the ID or you have to have reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime, which you don't have here. >> Our department's policies >> Which follows the state laws. >> I go by the law. And the law is I don't have to ID to you. Your policy doesn't mean >> Ma'am, you do understand that if you refuse to ID yourself, I have to take you to jail. >> If you want to to arrest me for a separate crime, you can arrest me that as a secondary charge, but it's not a charge in itself. >> There's no charge initially. We're just having a encounter with you just to see what's going on. And if you would just give me your ID, I could ID you and get and get you out of here. Not yet, cuz you haven't given me your ID. >> I have asked over and over for a supervisor. >> twice. You've asked me twice. >> over and over. Will you call supervisor? >> We'll call one in just a minute, okay? >> Now, you should call one now. That's another departmental policy. He doesn't have to by law get a supervisor on the scene. She's asked for one. He really should do that for her. If his sergeant is 10-8, which means in service, he should get the sergeant over there. The sergeant needs to be on the scene of this if he's going to push it any further. Especially if he's going to push it to the point of arrest. Do you agree? Prove me wrong. >> I need to get your ID. We can be fine if I can get your ID. That's all it is. >> What's what crime are you going to charge me with? >> We've I've already gone over this with you twice and my partner here just explained it to you. You're here on private property. >> State of Tennessee, I do not have to give you my ID unless I'm charged with a separate crime. >> That's not true. >> It is true. >> You're being detained for reasonable suspicion, which means you do have to give me your ID. >> You are correct, Officer Leonard, but you got to have the RAS in the beginning to begin with. I could argue a situation where it would at least be plausible that he had reasonable articulable suspicion of a criminal offense, but he hasn't laid it out for this girl. He's not quite sure himself. Otherwise, he would have put hands on her already, and she'd be in the back of his car. The next part is where he actually calls his supervisor, and I want you to pay close attention here. This is where you're going to either hear the reasonable articulable suspicion or realize that he doesn't have it. So, when he calls the sergeant, he's going to need to tell the sergeant everything that he's thinking [music] so that the sergeant will agree with him that he's entitled to ID this lady. Listen to this description. >> Okay. Um basically, I was patrolling Airport Center, Royal Parkway, just doing extra patrols, and I saw across the street in 801 Royal, there's a Jeep just kind of hanging out in the parking lot of this like office building that I don't normally see. So, I rolled up on it, initiated 40 Paul Victor, start talking. There's a woman in the driver seat. I ask her what she's do Identify, you know, do the greeting, tell her I'm recording. She tells me she doesn't have to answer any of my questions. >> Right off the bat. >> I tell her she does. I ask her why she's being here. She's just staring at me, starts recording me. Um basically, she's just being very resistant to my questions, which was just to figure out why she's here. While we're talking, a guy comes out of the building. He says he has a key to the building, shows me it works. It does. I get him ID. He gives me his ID right away. He's got no history. Um she's basically just saying that because I mean, I have reasonable suspicion that she's here doing something cuz there's normally not here. >> What is it? >> I don't ever see this car here. >> That's it? I don't ever see this car here? That's all you got? Really? Come on, I can do better than that, and I'm not even there. >> I tell her I'm explaining that because I have reasonable suspicion I have the right to request her ID, and she's like, "No, you don't. You only have the right to ID me if you charge me with a like a separate charge or something like that." She has no idea what she's talking about. >> She has no idea what she's talking about. Now, raise your hand in the comment section if you think this lady is oblivious, and she has no idea what she's talking about. And then raise your other hand if you think she's a Dr. Judge follower and she knows the law. >> The thing is about trespass waivers is he's saying that he's saying that they're supposed like they're supposed to be here and get the check, which if that's true, I mean, he showed me he does have a check in his hand. It's in an envelope and he he does have a key to the building. So, what he's saying is true. So, I can't I can't even think I don't think I can even get him for trespassing, but I had no idea what it was when I got here. And the reason >> Why would we be talking about trespass waivers? >> Right. Right. He only has one moving violation in his entire history. I'm going to try TLOing him and see if I can get cuz he's saying No. No. >> At this point, 20 minutes into this stop, and you haven't concluded that they're not criminals yet? >> He's just being very very difficult. And I've asked her, I'm like, why, you know, why are they being difficult? Like, are you a sovereign citizen? And then she took that offensively. She didn't know what a sovereign citizen was. Um and just it's just weird. >> When you use that language and you try to call somebody a sovereign citizen, you're being derogatory because you think sovereign citizens are stupid. She's not a sovereign citizen, she's a constitutionalist. If I were on the scene, I would have said all the things she said. I mean, I would have done it a little bit different. I'm not a sovereign citizen and nor is she. So, you're about to ID her. Let's see what he does with that. >> Wanted. That's all it is is a different Harrison. So, we've got her ID'd. I'm going to call Sergeant back. No reason. Yeah. But, she's still refusing to give me her ID, which is still a chargeable offense. >> No, it's not. Don't go there. Officer, please don't make that mistake. >> Can you apologize? >> I have no reason to apologize. >> Can you admit you were wrong that I didn't have to give you my ID? >> I need you to understand that when a police officer has reasonable suspicion, the law states we have the we have the right to ID people. >> No, you don't. >> We do. Here's what I encourage you to do, okay? I I already have. I've asked you for your ID at least 10 times. And you've you've refused every time. >> Well, >> So, >> you punitively detain me. >> That's not That's not That's not punitive. So, I encourage you to look up the statute about that >> you to >> whenever you leave. >> You're the one that's supposed to know. >> And I do know. >> Then you're either lying to me or you're ignorant to it. >> Okay. >> You choose which one looks worse. >> believe whatever you want to believe. That's fine. I'm not going to tell you otherwise. >> Bye, everybody. >> Well, you're entitled to freely leave. >> Thank you. >> Okay, that's good. When he says you're free to leave, she turns around and says, "Thank you." and gets in her car, which is good. She doesn't continue to argue with him. This one was a really great area. I don't think in the beginning he had the reasonable or articulable suspicion of a criminal offense to ID her. And once he talked his way through it, I think he learned more as he went along, which made it less reasonable that he needed to ID her. The longer he investigated, the less reasonable it was that he suspected her of a crime. What do you think? >> So, just tell her she can leave and then if she just leaves and let him know where she is. >> You'll be you'll be famous on YouTube. >> Yeah, I know. >> So, he tells his sergeant he left his buddy said, "You'll be famous on YouTube tomorrow." I'm sorry, Officer Leonard. In this interaction, it was really close. On this occasion, you see a a car parked there. I can understand why you would make contact with them. I just don't understand why you would push them to the point of identifying themselves when you learned she was waiting on somebody that really legitimately had a key. The longer you were there, the less reasonable it became for you to ID her. What do you think though? Comment below and take up for Officer Leonard. I'm going to probably bump into him at court. He's either going to appreciate this video or not. I don't know. He probably won't appreciate this video. If you're open to it, Officer Leonard, let's come on the show. Talk to me about what you had in your mind and why you wanted to ID her so bad. And if that lady is watching, I don't know her name, I would love to have her on the show cuz I would like to hear why she pushed so hard not to ID herself. I get that you got the Constitution and you're a Dr. Judge follower, maybe. Maybe you are, I don't know. Maybe you watch this channel all the time. But if you do, you should go to my shop, drjudgeshop.com, and pick you up some merch that says, "I don't answer questions." There's a hat that says it. There's a t-shirt that says it. You got one that says, "I plead the fifth." And that way you can just point to it every time he asks you a question. If the officer wants to come on and tell his side of what he was suspecting, I'd love to have either of you on the show. And make sure you like, share, and subscribe with somebody that drives a car. Anybody that you know that drives a car needs to follow this channel and read my book. If you like this video, you're going to love that one.