I I've not even done anything. What are you doing? >> I have to put hands on you. So, what's going to happen right now is either you're going to get out of the car or I'm going to put hands on you, take you out of this car. >> Wait, hold on one second. Wait. Now, you know I'm hugely back the blue. What is the deal? I love you guys. >> I've been backing you guys forever. I know so many people in the police department. What is the deal? What is the deal? >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. Here's the deal. Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> Here's the deal. >> What is the deal? >> Let me ask you a question. If you hugely back the blue and do charity events for cops like this lady, >> now you know I'm hugely back the blue. We ride in all these like charity events for you guys. >> They won't start harassing you and unnecessarily threatening you at one of those routine traffic stops, will they? >> I just want to talk to you outside the car real quick. >> Why do you want to do that? >> I just want to talk to you outside of the car. >> I'm actually fine. >> Like I said, I just want to talk to you outside. It's not the end of the world. No, no, no. I'm giving you a cordial I'm giving you an order so that we can have a cordial conversation. So, you need to exit the vehicle right now. Okay. I not exiting the vehicle. >> So, you need to exit the vehicle. Otherwise, you're going to be obstructing and I can place you under arrest. You need to exit the vehicle and talk to me. >> I'm not exiting the vehicle. >> If you don't exit the vehicle, I'm going to open your vehicle, take you out, and place you under arrest. >> I don't think you can do that. >> I can legally do that. There's no way this cop is going to escalate things on a thin blue line supporter. I mean, he's there to protect and serve himself. Before we get started, does it make sense to arrest somebody for resisting arrest? Well, that's what's about to happen to Miss Hugely Back the Blue. She doesn't think it's going to happen to her, but it's going to happen. >> Hello, I'm Officer Alvin with Chris Lake Police. reason I'm stopping tonight. When you were over at Dole uh at the four-way stop sign, >> you stopped, your whole vehicle was in the crosswalk. >> Um >> I think you're right. >> So, and then when you turned on the Lakeshore, you actually straddling both the oncoming lane in this. Is everything all right tonight or >> you know, I've lived here for so many years. I I got bad habits. >> Okay. Do you have a proof of insurance with you as well? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. I There goes right there for >> Yeah. You know, I'm not going to >> Okay, >> I totally get it. >> You heading home tonight or? >> Yeah, I live over there on the west end. >> Where you coming? Where are you coming from? >> Um, where am I coming from? Well, I've been to like a couple places. My girlfriend had abandoned Wakanda. Let's see if this one is correct. >> Okay, give me a couple minutes. I'll be right back with you. Okay. Any luck? You know, that's really weird because I'm like, where the heck is it? >> That's so weird. I'm like so habit forming. I'm like, where is it? >> You know, like I put in my photos and everything and like now I don't even see it cuz I never get I never do anything. >> Fair enough. Here. Do you mind you I don't want you to drop any of this stuff in there. I just want to talk to you outside the car real quick. >> Why do you want to do that? >> Uh just cuz just with all of your driving and stuff and some of the things I'm seeing, I just want to make sure you're okay. I just want to talk to you outside of the car. I'm actually fine. >> Well, yeah. I need I just like I said, >> I don't see anything that you that I've done. I mean, I I kind of admit I'm local and I I usually just kind of just I did stop at the Dole. >> So, the reason I'm The reason I'm asking >> at the Dole thing. >> So, when you stopped over at Dole in Woodstock, >> you were all in or was it? Yes, Dole and Woodstock. You were all the way in the intersection. >> Okay. >> Well, I'm always, you know, I ride a motorcycle. Fair enough. But then when you're coming up and you're driving in two lanes and then when I'm hitting the lights. >> Yeah. When you turn onto this street, you were straddling both lanes. >> No, I wasn't. >> Yes, you were. I was right behind you. >> I don't think >> so. Like I said, I just want to talk to you outside. It's not the end of the world. >> No, no, no. I'm giving you a cordial I'm giving you an order so that we can have a cordial conversation. >> An order? >> Yes. I'm giving you a lawful order that you need to step out of the car. >> What I'm saying is when you're on a traffic stop, I have the right to ask you to step out of the car to talk. I haven't been on a traffic stop at like correct. I don't even know. >> What I'm explaining to you is yes, it's Pennsylvania versus Mims is a Supreme Court case law that says on any traffic stop, I have the right as a police officer as long as I have you lawfully detained, which I do on two moving violations to ask you to step out of the car to talk to. >> What are the moving violations? >> It's Pennsylvania versus Mims is a Supreme Court case law. If you're a cop and you rely on and you believe in and you enforce Pennsylvania versus Mims, which is not an enforcable thing, you should be embarrassed and ashamed of yourself. You're a freaking pansy. >> Improperly in usage and improper term >> and an oath violator because there is the fourth amendment that trumps Pennsylvania versus Mims, even though cops think the exact opposite. The right to keep people secure in their person is far and away more important than Pennsylvania versus Mims could ever be. >> On a GoPro, >> it's on a dash cam and on my body cam. Do >> you mind if I see it? >> No, because my body my body and dash cam are still there. >> So, you need to exit the vehicle right now. Okay. >> I not exiting the vehicle unless you show me what I did wrong. >> Okay. So, you need to exit the vehicle otherwise you're going to be obstructing and I can place you under arrest. Would you please mind showing me what I did wrong first? Cuz I'd like to see >> I cannot I cannot stop recording right now. >> What are you talking about? >> My dash cam, my body cam recording. In order to be able to show it to you, I would have to turn that off. >> I'd like to see what I did wrong because I don't really think I did anything wrong. >> Yes, but >> she already admitted that she did something wrong. This is why you don't talk to cops and this is why you don't admit wrongdoing. So, this is where we're at right now is you need to exit the vehicle and talk to me about >> I'm not exiting the vehicle. >> Okay. If you don't exit the vehicle, I'm going to open your vehicle, take you out, and place you under arrest. >> I don't think you can do that. >> I can legally do that. You'd be instructed because I've given you a lawful because I'm telling you because I'm seeing things that could be indicative of impairment. >> Well, I'd like to see what you're talking about because I don't see any reason. >> Stop at the stop sign. >> So, so come talk to me outside of the car and we can I can explain it to you. Okay. No, I don't like this. >> Now, you know, I'm hugely back the blue. We ride in all these like charity events for you guys. And I'm like, I don't understand because number one, I've been living here for I don't know 40 years. It's just I told you it's like a bad habit that I just like drive because I know where I'm going. >> So, so what do we have here? We have another back the blue till it happens to you poster child. >> Why are you so apprehensive about just having a conversation with me outside of your vehicle? >> I'm not apprehensive about it. I think I know my rights. >> No, it's actually not your right. Uh you have the right to you have the right to remain silent. You have many rights, but the right to sit in your car after I've lawfully told you you have to get out. >> In other words, you don't have the right to be secure in your property. He's basically saying, "You don't have that Fourth Amendment right you thought you had. Well, you don't have it anymore because we have the Supreme Court and Pennsylvania versus Mims and Terry v. Ohio." If you commit a driving infraction and the cop pulls you over and you're having a conversation with him, which is not advisable, is it logical for him to tell you to step out of the car to have a conversation when you're already having a conversation? I'm giving you an order so that we can have a cordial conversation. Why are you so apprehensive about just having a conversation with me outside of your vehicle? >> And is it right for him to start treating you as having committed a capital crime if you desire to stay in your car and have a conversation on your terms cuz that's what's happening here. They're treating her as a criminal because she won't step out of the car after they told her to. >> You're telling me, but you're not willing to show me the evidence. How can I show you the evidence if you're still sitting in the car? >> How about you show me the evidence first and then I'd be willing to get out of my car? >> How you going to show her the evidence with her standing outside of her car? >> That's not going to happen. So, you need to exit the car, otherwise we're going to take you out. >> How about we call your sergeant? >> Okay. >> All right. >> 31 from 301. Uh, my driver's asking for you. >> How about we call somebody who's even more stupid and tyrannical than you are? >> Okay. >> No, no, no. I'm I'm saying that's my dad driver. >> I'm saying that's to my dad. >> No, on stop signs I don't put my feet down, which I admit on my Harley. >> I'm >> She admitted it again. >> Just used to that. And so I just when I'm in my little car, I kind of do the same thing. I totally admit that. >> Right. And he's >> But I didn't even roll through the stop sign. I stopped at the stop sign. I don't know what he's talking about. Like >> So you I don't know what he's talking about. So I want to see what he's talking about. >> I can explain to you. So when we're at Woodstock and >> I want to see the evidence cuz I don't know what you're talking about. >> That's my sergeant's coming down. I'm going to tell you. So my sergeant's coming down. I'm going to tell you right now. We're not going to stop my body cam or my dash cam to show you the evidence. >> Okay. >> I saw it with my own eyes. That's why I waited for you to go because you were sitting in the middle of the intersection. >> I don't know what you're talking about. The middle of the intersection. You stop. So stop. So stop. >> I'm at a stoplight. So I'm at a stop light at Dole. You didn't stop lights on until after I was after Dole. And I'm like, "What? I don't know what's happening." >> Yes. So, there was a stop sign. >> Well, if you didn't like the stop sign, why didn't you pull me over after the stop sign? >> Cuz I still have to run your plate. I like to know who I'm stopping before I turn my lights on. >> What's going on, >> ma'am? So, like, like you said, you didn't have anything to drink. He's just covering our baselines with with that. So, >> 40 years. I love you guys. >> I've been backing you guys forever. I know so many people in the police department. What is the deal? >> I >> I've been backing you guys forever. What is the deal? Well, here's the deal, ma'am. >> Here's the deal. >> Well, here's the deal. >> Here's here's the deal, man. >> Cops don't care about anybody else but the Thin Blue Line Gang. That's what the deal is. >> Like, >> I've never heard of something like this where I'm >> like stopping at the stop sign >> because of the driving infractions. They're just consistent with somebody. >> There's no driving infractions. >> And if there were driving infractions, just give her the citation and let her go on her way. But you guys are just sitting here extending this stop, harassing her, and threatening her. >> Yes, there was. Additionally, you're fumbling with all of your documents. You're slurring your speech. >> I can't find my >> She's not slurring her speech. She fumbled with her documents cuz everybody fumbles with their documents. Nobody knows where their registration or their proof of insurance is. Takes a little while for him to get that. >> I'm like, where the heck is I usually put my insurance card like, >> okay, this is what happens. >> Let Let me ask you this. Would you would you even just submit to a breathalyzed? >> No, I will not do anything because I don't know why you're even stopping me. You're not even telling me. >> Stop. Okay, my sergeant. So, I'm I'm trying to tell you, but you're not listening. >> Seriously. So when I pulled you over, >> I pulled you over for that one and then I follow one. You're not >> the stop sign that that we've been talking to the Dana Dolewood. >> But you didn't even pull me over after that. You pulled over. >> That's when I hit my dash cam and then we kept going and then as we were coming down. >> No, you didn't even pull me over till after the stop light that Dolan 14. Correct. Cuz I was still running your plate, I was still following you. And then when it was a safe location to make a stop, that's why I stopped you here. You weren't even following me. You came on a turn after that. At the stop sign. You're flashing your lights at me to turn >> to keep going. Yes. Because I was getting behind. >> I'm waiting for you. I'm at the stop sign and you're I'm like, why are you not turning? >> Because you stopped in the So the stop line on the stop sign, right? You were all the way in the intersection. >> It's called enttrapment. If that's what you're talking about. That's >> Have you noticed that cops love to nitpick because they really, really want to get you on something? So, they can be super specific about what they're getting you for, but they can't be super specific and they somehow tend to forget the words of the fourth amendment or the first amendment or the second amendment and the oath that they took to uphold all that. >> He's talking about cuz I'm sitting at the stop sign waiting for the car to turn. Then he starts following me. >> I just blow >> Karen. Here's the thing. >> Look, my name's Dave. Okay. >> What? >> My name's Dave. You can call me Dave. >> All right, >> that's fine. >> But here's the thing. >> You're on a traffic stop. >> You're on a traffic stop right now. Officer How is the one in charge of the traffic stop. He's giving you a lawful order, which we are allowed to do, for you to exit the vehicle so we can continue his investigation. In other words, you're on this traffic stop. It's this officer's traffic stop. He's in charge. You don't have rights. You need to just come out of your car and comply. >> You refuse to do that. You will be arrested for obstructing an officer. >> I'm not obstructing an officer by not exiting my vehicle. >> Yes, you are. He has given you a lawful order to exit the vehicle. >> I know my rights. I do not have to exit the vehicle because I know for a fact that I've done nothing wrong. Take your seat belt. >> Karen, >> please please cooperate. >> So >> do that for me, please. >> Why do you want me to exit the vehicle? >> So he can continue his investigation. >> What investigation? >> I I've not even done anything. >> What are you doing, >> Karen? >> Oh man. You do have a body cam on, right? Yes, I do. We all do. >> So I'm going to give you Karen. Is there anything I can do or say to make you exit this vehicle before you get arrested and I have to put hands on you? >> I'm seeking. I'm seeking. Okay, take a moment. So, what's going to happen right now is either you're going to get out of the car and we're going to continue our conversation in back or I'm going to put hands on you, take you out of this car, tow your car after you get arrested and taken to Crystal Lake. >> Imagine somebody saying that to your mother or your sister or your aunt. A man saying, "If you don't do what I tell you to do, I'm going to put my hands on you." And it doesn't make it right that this guy has a uniform and a badge. >> But you need to come up with a reason why you'd be doing this to me. >> Because you're fumbling with items. You are slurring your speech. You >> I'm not slurring my speech. This is how >> I've never met you before, but that's what it appears to me. >> Oh my god, you're cracking me up. >> So So I want to make sure that you're not impaired. I >> He's a liar. He's a liar. >> I want to do a couple of things to make sure you're not impaired. >> But Karen, this is this is the last opportunity I'm going to give you before I arrest you for obstructing. You understand? >> That's fine. >> So, just step out of the car. Let's make this easy. >> And >> I'm not stepping out of the car. >> Okay, then you're under arrest. >> For what? Well, can I have my Wait, hold on one second. Wait. Come out of the car. >> All right. Well, we give me one second. >> You were under arrest. Get out of the car. >> Well, can I get my purse and my phone? >> Nope. We'll get it for you. You're under arrest. You got Just get my phone to my purse. Okay, Karen. Okay, turn around. Put your hands behind your back. >> Oh, this is fun. You guys crack me off. >> All I'm going to do is get out of the car. That's it. We're going to go to the passenger side. >> Going to do it. >> The reason was so you don't get arrested and so we could have a civil conversation. >> The reason I wanted you to get out of the car is so you don't get arrested and so we can have a conversation. Those were the two reasons he gave to give the order for her to get out of the car. Does that make any sense to you? >> What? Okay. Well, we had a civil conversation when I was in my car. >> Exactly. >> Exactly. >> Was charged with multiple driving infractions and resisting arrest. >> She was charged with multiple driving infractions and resisting arrest. How can you arrest somebody for resisting arrest? Hopefully, from this day forward, Karen will think twice before she backs the blue. Leave your thoughts about this for the world and the global thought police in the comments section below. 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